I know very little about consoles. I have a question. Do some console games require a internet connection to activat or to play a game.
One more question. How does earlier XBox games, or for that matter Playstation work with the latest consoles?
Quote from: renobe on May 10, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
I know very little about consoles. I have a question. Do some console games require a internet connection to activat or to play a game.
One more question. How does earlier XBox games, or for that matter Playstation work with the latest consoles?
Not aware of any games that require a connection to run...EXCEPT the older ones. You can run most XBox games on a 360, but it will need to add some compatibility files from online. It doesn't require XBox Live Gold, just a free Silver membership. Not sure about the PS3 and back compatibility.
On the XBox, many Arcade games you download from the XBox Live Marketplace require an internet connection when you want to play them.
Regular / Full-price titles don't require an internet connection, but many profit from a connection or get advanced features.
One example is the Need for Speed series. You can play the single player all by yourself, but if you are connected to the internet, your friends' faces are prominently displayed on walls and near jump platforms all over the city when they set a record there, or their names and high scores appear next to speed cameras. It's very funny to crash through a billboard with your friend's face on it and beat his record, for afterwards, your face will be displayed in his game :P
Other single player games, like Dark Souls, can also be played offline, but if you are connected to the internet, other players can leave messages in your game (which can be hints, or decoys, or simply expressing their despair...) or can be summoned into your game (or you into theirs) to assist you in boss fights. Never a must, but very nice to have.
If you can go without these additional features, there is no requirement to connect your XBox to the internet, all single player games will run and be playable. You will only miss a patch or update here and there, because the XBox checks for updates when you launch a game.
Regarding older games - the XBox 360 is not per se backward compatible to the XBox 1. But you can play many older games on the XBox 360 by downloading a special compatibility file from XBox Live (you have to be online to download this compatibility file, but afterwards, you can play the game offline I think). Which games are playable and which are not is entirely in the hands of Microsoft; they offer the patch only for a certain selection of older games. There are lists of compatible games in the internet, though.
Since I made this post over a month ago I have kearned that the new Xbox console will have DRM. A internet connection will be required.
I started to research consoles and order to buy them to get away from DRM, and os that no longer supported older games on PCs.
So much for that idea.
Buy a Xbox 360 (lots of games) or wait what Sony will say about DRM at the E3 tomorrow.
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 09, 2013, 03:53:03 AM
Buy a Xbox 360 (lots of games) or wait what Sony will say about DRM at the E3 tomorrow.
Sony will go the same rout. I will not buy a console with DRM. I will stick with the pc even if that requires me to learn how to build my own computer. I Have the installation disks for both Win 98 & XP.
We don't know yet what Sony is going to tell us tomorrow but they confirmed already there's no need for the PS4 to be online (other than to get updates, patches). The Xbox 360 has no DRM either, so this is still an option.
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 09, 2013, 12:20:08 PM
We don't know yet what Sony is going to tell us tomorrow but they confirmed already there's no need for the PS4 to be online (other than to get updates, patches). The Xbox 360 has DRM either, so this is still an option.
This is not correct. Ypu will have to go online daily Here is the article by NBC News.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/microsoft-clarifies-policies-game-licensing-privacy-drm-xbox-one-6C10240845
Sure it's correct...The XBOX ONE must be online once a day, not the Xbox 360 or the PS4...
We'll see. If Sony doesn't come right out during their E3 presser today and say "You don't need to be online and you can play used games." it probably means two things :
1. They are horrible at marketing
2. You do have to be online and can't play used games.
So we'll see.
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Pretty much. A few good games on display, but their complete lack of any attempt to swing their press around was a massive miss. Also, $499 in the US, 499 Euros in Europe and 429 Pounds in the UK...seriously?
If Sony can't come away with a win competing with THAT, they're incompetent.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Pretty much. A few good games on display, but their complete lack of any attempt to swing their press around was a massive miss. Also, $499 in the US, 499 Euros in Europe and 429 Pounds in the UK...seriously?
If Sony can't come away with a win competing with THAT, they're incompetent.
Is that going to be the normal price for it, or is that just for a special day one version? If that is the normal price, that is going to be tough for me to buy since I only play a handful of sports games on it. Can't see spending $500.
What's the verdict on the PS4? Did Sony spill the beans yet?
