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Title: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 11, 2019, 11:17:06 AM
Chers Grognard(e)s,
Dear Grogheads,

After quite a few months of teasing and sweating, the time has finally come to unveil...

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/tfa-poster-compo-small-1.jpg)

Most of you are quite familiar with this game already, as we have posted quite a few updates since last May. As such, this early tech demo might not impress you much, as it is made of a few shorter sequences you all know too well. Still, I think it is a pretty acceptable showcase of the work done so far, even though the reel being all about the tech, the actual gameplay shown in there is close to zero. :hide:


As you can see, beyond the eye candy and the tech under the hood, much – if not most of the work remains to be done. In that regard, I sincerely hope that we will be able to enjoy further the beautiful support the crowd in here has showed over the months. I would like to extend my particular thanks to MC for his invaluable help reviewing the contents of our website, now live and available at the following address :

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/banniere-site.png) (http://www.drydockdreams.games)

WWW.DRYDOCKDREAMS.GAMES (http://www.drydockdreams.games)

We will try to maintain a regular devblog alive over there, the contents of which will find its way to this very topic in the tradition of our former posts (that one might still find in here (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=10341.60)). Still, smaller updates (small pics, sneak peeks, small gifs, etc...) will be posted on our new social media platforms on Facebook & Twitter. You might want to follow us there (and support us by growing the community! :hug:) by clicking on these banners:

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/banniere-facebook-finale-6.png) (https://www.facebook.com/TaskForceAdmiral)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/banniere-twitter-finale-6.png) (https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams)

Now the road is still long and the journey there is a hell of a trek (and that is still an optimistic thing to say), but I consider our team to be lucky to count you, ladies and gents, among our companions in arms of the first hour.

Thank you again for your support, and hopefully we will do what is needed and what is right not to disappoint you when the time to deliver finally comes.

Best,

Amiral & the Team.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 11, 2019, 11:38:44 AM
Good luck, Admiral!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 11, 2019, 11:38:56 AM
Bravo!

Our loins are more moist than the Pacific for this one!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on October 11, 2019, 11:53:45 AM
I think I'm in LOVE. All over again.  :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Barthheart on October 11, 2019, 11:58:59 AM
 :bd:   :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on October 11, 2019, 12:14:23 PM
Wait, you named it after yourself?  ::)  ;)

Looking forward it. O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 11, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
(https://media.tenor.co/images/245117e5ef1fb58c3dd661e4c4668cbb/raw)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on October 11, 2019, 12:48:20 PM
I for one welcome the advent of our new task force admiralords!  :bd: <:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Millipede on October 11, 2019, 02:26:52 PM
Oh damn! Oh damn! Oh damn!      I am waaaaay beyond moistened loins. :dreamer: <:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: CJReich46 on October 11, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
 :D

Best of luck- This looks incredible!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 11, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
What is beyond moistened loins?

NEVERMIND
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FarAway Sooner on October 11, 2019, 05:33:58 PM
Bravo!

Our loins are more moist than the Pacific for this one!
Andrew, you need to be more specific there.  The Pacific is a big place.

Are your loins moistened like a frigid Aleutian ice storm, or are they moistened like the rotting, fecund swamps of the Solomons?

I just want to make sure I get the intended imagery...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MengJiao on October 11, 2019, 06:40:26 PM
Good luck, Admiral!

If they manage to do even about 5% of all this it will be a fantastic game.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on October 11, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
Wow, wow, wow!!!  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Admiral, so happy to finally see this officially announced and a thread you can call you’re own!  :)

Congrats again!

David
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on October 11, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
Best of luck!  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on October 11, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
Hey Admiral, any thought to adding an in-cockpit flight sim mode for those who want to slalom dance with Zekes along side Thatch or take a Hail-Mary run at IJN flattops with Waldron?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 12, 2019, 12:52:23 AM
Thank you gentlemen  :notworthy:
A long way to go, but it's always better to know we won't be strolling alone.  :smitten:

Hey Admiral, any thought to adding an in-cockpit flight sim mode for those who want to slalom dance with Zekes along side Thatch or take a Hail-Mary run at IJN flattops with Waldron?

Well, the reason why we are focusing the on the sim environment rather than gameplay right now is because we want to have the sort of deep, strong foundations that will allow us to develop expansions easily, whether we were to scale up (to a higher command level) or scale down (to a platform sim level) the action. Yeah, eventually, and given the legacy of 1942:Pacific Air War looming menacingly over our collective heads, we hope to be able to provide at least some basic air combat action in a future expansion (typically as a CAP fighter). Not sure if you really want to join John in his Hail-Mary run with his 30knots torpedoes (although as you can see he features prominently on our boxart ^^), but at the very least fighter combat shouldn't be too much of a problem eventually.

But still, I made a commitment to getting naval combat and carrier management right first, and we will do just that before we start expanding downwards or upwards.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on October 12, 2019, 06:55:42 AM
You have me very interested. That video is amazing. This gonna be cmano with its 3d addon in ww2?
I have one thing to say though. A lot of the time these games have a lot of effort put in by the developers on physics and features that mean nothing as the player never sees or more importantly has any control over them. I hope that you guys will make sure the player is not sleeping while all your wonderful effort passes them by. Don’t create a giant tech demo. Like a lot of sims end up being. Seen that too many times.
Also make sure their is a point to the sub missions as well as campaign other than just win. Somehow make the player feel the game. Without punishing them and giving them no way to recover.

Anyways I hope my comments help. You seem like you are heading in the right direction anyways.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Huw the Poo on October 12, 2019, 07:07:35 AM
NEED!  NEED!  NEED!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 12, 2019, 01:28:41 PM

Andrew, you need to be more specific there.  The Pacific is a big place.

Are your loins moistened like a frigid Aleutian ice storm, or are they moistened like the rotting, fecund swamps of the Solomons?

I just want to make sure I get the intended imagery...

They are as moist as the entire volume of its vast oceans!   Moist enough to host their own epic carrier battles and island hopping campaigns.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Barthheart on October 12, 2019, 05:54:10 PM
Man.. you must have large pants.....
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 15, 2019, 08:36:42 AM
Thank you everybody. There won't be a need for close-up pant inspection though, I take your word for it  :coolsmiley:

You have me very interested. That video is amazing. This gonna be cmano with its 3d addon in ww2?
I have one thing to say though. A lot of the time these games have a lot of effort put in by the developers on physics and features that mean nothing as the player never sees or more importantly has any control over them. I hope that you guys will make sure the player is not sleeping while all your wonderful effort passes them by. Don’t create a giant tech demo. Like a lot of sims end up being. Seen that too many times.
Also make sure their is a point to the sub missions as well as campaign other than just win. Somehow make the player feel the game. Without punishing them and giving them no way to recover.

Anyways I hope my comments help. You seem like you are heading in the right direction anyways.

Of course, any comment help, even tough ones.
Yes, you might call that CMANO in 3D in WW2, except that a few simplifications might be needed here and there. We want this to run on as many computers as possible, it means that we *might* not simulate single .30 slugs coming out from each and every AA machineguns aboard Lexington when the crew are firing at a plane at any given time if we want the whole thing to actually run on a personal computer (that is, if you're not working at NASA. And if you do, you know you cannot speak for us peons, do you!). We might have to simplify under a certain caliber, or that would be simply too much lead to deal with if you don't have a personal version of a Cray computer.

Regarding the game being cute, well we're not keen on micro management, and you will have plenty of time to admire the action. You're the flag officer, you're not steering the ship during an attack - like Fletcher himself told his staff at Midway, once you put your tin hat, there's not much more you can do other than watch the action unfold. In that regard, it's not that different from watching a combat replay in War in the Pacific. Except that this Val is diving at your face, guns are thumping all around you, water from near misses is showering the flight deck and the chatter on the CAP circuit is actually related to what you see.

But I get your point though - this video is a tech demo because it is made as a tech demo, we needed it for getting in touch with the authorities for some industry subsidies. Our expectation is to be able to release more and more in-game and interface contents as time goes, and ultimately some actual gameplay as soon as possible. For some reasons, I needed to get public early on, so it's still a bit bare-bone - but as you can see, the spirit is there, and quite alive it is!

Again, your comment is very reasonable. And I will not inspect your pants either, no worries!  ^-^
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 16, 2019, 07:59:04 PM
Looks like you're starting to get some fans out there Admiral....

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 17, 2019, 01:56:44 AM
Thank you for the heads-up!  :notworthy:
Heading over there to do my thing  :arr:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Ian C on October 17, 2019, 03:07:30 AM
Posted in wrong thread.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on October 18, 2019, 09:35:55 AM
I have spread the word and the first look vid to the "Few Good Men" wargaming club.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 21, 2019, 08:09:50 AM
Thank you for your support, kind Sir! ^^
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 21, 2019, 10:22:11 PM
What is beyond moistened loins?

Hello  ^-^
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GDS_Starfury on October 21, 2019, 10:25:41 PM
Thank you everybody. There won't be a need for close-up pant inspection though, I take your word for it  :coolsmiley:

You have me very interested. That video is amazing. This gonna be cmano with its 3d addon in ww2?
I have one thing to say though. A lot of the time these games have a lot of effort put in by the developers on physics and features that mean nothing as the player never sees or more importantly has any control over them. I hope that you guys will make sure the player is not sleeping while all your wonderful effort passes them by. Don’t create a giant tech demo. Like a lot of sims end up being. Seen that too many times.
Also make sure their is a point to the sub missions as well as campaign other than just win. Somehow make the player feel the game. Without punishing them and giving them no way to recover.

Anyways I hope my comments help. You seem like you are heading in the right direction anyways.

Of course, any comment help, even tough ones.
Yes, you might call that CMANO in 3D in WW2, except that a few simplifications might be needed here and there. We want this to run on as many computers as possible, it means that we *might* not simulate single .30 slugs coming out from each and every AA machineguns aboard Lexington when the crew are firing at a plane at any given time if we want the whole thing to actually run on a personal computer (that is, if you're not working at NASA. And if you do, you know you cannot speak for us peons, do you!). We might have to simplify under a certain caliber, or that would be simply too much lead to deal with if you don't have a personal version of a Cray computer.

Regarding the game being cute, well we're not keen on micro management, and you will have plenty of time to admire the action. You're the flag officer, you're not steering the ship during an attack - like Fletcher himself told his staff at Midway, once you put your tin hat, there's not much more you can do other than watch the action unfold. In that regard, it's not that different from watching a combat replay in War in the Pacific. Except that this Val is diving at your face, guns are thumping all around you, water from near misses is showering the flight deck and the chatter on the CAP circuit is actually related to what you see.

so something around the idea of a WW2 / Homeworld control?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 22, 2019, 06:51:08 AM
Stop teasing like that you dastardly rake!!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on October 22, 2019, 09:10:03 AM
Nobody does, 'dastardly' better than Star.  :clap:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 22, 2019, 11:13:55 AM
Very true.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 24, 2019, 10:19:06 AM
so something around the idea of a WW2 / Homeworld control?

Now that I am getting close to finally posting our second devblog post - that somewhat answers the central question of what this game is and isn't - I finally found a way to define it at the expense of my most excellent fellow game makers.

- The central gameplay plays like real-time Carriers at War on steroids (with much deeper carrier ops management);
- The C3i, Fog of War, narrative and main player interface plays like Radio Commander ;
- 3D environment is simulation-like, and will feel like Il-2 (better than 1946, more crude than BoX).

Mix all of this and you get Vol.1, pretty much  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 24, 2019, 11:24:01 AM
LOINS...BURSTING
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 24, 2019, 12:11:56 PM
Looks like things are proceeding quite well!

So I uh...assume this will be feature complete and bug free and released by Christmas....right?  So our wait it soon to be over, yeah?  I mean, how hard can it be.   ;)




Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 26, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
A new devblog update, ladies & gentlemen  :peace:
https://drydockdreams.games/2019/10/26/making-waves/

Well you people will learn nothing new, but there are a few pics of our new SBD, our Akagi, our Kaga (well, like on the TV!), our torpedoes and, last but not least, our new clouds. Let's say they... look pretty good  :dreamer:

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/wechat-image_20191024212349.png)

Looks like things are proceeding quite well!

So I uh...assume this will be feature complete and bug free and released by Christmas....right?  So our wait it soon to be over, yeah?  I mean, how hard can it be.   ;)

You had me there. How did you know that we already planned on failing our Halloween release date and push everything back to Christmas? Who are your spies and how much do you pay them?  :knuppel2:

More seriously, I had that kind of guys over at Youtube. People telling us pretty much that I can shove that game up our collective butts for one reason or another (what, PACIFIC? what, US ONLY? what, SINGLE PLAYER ONLY? what, DID I FORGET THE MILK THIS MORNING?). It's nothing much, but as long as it is more than 1% of the total of likes (that is, 1,1% as we speak) it WILL bother my ego  :hide:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IronX on October 26, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
The models are very cool, but I think the environment is amazing. Perhaps the best I've seen.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on October 26, 2019, 05:15:45 PM
You're not going to please everyone, no matter what you include.  Do your best and it will be enough.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on October 26, 2019, 08:27:59 PM

You had me there. How did you know that we already planned on failing our Halloween release date and push everything back to Christmas? Who are your spies and how much do you pay them?  :knuppel2:

More seriously, I had that kind of guys over at Youtube. People telling us pretty much that I can shove that game up our collective butts for one reason or another (what, PACIFIC? what, US ONLY? what, SINGLE PLAYER ONLY? what, DID I FORGET THE MILK THIS MORNING?). It's nothing much, but as long as it is more than 1% of the total of likes (that is, 1,1% as we speak) it WILL bother my ego  :hide:

Haha!  Yeah, you're going to get a lot of the "WHEN?" people so I just wanted to get on the early bird bus.  However much I want it "NOW" I'm sure I speak for all of us that we want you to take your time and do it right.

And I don't know why anyone would not be excited by what you're turning out.   I mean, much like Battlecruiser 3000AD this is the last thing I will ever desire. 

Don't let them discourage you.   You get my money the instant you ask for it.   
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 26, 2019, 10:17:18 PM
Thank you Andrew  :notworthy:
Well yeah, haters gonna hate, nothing new there I s'ppose.
I am also surprised at the great reception in the Chinese community. I mean, our video as many hits over there than it did on Youtube. One more social outlet to take care of, geez  :hide:

In the meantime, we still have a game to make and that road is still long. I'll consider taking everybody's money once we'll have made sure we actually have some good gameplay to show in return  ::)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on October 27, 2019, 11:44:08 AM
Insert obvious joke here about wishing they could have fought the Japanese on the sea / slash / needing to study for using their new aircraft carriers soon!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 02, 2019, 08:33:18 AM
Dear Forum,

I have been neglecting you a bit lately, as our numerous platforms have taken the mantle of spamming the rest of the internet with our stuff. Still, I thought you'd might enjoy a few screens for our upcoming videos.

We are currently working on the ship dodging AI, shipborne Flak, Dive-Bomber AI logic & visual effects. You're grown ups, I probably don't need to tell you what is happening before your eyes, do I? Enjoy  :peace:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49000513343_6e567c4827_o.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EISay7-XYAArKQh?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EISay71W4AAreqM?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EISay76XkAIieeK?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EISM6L2XsAAMR-t?format=png&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIWaRigX0AE4Dyb?format=png&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIWaRhuW4AAmvE7?format=png&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIWaRhyXYAAt8y6?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIWaRhxXsAA757x?format=jpg&name=medium)

(trying to host it directly from Twitter - does it work?  :hide:)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on November 02, 2019, 09:34:53 AM

[/quote]

- The C3i, Fog of War, narrative and main player interface plays like Radio Commander ;

[/quote]

This radio commander concept has a lot of potential if implemented with military dialog / radio procedures (or just reasonably close).  I look forward to seeing how this interesting concept can be used in a realistic/believable manner in this game.  The screenshots for Task Force look very cool.             
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on November 02, 2019, 09:52:38 AM
Here is a training film on dive bombing that might be useful.

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/DiveBombing.html
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 03, 2019, 12:33:06 AM

Quote

- The C3i, Fog of War, narrative and main player interface plays like Radio Commander ;


This radio commander concept has a lot of potential if implemented with military dialog / radio procedures (or just reasonably close).  I look forward to seeing how this interesting concept can be used in a realistic/believable manner in this game.  The screenshots for Task Force look very cool.             
Thank you  :notworthy:

Here is a training film on dive bombing that might be useful.

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/DiveBombing.html

Thanks Besilarius

No worries, we have that covered, been using this one extensively - and some other sources - for the final result :)
Can't wait to see it in motion!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: LoganismyHERO on November 04, 2019, 07:39:40 AM
This thread is internet porn.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on November 04, 2019, 11:21:30 AM
Hawt.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on November 05, 2019, 06:49:39 AM
Admiral, you probably already have seen this training video on Landing and deck spotting, but the interested fans may find this fun.

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Landing.html

It is up for free viewing through the end of the month.  Didn't spot the date of the movie, but it most be earlier than 1943 when Jocko Clark introduced tractors on Yorktown.  That saved a lot of sweat for the spotting crew,s as the planes became heavier and heavier, and kept them from becoming fatigued on a busy day.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Millipede on November 05, 2019, 12:12:08 PM
Thanks for that Besilarius... really cool video. Your comment about the likely date and tractors being introduced got me wondering, while watching the video, when the last F4F squadron was upgraded to F6F's. I'll bet some Grog has the answer.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: CJReich46 on November 05, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
Thanks for that Besilarius... really cool video. Your comment about the likely date and tractors being introduced got me wondering, while watching the video, when the last F4F squadron was upgraded to F6F's. I'll bet some Grog has the answer.

I found some info on a modeling site.  It states around mid-1942 when they were introduced for the Yorktown and Essex classes. Notably to help move the TBF Avenger as that plane was very heavy.  Hope this helps somewhat.
https://www.carrierbuilders.net/element/element.php?id=998

Suggestion?  How about contacting the US Navy's Aviation Museum in Pensacola, FL?
https://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/education/emil-buehler-library/
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on November 06, 2019, 10:46:55 AM
You're grown ups, I probably don't need to tell you what is happening before your eyes, do I?

Oh, that's a training flight about to disappear in the Bermuda Triangle!  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 09, 2019, 03:28:27 PM
Hello everybody!
Saturday came and went and it's porn season again.
That is, for people who can value the company of a TBD - not everybody can, mind you. But those who can will love what follows.

