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Out of the Park Baseball '22
« on: July 27, 2021, 09:44:58 AM »
I have religiously bought every yearly iteration of OOTP since 2015.

But this year, because of COVID and the state of baseball, I thought I would skip a year or two of OOTP.

Then came the sale...and at 50% off I decided to bite...OOTP '22 is now part of my library.

Boy am I glad I did.

For the first time, I started playing OOTP's online league, "Perfect Team".  What a gem!!!! (BTW, Perfect Team is only one small part of the overall functionality of OOTP....OOTP also has offline historical and current game management...want to play the 1906 Cubs vs. 1927 Yankees or even the 2020 Dodgers?  or just play 2019 all over again?...or if the current season is your thing, you can import up-to-the-minute team positions and player stats to play tomorrow's game...OOTP has you covered).

The "Perfect Team" sub game is basically fantasy baseball, but you have all the players from today through the history of baseball to pick from. Your team is then put in a league with a full schedule. Every few hours, the game runs a simulated game and collects all stats, and runs your team based on your management preferences...how often to steal, bunt, etc. After each game, OOTP generates a detailed log of the gameplay...pitch by pitch. There is even an animated "highlights" reel if you want to watch instead of read.

The interface and gameplay are fairly intuitive (occasionally I have some minor problems finding things)...even if you aren't a super fan. But the game play is much deeper than fantasy baseball since you can manage your team through semi-automated strategies...if you have a handful of guys who are fast on their feet for example, put more emphasis on stealing bases.

In previous years, I have stayed away from Perfect Team sub game because of its revenue model. That was a mistake. Sure, you can buy your way into it...but compared to World or Tanks or War Thunder, its pretty cheap. Essentially, you can buy more "perfect points" (basically 'gold coins') to buy and trade better players. But you don't have to...I have found that I can still have a bunch of fun without spending any money.

So, in the end, I am very happy with my purchase of OOTP '22 and am looking forward to OOTP '23.

 
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2021, 08:20:24 PM »
It's a gem of a game.  I've bought every year since 2009ish.
Haven't done the Perfect Game yet but I love playing the
historical seasons.  Doing 1964 now.....Milwaukee Braves.
I actually went to some of the games during that season :)

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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2021, 05:57:25 PM »
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2021, 12:58:20 PM »
It's a gem of a game.  I've bought every year since 2009ish.
Haven't done the Perfect Game yet but I love playing the
historical seasons.  Doing 1964 now.....Milwaukee Braves.
I actually went to some of the games during that season :)

Nice,

I am currently playing the '52 Philadelphia As...no particular reason for the team choice, but just wanted to play in the early 50s.  Managed to beat the Yankees in the opening game (Phil Rizzuto, Micky Mantle, Yogi Berra et. al).  But they play well...don't expect to win against them again.
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2021, 01:01:45 PM »
Early 50s Yankees are beyond legendary. But I would be contractually obligated to take the Dodgers...until 1957 :(
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2021, 01:41:21 PM »
For grins, here is the game log for my 1952 As vs. NY Yankees

The As had a great 3rd inning and never let go...

TOP OF THE 1ST
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Pitching: LHP Alex Kellner   
Batting: RHB Phil Rizzuto   0-0: Ball
1-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-1: Ball
2-1: Ball
3-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Ground out U3 (Groundball, 34, EV 90.6 MPH)
Batting: RHB Jackie Jensen   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Ground out U3 (Groundball, 34S, EV 86.2 MPH)
Batting: SHB Mickey Mantle   0-0: Ball
1-0: Swinging Strike
1-1: Ground out 6-3 (Groundball, 56, EV 103.8 MPH)
Top of the 1st over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 0