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 10, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
What's the verdict on the PS4? Did Sony spill the beans yet?
Their presser doesn't start for at least another...20 minutes yet.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Pretty much. A few good games on display, but their complete lack of any attempt to swing their press around was a massive miss. Also, $499 in the US, 499 Euros in Europe and 429 Pounds in the UK...seriously?
If Sony can't come away with a win competing with THAT, they're incompetent.
Is that going to be the normal price for it, or is that just for a special day one version? If that is the normal price, that is going to be tough for me to buy since I only play a handful of sports games on it. Can't see spending $500.
Yep, that's the price.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 10, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
What's the verdict on the PS4? Did Sony spill the beans yet?
Their presser doesn't start for at least another...20 minutes yet.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Pretty much. A few good games on display, but their complete lack of any attempt to swing their press around was a massive miss. Also, $499 in the US, 499 Euros in Europe and 429 Pounds in the UK...seriously?
If Sony can't come away with a win competing with THAT, they're incompetent.
Is that going to be the normal price for it, or is that just for a special day one version? If that is the normal price, that is going to be tough for me to buy since I only play a handful of sports games on it. Can't see spending $500.
Yep, that's the price.
Wow....it will be a sad day when I can't play madden:(
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2013, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 10, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
What's the verdict on the PS4? Did Sony spill the beans yet?
Their presser doesn't start for at least another...20 minutes yet.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Pretty much. A few good games on display, but their complete lack of any attempt to swing their press around was a massive miss. Also, $499 in the US, 499 Euros in Europe and 429 Pounds in the UK...seriously?
If Sony can't come away with a win competing with THAT, they're incompetent.
Is that going to be the normal price for it, or is that just for a special day one version? If that is the normal price, that is going to be tough for me to buy since I only play a handful of sports games on it. Can't see spending $500.
Yep, that's the price.
Wow....it will be a sad day when I can't play madden:(
Especially Madden with the all new True Step Locomotion and Player Sense systems! Seriously, every damn game in the EA Sports lineup had cute little buzzwords for new tech. It was incredibly obnoxious.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2013, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: Staggerwing on June 10, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
What's the verdict on the PS4? Did Sony spill the beans yet?
Their presser doesn't start for at least another...20 minutes yet.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 10, 2013, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 10, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
The MS Press Conference was complete fail btw...
Pretty much. A few good games on display, but their complete lack of any attempt to swing their press around was a massive miss. Also, $499 in the US, 499 Euros in Europe and 429 Pounds in the UK...seriously?
If Sony can't come away with a win competing with THAT, they're incompetent.
Is that going to be the normal price for it, or is that just for a special day one version? If that is the normal price, that is going to be tough for me to buy since I only play a handful of sports games on it. Can't see spending $500.
Yep, that's the price.
Wow....it will be a sad day when I can't play madden:(
Especially Madden with the all new True Step Locomotion and Player Sense systems! Seriously, every damn game in the EA Sports lineup had cute little buzzwords for new tech. It was incredibly obnoxious.
I wonder if any of there new buzzwords translates into a more realistic experience:)
Well, it's official. PS4 allows used games. No online authentication. No restrictions on trading with friends. Nothing like that at all. They did announce that Playstation Plus is now a paid service, but I don't see that being an issue so long as the money is pumped back in to the system.
I'll put the over/under on Microsoft announcing some changes to their DRM/online/used plans at about 2 weeks.
And the PS4 is $399. Unfortunately, it's also followed the MS lead and made it 399 Euros and 329 Pounds. So again, this seems very North America centered.
Wasn't Playstation Plus always a paid service? But online gaming was free - so is this the same now? You can play for free but get a few goodies if you pay?
I'm a little confused too. PS + was always a pay service but if all you were interested in was playing multiplayer online with friends you could do that for free.
Does this mean the PS4 is following XBOX Live and making you pay to play multiplayer online games? Even if that is true however I'm beginning to think PS4 is the way to go. From what little I have heard the PS4 does not spy on you like the XBOX One does and now you can play used games or share your games with friends so that's a great thing.
EDIT: Forgot to mention about the pricing scheme that both Sony and MS are taking with the new consoles. Yes it does sound like the systems are targeting North America and shafting the rest of the world. I'm thinking they are going to take a loss on systems sold in North America but will make up some of the difference by taking it from the rest of the world. It's a cheap trick and I'm surprised they think they can get away with that.
