Star Trek Bridge Crew

[glen55]

I do agree that the concept of VR has huge potential, and not just in gaming, but I wouldn't buy into it just yet - as I don't think that a clunky headset with eye damaging screens is the future - no-one ever indulged in technology that made them look silly - look how 3D cinema has spectacularly failed to catch on.  I understand MS are working on a next generation (no pun intended) VR system that projects externally - now that is VR I would buy into.

Eye damaging? Whatch' you talkin' 'bout Willis?

The "external" projection you are referring to is called "augmented reality". Its totally different.

Heck, we had augmented reality back when I was in college in '72. And you're right, it is different.

[bbmike]

I don't want to ask what TOS is.

Just assume I know it somehow opposes whatever the other kind of Star Trek is.  I'm a warfare theorist, that works for me.

Close. TOS is the only Star Trek. There is nothing else. Except DS9. And bits of TNG.

This is turning into a religious debate :P

Oops, almost forgot. TAS also is.

[Swatter]

My issues with VR are philosophical and not really the point of this thread.  I don't disagree with JH that VR will become more prominent in time.

Ahhhhhhhh....this could be an interesting discussion. I can see philosophical apprehension with the technology, but its no different than anything else. In moderation, I don't see a problem.

We might already be living in a simulation so why not pile another one on top?

[Nefaro]

Does it have green Orion slave women?

No.

That's Star Trek Bitch Crew™




Easy mistake to make, though.  ;)

[Phantom]

I do agree that the concept of VR has huge potential, and not just in gaming, but I wouldn't buy into it just yet - as I don't think that a clunky headset with eye damaging screens is the future - no-one ever indulged in technology that made them look silly - look how 3D cinema has spectacularly failed to catch on.  I understand MS are working on a next generation (no pun intended) VR system that projects externally - now that is VR I would buy into.

Eye damaging? Whatch' you talkin' 'bout Willis?

The "external" projection you are referring to is called "augmented reality". Its totally different.

"Development builds of Oculus Rift have been around since late 2012, and early adopters have already reported ocular problems with extended use. While these reports aren't especially widespread, they're enough to raise concerns" - apparently the issue is related to fooling your eyes/brain into believing an image 2/3 cm away from your eye has actual depth - it causes eye strain & has been linked to myopia.

The external projection I had in mind isn't augmented reality, but rather (appropriately) the equivalent of Star Trek's "holodeck" - ie: not reality with something superimposed, but a genuine 3D artificial environment.

[mirth]

That's Star Trek Bitch Crew™

Where do I buy that?

[Jarhead0331]

I do agree that the concept of VR has huge potential, and not just in gaming, but I wouldn't buy into it just yet - as I don't think that a clunky headset with eye damaging screens is the future - no-one ever indulged in technology that made them look silly - look how 3D cinema has spectacularly failed to catch on.  I understand MS are working on a next generation (no pun intended) VR system that projects externally - now that is VR I would buy into.

Eye damaging? Whatch' you talkin' 'bout Willis?

The "external" projection you are referring to is called "augmented reality". Its totally different.

"Development builds of Oculus Rift have been around since late 2012, and early adopters have already reported ocular problems with extended use. While these reports aren't especially widespread, they're enough to raise concerns" - apparently the issue is related to fooling your eyes/brain into believing an image 2/3 cm away from your eye has actual depth - it causes eye strain & has been linked to myopia.

The external projection I had in mind isn't augmented reality, but rather (appropriately) the equivalent of Star Trek's "holodeck" - ie: not reality with something superimposed, but a genuine 3D artificial environment.

The issue seems to be more one of eye strain, which is not unique to VR devices, but an issue with the use of all digital devices.

https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-virtual-reality-headsets-safe-eyes

[Phantom]

I do agree that the concept of VR has huge potential, and not just in gaming, but I wouldn't buy into it just yet - as I don't think that a clunky headset with eye damaging screens is the future - no-one ever indulged in technology that made them look silly - look how 3D cinema has spectacularly failed to catch on.  I understand MS are working on a next generation (no pun intended) VR system that projects externally - now that is VR I would buy into.

Eye damaging? Whatch' you talkin' 'bout Willis?

The "external" projection you are referring to is called "augmented reality". Its totally different.

"Development builds of Oculus Rift have been around since late 2012, and early adopters have already reported ocular problems with extended use. While these reports aren't especially widespread, they're enough to raise concerns" - apparently the issue is related to fooling your eyes/brain into believing an image 2/3 cm away from your eye has actual depth - it causes eye strain & has been linked to myopia.

The external projection I had in mind isn't augmented reality, but rather (appropriately) the equivalent of Star Trek's "holodeck" - ie: not reality with something superimposed, but a genuine 3D artificial environment.

The issue seems to be more one of eye strain, which is not unique to VR devices, but an issue with the use of all digital devices.

https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-virtual-reality-headsets-safe-eyes

Interesting article - I didn't know you could get motion sickness in VR - great for age of sail games I guess  ;)

[Jarhead0331]

I do agree that the concept of VR has huge potential, and not just in gaming, but I wouldn't buy into it just yet - as I don't think that a clunky headset with eye damaging screens is the future - no-one ever indulged in technology that made them look silly - look how 3D cinema has spectacularly failed to catch on.  I understand MS are working on a next generation (no pun intended) VR system that projects externally - now that is VR I would buy into.

Eye damaging? Whatch' you talkin' 'bout Willis?

The "external" projection you are referring to is called "augmented reality". Its totally different.

"Development builds of Oculus Rift have been around since late 2012, and early adopters have already reported ocular problems with extended use. While these reports aren't especially widespread, they're enough to raise concerns" - apparently the issue is related to fooling your eyes/brain into believing an image 2/3 cm away from your eye has actual depth - it causes eye strain & has been linked to myopia.

The external projection I had in mind isn't augmented reality, but rather (appropriately) the equivalent of Star Trek's "holodeck" - ie: not reality with something superimposed, but a genuine 3D artificial environment.

The issue seems to be more one of eye strain, which is not unique to VR devices, but an issue with the use of all digital devices.

https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/are-virtual-reality-headsets-safe-eyes

Interesting article - I didn't know you could get motion sickness in VR - great for age of sail games I guess  ;)

Yea! Motion sickness is a major issue with VR, much more common than any issues with eye strain. There are still a few games that make me feel very uncomfortable, but most I have grown used to. Apparently, VR confuses your senses. Your eyes are detecting motion, but the rest of your body is not and these confusing signals result in nausea. The brain is an amazing thing...

[bbmike]

I did have a hard time watching parts of the video that mirth posted. There was way too much movement. I guess it might be different if you were actually wearing the VR gear.

[Jarhead0331]

I did have a hard time watching parts of the video that mirth posted. There was way too much movement. I guess it might be different if you were actually wearing the VR gear.

It's definitely different...it's worse.  ;D

[Staggerwing]

'Star Trek: Jazz Hands!'

[Phantom]

Does the kit required for this game include motion sensors on the hands as well as the VR headset then?

[Tpek]

Damn, I guess I really need to go and shell out for a VR set.

Is the PS4 VR set really that bad and not worth it? (I'd rather play this game on the PS4)

[Jarhead0331]

Does the kit required for this game include motion sensors on the hands as well as the VR headset then?

Yes. Motion controllers. You hold one in each hand. I believe you can use a regular game pad too, but that is extremely immersion breaking.