BOTTOM OF THE 1ST
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Pitching: RHP Vic Raschi   
Batting: RHB Eddie Joost   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Ball
3-0: Called Strike
3-1: Base on Balls
Batting: LHB Ferris Fain   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Ball
1-1: Ball
2-1: Ball
3-1: Called Strike
3-2: Fly out, F7 (Flyball, 7LD, EV 88.8 MPH)
Runner from 1st tags up, SAFE at 2nd
Batting: LHB Elmer Valo   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Ball
2-2: Ball
3-2: Ground out 5-3 (Groundball, 56S, EV 68.1 MPH)
Eddie Joost to third
Batting: RHB Gus Zernial   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Ball
2-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
2-2: Foul Ball, location: 9LDF
2-2: Ground out 6-3 (Groundball, 6M, EV 98.1 MPH)
Bottom of the 1st over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 0

TOP OF THE 2ND
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: RHB Gil McDougald   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Ball
2-2: Ball
3-2: Strikes out looking
Batting: RHB Hank Bauer   0-0: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LXD, EV 108.8 MPH)
Batting: LHB Johnny Mize   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Called Strike
0-2: Ball
1-2: Ground out 4-3 (Groundball, 34, EV 80.6 MPH)
Top of the 2nd over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 0

BOTTOM OF THE 2ND
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Batting: RHB Allie Clark   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Ball
3-0: Base on Balls
Batting: RHB Billy Hitchcock   0-0: Grounds into double play, 3-6-3 (Groundball, 34, EV 83.1 MPH)
Batting: RHB Pete Suder   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Reached on error, E1 (Groundball, P, EV 66.9 MPH)
Batting: RHB Joe Tipton   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ground out 5-3 (Groundball, 5S, EV 68.8 MPH)
Bottom of the 2nd over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 1 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 0

TOP OF THE 3RD
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: RHB Jerry Coleman   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ground out 6-3 (Groundball, 6MS, EV 84.4 MPH)
Batting: RHB Charlie Silvera   0-0: Ground out 6-3 (Groundball, 6, EV 93.1 MPH)
Batting: RHB Vic Raschi   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Strikes out swinging
Top of the 3rd over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 0

BOTTOM OF THE 3RD
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Batting: RHB Alex Kellner   0-0: Bunt missed!
0-1: Ball
1-1: Ball
2-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
2-2: Ball
3-2: Base on Balls
Batting: RHB Eddie Joost   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Ball
3-0: Base on Balls
Alex Kellner to second
Batting: LHB Ferris Fain   0-0: Ball
1-0: Fly out, F6 (Popup, P, EV 88.1 MPH)
Batting: LHB Elmer Valo   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Fielders Choice at 2nd, 3-6 (Groundball, 34S, EV 88.1 MPH)
Alex Kellner to third
Batting: RHB Gus Zernial   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: SINGLE (Line Drive, 8LM, EV 90.0 MPH)
Alex Kellner scores
Elmer Valo to second
Elmer Valo to third
Batting: RHB Allie Clark   0-0: 3-RUN HOME RUN (Line Drive, 78XD, EV 115.0 MPH), Distance : 438 ft
Batting: RHB Billy Hitchcock   0-0: Ball
1-0: Called Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: SINGLE (Groundball, 56D, EV 100.0 MPH)
Batting: RHB Pete Suder   0-0: Ball
1-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-1: Ball
2-1: Ball
3-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Base on Balls
Billy Hitchcock to second
Batting: RHB Joe Tipton   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-2: Ball
1-2: Strikes out swinging
Bottom of the 3rd over - 4 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, 2 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4

TOP OF THE 4TH
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: RHB Phil Rizzuto   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Reached on error, E8 (Flyball, 8LD, EV 103.8 MPH)
Batting: RHB Jackie Jensen   0-0: Ball
1-0: Swinging Strike
1-1: Called Strike
1-2: Foul Ball, location: 2RF
1-2: Ball
2-2: Fielders Choice at 2nd, 6-4 (Groundball, 6, EV 90.0 MPH)
Batting: SHB Mickey Mantle   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Ball
3-0: Base on Balls
Jackie Jensen to second
Batting: RHB Gil McDougald   Pickoff Throw to Second - No movement.
0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Called Strike
0-2: Ball
1-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Strikes out swinging
Batting: RHB Hank Bauer   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Fly out, F9 (Flyball, 9D, EV 91.2 MPH)
Top of the 4th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 1 error, 2 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4