Quote from: Grimnirsson on June 10, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Sure it's correct...The XBOX ONE must be online once a day, not the Xbox 360 or the PS4...
Sorry. I guess I showed my ignorance about consoles which initiated the starting of this thread by me. I thought that XBOX ONE was a newer version of XBox 360. I wonder though if game developers will abandon XBox for XBOX ONE .
Xbox 360 will have support for some time, expect some great games in the future while you enjoy all the fantastic ones already available :)
When I read this review and got to the part that mentions the THUNDEROUS ROAR of the crowd when Sony announced you can play used games or let friends borrow your games without paying any fees I almost cried tears of joy. Sony has won back the hardcore console gamer in me!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/11/ps4-vs-xbox-one-e3-2013
EDIT: Will Sony deliver the death blow to MS the way they did to the Sega Saturn? I really hope so because those bastards at MS need to learn a lesson about greed and what it gets you.
If MS does not change their policies they are out...the PS4 will rule and I will support it (thanks MS, I really was an Xbox fanboy)
"Francis" the disappointed Xbox fanboy sums it up pretty well (love that guy :) )
A few thoughts after a day to reflect.
You will see some changes in MS policies, but they won't be as far-reaching as you might expect...because in a lot of ways, the two systems aren't actually that different.
Sony promised that all first party titles will work used, be trade-able and have no online authentication. BUT, it's up to individual third party publishers to decide what their games will allow. And that's actually the same way the used games and lending policies work on the XBox One. And I don't think these two aspects will end up being as problematic as many are expecting simply because few third party publishers want to be known as the guys who require that sort of nonsense.
Where I suspect you WILL see a big change in MS policies is in regards to game authentication. Currently, your Xbox One needs to run an online check once every 24 hours. If it can't, some games might be locked out until it can do so again. I would expect this to be drastically altered. If that ends up happening, the two systems are virtually identical in terms of user rights. The only other real difference is that the new XBox will install games to the hard drive like a PC, while the PS4 won't require that (again, it's up to the publisher if it runs from disc or not).
The new Playstation Online fees are in regards to multiplayer access. Basically, PS Online is now essentially the same as XBox Live Gold. You can still access updates and the like for free, same as with XBL Silver. But MP and access to services like Netflix require a paid membership. And both services will now include free older games as part of the paid service.
So now you're down to price points. I wouldn't be surprised to see MS start building up new bundles, where their system includes a couple of extras to make up some of the dollar difference.
If MS adds extra value to their system and cleans up authentication rules, the only real concern would remain the always-on Kinect. And that could also be changed.
One other thing that nobody else is talking about right now is how utterly screwed Nintendo currently is. The Wii U was expected to be substantially cheaper than the competition, but it's only $50 less than the announced PS4 price point. It was already struggling due to the death spiral of 'no games to pull in buyers, no buyers to pull in developers'. Now it's in serious trouble, and Nintendo has not been doing well financially of late. Then again, neither has Sony. Their games division has made solid money, but the rest of the corporation has had its ass kicked in this latest round of consumer electronics.
"Sony also sought to distinguish its games machine by announcing it would not introduce any new restrictions on pre-owned disc-based games bought from friends or retailers, nor would it require users to regularly authenticate their machines via the internet to allow games to continue being played.
By contrast, Microsoft has introduced limitations on who consumers can buy second-hand titles from and has introduced a requirement to connect to the net once every 24-hours to play games on the Xbox One.
"With Sony continually pushing their gaming credentials and the development of the PlayStation brand for gamers throughout their presentation - it has very publicly slapped Microsoft across the face," said Alex Simmons, UK Editor-in-Chief of news site IGN.com. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22850409 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22850409)
Serious food for thought. There is no way I'm buying anything on day one until everything has been sorted out. Whatever happens however, the days of the hardcore console gamer who buys systems just to game seem numbered. PC and XBOX 360 are looking like the way I'll be going for the foreseeable future.
As a dedicated XBox 360 gamer, I was also looking forward to Xbox One. Well, I was a huge Playstation fan in the 90s and I loved my PS1, so I'm not ideologically limited to the Xbox brand. But I was certainly interested in buying a Xbox One to carry over the cool stuff from XBox 360 (Gamertag, Achievements).