These TBDs in their Midway-era livery are actually able now to
- take off ;
- orbit & form up as a squadron ;
- form up with other squadrons within a common package ;
- assume different formations depending on the nature of their navigation leg (echelon, vic, line astern, attack formation, etc...) ;
- pick a target as a unit ;
- split for a pincer attack ;
- drop a torpedo within launch parameters (and right now they run flawlessly - until we make them flawed, of course)
- regroup and head home ;
- enter the landing pattern and land aboard one by one.

Looks way better in motion, but expect to see this soon enough (screens are taken from the video file, sorry for the quality!)



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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on November 09, 2019, 03:37:04 PM
 :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IronX on November 09, 2019, 03:56:30 PM
Oh lawdy!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on November 09, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
“Sorry for the quality”


Umm, yeah... if this is ‘poor quality’, I’m dying to see this when good....!

Just amazing work!

David
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on November 09, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Having just returned from seeing "Midway", I approve.  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JudgeDredd on November 09, 2019, 05:12:16 PM
Having just returned from seeing "Midway", I approve.  :notworthy:
You liked Midway?  :-\
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Skoop on November 09, 2019, 05:24:44 PM
^You didn't ?

Was it because it wasn't Dunkirk ?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Skoop on November 09, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Having just returned from seeing "Midway", I approve.  :notworthy:

Too bad this wasn't releasing along with the movie.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: gregb41352 on November 09, 2019, 05:54:25 PM
Having just returned from seeing "Midway", I approve.  :notworthy:

How was "Midway"?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on November 09, 2019, 07:52:35 PM
You're grown ups, I probably don't need to tell you what is happening before your eyes, do I?

Oh, that's a training flight about to disappear in the Bermuda Triangle!  O0

Those are SBDs. The flight that disappeared in the Triangle (Flight 19) was comprised of TBM Avengers (and also a Martin flying boat that went to look for them).
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on November 09, 2019, 09:06:11 PM
I heard Midway.... bombed.  :2funny: Sorry, too easy.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 12, 2019, 05:45:01 AM
Thank you boys  :hug:
Hot damn, visiting the parents in the French countryside - our prehistoric DSL with its ludicrous upload limit is killing me... :pullhair:
Wanted to post a few GIFs, but it might need to wait for me to catch a train to a more connected place first, I am afraid  :'(
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: bobarossa on November 12, 2019, 08:16:19 AM
DSL = Dead Slow Link
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on November 12, 2019, 05:36:17 PM
DSL = Dead Slow Link

Still, DSL was a revelation of bounties after years of dialup in the 90's.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on November 12, 2019, 05:44:09 PM
 The Devastator has never seen so much love!  ;)  Too bad they weren't a little better at planting their seed.  ;D That's in regard to what I saw at simhq, are those in this thread yet?  I don't always log in and you can't see the images here if you don't.  Ah, never mind, they are here.  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on November 13, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
I did like the film Midway well enough; but I meant I approve of the snapshots.  O0

As usual.  :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 13, 2019, 02:01:15 PM
No worries em2, I pretty much centralize everything in this topic :)
Then I post them elsewhere. You won't miss much in here, but the best way is still to follow us on FB or Twitter still (a few bonuses here and there!).

At any rate, here's a homecoming for our torpedoing heroes. A scene seen none too often with these Midway Camos  :-[
Rest well, VT heroes!

(right click on the screens to display them at their normal size, btw)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49059548588_7ac878c450_o.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49060280927_a71bb2b13e_o.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49059544003_bd26513d27_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on November 14, 2019, 07:11:11 PM
Zinc chromate excites me!  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 18, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
A small cookie before bed. We're putting together a small dev update reel for the end of the month. In the meantime, watch them angry birds roam around the mountains of Guadalcanal, looking for a prey... And flying in formation (which was, arguably, the actual challenge in this exercise).

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on November 18, 2019, 05:26:41 PM
 :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on November 19, 2019, 07:06:38 AM
They fly kind of like me trying to keep formation! -- except a little better than me.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 20, 2019, 04:44:51 AM
Oh well some of them had a tough time climbing up the steep slopes of SOPAC mountains. You see, lugging a 1-ton fish under your belly ain't so much fun when you are a guy that big with an engine so small  #:-)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/1/2/122e2ea0ea10fa3f67c6c217b91ac950675a6c29.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/9/7/97c546ec6e9e500acfe5737468db1f9f3bc607ef.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/0/7/07cb7a7365dcaa4e451d3bd4fe88a4860411c380.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/e/9/e94a69d0637b974ecd19d843ede4011746375856.jpeg)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on November 21, 2019, 06:54:14 AM
Fully understandable!

I'd rather have realistic formation attempts that sometimes fail due to environmental problems and simulated operator error, than robo-formations rubber-banding along.

So alles klar! -- wait, wrong team.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 27, 2019, 12:24:59 PM
Thank you for your support Jason :notworthy:

Here is a new small sequence illustrating our Dive Bomber AI in action. Videos never hurt (well, except when you're Hiryu, that is).

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on November 27, 2019, 12:26:20 PM
‘Ouch.’
-Hiryu
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on November 27, 2019, 01:08:25 PM
‘Ouch.’
-Hiryu

Keep talking dirty.   :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on November 27, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
Wow...! This is just looking better and better.

And yes videos bring out a lot more than static images. Glad to see that the flak is about as effective as it was historically....

David
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on November 27, 2019, 05:08:08 PM
‘Ouch.’
-Hiryu

痛い! 私のエレベーター!!!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: verdugo94 on November 28, 2019, 12:26:06 AM
It looks gorgeus! Do you have any kind of multiplayer in mind? real time or pbem? Thanks you
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: smithcorp on November 28, 2019, 12:28:22 AM
Really looking forward to this
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on November 28, 2019, 10:27:32 AM
Clearly you have a built-in audience here Admiral.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 29, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Thank you guys  O0

Look, it's Yorktown telling me you boys are awesome. Hello there, girl!

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/649987686135889920/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on November 29, 2019, 02:35:57 PM
Is that an in game screenshot? Reflections on the water makes it look like an oil painting. Spectacular  :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 30, 2019, 04:47:37 AM
Nah, that's more of a loadscreen - some 3D art (for the warship) and 2D art from our artist for the rest. Will make for a nice postcard or poster artwork for the Deluxe edition I guess...  :-"

The scene is taken from 1976 Midway, by the way!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: verdugo94 on December 05, 2019, 02:27:32 AM
It looks gorgeus! Do you have any kind of multiplayer in mind? real time or pbem? Thanks you

I see no answer to this..  :-[ has this been asked and answered before? Thanks you
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 05, 2019, 08:57:01 AM
Oh sorry Verdugo! I might have missed your post. Apologies.

No, no multiplayer planned for vol.1. We had to draw the line somewhere (there, and elsewhere) so that we might keep our goals realistic and our focus tight. It will have to wait for vol.2 and a playable IJN side. We will get there, eventually, but as we say in French, "one cannot dance faster than the music plays" :)

Last time the IJN tried to force on the world a multiplayer mode unprepared, it was in December 1941. Didn't end well for them, I can tell you that.
About that, actually...

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/MqaS9EFc69rspuyvoBk3TmeaOV3eu0RHeGlx0FLafYyyZGKlcmvBFcZcYtYhYaadWqIHYxBuy5UuEQ=s593-nd-rwa)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 05, 2019, 11:05:40 AM
Yes? ANSWER DAMMIT
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 05, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
Ah damn.
Just tried on my phone, the GIF doesn't display. But on my desktop, it does.
Does it mean Gusington can't see it?  :dreamer:
Does it mean it only shows itself to the worthy?  :-"
What does one have to do to be worthy?  :tickedoff:
Have I dreamed this picture?  :uglystupid2:
Damn. More questions now...

(yet seriously if you people can't see the GIF at all please tell me. Oopsie)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 05, 2019, 05:10:41 PM
I see a gif in the post above Gus' that is so awesome that it's making my eyes bleed from insane awesomeness. 

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 05, 2019, 07:06:37 PM
I can see it now on my home PC!

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 06, 2019, 06:38:40 AM
Sorry Gus.
Let's say you deserve a treat. Here's a cutie pie that happens to be a big Mamma at the same time - a.k.a. Kaga-chan, just fresh from the paintshop. Say hi to the guys darling!
(don't forget to scroll to the right...)

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(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/b/d/bdcf8ac1555b52415272824029c7678fbf075244.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/3/0/301f787818c51b4d1b9f11705770e4440882fb9a.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/5/c/5c9ef6a6077796b43eb92350307da8e2266727fd.jpeg)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 06, 2019, 06:52:19 AM
That...is a spicy meatball.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: LoganismyHERO on December 06, 2019, 07:38:20 AM
Anyone have an extra absorbent towel? I seem to have wet myself quite proper.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 06, 2019, 07:40:36 AM
 :-[
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on December 06, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
Man! I'd like to come-down hard on her deck.  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 06, 2019, 12:15:42 PM
 :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on December 06, 2019, 01:02:53 PM
I am sorry. But she asked for it.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 06, 2019, 01:12:35 PM
 :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 06, 2019, 01:44:09 PM
This is making me very excited.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MC on December 06, 2019, 06:24:23 PM
This is making me very excited.

Define "Excited"  :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GroggyGrognard on December 06, 2019, 06:37:52 PM
Hey now, that's a good looking broad...

...deck.



Groggy
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on December 06, 2019, 08:29:20 PM
Yes. Bow or Aft, I could start at either end with her.  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 07, 2019, 02:12:50 AM
She looks even better in heavy seas, all roughed up!

Might have to get her lower on the water though (same for most ships, we are a bit optimistic in that regard)

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/sgg7vRqx-yeW1_joOKu3EK02ozPkrHFKhSS0NjW8xGvN0j28CA5eMb9DnaU3xIiHnnUvK1jelTjDKA=s600-nd-rwa)

At any rate, everybody have a peaceful, kind and spiritual Pearl Harbor remembrance day.
Take care and stay safe! And our thanks to all the Vets, Servicemen & Servicewomen who are reading us!  o7
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 07, 2019, 08:20:30 AM
DO NOT DEFINE EXCITED
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 07, 2019, 08:32:04 AM
Well,
If you do,
DON'T POST PICS :hide:

(Unless it involves attractive women with any given amount of clothing, of course :dreamer:)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on December 07, 2019, 09:03:22 AM
Gus, 'Kaga' in Japanese means, "Not For You".  #:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 07, 2019, 03:03:33 PM
DO NOT DEFINE EXCITED

But......

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 07, 2019, 03:47:47 PM
NO BUT STUFF
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FarAway Sooner on December 07, 2019, 04:54:11 PM
You guys talking about landing on her are thinking way too hospitably.

I really like her lines.  I'd love to plunge a torpedo into her right about midships myself...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GroggyGrognard on December 07, 2019, 06:52:29 PM
I really like her lines.  I'd love to plunge a torpedo into her right about midships myself...

I'm more of a port man myself.


Groggy
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 07, 2019, 06:53:41 PM
I would like to see her sail into the wind and launch a strike force of Kate Torpedo Bombers...

Wait, I'm not doing this right...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 07, 2019, 08:38:21 PM
NO BUT STUFF

Does it mean NO BUTT STUFF either?  :-\
Ok, then you get one of her flatter, plainer sisters instead. Unlike Kaga, the lines of this one ain't the twerk-compatible kind I'd say.
Have to listen to the ways of the Gus, don't wanna get banned or anything - but if you don't like what you see, BLAME HIM! :knuppel2:

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/b1659bb083210caa7bfc6516eff1afa1/shoho1.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/804a0619f6bafcace00cd9a4bdc0562e/shoho3.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/db93404ac241b8fee8b978a988f5a4ec/shoho5.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/39521def65527e345b79bae13d361528/shoho4.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 07, 2019, 09:01:23 PM
I could absolutely dive a 500lb bomb into that! 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 07, 2019, 09:04:32 PM
‘No butt stuff’ is up to the er...ship?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 07, 2019, 09:06:30 PM
‘No butt stuff’ is up to the er...ship?

It's nice to be polite to a lady like that.  Get her a bottle of wine before you send in the torpedo.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 07, 2019, 09:49:16 PM
Chivalrous!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on December 07, 2019, 10:07:15 PM
I like mine with more curves. She's too flat for me I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on December 07, 2019, 10:30:35 PM
I like mine with more curves. She's too flat for me I'm afraid.

It's the ittiy bitty island committee.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 07, 2019, 11:22:58 PM
I like mine with more curves. She's too flat for me I'm afraid.

Yeah, no wonder when the guy finally scored her, he felt the need to boast "Scratch one flattop!"
People didn't care about being offensive back in the days.  :cowboy:

(well yes it is Shoho btw)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on December 08, 2019, 06:17:10 PM
For those who are interested in the early Pacific War, Thomas Cleaver (author of Pacific Thunder) is doing a daily posting on Facebook.
Each day, he is recounting what happened on the same date in 1941.
Here is a tidbit on Wake Island

https://www.facebook.com/thomas.cleaver.710/posts/2560583280839564
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 08, 2019, 06:47:32 PM
Hello there Besilarius! Thanks!
I am interested, but the link doesn't work - maybe one needs to be friend with the gentleman first? Or should it point to a page/group?
Just reaching for his personal profile will only show older posts...  ???
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on December 08, 2019, 09:30:59 PM
I guess that you do need to put in a friend request.  The link works for me, and it never occurred to me that only Friends could see it.
Cleaver is a really good writer and has done a lot of research.  Here is an excerpt from today's post:

 While the defenders at Wake endured the second day of attacks, USS Saratoga (CV-3) departed NAS North Island and cleared Point Loma. Flying the flag of Rear Admiral Aubrey Fitch as flagship of Carrier Division One and Task Force 15, the accompanying fleet included the heavy cruisers Astoria (CA-34), Minneapolis (CA-36) and San Francisco (CA-38), nine destroyers, the seaplane tender/transport USS Tangier (AV-8) and the fleet oiler USS Neches (AO-5).

Once clear of land, Saratoga turned into the wind and brought Air Group Three aboard. First to catch a wire on the freshly-renovated carrier was Lt. Commander John S. “Jimmy” Thach, commanding Fighting Three’s 18 F4F-3s and the Navy’s leading exponent of aerial gunnery; he was soon followed by Senior Division Leader Lieutenant Edward H. “Butch” O’Hare, who had graduated from Pensacola in May 1940 and started in the squadron as Thach’s wingman. As Executive Officer at that time, Thach was responsible for the squadron’s gunnery training; he later declared O’Hare was the best gunnery student he had ever encountered in his ten years as a naval aviator. During the fleet gunnery competition that November, eight of sixteen Fighting Three pilots had qualified for the coveted "Gunnery E," and Ensign O'Hare won the fleet trophy for best gunnery.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on December 10, 2019, 02:45:56 PM
Incidentally, for snapshots? If you add width=x to your {img} command code, you'll not only automatically scale them, but they'll be click-expandable (and back).

Samples adjusted for coding below. I find the 1024 pixel width works best across the widest number of systems.

Ok, then you get one of her flatter, plainer sisters instead. Unlike Kaga, the lines of this one ain't the twerk-compatible kind I'd say.
Have to listen to the ways of the Gus, don't wanna get banned or anything - but if you don't like what you see, BLAME HIM! :knuppel2:

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/b1659bb083210caa7bfc6516eff1afa1/shoho1.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/804a0619f6bafcace00cd9a4bdc0562e/shoho3.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/db93404ac241b8fee8b978a988f5a4ec/shoho5.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5de00c87af02376b825f0fbc/39521def65527e345b79bae13d361528/shoho4.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on December 10, 2019, 02:47:39 PM
(Meanwhile, good grief, where's the bridge on that converted carrier?! Really far up front I suppose?)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 10, 2019, 05:27:45 PM
Aye Jason. I used to do that but, but afterwards in the morning from bed I realized it doesn't even prevent display issues on a phone... But you're right, at least it does on a desktop machine. I'll try to keep to this good practice  :nerd:

Regarding Shoho, you can see the bridge here, under the flight deck. That's not the kind of carrier where anybody on the bridge would end up with a suntan by mistake, that's for sure...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Sh%C5%8Dh%C5%8D.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 11, 2019, 09:30:08 AM
Hello there everybody - a small announcement of ours!

A little message to tell you that we've just - belatedly I'll admit - set up a mailing list for our website in order to keep you aware of DDG/Task Force Admiral most important announcements. 🥳

As you might have noticed, in the age of social networks, not a single one of them guarantees that a message like this one will actually show up in a user's feed. For an indie studio like ours, it means that we might very well miss an opportunity to tell you about the single most important piece of news happening to us simply because Youtube, Facebook, Twitter or whatever will have decided that it doesn't deserve the spotlight. 🥺 And although we all know you are men of courage and honor, you might very well - God forbid! - forget to visit Grogheads for a couple days (what would happen then - THE WORLD WONDERS).

We are doing what every experienced Indie we've met or watched so far told us to do: set up a mailing list. It appears that it is, by far, the  most reliable way to get in touch with you for the BIG NEWS. ❤️

When the time to launch on Steam comes, getting as quickly as possible a few thousand hits on the wishlist button can be the difference between large-scale awareness and oblivion. We count on those among you willing to give a hand to enlist to your nearest station by subscribing on the following link.

https://drydockdreams.games/contact/

 We guarantee 0% SPAM, 0% BS and 100% important info. We hate spammers as much as you do, and we will make sure to use this tool only when the importance of the message (Steam store page launch, Kickstarter, publishing deals, etc...) warrants a "all hands to battlestations" P.A. affair. 😇

 Great thanks to all among you who will trust us with their email address. We promise to be good boys - don't worry, we learn from the guys at HYPO how to keep our secrets 🤫

 Cheers!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on December 11, 2019, 12:40:59 PM
Done!  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 11, 2019, 01:09:27 PM
I don’t understand the concept of ‘not visiting grogheads.’
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on December 11, 2019, 01:47:28 PM
Followeded.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: bobarossa on December 11, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
Follicled!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on December 11, 2019, 05:11:09 PM
Done.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on December 11, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
Regarding Shoho, you can see the bridge here, under the flight deck. That's not the kind of carrier where anybody on the bridge would end up with a suntan by mistake, that's for sure...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Sh%C5%8Dh%C5%8D.jpg)

Yep, what I thought; just didn't have a good angle on the prior model snapshots.