BOTTOM OF THE 4TH
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Batting: RHB Alex Kellner   0-0: Ball
1-0: Foul Ball, location: 9LDF
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 9LSF
1-2: Strikes out swinging
Batting: RHB Eddie Joost   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Ball
1-1: Swinging Strike
1-2: Ball
2-2: Strikes out looking
Batting: LHB Ferris Fain   0-0: Ball
1-0: Called Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: Swinging Strike
2-2: Ball
3-2: Fly out, F9 (Flyball, 9D, EV 93.1 MPH)
Bottom of the 4th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4
TOP OF THE 5TH
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: LHB Johnny Mize   0-0: Ball
1-0: Fly out, F4 (Popup, 4, EV 65.0 MPH)
Batting: RHB Jerry Coleman   0-0: Swinging Strike
0-1: Foul Ball, location: 9LDF
0-2: Strikes out swinging
Batting: RHB Charlie Silvera   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Called Strike
0-2: Strikes out swinging
Top of the 5th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4

BOTTOM OF THE 5TH
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Batting: LHB Elmer Valo   0-0: Ball
1-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-1: SINGLE (Line Drive, 6MD, EV 106.2 MPH)
Batting: RHB Gus Zernial   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Ball
3-0: Called Strike
3-1: Swinging Strike
3-2: Fielders Choice at 2nd, 6-4 (Groundball, 6, EV 86.9 MPH)
Batting: RHB Allie Clark   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Ball
1-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Strikes out swinging
Batting: RHB Billy Hitchcock   0-0: Ball
1-0: Called Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: Swinging Strike
2-2: Ball
3-2: Strikes out swinging
Bottom of the 5th over - 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4

TOP OF THE 6TH
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: RHB Vic Raschi   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ground out 6-3 (Groundball, 6, EV 85.6 MPH)
Batting: RHB Phil Rizzuto   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Swinging Strike
2-1: Ball
3-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Fly out, F5 (Popup, 56, EV 77.5 MPH)
Batting: RHB Jackie Jensen   0-0: Ball
1-0: Fly out, F8 (Line Drive, 8LD, EV 100.6 MPH)
Top of the 6th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4

BOTTOM OF THE 6TH
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Batting: RHB Pete Suder   0-0: Bunt for hit to P - play at first, batter OUT! 1-3
Batting: RHB Joe Tipton   0-0: Ball
1-0: Swinging Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
2-2: Ball
3-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Fly out, F9 (Flyball, 89M, EV 92.5 MPH)
Batting: RHB Alex Kellner   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Called Strike
2-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
2-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
2-2: Ground out U3 (Groundball, 34, EV 87.5 MPH)
Bottom of the 6th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 0 - Philadelphia 4

TOP OF THE 7TH
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: SHB Mickey Mantle   0-0: Intentional Walk
Batting: RHB Gil McDougald   0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Ball
3-0: Called Strike
3-1: Called Strike
3-2: Foul Ball, location: 7LSF
3-2: Base on Balls
Mickey Mantle to second
Batting: RHB Hank Bauer   0-0: Ball
1-0: SINGLE (Flyball, 56D, EV 88.8 MPH)
Mickey Mantle to third
Gil McDougald to second
Pinch Hitting: LHB Gene Woodling   Pickoff Throw to Third - No movement.
0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Foul Ball, location: 7LSF
2-1: Ball
3-1: Grounds into double play, 4-6-3 (Groundball, 34, EV 82.5 MPH)
Mickey Mantle scores
Gil McDougald to third
Batting: RHB Jerry Coleman   0-0: Ball
1-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-1: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8RD, EV 85.0 MPH)
Top of the 7th over - 1 run, 1 hit, 0 errors, 1 left on base; New York 1 - Philadelphia 4