Now I'm quite certain that my next gen console will be a PS4 and not an XBox One. In my opinion, MS disqualified themselves with so many annoying points that the sum has become intolerable. So here's my rant!! ;D
- Always On / every 24 hour connect. Well, I'm lucky to live in an area with very good broadband connections, I have 16+ Mbit DSL and all online devices in my home are connected most of the time (IP television, smartphone, PC, XBox 360...). BUT there are times when there is no internet available - technical issues, road constructions which cut a cable, the stupid provider... if this happens, I will not be able to play any
offline single player games for more than 24 hours because I cannot reconnect? Come on!
What's even worse - I don't know why Microsoft's Don Mattrick speaks of "extreme scenarios" where people don't have broadband, for example on submarines. I don't know how things are in the US, but over here, there are still large areas without adequate broadband connection - you don't even have to be deployed to Afghanistan or live on a submarine, it's sufficient enough to live in central Europe. There isn't any adequate (>=2 MBit) broadband for the people in the smaller villages around our area. And telling them to use a mobile phone connection instead isn't helping much, this is crappy in many areas as well, and also more expensive because most mobile contracts are volumina restricted.
Official statement:
QuoteWith Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.
Yeah, thank you, that's SO generous! But I already have a Blu Ray player and a TV.
I'm also quite annoyed by MS's arrogance regarding this problem - the best example is the latest E3 quote by Don Mattrick: "Fortunately, we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity. It's called XBox 360"
No, it's called PS4. Hinting people at a last-gen console when they can't play with the next gen console is LAME. PS4 can't be played offline without ever being connected to the internet. Never ever.
- DRM ManagementQuote from: Arctic Blast on June 11, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Sony promised that all first party titles will work used, be trade-able and have no online authentication. BUT, it's up to individual third party publishers to decide what their games will allow. And that's actually the same way the used games and lending policies work on the XBox One.
And I don't think these two aspects will end up being as problematic as many are expecting simply because few third party publishers want to be known as the guys who require that sort of nonsense.
No, I don't think that's the same way on both consoles. According to Sony, you can lend your game to a friend, sell it, give it for free, buy it used and play it, or keep it forever. If a publisher uses their own DRM system, so what - it will be a code (like an online pass etc.), but it won't force the PS4 to connect to the internet every 24 hours to confirm this code. It will be more like it is today on both the XBox 360 and the PS3 and I can live with that. If a publisher annoys me with regulations, codes, and other stuff, I don't buy their games, but it's always my choice. I did this with some EA games in the past and I'm not afraid to do this again.
MSs policy is very obscure - you have to register each and every one of your games to your gamer account. You have a library in the cloud where "10 members of your family" can play your games (it's still unclear who is "family", whether they can play the same game simultaneously, or only a SP part of a game etc)., you can give your game
once to a friend (but it will be erased from your console then and the feature will not be available at start), you cannot trade in games except by "participating resellers" (no more ebay, marketplace, or flea market), no more renting of games, and there will be online verification that your game is still your game and you didn't do anything forbidden with it by verifying your licence every 24 hours. No thank you. I just want to play a game, and when I'm through, if I want to give it to my friends, I will do this. These regulations are nontransparent, muddy, weird, Orwellian AND they can be changed anytime by MS at will. If I buy a physical disc, I want to own it and do with it whatever I like. I don't want to buy a disc and only own a "licence" as I do with a downloadable title. That's silly and not consumer friendly. If I feel restriced by a product (and the XBox one is screaming "RESTRICTION" with everything it does) I'm not inclined to buy it.
In addition, every game is installed on your HDD as well as into the cloud. One time in the future, when Xbox Three is launched, and they shut down the services for Xbox One, you won't be able to play a single one of your old games again. You are a games collector? Too bad. I can (and do!) still play games on my beloved Sega Dreamcast. And I will be able to play PS4 games as long as my console lives, not as long as MS decides to provide you with a service which allows you to use your licence on their online services.
- Always on KinectI don't want Kinect. I don't need Kinect. I don't want to talk to my friends while playing Call of Duty by screaming into the room (over the shooting noise) and getting their answers out of my television speakers. I also don't want to talk to my Console or swipe with my hands. I'm perfectly content with a controller. A Kinect device which is always listening whether I say "XBox On" is as important to me as a bicycle for a fish.