I know they're clunky as all hell, but I reaaallly like the ad-hoc innovation of these types of carriers.  :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on December 11, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
Regarding Shoho, you can see the bridge here, under the flight deck. That's not the kind of carrier where anybody on the bridge would end up with a suntan by mistake, that's for sure...

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Sh%C5%8Dh%C5%8D.jpg)

Yep, what I thought; just didn't have a good angle on the prior model snapshots.

I know they're clunky as all hell, but I reaaallly like the ad-hoc innovation of these types of carriers.  :smitten:

Little factoid-There was a bit of a debate in the 1930's about(I believe)  the USS RANGER.  The aviators really didn't want an Island, as it reduced the space on the flightdeck. However, the importance of the island  for both conning the ship, flight operations, and a place to put the stacks, thereby enabling a higher speed won out.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on December 13, 2019, 06:36:53 AM
Enlisted  <:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 18, 2019, 07:06:19 PM
Thank you boys  :notworthy:
On our end things have been a little calm lately because we're focusing on mechanics under the hood - and because yours truly is an unworthy worm who makes other people sweat but seemingly never finds time of his own to make videos and screenshots  :pullhair:

I will post something over the weekend hopefully. Gotta make things right.
In the meantime, please quench your thirst with Sea Power, they are a worthy distraction  :))
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 21, 2019, 10:20:19 AM
Playing around a bit with torpedoes in preparation for the final devblog video   :coolsmiley:

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IronX on December 21, 2019, 11:31:24 AM
Looks great!

Is the speed currently accurate? They appear to be moving quite fast.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 21, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
Thanks!

Speed will depend on the torp and as such is a value that is tweakable. Not sure what the setting was here, but the IJN Type 91 was rated at 42 knots - that's 48 MPH or 78km/h. At its shortest range setting (which was still 9 clicks...!) sub-launched Type 95 was rated at 90+ km/h. So was the Long Lance itself at its shortest range setting (that is... 22km!). If you check them from up-close with the right focal, they sure will look fast.

The US air-launched Mk13, on the other hand, was known for being slower than a cruiser or a carrier at flank speed, which was a bit of a problem indeed - especially early on with a vulnerable platform and terrible launch parameters...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IronX on December 21, 2019, 01:21:00 PM
I see what you mean. It's probably just the angle we're looking at. Those IJN torpedoes certainly were fast!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 24, 2019, 09:40:59 AM
It's past Midnight on this side of the Earth...

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341312952344772608/659066136188420097/mmexport1576739580645.jpg)

Merry Christmas to all the Ladies and Gentlemen roaming these lands :)
And best wishes to you and all those you care about.

Cheers

The DDG Team
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on December 24, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
Is that the Eight DeerPower-engined Mk IV. Santa Sleigh taking off?

Merry X-mas to you all as well  <:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 28, 2019, 07:14:56 AM
A romantic take on the Akagi GIF we sent earlier - now with sound and proper metal reflections :)



By the way, a thought for all servicemen and merchantmen who will spend the New Year at sea - take care and be safe  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on December 28, 2019, 07:55:27 AM
Did you put that together? Give yourself a raise!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on December 28, 2019, 08:15:31 AM
Better than much CGI seen in high budget movies. I tend to think that you guys can't surprise me any more and yet you still do with every new video  :clap:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 29, 2019, 09:29:41 PM
Thank you guys!
Nah, there's nothing really outstanding in there - I praise the original quality of the sound recording.
The gent who made that sure had a great sound capture system - and (completely OT, but well) he is an outstanding video artist by the way, check this:



Right now environmentals are basic in the way they are included to the game, nothing fancy. We need to work on the distance & all to make sure it sounds about right at any height, any distance. But it's a first step ;)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on December 30, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
Amazing cinematography and sound! You seem to be finding the crème de la crème to collaborate with!

i have been to Tokyo many times and the video artist captured it perfectly - its a fantastic destination city within a unique culture...!

David

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 31, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
Ah well, I sent him a mail a few days ago to keep him updated about what we're doing with his sounds, hopefully I will hear from him soon enough  :P
He lets people have complete free use of his sounds, but I guess he's entitled to know where these end up  :coolsmiley:

At any rate, in the name of the team, and to all of you Ladies, Gentlemen & everyone/everything else,

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/333605934096187403/661614639058255883/carte_voeux2_-_taille_normale.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on December 31, 2019, 04:03:42 PM
I'm eagery looking forward to this - thanks for taking on a project of this scale and making the effort to do it justice. I note that you mentioned making the game scalable for future development, and I'd like to second this effort. My dream navy game will let me look out from the bridge of the USS Washington off Savo Island and/or commanding a modest Hunter-Killer group in the Atlantic. I don't need to command the ships personally (though it'd be fun), but just to have a camera view from the bridge or conning tower would be pretty amazing. I look forward to your game very much.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 01, 2020, 08:38:00 PM
Thank you for the kind words Hellfish! We will do our best to make 2020 a good year for you - and us  :peace: :notworthy:

We posted a New Year update on the website. Don't hesitate to come have a look :

https://drydockdreams.games/2020/01/01/new-years-resolutions/

Not a lot of new stuff for those who have been closely following this topic - for the others, it's arguably always quite better than nothing ^^

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/5-1.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 10, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
Some new stuff for the braves (at least those who are brave enough to live without social networks nowadays  :coolsmiley:). No comment, but open to any question, of course  :-"  ;)

First of all, a first look at our air ops planner. Our dev is busy trying to make sure that the AI does the job (that is, managing the flight deck after your directives, launching & recovering). And it does it surprisingly well already!

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665252924443721768/ENwu-HlU8AABbIY.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665252937119039529/ENwu-H3UUAEfncX.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665252951216095273/ENwu-HoUcAUfcum.png)

A few ship updates too, with USS Northampton, HMNZS Leander & Japanese auxiliaries joining the fleet

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665252973823393822/ENcdiFIUwAACHXp.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253010024169474/ENcdiFIUEAApMRW.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253025081720842/ENcdiFHUEAEu0Wa.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253038273069096/ENcdiFIU8AAdaRC.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5db344885e620b54b52a1a88/87b8f77917cd36f13da571752eaa97f7/LEANDER_2.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5db344885e620b54b52a1a88/55e64ddf604cdd9844490f992a69f7a1/LEANDER_1.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5db344885e620b54b52a1a88/901cdbd2493aa558fd384ee43f5fb5a3/LEANDER_3.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5db344885e620b54b52a1a88/40337866d4826221e616d7f78cba7463/LEANDER_4.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253120581959690/EN2VG9hU8AImZx_.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253132577800193/EN2VG9eUcAMG-Iu.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253147920564224/EN2VHAUUUAEUdFt.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253159752695839/EN2VG9fU0AA4uq6.png)

And, finally, some astronomical experiments, making sure that the Sun and the Moon are always where they're expected, at anytime, any day.

* Tweaking the celestial sphere in-engine ☑️
* Loc & time: Kuala Lumpur 26.12.2019 around 7:10 AM UTC ☑️
* Eclipse looks more or less like the real thing, Sun & Moon OK ☑️
* Not awaking Cthulhu on the astral plane just yet with our dark shenanigans ☑️

Of course, it might not be as spectacular as a bunch of SBDs warming up on a flight deck, but when time comes your pixel pilots will be happy to have reliable astronomical objects to rely on! Next step: some convincing stars, and our sky will be all set and geared for in-game glory...😇

(simulations courtesy of NASA & www.timeanddate.com)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253168757866556/EN7djuTVUAAzFDn.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253185052475423/EN7djuJU0AUJaAz.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/665253202232475686/EN7djuPUUAAFWmq.png)

Enjoy the weekend, Ladies & Gentlemen ;)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on January 10, 2020, 09:16:44 AM
Stop it! You're getting me HOT!  :dreamer:  And I love it.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on January 10, 2020, 10:50:04 AM
Most of the post is just blank space with some pics toward the end  :(
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 10, 2020, 10:56:49 AM
Hum.

Might have to do with twitter I guess.
Let me try again...

Edit: @rocketman looking a tad better right? Damn them Social Networks...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on January 10, 2020, 05:15:04 PM
Sassy.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on January 11, 2020, 06:44:54 AM
Hum.

Might have to do with twitter I guess.
Let me try again...

Edit: @rocketman looking a tad better right? Damn them Social Networks...
Yep, all is good now. I'm one of the brave who live without social networks.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on January 11, 2020, 09:41:32 AM
Looks great...

How do you expect to be able to schedule planes? Like 0930  launch CAP (4x F4F), 0945 launch torpedo bombers (16x TBD) 1015 launch dive bombers (16x SBD) 1045 launch escorts (12x F4F), 1115 reset deck and hangar for recovery, recovery from 1130-1400, reset for launch, 1500 launch CAP (4x F4F) etc...?

Will the game be stand-alone battles and/or is there a dynamic/free campaign through 1 Jan 1943?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 11, 2020, 10:17:29 AM
Thank you!

Well, there will be 3 different air ops interfaces (pretty much what 1942: Pacific Air War did)
1) CAP
2) Search
3) Strike

Of course there will be many more parameters and variety to choose from (it's been 25 years...), but these are the three basic air dialogues. Each of them will ask the player to make a choice in regard of when to launch - whether it's based on time (TTL for Strikes & Search, but frequency for CAP relief too too), on the Task Force position (aka launch when a certain area is entered by the Task Force) or on a third-party parameter, in case the designated target is not spotted (when the deck is pre-spotted for a given mission, but the enemy force hasn't been sighted yet for instance). We might also go with a priority value that the player will set for some of these missions (WIP).

Taking into account these parameters, the Air Boss will set these missions on the timeline, allowing the player to have an easy and yet comprehensive understanding of what is to happen on the flight deck for the next few hours. We plan on making it look somewhat like this indeed - except that the torpedo bombers, dive bombers and escorts in your example would be regrouped under the same hat of a strike package.
I expect mission parameters for each mission to be easily reachable by clicking on the labels on the timeline, which will allow you to fine-tune your air tasking order if something bothers you. This is a dynamic display: it might change depending on the circumstances (for instance the need to recover a plane in emergency, or an enemy attack changing your parameters and preventing you from steaming into the wind at the expected time).

Regarding the single-player experience, we will start with stand-alone battles in the most wargamesque fashion (that is, like Carriers at War or JTS Midway do). We will offer new gameplay options later on in Vol.2, if Vol.1 becomes a thing of course :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on January 11, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
I know answering this question is fraught with danger but...fortune favors the brave.

What kind of timeline are you considering for release?  Alpha or beta?

Your non-judgemental and willing to not hold you to your answers friend, Toonces.   :-"
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on January 11, 2020, 03:40:45 PM
^There is only one correct answer to that.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on January 11, 2020, 03:42:25 PM
^There is only one correct answer to that.

Indeed.  "Next Week".
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on January 11, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 11, 2020, 08:50:22 PM
Although my impertinence might incur the wrath of the all-mighty Gunsingtonian Ministry of Truth ruling these lands & these waves  :coolsmiley: it might take a little while longer.
But I hope we'll be up and running with a playable vertical slice (the fancy name for betas nowadays) before the end of this year. Technically, it means a game - but without the plethora of scenarios, the polish & all.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on January 12, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
I am a benevolent, diminutive dictator.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 15, 2020, 10:28:08 PM
"Playing" around buoyancy in order to fine-tune properly the system before we start implementing it.
Poor Yorktown has been sinking over and over again these last few days, but we're getting there, one leak at a time.
Don't pay attention to the smoke, at a certain point boilers are inoperative obviously, but this will be the next step (together with Damage Control).

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/667015702200320012/EOVBNf3U4AAa2Ln.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/667015669245542401/EOVBNfzVAAEK2n-.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/667037815464525865/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IICptMillerII on January 19, 2020, 01:15:53 PM
Just wanted to say that I am extremely excited for this title. I think that in general there is a lack of 3D wargames covering naval surface warfare, and this will certainly go a long way to filling that void. Everything about it looks fantastic! The attention to detail and historical accuracy, the realism, the operational layer... It checks all of my boxes. Its also great getting all of these sneak peaks into the development and progress of the game. Great stuff, can't wait for the release!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on January 19, 2020, 07:32:45 PM
This game checks every box I have, and even some boxes I didn't know I had.  Easily my most anticipated game since Falcon 4.0.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 22, 2020, 01:18:32 AM
Thanks guys. These kind words are the fire that keeps our boilers going  :notworthy: :arr:

Here are a few more updates of what we've been doing as of late.

- The ANZAC squadron is shaping up. After the Kiwi Leanders, welcome the Kent-class cruisers, as the base for HMAS Australia & Canberra. Right now it is just the basic WW2 British Kent variant, but we will customize it along the lines of what was done later on, one step at a time.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/668807154743902218/KENT0.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/668807129557368862/HMS_Kent_285429.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/668806896333094912/KENT4.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669453854823153664/EOu8vXSUUAEfS84.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669453822048993290/EOu8vXRU4AAu67z.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669453834988290048/EOu8vXUUUAEGfzF.png)

- Mogami-chan is around too, say hi to this beauty! A worthy adversary for your own cruisers.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/668125883336228902/mogami1.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/668125949501374484/mogami3.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/341312952344772608/668126070029156367/mogami2.png)

- Here is the follow-up to our work on the flotation damage. Our Dev is currently going through the excruciating experience of slicing the internals of a Yorktown-class carrier in order to isolate individual zones of flotation (roughly the watertight compartments) so that water from a leak will distribute itself realistically - and ultimately end up creating a list that will need to be leveled through pumps or counter-flooding on the opposite point. Still work in progress of course, and 2 decks remain to be divided up, but there's progress everyday! Next stage: the modules themselves (that is, the things you damage/destroy within a ship)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669454677791866890/EOz-8ZOW4Acmioj.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669454691780001812/EOz-8ZRX4AAtySX.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669454716346040337/EOz-8ZPWkAIYQ6l.png)

Here you can see water slowly entering the ship through points punctured throughout the compartments under the waterline. It is probably clearer in the second shot, where you see one compartment actually flooded.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669455115509563392/unknown.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/669455137051377687/unknown.png)

There there. Enough until next week I guess. In the meantime, enjoy the show ;)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FlickJax on January 22, 2020, 05:00:41 AM
Wow.... what a project
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: besilarius on January 22, 2020, 06:43:43 AM
Admiral, this is really impressive.  I don't believe any game has ever tried to really represent internal spaces and flooding before.  Certainly not in such detail.  So many ships were lost due to progressive flooding, and this representation would add a lot of tension for the player.  One of the IJN Kongo class was torpedoed and the flooding was beyond control.  To atone for this failure, the DCA (Damage Control Assistant) committed seppuko at that moment.  I'm sure it was a real morale boost for the Hull Technicians.

At one point, and I think it was late 1943, to handle hangar deck fires, a flooding button was set up.  This would immediately douse the hangars and smother fires. 
The downside of it, was that all the planes in the hangar had to be dried out and were inop until they were repaired.

My family knew the Damage Control Assistant on Yorktown, CV10, and he would have been fascinated by this.  May have had some useful information, but it's eleven years too late to pick his brains.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on January 22, 2020, 06:57:45 AM
We should all take your forum name ‘The Admiral’ much more seriously now.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 22, 2020, 09:52:29 AM
Admiral, this is really impressive. 
Thank you  O0

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I don't believe any game has ever tried to really represent internal spaces and flooding before.

Oh a few examples still come to mind though. Early great attempts of note are the Silent Hunter Games (starting with 3). Then you have Atlantic Fleet, and - on a more complex scale - more recently Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnought & War Thunder, naturally. We're using techniques that are well-known, but it's true that at our scale and on our topic, all things considered, it's more or less a first.

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Certainly not in such detail. 
Detail comes specifically from our wish to make that sort of advanced handcrafted effort to recreate compartments & systems for carriers and, to a lesser extent, capital ships. Others might have to wait for vol.3 when (if, give us strength  :dreamer:) we end up focusing on surface combat. We have to stay alert and not fall prey to feature-creeping - and oh man, you can believe me that them temptations are aplenty.

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So many ships were lost due to progressive flooding, and this representation would add a lot of tension for the player.  One of the IJN Kongo class was torpedoed and the flooding was beyond control.  To atone for this failure, the DCA (Damage Control Assistant) committed seppuko at that moment.  I'm sure it was a real morale boost for the Hull Technicians.
Yes exactly! The fight of the DC parties is a part of Carrier Combat that has often been dismissed from the gameplay representation (mostly by lack of means to make it matter at all) and, nevertheless, was prevalent in every account I've read over the years. It's not super glamour but it is a large part of the decision process of retiring from battle/abandoning the ship/towing the ship/scuttling the ship - and the unavoidable conundrums that result from it. Flag Officers commanding Lexington at Coral Sea, Yorktown at Midway & Hornet at Santa Cruz all went through this ordeal, not to mention everything happening in-between (Wasp & Saratoga).

And the story about Kirishima is a good example. It shows very well why it's important to pay attention to the actual compartmentalization of the ship in order to recreate that sort of improbable outcomes. If I remember well about what I have read (must have been on Combinedfleet I guess) the existence of a very large, non-watertight platform is one of the reasons why the whole DC effort spiraled quickly out of control following just one or a couple unlucky hits. You have that sort of areas aboard a CV too (the crew spaces on the third deck on the Yorktowns for instance) and if water ever gets there and can flood it, it is clearly the end. The free surface effect has that snowball tendency (that is flooding -> displacement of center of gravity -> more flooding -> more displacement of center of gravity -> etc) that makes buoyancy/balance a lost cause and a guaranteed capsizing (or death by gloup gloup) if water is not contained and confined.

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My family knew the Damage Control Assistant on Yorktown, CV10, and he would have been fascinated by this.  May have had some useful information, but it's eleven years too late to pick his brains.
Aye, too bad - my sincere thoughts & condolences :(
But we're making this game for their children & grand children - like you - who might want to get a humble, respectful pixel slice what the Greatest Generation achieved and went through when manning these ships and fighting these battles. We're actually exchanging routinely with people who think very much alike (some of them making their own games along these lines) and I know there's a lot of potential for future projects, including aboard the ships proper (and, among other things, repair the infamy of not having CV-6 around somewhere as a museum...).

But first, our small team has to prove itself by delivering a proper, well-rounded first game. We will see where we're headed from there, but the sky's the limit here - there is so much more to simulate and tackle at every scale (ships, stations, planes, operational...) and in every navy, that if the first game is not too much of a dud, I am pretty sure that we'll have the opportunity to pay CV-10 and all her sisters the proper respect in no time :coolsmiley:

Cheers!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 28, 2020, 06:27:01 AM
Hello there Ladies & Gentlemen!