BOTTOM OF THE 7TH
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Now at 1B: Johnny Hopp   
Batting: RHB Eddie Joost   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Ball
1-1: Ball
2-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
2-2: Ground out 6-3 (Groundball, 6M, EV 105.0 MPH)
Batting: LHB Ferris Fain   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: DOUBLE (Line Drive, 5D, EV 98.8 MPH)
Batting: LHB Elmer Valo   0-0: Ball
1-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-1: Ball
2-1: Foul Ball, location: 2RF
2-2: Ball
3-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8RS, EV 90.0 MPH)
Batting: RHB Gus Zernial   0-0: Ball
Ferris Fain is caught stealing 3rd base 2-5
Bottom of the 7th over - 0 runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, 0 left on base; New York 1 - Philadelphia 4

TOP OF THE 8TH
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: RHB Charlie Silvera   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Ball
2-1: Ball
3-1: Called Strike
3-2: Base on Balls
Pinch Hitting: LHB Joe Collins   0-0: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LM, EV 90.0 MPH)
Batting: RHB Phil Rizzuto   0-0: Ball
1-0: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 89D, EV 101.2 MPH)
Batting: RHB Jackie Jensen   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Ball
2-1: Ball
3-1: Base on Balls
Charlie Silvera to second
Batting: SHB Mickey Mantle   0-0: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-1: Foul Ball, location: 2F
0-2: Ball
1-2: Ball
2-2: Fly out, F6 (Popup, 6MD, EV 63.8 MPH)
Top of the 8th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 2 left on base; New York 1 - Philadelphia 4

BOTTOM OF THE 8TH
Philadelphia Athletics batting - Pitching for New York Yankees : RHP Vic Raschi
Pitching: RHP Johnny Sain   
Batting: RHB Gus Zernial   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Swinging Strike
1-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Ball
2-2: Ball
3-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
3-2: Base on Balls
Batting: RHB Allie Clark   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Swinging Strike
1-2: Ball
2-2: Ball
3-2: Fly out, F8 (Flyball, 8LM, EV 83.8 MPH)
Batting: RHB Billy Hitchcock   0-0: Ball
1-0: Fly out, F5 (Popup, 5L, EV 71.2 MPH)
Batting: RHB Pete Suder   0-0: Swinging Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Called Strike
1-2: Foul Ball, location: 2F
1-2: Ball
2-2: Strikes out swinging
Bottom of the 8th over - 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 left on base; New York 1 - Philadelphia 4

TOP OF THE 9TH
New York Yankees batting - Pitching for Philadelphia Athletics : LHP Alex Kellner
Batting: RHB Gil McDougald   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Ball
1-1: Reached on error, E6 (Groundball, 6, EV 89.4 MPH)
Batting: RHB Hank Bauer   0-0: Ball
1-0: Called Strike
1-1: Ball
2-1: Swinging Strike
2-2: Fly out, F7 (Flyball, 7S, EV 94.4 MPH)
Pinch Hitting: RHB Billy Martin   0-0: Fielders Choice at 2nd, 6-4 (Groundball, 6, EV 105.6 MPH)
Batting: RHB Jerry Coleman   0-0: Swinging Strike
0-1: DOUBLE (Line Drive, 78D, EV 112.5 MPH)
Billy Martin to third
Batting: RHB Charlie Silvera   0-0: Ball
1-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 56D, EV 102.5 MPH)
Billy Martin scores
Jerry Coleman to third
Pinch Hitting: LHB Yogi Berra   0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Fly out, F9 (Flyball, 9, EV 72.5 MPH)
Top of the 9th over - 1 run, 2 hits, 1 error, 2 left on base; New York 2 - Philadelphia 4
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2021, 07:19:31 PM »
OOTP, the greatest computer game the world has ever known.   More than a game its a life style. I buy every year, I gave up a long time ago fooling myself that I could resist.   I am proud that once I did wait till the All-Star break discount....but I usually pre-order like a OOTP cuck. ;)
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2021, 06:57:57 AM »
OOTP, the greatest computer game the world has ever known.   More than a game its a life style. I buy every year, I gave up a long time ago fooling myself that I could resist.   I am proud that once I did wait till the All-Star break discount....but I usually pre-order like a OOTP cuck. ;)

completely understandable...:)

the depth of the game is amazing...I have only scratched the surface...and have been playing it for years...
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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2021, 05:19:12 PM »
I've considered OOTP before, as a general manager/manager experience (similar to Baseball Mogul but with significantly greater detail).