- PricingAre you kidding me? Never heard of a currency converter? Even google can do the math! 499 $ = 375 Euros. 499 Euros = 663 $. Who in the US would pay 663$ for a console?!? So why should I?
- Television! Sports!Cool, just what I needed - a machine to plug into my internet television receiver to watch television! Simultaneously while I'm playing a game, skyping with a friend AND searching the web for information about the movie. Great!
Besides the fact that when I'm playing a game, I'm playing a game, and the fact that I'm completely content with switching channels on my TV receiver with a remote control, most of the TV features will not be available in Europe! The same is true for most of the sports stuff like ESPN. And, which may hurt many Americans, nothing is as boring as football or baseball or basketball to the average European, so they can keep their exclusive 400 Million Dollar deal with EA. Services like Netflix don't work over here due to problems with rights and licensing, so we will always have a "light version" of all the awesome TV stuff (as it is now already on the XBox 360). I don't think these features will ever be so popular over here, so the XBox One is very US-centric and gives the European gamer the feeling of being a "customer second class" or "necessary evil".
@ArticBlast:
Quote from: Arctic Blast on June 11, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
The new Playstation Online fees are in regards to multiplayer access. Basically, PS Online is now essentially the same as XBox Live Gold. You can still access updates and the like for free, same as with XBL Silver. But MP and access to services like Netflix require a paid membership. And both services will now include free older games as part of the paid service.
No, as far as I know, both services are not identical. You now have to pay on PS4 to play the Multiplayer parts of games. But, as stated in the E3 press conference, all other services on PS4 - like Netflix, Hulu and other apps - don't require a Playstation Plus membership. You only need the PSN membership for MP games, that was confirmed at E3. In addition, Playstation Plus is much more attractive than Microsoft Gold because of the "instant game collection" you get for free. MS will start giving out 2 (older) titles per month to Gold members in July (with Assassins Creed 2 and Halo 3), but with PS Plus, you get tons of free games, and sometimes even recent ones and blockbusters.
- Misc stuffThe PS4 is confirmed to be region-free, so I can play imported games from the US and Japan. XBox One has a region lock.
PS4 is cheaper (but they don't use a currency converter either, which sucks - so 399 Euros = 530 $ launch price) and PS Eye is optional (unlike Kinect).
XBox One won't be downwards compatible, while PS4 will offer PS3 titles via Gaikai later in 2014.
PS4 uses DDR5 RAM while XBoxOne still uses the old DDR3.
You can change the in-built PS4 HDD by replacing it with a default retail HDD while you have to plug in an external HDD to your XBOX One (=another device next to your TV).
There is no XBox One exclusive title which forces me to buy XBox One (as did Halo 1 many years ago which forced me to buy the original XBox and Final Fantasy VII which convinced me to buy the PS1).
The chance of japanophile games is much higher on PS4 than on XBox One (I love Japanese RPGs).
99% of all games will be identical and will be published on both consoles. The difference is: when I finished playing my game on the PS4, I can give it for free to Grimnirsson. Even to W8aminute in the US (because there is no region lock). When I finished a game on XBox One, I can throw it in the thrash (actually, I can do this as soon as the game is installed because the disc isn't required afterwards due to the every-24 hour online verification process).
For me, there are so many reasons to switch back to Playstation in the next gen (plus: I can keep my XBox 360 because it will be supported with great games for the years to come, and I can't take my downloaded Arcade games with me to XBox One). The PS4 does exactly what I expect from a console: I plug it into my TV, I start a game, I play and when I'm done, I give the game away or lend me a game from a friend. Grimnirsson and I are exchanging games all the time. If I want to buy a game, I buy it new or I buy it used. I don't want to watch TV on a console, and I don't want to browse the internet on a console, and when I want to watch a movie, I use our Blu Ray player. What I expect from a console is GAMES and GAMING, nothing else, and I think that the PS4 will satisfy this need perfectly without annoying me with rubbish.