A small update on our devblog for January. There is little stuff you woudln't know already (being on the front-lines yourself by following us in here!) but there's some more context some of you might find useful, or to the very least entertaining. Enjoy :)

https://drydockdreams.games/2020/01/28/wallabies-in-the-year-of-the-rat/

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/head-3.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on January 28, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
Great update, thank you.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 28, 2020, 10:26:11 PM
Thank you Hellfish  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on January 29, 2020, 01:31:16 AM
I really appreciate that Australian (&NZ) ships will be in this game and that you guys even remembered Australia Day. Interesting camo pattern on the Northhampton as well. I guess at a glance subs think they are going faster?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 29, 2020, 02:13:15 AM
Thanks Destraex! :arr:
Well I forgot to say in the update that the photo was taken at Brisbane, so it was actually a Aussie-day thing all the way  8)
It happens that a "disproportionate" part of our audience is actually ANZAC, this is sort of surprising - also, a lot of them Simulation youtubers are too.

Regarding the Measure 5 wave gimmick, wasn't probably very successful at doing anything. In port it just doesn't work, and being underway just defeats its purpose. By 1941 German & Japanese subs were using other means of calculating speed using their scopes anyway (anyone who has played Silent Hunter 4 knows how this works, right, so you can imagine the effect of the trick...). It was quickly abandoned after 1941. Nevada & Oklahoma, which were the most visible bearers of the scheme were nowhere to be seen after December anyway, for obvious dire reasons... A lot of PacFleet cruisers were using the scheme in 1941 too, but in their case everybody had gone Measure 21 by mid-1942.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FlickJax on January 29, 2020, 02:38:40 AM
On a side note I watched the new Midway movie last night and must say I really enjoyed it even if a bit hollywood :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 29, 2020, 11:03:46 PM
Well, I have to say they had quite the material to work with. I am a bit sad with the way Emmerich picked, we need no over dramatization - but still, better than nothing, and better than 1976 for sure, right?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 07, 2020, 08:49:48 AM
Hello there Grognards.
Well, the moment I see this topic slip silently to the second page I feel like I might need to intervene to stay visible in this world of merciless competition for attention. It's all for the best reasons - you get new sweets when that happens, and I get to pull my fingers from where they were and do a bit of work. Here are a few screenshots, for those among you who might still be around?  :dreamer:

Sorry, the whole thing is a bit canned, I made a pretty long "mini" update, so it won't be super custom-made for groggies - but you will still find interesting nuggets of info, and see - in all humility - that technology has made us come a long way since the kind days of Carriers at War & CARRIER.

First of all, our new weather model, which allows for localized rain squalls, the likes of which saved Zuikaku from a pounding at Coral Sea, or Enterprise from extermination at Santa Cruz. You will be allowed to use them too, but it works both ways...

Here, you can see them in action on the larger map. Blue areas are the ones where a set of conditions make rain happen - of course it changes dynamically, and the weather can be radically different 100 miles away. It's your job to make sure that the weather Gods will favor you more than they harm you...

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/8/f/8fbd599efcdfbfc0fd5d51217a97ddedea7a1698.png)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/0/d/0d6257b721ed0845d21a351db81e5e8f3e7037f4.png)

And here's a view of how it looks like from under it:

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/9/5/95c662ebce6133095d42e1cc272e645dac15a946.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/4/7/479fc25bf4b584a75f3f1c614b461944dc2e6e9e.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/7/4/746e7db7dc7cc82ffe76657054f7994b1393fd14.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/e/c/ecf894113269dfb1ab33962c9e5f437e015a17a8.jpeg)

Cloud cover will have an actual role in gameplay - as you can see here, it can very efficiently hide ships away from the sky. Your planes might very well miss the enemy - but in absence of a working radar, if communications are down or not an option, and if the Z/B system is non-operational for a reason or another, then your planes could very well miss you too...! They might have to pray for a little opening at the right spot in the cloud cover, just like here:

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/a/1/a1522f3bdcaa320819048a0002a5411752b815a2.jpeg)

Of course, the same rules apply whenever you'll be trying to get something done at night. Night ops are not impossible, nor forbidden, but try your luck at your own risk. Taking off in the darkness is already a difficult, yet necessary exercise when a dawn strike requires it - but bombing by moonlight in on a whole different level! Yet, it did happen...

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/4/c/4c2d92b6981641cbab6a1fa1b4de70ed48e2a7bb.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/6/e/6e570fc90930b205e6647ba35885d4bdf9d0eab4.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/9/3/93f433e67b6c795c7ef0a426010fee25e8010982.jpeg)

(https://uploads.mudspike.com/original/3X/8/a/8a9ad8d057ee41a467288f0fb5e3843ad28d3f8b.jpeg)

Flightsimmers will see all of this as business like usual - but I hope that these few visual improvements won't go unnoticed by the Wargaming crowd  :coolsmiley:
Finally, a sneak peek at something that comes a bit closer to actual wargamesque gameplay, for a change.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49501668756_62a5bfebcb_o.gif)

This one prototype shows how the game dimensions interact with each other. It is our early experiment at an interactive Command Post/Map/3D world integration. It is certainly no Radio Commander just yet of course, but it is a first step! It is very Work in Progress, so please be nice in the comments  :hide:

At any rate, as you can see, the transition is smooth. Switching from a mode to another one doesn't seem to impact performance in any way. As these instances already exist in-game permanently, they don't need to be generated along the way, making the whole process feel rather natural and self-explanatory (well, that's the feeling I have of course, but I am a bit biased - don't hesitate to tell me if I am wrong!).

Of course, static 2D & full 3D visualization modes will be available too - you will just have to click the relevant button on the toolbar to activate them (more on that later...).

There we go - hope your eyes had some fun. See you around for the next update - and in the meantime, take good care, Vieille Garde! :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FlickJax on February 07, 2020, 09:05:28 AM
Nice.... fecking amazing comes to mind Mr Admiral sir!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on February 07, 2020, 09:07:32 AM
 :notworthy: :hug: \m/  :smitten:

So, do you need a Beta tester or two??  O:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Pete Dero on February 07, 2020, 09:18:07 AM
Just wanted to let you know that you can release the game. (I have my new PC)  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 07, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
This game looks better than real life.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on February 07, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
Very cool transition.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on February 07, 2020, 11:17:14 AM
I like that weather affects gameplay as it should in Carrier Ops. How bad can the weather get? Storms, typhoons, or just your basic thunderstorms?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on February 07, 2020, 12:35:39 PM
   :)        interactive Command Post/Map/3D world integration.     :)

Now THAT got my attention.  Very cool.  I hope the release version of the interactive Command Post/Map/3D is as cool as this prototype.  A very neat concept. 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GroggyGrognard on February 07, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
@The Admiral

Fantastic update and pics. Looks like the game is coming along quite nicely.

However, the next time you post a tasty update, please put NSFW as the potential for maximum loin moistening is high.

Thank you.

Groggy

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 09, 2020, 05:29:35 AM
Thank you boys  :notworthy:
Worry not, if we ever manage to deliver something remotely playable, groggies will not be forgotten. But we need to get there first  :hide:

Let's end the weekend with a little touch of gentle Mitsubishi tech!

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3f73121142d37928f103e5/20b45f72bf1b25d1689adbe4fb8a4b71/A6M2_21_2.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3f73121142d37928f103e5/ecf517ad0ee91ad0e20bc572638e8c97/A6M2_21_5.png)

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And here is the Nakajima monstruosity (just joking, I love the Rufe ^-^)

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(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3ead889789494e5fc96679/6d36202986425f6ea4105f17c4d56ce6/A6M2_N_7.png)

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Now the rivets counters in the assembly can have some fun  :coolsmiley:
Of course, we're nowhere close to the detail of Il-2 Great Battles or DCS, but we made the most of what we had - that is a more limited polycount and the need to be able to display dozens of these little birds on the screen at any given time. It's still good enough for a wargame, you'll agree  :knuppel2:

Have a nice Sunday everybody - and take care!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on February 09, 2020, 06:03:12 AM
Nice update!

I'm surprised that the IJN seems never to have tried enlarging the Rufe slightly to allow for an observer so it could be used as a true scout. By many accounts it was still a reasonably nimble fighter despite the floats so trading a little bit of that for an extra pair of eyes, more fuel/range, and maybe a better (heavier) radio set would seem to be a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 09, 2020, 06:29:38 AM
Thanks bro!

Nah, they actually had great dedicated scout floatplanes already, high performance even by every standards - the Aichi E13 (Jake) & Mitsubishi F1M (Pete). Both were superb machines, both introduced in 1941 too, that did the job you describe very well. The Pete in particular was a really tigerish platform, that frustrated a number of US fighter pilots in dogfight, as it could literally make circles in every turn a F4F would attempt. The Jake, for its part, had great flight characteristics & endurance and was a dream scout plane. As such, the actual "swiss army knife" of the trio was the Pete, which could pretty much do everything, just not as far as the Jake, and not as fast as offensively as the Rufe. In Guadalcanal, whenever Rufes were available, they would be the escort and the Petes would play the role of the bombers. The Rufe was really a float fighter, purely.

Of course, both planes will feature in the game too (and we don't see them nearly enough in our games despite their absolutely important role in the Pacific air war).
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 14, 2020, 07:15:34 AM
Had a little sonata with Tim Stone - he had me spill a few beans :)

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/02/14/the-flare-path-talks-task-force-admiral/

Enjoy! :peace:

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on February 14, 2020, 08:31:03 AM
Great write-up.  Really looking forward to this one.  Thanks Admiral!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Rayfer on February 14, 2020, 09:22:33 AM
That 7+ minute video of in-game footage is stunning.  I just worry now if my old rig can handle it. 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on February 14, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
The interview made me anticipate the game even more. I really like the design decisions you guys are making - especially re: morale. It might be of greater import to land battles, but on a ship where you effectively either fight or die, it's not so much a thing. Demoralized ships didn't surrender to the enemy (at least none that I can think of...). I have a design document I've tinkered with for years about a WWII naval game (effectively a newer Destroyer Command) which had morale as a factor, but that only affected things peripherally - like how long before exhaustion became an issue, or the time it takes to get to battlestations, etc.) and never a thing that would decide the course of a naval battle on its own.

Some questions that occurred to me while reading the interview:

To what extent will the battles around Guadalcanal that did not involve carriers be covered? Will we have the knife-fight night battles in the Slot?

How would you account for specific leadership failings, like the reluctance of Adm Callaghan to take advantage of radar, or even prepare a battle plan? Related, though not part of your initial game, how would you hypothetically simulate in your game world the Battle off Samar, and VAdm Kurita's decision to withdraw on the cusp of victory?

Any thought to someday addressing amphibious operations? I've never played a game that allowed players to make realistic amphibious landings (in WWII or any other era). By 1944, the US had a pretty incredible capability to do landings on contested shores, with a myriad of specialized landing and support craft, synchronization and coordination demands, and deconfliction of gun and aerial support. I always thought it would be fascinating to orchestrate an amphibious landing in a 3D game - and your engine might be the only chance to do this. Let the player take the role of the amphibious staff, give 'em an island and let them pick beaches, schedule recon, send in UDTs to measure the tides and currents, sync the naval gunfire support, air support, amphibious load plans, and order of landing. Or hell, do it in Korea or the Cold War era, or from the Japanese, Soviet or British perspective.

I think it'd be really fun, but I may also be crazy.

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 14, 2020, 11:54:07 AM
I see The Admiral has the books Soldiers of the Sun and Kaigun...an admiral of taste and sophistication!

I also like the idea of multiple AIs, like Ultimate General - Gettysburg.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on February 14, 2020, 02:02:54 PM
I was actually wondering about surface combat as well.  Expanding this system to cover surface warfare would be a brilliant move.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on February 14, 2020, 11:45:01 PM
I was actually wondering about surface combat as well.  Expanding this system to cover surface warfare would be a brilliant move.

From the interview;

We are already on our way to simulating carrier combat at a scale and with an amount of detail never before seen, and surface combat to a standard at the very least equal to that of Fighting Steel.


Just looking at the ballistics demo video in the interview shows that surface combat is a definite inclusion as is some of the ships being included such as the Anzac cruisers that were only in surface combat.

I for one am in awe with what this team is trying to achieve, this will be the first ever simulation where you could be (at maximum realism) desperate to know whose planes are above you combined with a few minutes of absolute terror.

Great article!

David
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 15, 2020, 04:06:26 AM
Thank you boys for the kind words, as usual  :notworthy:

I see The Admiral has the books Soldiers of the Sun and Kaigun...an admiral of taste and sophistication!
There's hardly any brighter beacon of gentlemanliness in these lands than you Gus, so much appreciated  :arr:

The interview made me anticipate the game even more. I really like the design decisions you guys are making - especially re: morale. It might be of greater import to land battles, but on a ship where you effectively either fight or die, it's not so much a thing. Demoralized ships didn't surrender to the enemy (at least none that I can think of...). I have a design document I've tinkered with for years about a WWII naval game (effectively a newer Destroyer Command) which had morale as a factor, but that only affected things peripherally - like how long before exhaustion became an issue, or the time it takes to get to battlestations, etc.) and never a thing that would decide the course of a naval battle on its own.

I agree that it would be a the same probably in surface action, and the same way our literature had many examples of selfless sacrifice from the crews, the same stands for what is depicted in Neptune's Inferno. It's kill or get killed all the way. It's not the age of sail, there's no surrendering, there's no melee, Neptune's Inferno shows that well enough. When survival is all that matters, you can only try your best to sell your soul in the most expensive way. There again, like in carrier action, if there is some sort of "weak link" in the equation anywhere, it's the Flag Officers themselves, whose mental dispositions will have a disproportionate impact on how the battle is set-up and proceeds.

I our case I would say that it is very characteristic of the esprit de corps in the naval aviation at that time, in that one theater - in a certain way, it is more of a sublimation of the airman's hubris than anything. There just wasn't room nor eligible conditions for a Yossarian, and it is not surprising that it would happen on both sides in the same era, considering the similarities between the US and the Japanese naval aviation early on (namely the idea that they were the cream of the crop of their service branch). A carrier and its complement are basically here just so that the flyboys can take off and take the fight to the enemy. One single man had the ability to take an enemy ship out of the battle, or even out of the war and tilt the balance of power in the whole theater. And that worked both way: let an enemy torpedo bomber slip through and you might be the guy who doomed your homeplate. I think these guys just couldn't bear the idea of personal failure, which is the single most important morale-booster one could wish for.

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Some questions that occurred to me while reading the interview:

To what extent will the battles around Guadalcanal that did not involve carriers be covered? Will we have the knife-fight night battles in the Slot?
Well, as Strela points out it will be in there :) just at a basic level, not as detailed as carrier ops are. This will be refined further in vol.2 and then hopefully on a specific module for surface combat. Doesn't mean that the basics won't be there - as highlighted, expect combat reminiscent of Fighting Steel, which is still better than nothing.

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How would you account for specific leadership failings, like the reluctance of Adm Callaghan to take advantage of radar, or even prepare a battle plan? Related, though not part of your initial game, how would you hypothetically simulate in your game world the Battle off Samar, and VAdm Kurita's decision to withdraw on the cusp of victory?

Well I am afraid that we won't go so deep in the surface combat simulation if you're not already in command for now - and if you are, well, you'll be your own Admiral Callaghan, so it makes the point a bit moot  :))
Still, these are related to what we mentioned regarding a tactical and strategic AI for the enemy AI. These will coexist but not necessarily coordinate. Tactical AI will naturally refer itself to the local power ratio, while the strategic AI will take into account the overall level of readiness and its ability to complete its objectives. So yes, you will come across that sort of SNAFU decisions, and I'd like to make it apparent in the narration at least in the replay module (Admiral X takes the decision to retire, etc...) so that we will always be transparent in the aftermath and clearly let you see it wasn't so much a bug, but more of a feature.  :coolsmiley:

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Any thought to someday addressing amphibious operations? I've never played a game that allowed players to make realistic amphibious landings (in WWII or any other era). By 1944, the US had a pretty incredible capability to do landings on contested shores, with a myriad of specialized landing and support craft, synchronization and coordination demands, and deconfliction of gun and aerial support. I always thought it would be fascinating to orchestrate an amphibious landing in a 3D game - and your engine might be the only chance to do this. Let the player take the role of the amphibious staff, give 'em an island and let them pick beaches, schedule recon, send in UDTs to measure the tides and currents, sync the naval gunfire support, air support, amphibious load plans, and order of landing. Or hell, do it in Korea or the Cold War era, or from the Japanese, Soviet or British perspective.
Oh well, we will have to do with ersatz for now. Landing ops (Lae, Guadalcanal, Gili Gili, or even Midway) will be there but they will kinda be phony (you see barges shuttling around, and the event engine simulates progress, but it's not REALLY happening). This will have to do for now. Volume 2 will extend the timeline to include Galvanic, and we will certainly go deeper at that point  \m/

Cheers and thanks for the support!  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 15, 2020, 12:24:03 PM
Even 'just a little' basic surface combat will be like having just a little basic pizza.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 21, 2020, 08:14:10 AM
A little heads-up regarding this week's Flare Path - to which I tried to contribute a bit with all the bros  :coolsmiley:

As you will see, the naval genre is doing better as of late.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/02/21/the-flare-path-a2z-16

Happy reading!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MC on February 21, 2020, 09:08:54 AM
A little heads-up regarding this week's Flare Path - to which I tried to contribute a bit with all the bros  :coolsmiley:

As you will see, the naval genre is doing better as of late.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/02/21/the-flare-path-a2z-16

Happy reading!

Good read! Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 21, 2020, 10:58:56 AM
That Partisans game in the RPS link looks sweet.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 26, 2020, 07:30:37 AM
Yes!
Raaah. I tell you, if we weren't doing what we are doing, I'd be doing a XCOM clone on the Chinese resistance against the Japanese. So much potential for drama...  :dreamer:

Anyway.
It's press season it seems. Here's another piece about us, this time by Shamrock at the great blog that is Stormbirds. You might not learn much if you're here often, but there are some fresh screenshots to check out at the very least least  :arr:
https://stormbirds.blog/2020/02/25/command-the-seas-and-the-skies-with-drydock-dreams-games-task-force-admiral/

(https://stormbirds.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/over-the-flight-deck.png)

(https://stormbirds.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/yorktown-dead-in-the-water.png)


Cheers
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 26, 2020, 07:58:00 AM
I hope one day you get the chance to do a game on Chinese resistance to the Japanese, that sounds epic.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 26, 2020, 08:02:58 AM
I promise plenty of forbidden love stories.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 26, 2020, 08:09:02 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: bobarossa on February 26, 2020, 08:55:38 AM
Looks like all the aircraft slid off that carrier into the drink! ;D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 26, 2020, 09:21:14 AM
Well, what have they done to mah poo' girl  :hide:

(http://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23950.0;attach=15150)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FarAway Sooner on February 26, 2020, 10:27:10 PM
I promise plenty of forbidden love stories.