But I hear you folks talking (I think) about statistical accuracy.  My go to for that has always been Diamond Mind (not the current on-line version but the pre-Tippett sale version).

So, given that my desire is to select, say 8 - 10 real-life teams (ranging from 1902, or maybe 1893, to 2020), put them all in a single league, have them play a season using game defined pre-set lineups and pitching rotations, have the computer play all games in 5-10 minutes, let me see the results afterwards, and feel "realistic", can OOTP do that?

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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2021, 05:51:21 PM »
I've considered OOTP before, as a general manager/manager experience (similar to Baseball Mogul but with significantly greater detail).

But I hear you folks talking (I think) about statistical accuracy.  My go to for that has always been Diamond Mind (not the current on-line version but the pre-Tippett sale version).

So, given that my desire is to select, say 8 - 10 real-life teams (ranging from 1902, or maybe 1893, to 2020), put them all in a single league, have them play a season using game defined pre-set lineups and pitching rotations, have the computer play all games in 5-10 minutes, let me see the results afterwards, and feel "realistic", can OOTP do that?

Yes, you can do all of that.  You can create your own league, decide how many teams, divisions etc., then import historical teams (the database goes back to the 1880s).  You can automate the games as much as you want to...completely hands off at one end of the spectrum, to managing every pitch on the other side. The game has a bewildering number of options to let the AI run things for you....or do it yourself. You can also pick the "era" you want to play in...deadball era etc.  You can let the AI select lineups, or manage them yourself.  You can also decide if you want farm leagues or international leagues or not. You can also play multiple seasons...the players will age...get injured...etc.  You can also trade and draft if that is what you want...but you don't have to. You can also train players to take other positions. So a guy who plays 2nd base can usually be taught to take 1st...but he might not be as good at it right away.

You can even build your own ballparks if you want to....

I tend to play with graphical depictions of the games and managing each pitch....  But the computer can play the game completely in the background if that is what you want. Or, you can decide to play just certain games, and automate the rest...or go half and half. In fact, the game I posted the log for was only half played by me personally. I played through the 7th inning...then let the computer do the rest.

I don't know much about Diamond Mind...but it seems very similar to OOTP...

For me, the only thing OOTP lacks is historical pictures of the real players....OOTP uses a "face generation" system...that kind of works...but since I know what Ted Williams is supposed to look like...it falls short for me. Fortunately you can turn off player pics if you want to.   

As far as statistical accuracy...I can't really speak to that well. OOTP seems to have thrown in the proverbial "kitchen sink" when it comes to accuracy...and the results feel realistic to me...  One thing OOTP does however, is it rates players for many different skills...like base running, stealing, speed, outfield arm, etc. For historical players, not certain how they came up with these...  but again...they generally "feel" right. But does anyone really know how fast of a base runner Ty Cobb was? OOTP rates Cobb as a 19 year old in 1906 with a running speed of 70 while the average is about 50. Cobb gets an 80 for base stealing and a 75 for base running...and those are very, very good...again, feels right. Player ratings do change with time as players get more experience and then age. For example, Cobb at the age of 19 in 1906 does not have as good of a batting "eye" as he does in later years.
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Rated as the 2nd most valuable player of all time by Bill James.

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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2021, 08:03:59 PM »
Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to make such a detailed post.  Really appreciate it.

Anyone else with any opinions?

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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2021, 03:46:15 AM »
Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to make such a detailed post.  Really appreciate it.

