Russia's War Against Ukraine

[jamus34]

The build philosophy for Soviet / Russian ships does pretty much follow their military philosophy of throwing manpower vs technology at an issue.

The only place they seem to deviate from that is modern air assets. But on the same token they still throw Bear bombers in the sky that can be shot down by almost anything.

[GDS_Starfury]

the Finnish on exercise:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1516859536690356233

[MengJiao]

Would guess that their sending the ship out came down to, "Well, fucking do something! Now!"

  Well, the advanced Krivaks (Krivak Vs ...kinda pushing the idea of a class), the 3500 ton guided missile frigates can shoot 8 hypersonic missiles at land targets.  Even the light frigates can shoot 2.
(so that's about 2-4 other ships they would have out there with some reason) and some big amphibious ships could at least look threatening or even fire unguided rockets at ground targets.  Moskva could
at most fire a pair of 130mm guns at ground targets -- remember the Ukrainians essentially have no navy these days.  So why even take the Moskva in range of any Ukrainian weapons at all?
Except maybe to fly some helicopters?  We know that several Russian ships (and a Turkish ship) either tried to help Moskva or picked up survivors...so there were plenty of other ships the Russians could have
sent out that might even have been able to shoot something substantial at Ukrainian ground targets.

[Dammit Carl!]

Rumsfeldian answer: "You put to sea what you have, not what you need."

[MengJiao]

Rumsfeldian answer: "You put to sea what you have, not what you need."

  Yet, in theory, they could have seriously considered building up the Black Sea Fleet.  Some guided missile destroyers might have helped.  It just suggests that the whole attack on Ukraine was not
well-thought-out on any level.  Apparenly it was supposed to be a cheap, quick operation and not the resulting massive hit to Russia at all levels (eg. Sweden and Finland in NATO, economic chaos, political disaster, massive loss of credibility, new dependence on China etc. etc.).

[JasonPratt]

On a purely personal level, I'm glad to have had Tripoli confirm my suspicion that the Moskva was hyper-designed for first strike offense expecting to clear the seas of threat (no doubt in a combined arms way).

I know that was true back before Barbarossa -- Soviet ships suffered badly from having very little anti-air defense, for example, because the 'scientific' doctrine of attack expected all enemy aircraft to be destroyed on the ground with any few stragglers slaughtered in the skies by overwhelming numbers. But I didn't know for sure if that was still going on in the 80s.

[jamus34]

Rumsfeldian answer: "You put to sea what you have, not what you need."

  Yet, in theory, they could have seriously considered building up the Black Sea Fleet.  Some guided missile destroyers might have helped.  It just suggests that the whole attack on Ukraine was not
well-thought-out on any level.  Apparenly it was supposed to be a cheap, quick operation and not the resulting massive hit to Russia at all levels (eg. Sweden and Finland in NATO, economic chaos, political disaster, massive loss of credibility, new dependence on China etc. etc.).

I'd hate to be Putin's risk assessment officer at this point  :hide:

[Dammit Carl!]

I'd hate to be Putin's risk assessment officer at this point  :hide:

Dude is probably contemplating tasting the business end of a 12 gauge to get out of the mess every day now.

[Gusington]

Is there any such thing as a Soviet Risk Assessment Officer?

[jamus34]

Is there any such thing as a Soviet Risk Assessment Officer?

Considering how many accidents / blunders the Russians have had over the past years I imagine it is not a highly sought after promotion and has a shelf life measured in months.

[Dammit Carl!]

Is there any such thing as a Soviet Risk Assessment Officer?

Russian Magic 8 ball at best (best 2 out of 3 answers for "professionalism,").

[Pete Dero]

Is there any such thing as a Soviet Risk Assessment Officer?

Considering how many accidents / blunders the Russians have had over the past years I imagine it is not a highly sought after promotion and has a shelf life measured in months.

If he is any good at his job he knows not to accept that function.

[steve58]

Fire Rips Through Secret Russian Bureau Responsible for Designing Missiles

Accident or hhhmmmm? :-\

[Sir Slash]

If I were in the Russian Navy in the time of war, I would want to be at sea. It beats the hell out of being conscripted into a Naval Brigade and sent to die in the cities.   #:-)   I'd want to be way out to sea.

[MengJiao]

Fire Rips Through Secret Russian Bureau Responsible for Designing Missiles

Accident or hhhmmmm? :-\

  I think the design bureau tried to shoot itself in the foot (better than being sent to jail for not shooting yourself in the foot), but instead went too far and burned the whole place down in an excess of
shoot-in-the-foot enthusiasm.