I really hope that XBox One will remain on the shelves when people switch camps after launch. People should vote with their Dollars until MS gives up all the mistrusting Orwell crap and changes the XBox One back to a regular game console. Just like the XBox 360, I was perfectly content with how they dealt with DRM, used games, and online stuff. I have no idea why they felt the need to make things worse - so worse that I'm feeling annoyed, not taken seriously as a consumer and a gamer, regimented, controlled, mistrusted and regulated by a device which was meant to support my hobby and provide me with hours of enjoyable leisure time.
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PS: I deliberatley left the PC out of my rant; a PC is different thing altogether and out of the competition between consoles - I have a modern, strong gaming PC and things like Steam etc. have become quite common here (but PC games are much cheaper here, so this is a totally different thing). I always had and have a gaming console (or more consoles) next to my PC to play with a controller in my rocking armchair on my large TV screen without struggling with patches, installs, drivers, or OS. The simplicity of consoles is what I want for my optimal gaming experience. The fact that you need a PC for many genres (for example most strategy games), is out of the question and I swallow all frogs here because... it's a PC. Not a console. And not meant to be simple and user-friendly. 8)
Well stated Hiimori. I couldn't have said it better myself.
QuoteIn my opinion, MS disqualified themselves with so many annoying points that the sum has become intolerable.
Within the first 3 minutes of watching the video of XBOX One on 22.May I realized that XBOX One is not only not for me but it is an evil creepy spy device.
QuoteI don't want Kinect. I don't need Kinect.
I agree. I bought Kinnect for XBOX 360, now I wish I could get my money back. What a waste and it is a spy device plain and simple.
QuoteWhat I expect from a console is GAMES and GAMING, nothing else, and I think that the PS4 will satisfy this need perfectly without annoying me with rubbish.
Exactly. Watching tv or a movie on a console is a complete waste of time and very stupid. DVD players are so cheap nowadays as well as Blu Ray players. Everybody has a decent tv these days. LCD models while not cutting edge tech are very affordable.
QuoteThe PS4 is confirmed to be region-free, so I can play imported games from the US and Japan.
I had a conversation with my friend yesterday and he told me this news. I was so happy. I'm a big import gamer and love some of the Japanese games you cannot get in my country. It's one of the main reasons why I bought the PS3 and the PSP. Looks like I will be buying the PS4 therefor.
We all love our hobby and when a company like MS comes out and tells me I no longer own my games, I just rent them for a fee and a confirmation every 24hrs it really brings out the worst in emotions.
Quote from: W8taminute on June 12, 2013, 07:50:00 AM
We all love our hobby and when a company like MS comes out and tells me I no longer own my games, I just rent them for a fee and a confirmation every 24hrs it really brings out the worst in emotions.
Yes, checking in every 24 hours makes me feel like I'm on parole :P
No question, the Xbox 360 was the last Microsoft console that I bought because a company that tries to control, regulate and narrow the hobby in this way will always try to force the consumer to 'obey' to their 'we want more profit' rules. I simply don't trust them anymore and I did trust them based on what they achieved with the Xbox brand - after their arrogant 'we tell you how it works now and you will buy it anyway' answers to concerned gamers they have shown their real face. I suppose the Xbox One's internal name is WII Fuck U and personally I'm done with this company when it comes to consoles. They have stated this is the way to go now and I have decided to say 'No!' - plain and simple
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^Awesome! I love it, great find 40.
And bring on the expected changes : http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/194649/Microsoft_confirms_Xbox_One_DRM_policy_reversal.php
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Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.
For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.
Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.
You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.
Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.
Vice President of Xbox Live Marc Whitten tells Kotaku that the changes will come at a price, including a day-one patch and some lost features:
There's a few things we won't be able to deliver as a result of this change. One of the things we were very excited about was 'wherever we go my games are always with me.' Now, of course your physical games won't show up that way. [However] the games you bought digitally will.
...Similarly, the sharing library [is something] we won't be able to deliver at launch.
If only now they remove the Kinnect restrictions there could be some hope but I'm not counting on it nor do I trust MS. Too little too late, this should have been the policy from day one. Nice try though MS, nice try.
They also need to allow the owner to swap out the hard drive just like you can in the 360. Anyway, for me it's a moot point.
How dumb disconnected they are from reality, that they could not predict the original backlash.
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 20, 2013, 09:40:38 AM
How dumb disconnected they are from reality, that they could not predict the original backlash.