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 28, 2020, 05:44:46 AM
Hello there Ladies and Gents!

We had our small monthly devblog update - don't hesitate to check  :peace:

https://drydockdreams.games/2020/02/28/dancing-under-the-stars/

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Cheers and have a fine Friday everyone!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on February 28, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
Really looking good Admiral. O0   Those night shots look incredible.  I, for one, am ready to contribute to your car fund. 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 28, 2020, 09:30:50 AM
Thank you Steve, that's kind. I might consult you on the color.  ^-^

For the others, as you might need an incentive to actually click on this, here's an appetizer of what you might find down there. Hope that will entice you to have a look  :dreamer:

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/screenshot_02032020_154957517.png)

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(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/over-the-flight-deck.png)

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(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/yorktown-dead-in-the-water.png)

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 28, 2020, 02:44:44 PM
Fantastic.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 29, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
I live to serve, Sir Gus.  :peace:
Regarding this, is our gracious Monthly warrior lady up to your expectations?  :dreamer:

These Navy propaganda posters were quite something...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on February 29, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
I love that formation editor.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on February 29, 2020, 04:02:16 PM
There’s nothing in this thread I don’t love.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 04, 2020, 03:39:16 AM
Good! So let's keep that lovely feelin' going!
And hopefully going strong it will!  :coolsmiley:

Today, a little nod to Burden of Command's historical featurette - I tried my luck at the exercise too  :knuppel2:

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on March 04, 2020, 04:44:33 AM
Great footage as ever!


If I may, I'd like to offer one suggestion (albeit from someone ignorant of the difficulties of programing) to sweeten the flying scenes even more.

When the planes fly in formation they are so exactly spaced that they look tied together. How about introducing a very slight dynamic variant in their spacing and relative speeds so they look more humanly-crewed?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 04, 2020, 05:12:37 AM
Aye - this is old December unused footage, we made progress since then - they are a bit more floaty when keeping formation, but don't expect them to bounce around either  ^-^
As you can see though I believe that intermediate maneuvers were fine already by then in that regard (i.e. when the TBD wingman is rejoining formation after dropping its fish)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: lhughes42 on March 04, 2020, 09:55:34 AM
Admiral-The BoC team is honored that our "History Sunday" feature was a source of inspiration for you in producing that outstanding video you made on the TBM Devastator.  Aside from highlighting your game, your production also underscores the skill and bravery that those torpedo squadron pilots and aircrew had. In spades.
  Luke (Burden of Command lead)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 13, 2020, 10:29:34 AM
Thanks Luke - of course you are an inspiration, and not just to me that is certain  8)

Today, a little silly experiment - watching our 2D artist work on a drawer, M1 helmets - and a coffee mug in the Flag Plot, that is the main room where the player will stand most of the time (when he/she's not player God up in the air, that is). We all know that coffee is a wargamer's best friend - well, our research indicates so far that it might have been the same thing with WW2 admirals.

Since then we've discovered that Halsey used teacups instead, so we're gonna have to swap this mug for a british-style cup at some point, but for the time being, please humor us  :coolsmiley:

Cheers!

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on March 13, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
A couple of things about coffee and the US Navy:
1) a Navy coffee mug weighs 15.2 oz, unloaded.  It has been used in combat as a weapon. In an encounter with the U-66 on May 5, 1944 the USS BUCKLEY (DE 51) rammed the submarine.  From Theodore Roscoe, "US Destroyer Operations in WWII", pg. 306-07:

"The collision sent BUCKLEY's bow riding high over the U-boat's deck...Scrambling out of the hatches and mounting the conning tower [the U-boat crew] let fly with a fusillade of small-arms and rifle fire...And then the destroyermen were astounded to see the submariners clambering up the DE's bow, coming hand over fist in a squalling assault to board.
STAND BY TO REPEL BOARDERS!
   Above the tumult and shouting, the crackle of pistol fire, the din and clang, that command seemed to linger in the gunsmoke as an echo from the past...The infuriated destroyermen hurled empty shell-cases, coffee mugs, spitkits, anything and everything that could serve as missiles...."


2)  Samuel Eliot Morison famously said: "The Navy could probably win a war without coffee but it wouldn't like to try."
3) I routinely drank 18 cups of coffee a day when at sea.  And that wasn't atypical. 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on March 13, 2020, 12:25:23 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Con on March 13, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
What we need is a covid19 beta version of Task Force Admiral to while away the quarantine blues
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on March 13, 2020, 02:01:13 PM
That coffee mug needs about three more years' worth of stains on the inside. Stains add flavor!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on March 13, 2020, 03:31:40 PM
I can envision repelling boarders with a heavy coffee mug, not so much with a...teacup :-\.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 14, 2020, 03:24:14 AM
A couple of things about coffee and the US Navy:
1) a Navy coffee mug weighs 15.2 oz, unloaded.  It has been used in combat as a weapon. In an encounter with the U-66 on May 5, 1944 the USS BUCKLEY (DE 51) rammed the submarine.  From Theodore Roscoe, "US Destroyer Operations in WWII", pg. 306-07:

"The collision sent BUCKLEY's bow riding high over the U-boat's deck...Scrambling out of the hatches and mounting the conning tower [the U-boat crew] let fly with a fusillade of small-arms and rifle fire...And then the destroyermen were astounded to see the submariners clambering up the DE's bow, coming hand over fist in a squalling assault to board.
STAND BY TO REPEL BOARDERS!
   Above the tumult and shouting, the crackle of pistol fire, the din and clang, that command seemed to linger in the gunsmoke as an echo from the past...The infuriated destroyermen hurled empty shell-cases, coffee mugs, spitkits, anything and everything that could serve as missiles...."


2)  Samuel Eliot Morison famously said: "The Navy could probably win a war without coffee but it wouldn't like to try."
3) I routinely drank 18 cups of coffee a day when at sea.  And that wasn't atypical.

Uhuh thanks for the intel Steve, you're really the right guy for the job  :notworthy:
On our end, our research delivered us with these sad scenes over and over again (doesn't it paint Halsey as a much more delicate man in some way?):

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49657723936_2956ff6e95_o.png)

But if mugs were indeed in actual circulation, I guess there shall be room for both  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on March 14, 2020, 08:11:27 AM
I would venture to guess that the first photo is a conference.  The white tablecloth and the dishes of creamer show that this is a more formal setting   My guess is that this photo wasn't taken at sea. Same with the second photo.  This appears to be the Admiral's cabin.  More informal than the first, but probably not taken at sea, but in port, as evidence by the presence of VADM McCain.  In my experience, the wardroom did have more traditional china cups with saucers for formal occasions.   However, they generally not used in the operational spaces of the ships, and certainly not underway, for the following reasons:

1) Space.  A cup and saucer has a diameter of approx. 63 mm, or a footprint of 195 mm2.  A navy mug has a diameter of approx. 30 mm, with a footprint of 94 mm2.  With space in a CIC or bridge being a premium, and the space around a chart table being particularly valuable, a smaller footprint is better.

2) Weight and stability.  The Navy mug is a more stable platform for underway use than a teacup and saucer.  Weighing in at slightly under 1 pound, it has more inertia than a teacup to resist the motion the pitching and rolling of a vessel when underway.   Further, although the tea cup/saucer has a much larger footprint, only about 95 mm2 of the saucer is actually in contact with the table surface, so its resistance to sliding is is at best, no better than the mug.  In fact, it is possibly worse, because most navy mugs are slightly rougher/ununglazed of the bottom of the mug to create a rougher, more slide resistant surface than a standard saucer.

3) Resistance to battle damage-A navy mug has an 7mm thick ceramic armor belt.  The things are damn near indestructible under normal operating conditions.  ;)

In summary, while I don't discount the accuracy of your images, I suspect that the china was not used in combat conditions.   :)   
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on March 14, 2020, 08:34:03 AM
ANNND No sooner do I write my opus on why no self-respecting USN officer would use a tea cup while underway, than I come across this photo of the USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) doing some type of underway evolution.  My guess is that they are anchoring or getting underway from anchor.  the photo date is 21 July 1943.

(https://i.imgur.com/yxI9U9E.jpg)

If you look at the chart table, you can see two tea cups and saucers.  The cups are upside down, and the saucers appear to be placed on possible napkins.  However, I'm not entirely sure I'm going to back off my statement opinion that no self respecting USN officer would go into battle with a tea cup.  First, the portrayed evolution is clearly occurring in calm waters, likely a harbor, so ship's motion is not much of a factor.  Second, there is a lot of officers, some fairly senior.  My suspicion is that this is a sea and anchor detail getting underway, and that everyone has piled onto the bridge wing directly from the pre-sea and anchor briefing (where the tea cups may have been used). Third, this is on the USS NEW JERSEY, a very large battleship.  In other words, a very stable ship.  DD's, CAs, and (possibly) the CV5 class  would not have been as stable.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: bobarossa on March 14, 2020, 09:10:44 AM
Just to continue the technical discussion, I think the cups would have a much lower center of gravity than the mug.  And the saucer would catch spills so those nice maps wouldn't get coffee stains. 

Also 30 mm seems way to narrow for a saucer footprint (that's only 1.2", my mother's teacups measure 2").  And your calculation of surface area appears to by using (pi)D which is the formula for circumference. 
And then there is this which I found at https://www.ronnoco.com/blogs/news/the-coffee-mug-a-history 

World War II and The Victor Mug

What today’s coffee drinkers think of as the “classic” or “traditional” coffee mug came on the scene in 1945. It was a product of the Victor Insulator Company, the oldest insulator business in North America. The war overseas had a crucial effect on the design and eventual popularity of the mug—built to military specifications—its thick walls added to its insulating properties, and its extra weight helped it survive falls and avoid tipping while aboard ship. Along the way, Victor also pioneered a unique “non-slip” bottom surface, achieved during manufacturing by dragging the underside of the mug across a wet rubber mat before being fired in a kiln at 2,250 degrees Fahrenheit for 72 hours. This resulted in a rougher base that minimized sliding, which quickly became an essential feature in beverage containers. Hot beverage drinkers of all kinds embraced its heavy-duty style, and the Victor—popularly known as the “Diner Coffee Mug”—eventually became as iconic in America as the glass Coca-Cola bottle.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 14, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
...

Yes we came up with the same conclusions as you do - that's why we went for a mug initially  ^-^
But we're still hunting for a picture of this standard issue coffee mug, and it is unnerving how it is escaping our research so far.

First picture is naturally a conference - but you would be surprised (as much as I was)! Apparently it's taken aboard USS Nassau while at anchor in Noumea in Dec 1942 (not even the command ship). Nassau wasn't exactly what I'd call the most stable platform out there, that's for sure...  :crazy2:
https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=24755

The picture with McCain is taken aboard BB-62 (as most Halsey's late war pictures are anyway) and indeed that's most probably the Admiral's cabin. The picture was taken at sea during transit.
Look at this for instance (USS New Jersey again, flag officer conference room)
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-471000/80-G-471111.html
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-471000/80-G-471112.html
Darn, the later the war, the more the goddam ashtray looks like a mug - but the ominous teacup is still there!

Now, here the man with a glass... WILLIAM, Y U NO LIKE MUG!  :hide:
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-470000/80-G-470894.html

And here's Carney, his CoS (at least it gives a super good reference for the teacup...)
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nhhc-series/nh-series/80-G-471000/80-G-471139.html

Been trying to look for some sort of cup in all the plot room or CIC pics I could come across, but no luck so far. 
These iron men... I am in front of my computer right now and I can't imagine myself without my coffee mug just by the mouse. War warrants sacrifices indeed! Cruel seas... :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 14, 2020, 09:18:42 AM
And then there is this which I found at https://www.ronnoco.com/blogs/news/the-coffee-mug-a-history 

World War II and The Victor Mug

What today’s coffee drinkers think of as the “classic” or “traditional” coffee mug came on the scene in 1945.

Oh well. A time paradox would certainly explain this  O0 :))
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 14, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
I still have a few things to share if you are not tired of the topic just yet

First, as a last reference to the teacup, allow me to post as a secondary source this shot from the 1949 film Task Force. Usually, as a movie you might consider that it is not the most reliable source on Earth - but still, that one was pretty much an ode to the Navy that benefited from tremendous technical assistance. In every single frame there's the feeling that there was a technical advisor making sure that what was being said or done was as realistic as possible, and I cannot but feel that it is precisely what happens for instance in this flag plot scene. It is all the more convincing considering that the natural mistake would be to put a mug in there as the year of filming is actually 1949, while the action is supposed to take place in 1942. Sip that, Gary Cooper!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658604891_12b306c403_o.png)

Regarding everything that isn't a teacup - nor a mug - we have a few examples of other stuff lying around.
First, Mitscher apparently used a canteen or some sort of steel pot. But perhaps it was simply the pot where you'd put the pencils and other map tools. Hard to say.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658889542_ebcd517808_o.jpg)

Now, there is, in many places, this strange tubular thing that you come across many pictures in the command & control quarters of CV-10. What is that? A makeshift ashtray? A thermos? Again, the pen tray? Any clue? See how it seems to be pretty freaking everywhere

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658884457_ed67e9ecec_o.jpg)

Same spot, another angle
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658884377_bf9d9ba0e0_o.jpg)

Then a smaller one here
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658608726_190cecb0af_o.jpg)

Same as this one:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658066728_98e26f130b_o.jpg)

And finally something else, again (on the right - this one seems legit, but at the same time there's hardly any room to put anything on this table!)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658607906_c1bf6a17e4_o.jpg)

The plot thickens...  :hide:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on March 14, 2020, 10:36:18 AM
Just to continue the technical discussion, I think the cups would have a much lower center of gravity than the mug.  And the saucer would catch spills so those nice maps wouldn't get coffee stains. 

Also 30 mm seems way to narrow for a saucer footprint (that's only 1.2", my mother's teacups measure 2").  And your calculation of surface area appears to by using (pi)D which is the formula for circumference. 
And then there is this which I found at https://www.ronnoco.com/blogs/news/the-coffee-mug-a-history 

World War II and The Victor Mug

What today’s coffee drinkers think of as the “classic” or “traditional” coffee mug came on the scene in 1945. It was a product of the Victor Insulator Company, the oldest insulator business in North America. The war overseas had a crucial effect on the design and eventual popularity of the mug—built to military specifications—its thick walls added to its insulating properties, and its extra weight helped it survive falls and avoid tipping while aboard ship. Along the way, Victor also pioneered a unique “non-slip” bottom surface, achieved during manufacturing by dragging the underside of the mug across a wet rubber mat before being fired in a kiln at 2,250 degrees Fahrenheit for 72 hours. This resulted in a rougher base that minimized sliding, which quickly became an essential feature in beverage containers. Hot beverage drinkers of all kinds embraced its heavy-duty style, and the Victor—popularly known as the “Diner Coffee Mug”—eventually became as iconic in America as the glass Coca-Cola bottle.

This is actually a pretty illuminating discussion.  First, as a Navy vet, the subject of coffee is near and dear to my heart.  Second, the thought and design that goes into making something as simple as a coffee mug so utilitarian on board a ship is itself somewhat fascinating.  Regarding your point about the center of gravity-Yep, you are correct that the center of gravity of the cup would be lower than the mug.  However, because the cup has a smaller base, and flares out, the distribution of weight will be higher in the cup as opposed to the more column-type shape of the mug, making the cup more unstable, especially if jostled in the crowded conditions typical of bridges and CICs .  I took the measurements for the base of the cup from some we had in the house, but they weren't navy-issue, so possibly the navy cups had a larger base.  (However, look at the one being held by Gary Cooper in the image posted by The_Admiral. The base of that cup looks to be about the same as the width of 2 of Cooper's middle fingers, which is typically around 1.3 inches or so).  The mug measurements are from some USN mugs I have to laying around to remind me of my mis-spent youth.   :) 

You are of course, correct about my surface area calculation.  I used the formula for diameter instead of surface area.  My ensign-mistake was due to not having enough coffee before I started typing ;)  With that said, I think my point that the mug is more stable remains valid.  My math?  Notsomuch..... :-[

That is interesting that "The Victory" coffee mug was developed in 1945.  That certainly hurts my theory that no self-respecting navy officer would drink coffee out of a tea cup while at sea.  Possibly mugs that weren't Victory mugs were used?  The Victory mug (by the way, I didn't know that was what it was called)  does have some unique design features, in particular the thickness and the rough bottom.  I will have to do more research.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on March 14, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
I think ashtray is a good guess.  At first I was thinking pen/pencil holder, but in the second picture there is a pen stuck in holder shown in addition to the steel tube thingy.  Given the prevalence of smoking back then, ashtray makes sense.  It almost looks like a sawed-off shell casing.