Anyone else with any opinions?

Overall, there are a lot of opinions when it comes to sports games, especially baseball because there are so many of them and loyal fans will always defend their favorite which there is nothing wrong with.  Many of the options do have some kind of demo/money back guarantee so I always encourage people to try them and decide for themselves.  Baseball fans are very passionate about the games they support and if you go into the various official forums you'll have a hard time comparing games as you can imagine since it group really loves the games they play.

Personally I don't think you can compare OOTP to games like Diamond Mind Baseball because they have two different focus areas.  In my opinion, there are roughly (3) categories of baseball games.

Career Management - OOTP, Baseball Mogul, Puresim (not supported anymore but there are hints the original developer starting a new version), etc.
Season Replay - Diamond Mind, Digital Diamond, ActionPC, Replay, Strat, etc.
Arcade/Hands on - MLB the Show, etc.

I have owned just about every version of OOTP and use to play it all the time.  But over the years, so much has been included with options, it can be overwhelming at times to ensure you have everything setup correctly and then manage everything that is going on.  Certainly there are AI assist options and templates for starting leagues but even with those sometimes the game just feels "big" and too much like work.  In the earlier versions, it seemed much more manageable for some reason and just enjoyed it more back then.  With all that said, if your looking for a career management type of game (i.e. progression, trades, building teams, etc.), I can't argue that OOTP is the best out there right now and I still buy the new versions.  But for playing historical one-off season replays, I am not sure it's the best option although you do get the historical stuff included in the game price versus having to pay for each season like most other games.

With the Season replay games there is no career management and your focus is playing a single season to see how you compare against real life.  The main activity is setting up the rosters/rotation/batting orders/strategy and playing out the individual games.  These games appear to be finely tuned to try and match real life outcomes within reason.  Often people will say these games have better historical outcomes and that's not a knock on OOTP as it focus is much more vast while these games focus largely on the one thing.  Even making this statement is subjective since some OOTP fans do believe they have good historical outcomes.  I have played most of these games and they all have their strengths/weaknesses (i.e. how they play, cost, support, etc.) so can't really tell you whether Diamond Mind should be your choice or not.  Personally I play ActionPC the most but that is mostly because I play all their other games (i.e. hockey, basketball, football, golf, etc.) as well.  Most of these have a money back guarantee/demo so I highly recommend trying them before deciding.

As for the arcade/hands on games, not going to spend a lot of time on them as I don't play them much.  This year was the first time I could play MLB the Show and it seems like a very good game.  I just prefer my sports game to be more strategy and less about me actually controlling the players.  Certainly seems to have a deep franchise mode but haven't spent a lot of time analyzing how accurate.

Just my two cents....in the end its great that we have all these choices.



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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2021, 08:12:26 AM »
Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to make such a detailed post.  Really appreciate it.

Anyone else with any opinions?


Career Management - OOTP, Baseball Mogul, Puresim (not supported anymore but there are hints the original developer starting a new version), etc.
Season Replay - Diamond Mind, Digital Diamond, ActionPC, Replay, Strat, etc.
Arcade/Hands on - MLB the Show, etc.



I'll have to check some of these out...
Honus Wagner
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Rated as the 2nd most valuable player of all time by Bill James.

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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2021, 05:16:14 PM »
"OOTP lacks is historical pictures of the real players...."

You can go to the OOTP Forums and download real life photos.  They even go back to the early years.  I'm using them now in my 1964 season.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3638

Download the Gambo and Wil1 photo pack and follow instruction.......
   
« Last Edit: August 03, 2021, 05:19:52 PM by gregb41352 »

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Re: Out of the Park Baseball '22
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2021, 12:39:00 PM »
I have had about three versions of the game.  The only item that was a pain was the stadiums.  You had to go on Steam and join one of the workshops to download the old stadiums.  Then, I would start the season and the stadiums wouldn’t show up on the screen.  I decided to move on and not play anymore.