Do you honestly think they cooked all of this up in a vacuum? Of course they didn't. I guarantee you the big publishers were in total agreement with the whole deal...right up until things went bad.
Back to the question on PS4 compatibility: unless GaiKing (or whatever it is) provides free downloads of titles I already bought for the PS3, which is still a huge bother, it still isn't backwards compatible in any way that matters. If I must rebuy the game, I might as well be rebuying the game for the PS4.
I'm saying this as someone who loves the PS, and has a huge stock of games going back to the PS1. It irks me insultingly that backwards compatibility was dropped for the PS3 (or rather skipped over the PS2). Yes, I know they dropped the PS2 hardware to cut production costs of the PS3, which Sony was losing money on with every unit sold for years. But if unit production cost was really an issue, they could have just continued to produce units at an extra $50 or whatever, rather than continuing to sell new PS2 units for over $100. Those of us who wanted the compatibility would have paid for it. We'd still pay for it now!--I'd pay an extra $100 for full PS3 and PS2 hardware compatibility in my PS4, just so I don't have to go to the bother of keeping three units plugged up to my TV somewhere, or unpacking them if (God forbid) I want to play Godzilla Save The Earth or inFamous.
But then I'd have a full library already and less impetus to create a whole new library? MORONS IF YOU SELL ME ON HOW NIFTY NEW GAMES ARE I WILL BUY THEM!! Heck, I'll even buy old games I haven't gotten around to yet, and you can earn some money on that (as PSN is well aware, having been selling PS1 titles for years and recently starting to work through the huge backlog of PS2 titles.)
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No doubt I'll get a PS4 eventually (once a decent library has been built up), but until then I'm switching back to PC. Backwards compatibility is king, and I don't think I'm alone in this -- I've seen a lot of reaction on line to the effect of screw it, a decent computer can be built and put together for not much more than a new PS4. It may be more bother but it's more rewarding and that's what sells products at the end of the day.
I gave up on backward compatibility a long time ago - neither XBox One nor PS4 will be able to play my old games - although there are rumors that some XBLA games will come to XBone, and Gaikai sounds promising, too (but I won't rely on any of these, and I certainly won't be able to play all of my games there, especially not the more esoteric ones :P).
I resorted to the only method which ensures that I will be able to play my old games - I keep my old consoles and whenever I feel the need to play an old game, I launch my Original XBox, Dreamcast, N64, whatever... an ugly, but reliable solution. Of course it would be more comfortable if each new console was able to play the titles of its predecessors, but since each console comes with an entirely new architecture, and integrating a compatibility feature would raise the prices of new consoles, I gave up on expecting backward compatibility.
Two problems with this method, though - once in a while, an old console dies (as did my Playstation 1 when the laser got screwed), but luckily, most of the old consoles are still available at low prices. Another problem is that companies cut off the online support / online gaming features of older games, but on the other hand, most older online games are dead anyway (heck, many current gen games are dead already). So I'm looking forward to new games on new consoles, and from time to time, I play old games on old consoles (but, to be honest, the current ones are usually more interesting and attractive, and it's only a handful of very special all-time classics which are dug out from time to time).
For the period of transition between two console generations, I certainly keep both consoles plugged in as long as possible.
I only gave up on backwards compat recently (because I lucked out and found a new Gen1PS3 that served me well for three or four years, God rest its soul in heaven). So it still burrrrrnnnnsss!!!!! {gnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailgnashgnashgnashwailllll!!!!}
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Sure, I have a totally fresh PS2 carefully wrapped away in a box somewhere, but pulling all that out and setting it up (especially hooking cables behind my heavy TV), to play a handful of special games?--annoying enough I haven't done it yet. Also, my old PS3 upscaled PS2 games beautifully.
So never the hell mind PS4. When you can sell me a library along with a console, I'll think about it. Meanwhile, I'm investing this week in a 360 controller for Windows, and maybe a new flightstick.
(Mental note to ask around the forum for flightstick recommendations...)
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 24, 2013, 08:27:54 AM
(Mental note to ask around the forum for flightstick recommendations...)
We are quite content with the Saitek Aviator for Xbox 360, but there's also a PC model available.
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/av360.html (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/av360.html)
That does look quite nice. Thx!