Anyway, I'll take a picture of my coffee mug Monday at work.  It's not a true "Navy mug" like you guys are discussing - I've never seen one of those - but it's got a nice base of "flavor" on the inside.   :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on March 14, 2020, 11:13:34 AM
I still have a few things to share if you are not tired of the topic just yet

First, as a last reference to the teacup, allow me to post as a secondary source this shot from the 1949 film Task Force. Usually, as a movie you might consider that it is not the most reliable source on Earth - but still, that one was pretty much an ode to the Navy that benefited from tremendous technical assistance. In every single frame there's the feeling that there was a technical advisor making sure that what was being said or done was as realistic as possible, and I cannot but feel that it is precisely what happens for instance in this flag plot scene. It is all the more convincing considering that the natural mistake would be to put a mug in there as the year of filming is actually 1949, while the action is supposed to take place in 1942. Sip that, Gary Cooper!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658604891_12b306c403_o.png)


I agree, that a movie made in 1949 very well may have technical details such as this correct.  I may have to look at some "Victory at Sea" footage to see if I can come up with something.  You could have made some serious money from me had we made a bet before we started this discussion.  As far as some of the miscellaneous cup-like objects floating around:  I suspect that some of this is "battle expedient" type stuff.  A CIC requires a large number of pencils, grease pencils, dividers, rulers, etc. and containers to hold them in so they are readily available and don't get lost.  It looks like some of these items are things the sailors may have re-purposed for this role. The can like item you pointed out in this image, appears to be such an item, as one is suspended from the side of the table.  Possibly it is a 3" shell casing, cut down by the metal shop for use as a pen holder?  That would be a good use, as the heavier bottom of a shell casing would make it less likely to tip over.  The suspended one appears to have a label that may read "Flag [Plot]", likely a futile effort on the part of a sailor to prevent such a nice, attractive, shiny custom-made piece of gear from becoming someone's souvenir.    ;D  One other thought-The ink-type bottle may be rubber cement.  I seem to recall seeing such bottles back in my elementary school days.  Possibly they used it to tack down their charts without damaging them.  When I was on active duty we were using masking or painter's (blue) tape.
(https://i.imgur.com/qGYw29T.jpg)

 
Regarding everything that isn't a teacup - nor a mug - we have a few examples of other stuff lying around.
First, Mitscher apparently used a canteen or some sort of steel pot. But perhaps it was simply the pot where you'd put the pencils and other map tools. Hard to say.
(https://i.imgur.com/90TcpHA.jpg)


That may be a canteen top.  It has the same general shape.  Possibly painted white?  That may be because it wasn't used for drinking, but used for holding pencils, etc in.  Alternatively, it may have been painted so everyone knew it belonged to a particular person.  For awhile, I used a 7-11 travel mug because no one else in CIC had one, so it was readily identifiable as mine.


Now, there is, in many places, this strange tubular thing that you come across many pictures in the command & control quarters of CV-10. What is that? A makeshift ashtray? A thermos? Again, the pen tray? Any clue? See how it seems to be pretty freaking everywhere

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658884457_ed67e9ecec_o.jpg)
I'm going to guess that is a makeshift pencil holder.  Its tall enough you wouldn't want to put liquids in it, as it would tip over.  It is a good size to hold pencils.  Possibly a soda-type can with the lid cut off.  Possibly taped along the sides for greater grip/traction.  The OS's/QM's on my first ship did similar stuff.  It probably isn't an ashtray,  (although it could be) as the Navy supplied those.  ALso, it is too tall to be a good ashtray, as the cigarettes would fall inside if you let go of them.  It could also be a spittoon made out of a beverage can, although I doubt it would be in the image if that is what it is. 


And finally something else, again (on the right - this one seems legit, but at the same time there's hardly any room to put anything on this table!)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49658607906_c1bf6a17e4_o.jpg)

The plot thickens...  :hide:

The last one looks like a cut-down shell casing.  It seems to have a lip on the bottom.  Possibly to hold grease pencils to use with the radar screen, or as an ashtray, as there doesn't appear to be an ashtray at the station.  However, it still looks to be too high to be a good ashtray.  It is a little short for a pencil holder, but as crowded as that station is (a reflection of more equipment being fit into spaces not designed to hold them, as radar/CIC doctrine evolved), it may have been useful for the operator to use smaller "stubs" of pencils, to avoid knocking things over.  For instance, that curtain at the station would be a source of frustration to the operator, as it would likely knock over a regular sized pencil container every time it was drawn open or closed.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on March 14, 2020, 01:26:23 PM
Is that, 'Battleship' those two guys were playing?  :timeout:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 15, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
All right, thanks Tripoli - thanks to you I will have some content for Twitter next week, for sure ^^
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: fran on March 16, 2020, 12:17:01 PM
Apologies if already asked. Would we get a demo for this game? Would not consider purchasing without trying first.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 17, 2020, 01:02:46 AM
No need to apologize in any case ;)
Well, about a demo - possibly, but don't count on it being an priority at any point. Contemporary dev workflow in a small team like ours precludes from assigning too many resources to a limited version during or right after release. There's so much more critical stuff to take care of on the way and in the aftermath of the release that this will only become a possibility when the needed expertise will not be required elsewhere.
Still, I hope to be able to provide a few YT influencers with custom beta versions that might very well pave the way for an actual demo - but we will see that in due time. To make a limited version of something one needs to make a full version of that something first ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 18, 2020, 08:24:34 AM
Anybody wanna indulge in some Zero art porn today?  :coolsmiley:



By our guests  :arr:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on March 18, 2020, 09:21:44 AM
I DO I DO
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: fran on March 21, 2020, 01:15:23 AM
No need to apologize in any case ;)
Well, about a demo - possibly, but don't count on it being an priority at any point. Contemporary dev workflow in a small team like ours precludes from assigning too many resources to a limited version during or right after release. There's so much more critical stuff to take care of on the way and in the aftermath of the release that this will only become a possibility when the needed expertise will not be required elsewhere.
Still, I hope to be able to provide a few YT influencers with custom beta versions that might very well pave the way for an actual demo - but we will see that in due time. To make a limited version of something one needs to make a full version of that something first ;)

Cheers

Makes sense, looking forward to the YouTube posts. Good luck with the development.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 25, 2020, 06:19:13 AM
Thanks boys!

A bit of sightseeing today around the big ladies ingame - cute targets they make, aren't they  :knuppel2:
No need to introduce them I guess. A word though - Ryujo is still on her way there, and so are Junyo and Hiyo. Besides, as some with a trained eye might notice, both Zuikaku & Zuiho are in their late 1944 fashion (a little fantasy on our part). Enjoy the sight!

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3ce3b3d78a7d7be87b9783/9d5aa163cedade2d9ac62baf4f11fb8f/KidoButai4.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3ce3b3d78a7d7be87b9783/a97aa55a6b3443423cf83fbe02b4880d/KidoButai5.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3ce3b3d78a7d7be87b9783/1b07d8f99fe9d2937bad80e0da91c1cc/KidoButai2.png)

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3ce3b3d78a7d7be87b9783/c3b50acfa17299ce25ff6003d90d32a1/KidoButai6.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on March 25, 2020, 06:26:50 AM
Sweet  :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on March 25, 2020, 07:59:59 AM
Flat never looked so good!  :clap:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on March 25, 2020, 08:09:31 AM
Very cool.  Good work. 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on March 25, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
Gorgeous.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Millipede on March 25, 2020, 02:27:48 PM
Stunning and surprising.  The surprising part is the two with the green paint scheme. Which carriers were they and does anyone know the rational behind the odd choice?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on March 25, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
Stunning and surprising.  The surprising part is the two with the green paint scheme. Which carriers were they and does anyone know the rational behind the odd choice?

Seems kind of obvious, looking at it from above seems to make your high value carrier target look like a less important cruiser or battleship hopefully.  Don't you see it?

Did the Japanese use a copper like coating under water instead of red lead?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on March 25, 2020, 04:35:27 PM
I want to put those on my shelf.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 25, 2020, 08:46:13 PM
Thank you folks!  :peace: :notworthy:

Stunning and surprising.  The surprising part is the two with the green paint scheme. Which carriers were they and does anyone know the rational behind the odd choice?

From the forward one to the back on this pic:

(https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5db33ef55b732a3499e5973a/5e3ce3b3d78a7d7be87b9783/a97aa55a6b3443423cf83fbe02b4880d/KidoButai5.png)

Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku (1944), Shoho, Zuiho (1944).

As em2nought says, these schemes were supposed to make them look like non-aviation warships from the top. I wouldn't call it obvious or very successful at any rate though   :hide:
(https://i.redd.it/cge7i81sgh541.jpg)

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Did the Japanese use a copper like coating under water instead of red lead?
Well, Japanese antifouling paint has a distinct brownish tan, but it is still red - so I suppose they're still using red lead like most other nations. The real difference with others is that the Japanese don't use boot-topping - there's no transition area, no "line" between the upper part of the hull and the area covered by the antifouling paint. My personal opinion is that it might have led them to make their red a bit less visible than it is in other navies.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on March 26, 2020, 05:05:02 AM
Admiral, your second pix link needs a slight edit.





Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 26, 2020, 07:26:01 AM
Ah oopsie. Thanks Staggerwing  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Millipede on March 26, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
Thanks for the response Admiral. Of course, that leads to more questions... aside from the patterns painted on the decks, why green?

Is it my imagination or some sort of weird perspective in the above image but does the Akagi have a crown at the central elevator with a slight downward slope towards both the bow and the stern?

What's the story with the islands being placed on opposite sides of the flight deck?

Finally, I can't get over how gorgeous those carriers are. It seems a bit of a shame that I hope to spend a fair amount of time trying to destroy them.  :hide:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Vintage Dude on March 26, 2020, 11:05:56 AM
They are beautiful but they make me feel itchy. So I want to say "scratch one flattop". 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on March 26, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
HA!

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on March 26, 2020, 07:00:08 PM


What's the story with the islands being placed on opposite sides of the flight deck?


Japanese engineers thought that by moving the island to the opposite side of the ship, it would create more stable airflows over the surface to aid planes taking off and landing.  It didn't work.

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 27, 2020, 04:56:06 AM


What's the story with the islands being placed on opposite sides of the flight deck?


Japanese engineers thought that by moving the island to the opposite side of the ship, it would create more stable airflows over the surface to aid planes taking off and landing.  It didn't work.

Yes indeed. The whole island thing - intimately linked to the choice to make the funnels like they were - was a mess.
These were way too small (and ridiculously so for Kaga & Soryu), unable to provide any useful space that would be otherwise used for aviators, admiral quarters, intelligence needs, deck repair parties, air planning, etc... In the end these spaces that didn't exist over the deck had to be put under the deck, cramming further the guts of the ship - something they couldn't allow considering they went for double hangar decks in all the designs, Ryujo included. No hope to put a heavy armored deck on top of this either - the main deck is under the hangar, not over it, and they were certainly sufficiently top-heavy like that. Man, in retrospect these fat Japanese CV might look cute, but they mostly managed to accumulate all the worst aspects of the UK & US designs without implementing any of their best practices.

British CVs were probably one of the best designs there is to have wartime considering their situation - while the initial weaknesses of the US designs being largely compensated by their great number, resilience, deck park practices and the USN overall "make-do" spirit. It's just too bad that the flying arm of the FAA proper was so lacking in terms of high performing planes early on. I would love to see how a Kido Butai made of British-type CVs carrying Japanese carrier planes would behave against an American Task Force in 1942. At some point I might indulge in this kind of dreadful sins... But, well, history comes first.

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Is it my imagination or some sort of weird perspective in the above image but does the Akagi have a crown at the central elevator with a slight downward slope towards both the bow and the stern?
No, you have a good eye, it's not your imagination. Akagi had the forward part of her flight deck angled downwards to help with the speed for planes taking off - same thing on the other side, to help with landings. The good news is that the system works too when you're landing the other way around. Let's say it's a good idea stemming from the few openings allowed by her otherwise rather poor overall design.

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aside from the patterns painted on the decks, why green?
Well, no idea - probably that it would blend well enough with the see around to give a confusing picture. On the side (it's not as visible) a darker area was painted too to make them look smaller and shorter. In both cases I don't find the result very convincing, but they certainly had style!

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Finally, I can't get over how gorgeous those carriers are. It seems a bit of a shame that I hope to spend a fair amount of time trying to destroy them.
Well, you know, like Vintage Dude would say in a war bonds fashion, "Scratch an itch, scratch one flattop!"  :peace:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on March 28, 2020, 12:31:28 PM
In the latest news, we've been busy reworking the old lady that is USS Yorktown. She was our very first 3D model, and she needed a good refit to be put up to speed. There she is - and we went the extra mile to provide her with pretty nice guts, if I dare say.

It is all mostly eye candy, you're not expected to walk around the place, but American carriers being known for being very "open" on the sides we needed to make sure that their "inner beauty" would be preserved  :coolsmiley:
Don't ask me if we will see little sailors run around. Time will tell ;)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280946004587577345/693468888155029554/566aba52979969c8f00678108a79c9f.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280946004587577345/693468947227607111/b0b1db396395737ad96b3e98758f827.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280946004587577345/693468908036030514/9b6b072381e20814d00c1fbe5bd548a.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280946004587577345/693468991821316116/eb2baca7254ea1cc154bea4bfc75a0d.png)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 02, 2020, 02:29:41 PM
Hi boys!
Hi girls!
Anybody feels like having a piece of our latest update? Feel free to bite a good chunk, there's more where that came from... :smitten:

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/header.png)

https://drydockdreams.games/2020/04/02/tropical-inceptions/

Have a nice ride!  8)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on April 02, 2020, 03:00:18 PM
Thanks for the update Admiral!  This one might actually make me divide my gaming time between this and WOWS.  Stay safe/healthy.

(p.s.  Gonna guess Matrixgames is/will be the publisher)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on April 02, 2020, 03:37:49 PM
I love those interior renders. And that air ops prototype was brilliant - holy moly that was nice to watch.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 02, 2020, 10:39:49 PM
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Thanks for the update Admiral!  This one might actually make me divide my gaming time between this and WOWS.  Stay safe/healthy.
Thanks for the kind words Steve. Well, soon enough you might also want to divide your gaming time between WoWs, us... AND THE LATEST GAME FROM KILLERFISH THAT GOT ANNOUNCED THIS MORNING  :bd:



Great days we're living in, aren't we ;)

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(p.s.  Gonna guess Matrixgames is/will be the publisher)
I can't say much more - but it wouldn't be much of a paradigm shift if so, wouldn't you think ;)
(And thanks for reading the update to the end. You're a good man! O0)

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I love those interior renders. And that air ops prototype was brilliant - holy moly that was nice to watch.
Thanks Fish! Happy to know that some can see what's happening under the hood with this video. Baby steps, but steps nonetheless  \m/
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on April 03, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
Never had any idea aircraft could be stored that way in the hangar, or that they had "U" shaped steel beams they could run the aircraft tail wheel out on when on the deck.  I bet that was kinda a sketchy operation.  We used to have to raise heavy masts on LCMs that were converted to ferries and it was always sketchy.  Looked kinda like raising the flag on Mount Suribachi.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on April 03, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
Quote
(p.s.  Gonna guess Matrixgames is/will be the publisher)
I can't say much more - but it wouldn't be much of a paradigm shift if so, wouldn't you think ;)
(And thanks for reading the update to the end. You're a good man! O0)

#:-)  Reading is so overrated
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on April 03, 2020, 06:31:22 PM
Never had any idea aircraft could be stored that way in the hangar, or that they had "U" shaped steel beams they could run the aircraft tail wheel out on when on the deck.  I bet that was kinda a sketchy operation.  We used to have to raise heavy masts on LCMs that were converted to ferries and it was always sketchy.  Looked kinda like raising the flag on Mount Suribachi.

It was a method for maximizing the number of spare aircraft onboard.  Wargaming at the NWC in the 1928-1935 era showed that aircraft losses would be high, so a carrier needed to have a lot of  aircraft spares.  The carriers designed in this era were included provisions for keeping nearly ready spares triced up in the hanger overheads.  However, when the USS Wasp was torpedoed, the spares came crashing down on fueled aircraft in the hanger bay, puncturing their gas tanks.  The resulting fires were uncontrollable, and resulted in the loss of the ship.  I believe tricing the aircraft in the overheads stopped shortly thereafter. 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 03, 2020, 10:38:20 PM
Aye, Tripoli is right - although the practice wasn't discontinued before the new 1943 instructions came online. At that time the sheer number of decks made it less efficient & more risky than it was worth. During the remainder of the Guadalcanal campaign though, the few decks available had to be packed, and one of the most ridiculous situations was probably Hornet's ordeal at Santa Cruz if I remember well. That ship was packed full all the way to her eyes, with every bit of overhead area crowded with a plane.
Arguably it was also a more complicated affair in 1942 than it was later on - the SBD makes more the majority of the plane park, and it happens to be the only one without folding wings. Right now we're in the process of trying different configurations about our Yorktown model, and I can tell you the actual capacity of the hangar is a joke. :uglystupid2:

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/662183200344375316/695853801810165790/unknown.png)

Even in such a configuration, we're still at 25 SBDs max. We might be able to stretch it a tad bit, but gosh isn't it super tight already. Our new CV-5 model (that you have seen already) is being integrated and will allow for a more accurate distribution, but even then, I expect it to be very very tight. It means that folding wings planes have actually to be prioritize for hangar space, and SBDs should be mainly on the flight deck park (where wings are not subject to the rule of hangar walls) with outriggers used as much as possible, otherwise even the average Midway plane count is just a wet dream. :buck2:

Btw Tripoli, had your mail, will get a reply out for you later today - sorry about that  ::)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 07, 2020, 11:52:53 AM
Now there's that one ship, you might have heard of her.😇

She went down exactly 75 years & a few hours ago.


Even though people knew her as a ferocious monster or a very expensive floating resort, one can say that although it failed at delivering the Imperial Japanese Navy with a decisive weapon, High Command still nailed the marketing - after all, she delivered us with a very acceptable anime series & fanboys are still drooling over her 18 inchers decades afterwards.😅

Ladies & gentlemen, I introduce you to Lady Yamato, in her 1945 garment (but don't worry, the proper 1942 outfit - and her sister Musashi's own configuration - will be available soon too)!
Of course, useful to war effort like a dead brick worth 70.000 tons of steel, but hey. Judging by her popularity, awesomeness is a currency better suited to our days of peace, I'd say!

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289121257197404160/696919221770387508/unknown.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393587655335477249/696924791361372170/unknown.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393587655335477249/697135247627649054/yamato_3.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393587655335477249/697135256222040134/yamato_4.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 07, 2020, 12:08:39 PM
So damned sexy.

There I said it.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on April 07, 2020, 01:04:20 PM
I want to sink her. Again.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on April 07, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
Man alive, that's a big, beautiful ship.

That's what a warship is supposed to look like, not that fancy pants sci-fi crap we have now!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GroggyGrognard on April 07, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
I would torpedo that hull any day.

Groggy
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 11, 2020, 07:06:52 AM
Happy to know there are still people of taste out there with an appreciation for them fine curves  :coolsmiley:

Today something different - some sort of micro VFX breakdown, where you get to see the team hard at work on the shadows & the lighting. We gotta prepare a few screenshots & video reels for a big announcement, so better make the most of it  ^-^
Here's the Akagi fighter unit flying low over its homebase. You see the "naked" phase, the "material" phase & the "reflection" phase - and the final result. I can assure you it looks even better in motion  :notworthy:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694145636874059787/698505276306751548/93013208_231719381515469_8786449536433258496_o.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694145636874059787/698505309551067136/92472946_231719428182131_751086438862290944_n.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694145636874059787/698505328261857290/93378136_231719441515463_4653639508082819072_n.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694145636874059787/698505356103647302/93104585_231719281515479_3342089815964254208_o.png)

Say hi to the First Air Fleet  :knuppel2:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694145636874059787/698512534810132550/article_1.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 11, 2020, 04:17:53 PM
Hi!

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on April 12, 2020, 10:36:58 AM
Wow!  Impressive work.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on April 12, 2020, 05:19:27 PM
 :D

This is too much for my heart to take.

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: gregb41352 on April 14, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
Just beautiful!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 14, 2020, 11:08:17 AM
Thank you boys!   ;)
Here, as our recording session for the teaser continues, a lot of content has to be cut - it would be a shame not to share a few highlights, wouldn't it  :coolsmiley:
I can't tell you, it's waaay better in motion. But I am pretty proud of our VFX for the flak I must say  ^-^
Cheers and enjoy the PTO pr0n  >:D

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665040718168074/15868830091.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665054773280818/15868829351.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665060011966544/15868834261.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665068018892820/15868830771.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665763673571349/15868836201.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665084305244250/15868832611.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658850871437819933/699665094304595969/dive.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on April 14, 2020, 05:00:05 PM
I've often wondered what the reason was that the dive brakes on SBDs were painted red inside. Was it to warn others friendlies following behind that the plane's airspeed would be dropping off quickly and not to run into it or not to fly past below it and hit any releasing ordinance?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 14, 2020, 07:10:53 PM
Good question - no idea. I am not sure I've ever seen a reason mentioned in the documents I have. I might investigate  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Tripoli on April 14, 2020, 07:31:18 PM
My uneducated guess is that it was for collision avoidance in a dive.  A squadron in a dive had aircraft separated by only 100-150 yards.  The blue SBD in front for the squadron would blend in with the blue sea below, making it more difficult to establish its position/range, especially with AA fire and the miscellaneous other distractions that is typical of combat operations.   Additionally, the pilots would be concentrating on aiming their aircraft, and would be relying on peripheral vision for situational awareness of the proximity of nearby aircraft  The red dive brakes would stand out more in this situation, assisting the trailing pilots in avoiding the aircraft in front.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 14, 2020, 07:36:32 PM
Aye, seems logical indeed!  :notworthy:
Although I don't know if white painted planes would receive the same treatment - but well I guess white, black or whatever would blend in the ocean all the same. You both gentlemen probably nailed it, as a rear light system for the guy behind (although as Tripoli says it's more of a positioning/range thing probably, when it comes to ordinance they usually have a good idea of who dived before them)

You shouldn't be worried to be hit by release ordnance, the fuse and altitude somewhat preclude this. It's no "Midway"  ;)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 18, 2020, 06:53:08 AM
Hey kid.

Want some awesomeness?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49787844833_0e9799e01d_o.gif)

(give it time to load and loop, it's a rather chunky baby...)

Some little bugs left & right, but we're getting there. Obviously it's nothing like what should happen IRL - but hey, it's for the teaser - on n'attrape pas les mouches avec du miel if you will pardon my french ;)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: sandman2575 on April 18, 2020, 07:16:23 AM
Amazing!   :o

So, this is releasing really soon, right Admiral?   Right?    :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on April 18, 2020, 09:48:31 AM
That's some pretty footage right there. Brothers... I HAVE FOUND my next GREAT LOVE! Or plain carnal desire either way.  :-*
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on April 18, 2020, 11:38:04 AM
WOW!  This is what I dreamed about in 1979, but I never got around to finishing building my detachment of MPC Devastators for attacks on my telescope box with it's lego superstructure.   ;D
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/airfixtributeforum/mpc-1-72-douglas-tbd-1-devastator-2-2109-t46847.html (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/airfixtributeforum/mpc-1-72-douglas-tbd-1-devastator-2-2109-t46847.html)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on April 18, 2020, 02:22:36 PM
THROUGH ALL THE FIRE AND THE SMOKE
WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP HOPE!  :D :D :smitten: :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on April 18, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Very cool!! 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 18, 2020, 05:43:10 PM
Frickin' awesome!!

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 19, 2020, 06:54:35 AM
Thank you all  :smitten:

So, this is releasing really soon, right Admiral?   Right?    :D

I am afraid your thirst - and all the diverse levels of carnal desire expressed by the other gentlemen in these pages over the last few weeks - will have to wait at least another year to be somewhat quenched. If we release in 18 months from now, consider ourselves lucky...!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: sandman2575 on April 19, 2020, 07:40:41 AM
I am afraid your thirst - and all the diverse levels of carnal desire expressed by the other gentlemen in these pages over the last few weeks - will have to wait at least another year to be somewhat quenched. If we release in 18 months from now, consider ourselves lucky...!

And lo, throughout the land there was much lamentation and gnashing of teeth!    Sandman 5:12

In seriousness, appreciate the honesty. Task Force Admiral is shaping up to be something truly special. Even if we're still ~1.5 years away!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 19, 2020, 10:55:33 AM
18 months  :-[

 :'(
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 20, 2020, 08:00:41 PM
No worry guys  :coolsmiley:
As long as we all survive the Corona, I am pretty sure I can deliver you with a game - now, will it fit your demanding expectations, that I don't know - but I'll try  :peace:

And because you are fine gents, you get another treat!

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/701975509575270410/cruisers_gotta_cruise.gif)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on April 20, 2020, 08:02:57 PM
Oooh... so shiny!  :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on April 21, 2020, 01:46:03 AM
I swear I can hear that night battle "gurgling sound" from "In Harm's Way". 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on April 21, 2020, 07:37:32 AM
Sweet!  I think I can survive 18 months as long as The_Admiral keeps supplying us with PTO p0rn  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 21, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
Sweet!  I think I can survive 18 months as long as The_Admiral keeps supplying us with PTO p0rn  O0

Oh dear, kind soul... You have no idea of the amount of naughtiness about to hit the beaches next week  >:D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on April 21, 2020, 10:07:08 AM
Not sure if this involves one of those famous French nude beaches or Guadalcanal pics and I don't know which one I want more.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 21, 2020, 10:28:27 AM
Look at The_Admiral getting all strumpeted up!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on April 21, 2020, 01:04:18 PM
Can we not do both? Nude BB's with double D's?  <:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 21, 2020, 11:17:31 PM
Look at The_Admiral getting all strumpeted up!

No worry Gus, we'll make sure to draw you like one of our French girls. With the fitting top heavy design.

By the way, jokes aside, I really mean it (the importance of next week's announcement, not to depict Gusington in his birthday suit). The next week's event is to be a game changer, maybe even a paradigm shift in the world of our little niche (that is wargaming & history games in general) and there will be a wealth of joy & trivia to share. Stay tuned  :smiley6600:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on April 22, 2020, 07:56:15 AM
You finally reveal the kind souls who will be publishing your game to us unwashed masses?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on April 22, 2020, 08:04:02 AM
Joy and Trivia we shall await!  <:-)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 22, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
I washed last week!

Eagerly awaiting your announcement.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FarAway Sooner on April 22, 2020, 02:05:41 PM
Not sure if this involves one of those famous French nude beaches or Guadalcanal pics and I don't know which one I want more.

Trust me, Hollywood has really exaggerated the whole thing.  The people you see at nude beaches look like the people you see at the grocery store. 

But with no clothes on...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Skoop on April 22, 2020, 02:25:07 PM
^ Your probably right. 

Though I did find one in Tahiti that rocked.  After surviving surfing at Teahapoo every morning, we stopped for lunch at a beach were French and Tahitian girls would stroll the beach topless.  It was a great way to forget almost drowning every morning.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 22, 2020, 04:05:17 PM
^Paging Dr. Toonces...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 22, 2020, 08:41:46 PM
Seeing the subtle overtones of the last few contributions, I take that pr0n seems to be allowed to a certain extent, as long as it remains ship-related  C:-)
Care for more booty? Careful what you wish for!  :coolsmiley:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/702708598404284426/EWQGRULU0AAMSQy.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/702708605102718986/EWQGI3VVAAAp_SX.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/702708597334999082/EWQGTuZUYAEwISc.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/702708615806713896/EWQGdPuUYAAQBiH.png)

Ship-model wise we're 50% there. Still a long way to go, but we're what's done is done  :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on April 22, 2020, 09:19:39 PM
God I hope I live long enough to play this game.

Which is just but one reason you'll not find me out at Teahupoo...

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZC_YCUhEotw/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on April 23, 2020, 06:14:54 AM
You actually responded to the page!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IICptMillerII on April 23, 2020, 06:33:21 AM
Those ship models look fantastic, even though they're completely naked of textures. Call me crazy, but one of the appeals to wargames like this is the visuals. Just being able to see the ships modeled in 3D, sailing through the ocean with aircraft flying CAP's overhead is worth the price of admission for me. The fighting is a lot of fun too though!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MC on April 23, 2020, 07:00:18 AM
Those ships seem to be following the social distancing guidelines.  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: ulrickaka on April 23, 2020, 07:32:41 AM
Flexing moderator muscles? 

Yep, there's a new sheriff in town, folks.   :cowboy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: sandman2575 on April 23, 2020, 07:46:29 AM
Call me crazy, but one of the appeals to wargames like this is the visuals. Just being able to see the ships modeled in 3D, sailing through the ocean with aircraft flying CAP's overhead is worth the price of admission for me.

Not crazy at all!  My tolerance for micro-management in games has really waned over time. I love just being able to give some general orders and watch things unfold in games like Graviteam Tactics Mius Front and its (strangely underrated) cousin, Tank Warfare Tunisia '43.

Very different genre of course, but one of the thing I like best about Endless Space 2 is the cinematic, hands-off fleet combat. It was implemented much less well in the first Endless Space, where if felt frustrating. But they got the formula right in ES2.

Which reminds me -- I really need to start recording and then watching afterward the battles in Steel Division 2. The game is a bit click-festy, but it moves slower than the Wargame series, and I feel like I wind up missing a lot of the gorgeous combat while actually playing.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: bobarossa on April 23, 2020, 09:57:24 AM
i want to know about volume 1 american carrier battle  superglue
I think all spammers need to be superglued to the bottom of a carrier!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on April 23, 2020, 02:40:07 PM
Now that is quite a collection.  Thanks Admiral.  O0 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on April 24, 2020, 04:02:36 PM
Seeing these ship models all lined up in one solid color reminds me of something I ordered out of a comic book long ago, but way better  O0 http://www.thortrains.net/milihistriot/comictoys/comicbookwargamesFightingShips.html (http://www.thortrains.net/milihistriot/comictoys/comicbookwargamesFightingShips.html)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on April 30, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
Look at The_Admiral getting all strumpeted up!

By the way, jokes aside, I really mean it (the importance of next week's announcement, not to depict Gusington in his birthday suit). The next week's event is to be a game changer, maybe even a paradigm shift in the world of our little niche (that is wargaming & history games in general) and there will be a wealth of joy & trivia to share. Stay tuned  :smiley6600:

The anticipation is keeping me on edge.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 01, 2020, 08:57:56 PM
Thank you for your support Bro  :notworthy:
Unfortunately we had to push back all this a few days because of Steam's approval process taking ages (well, what doesn't considering our current situation).
In the meantime enjoy our little homage to Hornet & the Doolittle Raiders coming your way, gentlemen  :notworthy:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705971440104505404/Hornet_-_small.png)

That one will be available in a wallpaper format if there are some takers  O0

Hornet & the Yorkies in general got some love indeed along the way - first, here's Horny Maru in full 3D with her complement of raiders...

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705247339782078495/Hornet_april_2.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705247346673582100/Hornet_april_1.png)

... and here along with her sisters, who are not going to be clones for a change. Yorktown, Enterprise (one of her configurations at least ^-^) and Hornet. Still some work to do, the radars are not there yet, but still better than nothing. I am proud to announce that we're making the first game that gives them their own 3D model - besides whatever warship girl games might have come up with of course  >:D

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705255098925711430/YorktownClassIsland000.png)

The usual mandatory dev blog update is on its way and should show up soon, so see you there  ^-^
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on May 01, 2020, 10:06:39 PM
That is a seriously short takeoff run for the lead plane.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 01, 2020, 11:34:39 PM
Aye, but so it was indeed

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705971652453859348/hornet_2.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705971606631219270/hornet_1.png)

The was recorded on film too - the timing was great, she was pushed into the air the moment Hornet's bow found itself at the top of a big swell, and the effect is made more impressive as at that time, Hornet was actually riding down the same wave, increasing the negative angle. Doesn't mean it was exactly a skyrocket-like ascension  :buck2:
(for the exact scene, jump to 1:55)



Not all raiders were lucky enough to have the same treatment. IIRC the one after Jimmy Doolittle nearly got into the drink...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on May 02, 2020, 05:11:44 AM

That one will be available in a wallpaper format if there are some takers  O0


Yes please
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on May 02, 2020, 07:26:57 AM
Thank you for your support Bro  :notworthy:
Unfortunately we had to push back all this a few days because of Steam's approval process taking ages (well, what doesn't considering our current situation).
In the meantime enjoy our little homage to Hornet & the Doolittle Raiders coming your way, gentlemen  :notworthy:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705971440104505404/Hornet_-_small.png)

That one will be available in a wallpaper format if there are some takers  O0

Hornet & the Yorkies in general got some love indeed along the way - first, here's Horny Maru in full 3D with her complement of raiders...

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705247339782078495/Hornet_april_2.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705247346673582100/Hornet_april_1.png)

... and here along with her sisters, who are not going to be clones for a change. Yorktown, Enterprise (one of her configurations at least ^-^) and Hornet. Still some work to do, the radars are not there yet, but still better than nothing. I am proud to announce that we're making the first game that gives them their own 3D model - besides whatever warship girl games might have come up with of course  >:D

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/705255098925711430/YorktownClassIsland000.png)

The usual mandatory dev blog update is on its way and should show up soon, so see you there  ^-^
I would love that as wallpaper  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 02, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Cheers, will do ;)

In the meantime some more eye candy - I am afraid dawn patrols are a thing even on weekends...  ^-^
But there's probably no better spot to admire a sunrise over the South Pacific, is there?

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341312952344772608/706316380936339537/15875783501.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341312952344772608/706316453883805797/screenshot_04212020_213404827.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341312952344772608/706316476281258106/screenshot_04212020_212934723.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on May 02, 2020, 08:44:54 PM
Wow, this really looks game-changing.  I feel like if the gameplay is right you guys are making history.

Can you share any details on how the gameplay will evolve, especially compared to, say, Carriers at War?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 03, 2020, 02:40:20 AM
Uh uh I realize only now that I unconsciously mimicked the intro of Pacific Air War... Freudian connection I guess  :coolsmiley:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/706340384141213696/unknown.png)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/706340466320343110/unknown.png)

Anyway,

Wow, this really looks game-changing.  I feel like if the gameplay is right you guys are making history.

Can you share any details on how the gameplay will evolve, especially compared to, say, Carriers at War?

Compared to Carriers at war, I would say
- Expect Realtime to replace Run5 overall (which was arguably a way to simulate realtime at a time when pulses were the norm - just like in Harpoon 1). This means a more controllable flow for the info, and overall we'll make sure the tools to survey this info are a bit more advanced and easy to follow. Naturally it also means that there's no magic button jumping to the next action, so overall the game flow is perhaps a bit more laid back.

- On the other hand, when crap hits the fan, expect it to be somewhat more interactive & exciting than your average CAW combat resolution. Especially if you're looking straight at that Val diving on your own carrier :P Besides, surface combat, if it was to happen, will naturally be resolved in full 3D at a level comparable to Fighting Steel + World of Warships-grade ballistics.

- One of the main differences with other wargames on the topic is that fog of war will be - how would I say - realistic? Of course we will let people have it their way in the settings (if you want to have a 1:1 3D CAW whatever it's your life) but I really want to design this around the sort of experience you read from books like Lundstrom's Black Shoe Carrier Admiral. Anybody who has read Shattered Sword knows that these battles were fought pretty much in the dark and uncertainty - which is in little supply in CAW, or any other wargame for what it's worth. For years we've been used to see what our scouts could see, or know when they got shot down. For years we've been used to lead robots instead of men. Had the Japanese scouts been like they are in CAW, Midway wouldn't have happened the way it did - and had Waldron been like he is in CAW, he would have never disobeyed his CAG. Hell, I don't remember really, but I am not even sure you could send a package on a search & destroy mission in CAW like Hornet did that day. Planes will always come back and find your task force even if you steamed in the wrong direction and missed the point option - again, no Midway there. No way the Japanese escort will leave its bombers to attack targets of opportunity in CAW either - yet again, no Hiryu strike. I could go on forever for every comparable battle. Although CAW is one of the most accurate carrier wargame in existence, if not the most (but there's still JT's own Midway of course) it only barely scrap the surface of what's possible. Our turn to build on this legacy and improve on it if we can.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Nefaro on May 03, 2020, 11:09:19 PM
Great to hear fog of war is being given a higher priority.  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on May 05, 2020, 03:48:50 PM
I got a very interesting group email mentioning a very familiar name today...  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on May 05, 2020, 04:34:45 PM
Now on my wishlist  :peace:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Vintage Dude on May 05, 2020, 04:37:07 PM
WISHLISTED
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on May 05, 2020, 04:40:19 PM
Seeing the trailer with the Microprose title attached....


The Admiral owes me a new pair of pants.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on May 05, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
Added to my wish list today.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: smithcorp on May 07, 2020, 03:17:23 AM
Wishlisted too!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 07, 2020, 08:04:35 AM
Thank you gentlemen  :bd:
I feel a bit guilty, as I haven't made a proper announcement. Please allow me to indulge in this pleasant affair  :coolsmiley:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697170463272730624/707160745405841480/823c534122ac0c4ea2ec7b3ef3538541a5ae23a3.png)

(well, don't mind the Tomcat, that's a pic for all of us ;) )



And because like some fancy TV show tells us, these violent delights have violent ends, you will now be forcefully invited to hit that lovely wishlist button showing up on our steam page. Or we will make sure to find you. In quarantine days, it's not like you could run away very far, can you?  :knuppel2:

There!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1281220

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/707951003324121140/unknown.png)

Besides, we also have our official discord up - so if you're one of these who like to add yet another app to their busy desktop (not like you had much better to do these days ammarite) well, feel welcome to join!
https://discord.gg/gXTFQ6A

Again, I cannot overstate enough the joy and satisfaction it brings us - the relief, too. It's all thanks to you. Not saying we're here for the wishlist numbers (still, don't you think you'll escape us) but over all these months we spent spamming your butts in here, you brought to us the single most important resource the engine of a Dev team works on: hope.