I meant to ask how well it plays with Win8. (I notice there's a PC/PS3 edition, too, which is even better for me! :D)
Edited to add: never mind the PS3 version derides windows and Saitek apparently no longer supports it. :(
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QuoteXbox boss Don Mattrick says when compared to other modern products, $500 is not a "ridiculous" price point.
No, but 500€ is.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-defends-xbox-one-500-price-point-were-over-delivering-value-6410352 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-defends-xbox-one-500-price-point-were-over-delivering-value-6410352)
Don Mattrick probably doesn't even know what the Euro is...
What I found disturbing about that gamespot news item is Don's comments that MS is delivering thousands of dollars worth of technology at a very good price to the consumer. Over delivering value is not a term I have ever heard of in my life during my work in the semiconductor industry.
I really liked the point too that in light of recent events with phone and data monitoring of all U.S. citizens I resent the XBone as yet another spy device creeping into my life. Did you know that the new Kinnect can detect facial expressions based on your reactions to a game? The premise is that you can get a screen shot of how you reacted to an in game event. The software developers can also use the data on how people reacted to improve their games. I don't buy that explanation for one minute. It's nothing more than yet another datapoint to be used against you if they wish to. This is all according to my recent issue of the magazine 'Game Informer'.
QuoteDon's comments that MS is delivering thousands of dollars worth of technology at a very good price to the consumer
I say BS! They can keep their 'thousands of dollars worth of technology' while I'm playing my games on the 360 and PS4...
Quote from: W8taminute on June 27, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
What I found disturbing about that gamespot news item is Don's comments that MS is delivering thousands of dollars worth of technology at a very good price to the consumer. Over delivering value is not a term I have ever heard of in my life during my work in the semiconductor industry.
The standard account of the PS3 is that they did just this for years: the units cost much more to produce than they were earning from sales income. This is one (ostensible) reason why they removed PS2 hardware functionality; also why they did some other things to bring the cost down.
They were banking on the PS3 selling more units for being higher quality, e.g. an excellent Blu player, thus making up the difference on game licensing and peripherals (extra controllers etc.) I haven't seen numbers to indicate how well that worked, but Microsoft sounds like it's trying the same thing: Nintendo won big early in the last generation going cheap and superficially innovative, but the same strategy imploded on them this past winter, giving a signal that the market wants quality--and no longer gives much of a damn about motion control. Consequently I haven't seen much promotion along that line from Sony at all this year, and not even much really from Microsoft -- they're going to insist on that Kinect for their own reasons so they have to find some way to promote it, but I don't see much promotion for its game functionality yet, not to the degree that ABSOLUTELY HAVING TO HAVE IT ON YOUR SYSTEM would suggest.
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 28, 2013, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: W8taminute on June 27, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
What I found disturbing about that gamespot news item is Don's comments that MS is delivering thousands of dollars worth of technology at a very good price to the consumer. Over delivering value is not a term I have ever heard of in my life during my work in the semiconductor industry.
The standard account of the PS3 is that they did just this for years: the units cost much more to produce than they were earning from sales income. This is one (ostensible) reason why they removed PS2 hardware functionality; also why they did some other things to bring the cost down.
They were banking on the PS3 selling more units for being higher quality, e.g. an excellent Blu player, thus making up the difference on game licensing and peripherals (extra controllers etc.) I haven't seen numbers to indicate how well that worked, but Microsoft sounds like it's trying the same thing: Nintendo won big early in the last generation going cheap and superficially innovative, but the same strategy imploded on them this past winter, giving a signal that the market wants quality--and no longer gives much of a damn about motion control. Consequently I haven't seen much promotion along that line from Sony at all this year, and not even much really from Microsoft -- they're going to insist on that Kinect for their own reasons so they have to find some way to promote it, but I don't see much promotion for its game functionality yet, not to the degree that ABSOLUTELY HAVING TO HAVE IT ON YOUR SYSTEM would suggest.
This is true of most consoles. they lose money per unit until/unless they get to huge sales levels. On the other hand, the developers make up that loss through the licensing fees on every single copy sold for that console.
Next gen I'm going to correct the mistake I made this gen. I'm going to return to Playstation. Microsoft, for reasons already given in this thread, can suck my balls.
The 360 and XBL was superior this gen, but M$ decided it was worth the try to mess around with those who play and pay. And Sony learned from previous mistakes and listened to what those who pay and play say...