And comfort too. To a certain extent - although maybe I should be worried like a father is worried about his daughter on the eve of prom when I think of ever putting my game in the hands of Gus, but we'll make sure she's as ready as one can get by the time it happens  :hide: :arr:

Cheers and thank you again, all of you!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 08:31:43 AM
I washed my hands!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Vintage Dude on May 07, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Is the F-14 Tomcat from "The Final Countdown" DLC ????
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: SirAndrewD on May 07, 2020, 10:32:16 AM
Is the F-14 Tomcat from "The Final Countdown" DLC ????

Man, I hope so! 

SPLASH THE ZEROES!

And, yeah, of course I wishlisted.  :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: gregb41352 on May 07, 2020, 12:59:04 PM
Wishlisted immediately.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: planetbrain on May 07, 2020, 07:12:17 PM
Wish listed (of course).
Is this really going to be as good as it seems?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on May 13, 2020, 06:04:16 PM
[hijack on]

Hellfish6, I figured out why it seems like you've been here longer.  I've been playing one of your CMO scenarios.  That's why your name sounded so familiar.

Carry on.

[/hijack off]
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: hellfish6 on May 13, 2020, 06:44:28 PM
Uh oh... which one?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: ArizonaTank on May 13, 2020, 08:32:02 PM
Now on my wishlist  :peace:

+1
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 21, 2020, 08:12:14 AM
Hello there Gents :)

Sorry for the silence lately - been very much busy with the latest developments. All of them good, of course - but stuff that needs to be taken care of, at any rate.

I sincerely hope to be able to make an actual dev update next week. We'll see. But in the meantime, here's some new-ish footage along with a commentary from MagZ, that the simulation types among you might have heard of before. You are certainly familiar with what is being covered in there, but some new action scenes are always welcome (that is, before we finally get to show some interface stuff at some point, of course :P)



Cheers everybody!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on May 21, 2020, 11:34:56 AM
Very interesting video.  I'm looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on May 22, 2020, 07:27:31 PM
Great commentary by Magz.

Glad to see he is following as is Tim over at the Flare Path.

David
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on May 23, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
That was an impressive video. I haven't been this hyped for a game in a very long time  :smitten:
I just might have to get that great monitor I've wanted a long time when this hits the shelves.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 31, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
Hi guys!

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/header-april-may-2020.png)

The last update was kind of a Johnny-come-lately, but at least Johnny found some goodies on the way here  :coolsmiley:
I haven't made it public just yet - so you're most welcome to have a look and tell me if everything seems to work fine in there!

https://drydockdreams.games/2020/05/31/a-new-dawn

Great thanks  :))
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on May 31, 2020, 11:26:37 AM
Great read, downloaded the wall-papers. The text underneath some images is a bit wonky, but no biggie.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 01, 2020, 09:09:52 AM
Thanks R-Man
I got rid of the captions, they got crazy with the latest updates to wordpress. I integrated all this to the text proper, should be fine now on all browsers.

Cheers!

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/screenshot_04222020_140248153.png)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/screenshot_04212020_185059469.png)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/screenshot_04212020_191728277-1.png)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/screenshot_04212020_205438685.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 11, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
Experimenting with AI vs AI combat, basic ballistics, basic armor & damage models...  :arr:
That Zero died, but it died for a cause!  :notworthy: 

Time to teach them Wildcats the good old Thach Weave now! :peace:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49995723532_4b00a72018_o.gif)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on June 11, 2020, 10:52:43 AM
O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on June 11, 2020, 02:24:09 PM
...my brain is having trouble parsing the rollout order of those Doolittle Raiders in that stack after the Hornet's castle. The one on the left is behind the left wing of the one on the right; and the one on the right looks totally blocked by the superstructure, even from wheeling left in front of the other plane.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 11, 2020, 08:26:20 PM
Ah, the raiders sure were quite a tight fit. Although they were in a much more loosened configuration for most of the trip (partly because they didn't want to arise suspicion, partly because, well, it certainly was easier to service and arm the planes that way). What's funny in the end is that they didn't need the whole length of the deck to take off - or if they needed it, they just didn't get to enjoy it much, considering the less cooperative swells did deprive some of the unluckiest planes of a good chunk of potential real estate.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 13, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
And... Payback time!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50001597531_0a342a7e0d_o.gif)

(well, more or less - this rugged structure and them self-sealing tanks are just enough sometimes...)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on June 13, 2020, 10:40:24 AM
Nice, he got away!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on June 13, 2020, 11:18:16 AM
Nice, he got away!

I’m not so certain, the hits walked across the cockpit multiple times.

I hope there is a replay function, watching the action reel after the fact will be amazing!!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 13, 2020, 10:39:58 PM
Aye, I would expect him to be pretty much toast.
Pilots & other plane modules will be simulated - with a hail of fire of that kind, it's pretty sure the pilot / the Zed Baker / the instrument panel / the radio and other modules of varying importance are all in pieces. I would expect it to go on much further (although if you are to believe Saburo Sakai & Pub Southerland about their day over Guadalcanal, the lady sure could be a tough customer...!)

https://pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/f4f/5192.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pug_Southerland


Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 23, 2020, 06:40:06 AM
Admiral with your references to the Destroyer game I posted being more like an interactive adventure. What would you term your game?
I have started reading a midway novel recommended by the fighter pilot podcast and am a little more pumped for your game. But I got the feeling that it would be a little stale to play, like an interactive movie. I'd love to know where you think the tense moments will be and what the replay-ability will be of your game? Will their be the ability to move carriers from other theatres or build more? Will pilot rosters be like cricket captain or something similar? Will the actual aircraft engagements be play be play with the player controlling every aspect with perfect knowledge of where and when every unit is on his\her side?
I really have to read the last 10 pages of your blog here and really get into the news on your game.
Are we going to be doing planning from a map or briefing room?
Did you say it was single player only ? Can you not do some sort of real time WEGO for multiplayer turns like combat mission does. Heck download the combat mission demo and see what I mean.

I hope the world is not dry and lifeless. Those carrier decks have to be full of life and people running around?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 23, 2020, 08:22:31 AM
Hey Daestrex,

sorry gotta go to bed on this side of the world  :hide:
But don't force them 10 pages of updates on yourself - if you want a good start have a look at the piece we had with Tim Stone over at RPS, it should help with a lot of the questions you asked.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/02/14/the-flare-path-talks-task-force-admiral/

After that you can have a look at Magz' video on our stuff here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87K1vY79_2c

I'll be back for those questions these two affairs didn't answer thoroughly already  O0

Cheers  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on June 23, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
Very interesting interview in RPS. I am impressed with the level of 3D damage/simulation models. A sweet feature in the game could be some kind of AAR or "battleground forensics" where all damage to ships are displayed and what those hits lead to and what was the deciding factor that sunk the ship.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on June 23, 2020, 05:52:28 PM
Just read the RPS article.  Nothing not to like in there.  I think including a scenario editor is absolutely key to mitigating any huff about "only" ~30 scenarios.  With an editor the potential is really infinite.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 24, 2020, 11:35:23 PM
Hey Daestrex,

sorry gotta go to bed on this side of the world  :hide:
But don't force them 10 pages of updates on yourself - if you want a good start have a look at the piece we had with Tim Stone over at RPS, it should help with a lot of the questions you asked.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/02/14/the-flare-path-talks-task-force-admiral/

After that you can have a look at Magz' video on our stuff here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87K1vY79_2c

I'll be back for those questions these two affairs didn't answer thoroughly already  O0

Cheers  :coolsmiley:

Thanks Cobber,

Will give them a burl later.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 27, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
Artsy time for those of you who would be men of taste in the audience  :peace:



I always thought them Vals looked better in green  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on June 27, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
Nice looking Val!  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
The Val was my favorite in Battlehawks 1942 on the Amiga ❤️

I also always loved the Stuka and the Bf110 - I have a thing for dive bombers and big nasty slow planes with heavy armor and cannon.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on June 27, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
The Japanese, like the Russians, make some beautiful airplanes for sure.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IICptMillerII on June 27, 2020, 01:54:32 PM
I've been in a real WWII funk recently, but I have to say Mr. The_Admiral (or is that sir to me?) all these teasers and your game in general is really pulling me back! The more we see of this game the more I want it. It seriously looks fantastic!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
^That's Sir to you er uh...Sir [technically you are a Sir to me, if you are indeed a CPT in real life...I will take you at your word].
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: IICptMillerII on June 27, 2020, 05:31:04 PM
Ha fair enough!

No, I'm not actually a captain, so no need to 'Sir' me. The name is a childhood holdover that I decided to stick with for nostalgia purposes. Consider it a ceremonial title haha.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2020, 05:55:08 PM
WHAT??

Fine.

You can call me Sir, then.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on June 27, 2020, 08:22:04 PM
"Sir Gus". Kind of sounds like, 'Circus' doesn't it? Appropriate?  ::)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on June 27, 2020, 09:25:15 PM
Depends...
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on July 25, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
Hello there boys!

Hope you're all doing fine.
Here's an update with the contents from the last few weeks, before we end up compiling the mandatory dev update some time soon, hopefully.

Unfortunately I didn't put all this on Youtube just yet - I will make a full video later. In the meantime please enjoy our Thach-Weave based shenanigans with the AI by clicking on the following thumbnails (and please tell me if that goddam thing works at all...)

Thanks! ^^

(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/50151645837_c3f1eb49c9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jpJi3V)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/50150857138_3ff571e7aa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jpEfAE)

Cheers! And have a fine weekend boys!



Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on August 14, 2020, 10:14:26 AM
Hello there, grognards

Some stuff you've seen - and mostly stuff you haven't in this latest update. The video is new too (it has the contents of the one above, and then some).

Enjoy the ride, and stay safe during the weekend! Cheers  :coolsmiley:

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1281220/announcements/detail/4397155783160563686

(https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/37689795/3c44f8c5c52bcc34fe82a223c1a67e65e5921886.png)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on August 14, 2020, 11:40:41 PM
Love the video on the AI fighter tactics. Very cool.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on August 15, 2020, 08:47:11 AM
I agree.  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on August 25, 2020, 08:37:22 AM
Cheer guys. Thanks, that's kind of you :)

* * * * * * * *
Something else entirely now.

A small, nice collab today together with another team in love with history and its topic, that might interest some of our fans. Take part to our lucky draw to win a Steam key from our friends making Grand Tactician: The Civil War, a remarkable strategic & tactical wargame on the ACW. Well you know the game well enough, it's been on the first page of this very forum since last week :)

Just enter the contest by clicking the link below (requires you to login to Steam though) and follow the instructions :
https://steamcommunity.com/games/1281220/announcements/detail/4596440885187678654

I promise you, it's not rigged. Got the game already, I swear! :P For anyone interested in the game, don't hesitate to pay these few Youtube channels a visit, they are showing a lot of gameplay lately:
@History Guy Gaming
 @thehistoricalgamer
@TortugaPower
@The Strategy Wargamer

Cheers & take care, Groggy crowd!
 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on August 25, 2020, 02:11:15 PM
Thanks Admiral O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on September 24, 2020, 06:58:52 PM
Hi there Grognards!

Our latest update is online. Feel free to come and have a look. But take your time though, loads of stuff to go through  8)
This way gentlemen  :hug:
https://drydockdreams.games/2020/09/24/summer-bonanza/

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/thumbnail.jpg)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/zeroes.png?w=1024)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/tf17-4-1.png?w=1024)

(https://drydockdreams.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/sbd-water-small.jpg?w=1024)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Strela on September 24, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Alain,

What an amazing and beautiful game you and the team are building. Thank you for the latest update, loved every detail!

David
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on September 24, 2020, 08:10:00 PM
These updates make me feel 15 again.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: demjansk1942 on September 25, 2020, 03:48:30 AM
Is this game out?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Rayfer on September 25, 2020, 06:39:19 AM
Is this game out?

Steam says "Planned Release Date: To be announced"....hopefully it lives up to the hype because it sure looks good.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on September 25, 2020, 07:17:32 AM
I saw a fascinating video about the differences between US Navy and IJN damage control systems, organization, equipment etc, and how that affected the course of action for better or worse. Will these hard and soft factors be modelled? If you haven't seen this it is well worth a watch:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on September 25, 2020, 09:25:00 AM
Looks very promising.  It's amazing what a dedicated development team can do with technology.   :) 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on September 25, 2020, 10:11:57 AM
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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on September 25, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
Ah, after a long week, a TFA update! -- now I can rest in peace!

...


......uh, that was a case of two different phrases (clauses?) I couldn't decide between, and a neuron just smudged them together because why not.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on September 26, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Thanks all of you guys, the kindness is always much appreciated  :notworthy:

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I saw a fascinating video about the differences between US Navy and IJN damage control systems, organization, equipment etc, and how that affected the course of action for better or worse. Will these hard and soft factors be modelled?
Yes they will. Doctrine-wise first, for each side (and differently at different times) but hopefully also ship-wise, for cases of ships being especially good or especially green as recorded in action (for instance Enterprise or Yorktown vs Hornet or Nashville). We'll talk more about that once we actually get there.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: gregb41352 on September 27, 2020, 03:17:12 PM
Day 1 buy for me.  Highly anticipated.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on September 28, 2020, 07:52:06 AM
Day minus-50 preorder for me!  :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on October 02, 2020, 05:28:25 PM
The wait is becoming positively unbearable  :o
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 02, 2020, 11:01:16 PM
Well, thanks but there is still much to endure I am afraid - and I am the first victim  :coolsmiley:

In the meantime, a great video just came out, and better than anything will explain why I absolutely want to make a box edition for TFA. It is well-done, except for the part that makes us feel old, of course  #:-)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on October 03, 2020, 05:55:26 AM
Well, thanks but there is still much to endure I am afraid - and I am the first victim  :coolsmiley:

In the meantime, a great video just came out, and better than anything will explain why I absolutely want to make a box edition for TFA. It is well-done, except for the part that makes us feel old, of course  #:-)


I have always thought that a cross-over between history books and wargames would be interesting. Personally I try to read history books depicting what I currently play in a wargame. History becomes a vehicle to better understand the game and the game becomes more immersive and interesting. And it works the other way around as well, that I understand why history played out the way it did when I come across decisions having to be made in the game and how it plays out.
A boxed set of the game with a manual one part history book and one part manual would be awesome. Sadly in the age of digital distribution it might be a hard sell, but maybe something that can be Kickstarted?
I'm old enough to miss the old days of boxed games with great artwork and the sensation of opening the manual for the first time. Most times on my way home after buying the game and eager to get started - the manual hightened the anticipation of getting into the game.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: fran on October 03, 2020, 08:12:19 AM
Well, thanks but there is still much to endure I am afraid - and I am the first victim  :coolsmiley:

In the meantime, a great video just came out, and better than anything will explain why I absolutely want to make a box edition for TFA. It is well-done, except for the part that makes us feel old, of course  #:-)



Never knew I wanted to watch a video on pc packaging.  :)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FarAway Sooner on October 04, 2020, 09:20:53 PM
For our generation, manuals were the  computer game equivalent of foreplay.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on October 04, 2020, 09:41:49 PM
I can remember the first time I got to, 'Second Base' with a manual.  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on October 05, 2020, 09:33:15 AM
For our generation, manuals were the  computer game equivalent of foreplay.
And now foreplay consists of "downloading...downloading...downloading......."
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on October 05, 2020, 01:19:22 PM
Use, 'protection' young man.  :timeout:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Hot lead and dirty talk! on October 05, 2020, 01:56:36 PM
You guys couldn't get laid even if you were carpet.

If by some small chance you did, (with a WOMAN!) you probably instantly asked her to marry you.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 05, 2020, 03:27:20 PM
Faraway that is some awesome quotable stuff up there.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: al_infierno on October 05, 2020, 03:47:16 PM
I've laid more skinny manuals on my desk than I can count on two hands.   :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on October 05, 2020, 08:54:03 PM
I like the ones that have all the big tables in the back.  ^-^     I'm not into large glossaries.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: al_infierno on October 05, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
Different strokes for different folks, as they say.  👉😎👉
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 10, 2020, 08:25:58 AM
Thank you gents!

A boxed set of the game with a manual one part history book and one part manual would be awesome. Sadly in the age of digital distribution it might be a hard sell, but maybe something that can be Kickstarted?

It is the plan  :D
Otherwise why would I share that kind of video - or do you think I am the kind who teases and doesn't let you approach the goods? What am I, a Hooters restaurant owner, some kind of monster basking in the suffering of others or what  :P

Talking about teasing...
There you go  ;)

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on October 10, 2020, 09:35:18 AM
First teasing I've ever actually looked forward to Admiral. Keep 'em coming.  O0
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on October 10, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
If the manual description happens, it is a guaranteed purchase for me.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on October 10, 2020, 08:02:24 PM
Always impressive continuations!  :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 24, 2020, 09:57:07 AM
Thanks chaps, always appreciated :)

And here's the weekly delivery!

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This TBD is proceeding forward while the player surveys the scene from the island’s air station (still to be made properly, of course). In other news, carriers are now learning to operate together & transfer planes to each other. All of this is, as always, very much work in progress, so don’t fret! It can only get better from now.

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Besides, we had a small community-based AI commander traits discussion on our discord yesterday, and we’re still taking suggestions - so if you’re into this kind of stuff, don’t hesitate to join us over there for a chat!

https://discord.com/invite/xyWqGak

Cheers gentlemen  8)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on October 25, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
Very nice!!  I like the aircraft selection table and look forward to seeing the target selection part.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on October 27, 2020, 07:27:42 AM
Thanks bro, appreciated ^^
In other news...

HAPPY NAVY DAY 2020
to all the sailing Grogheads  8)
And most importantly, take care & stay safe! S!

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on November 20, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Hello boys!

We have a new update online covering the work done in the last couple months. Hope you'll approve of the contents  :coolsmiley:

https://drydockdreams.games/2020/11/20/legends-fall/ (https://drydockdreams.games/2020/11/20/legends-fall/)

You all take good care and enjoy the weekend, gents!

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on November 21, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
First Rate stuff Admiral!  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on November 21, 2020, 09:45:23 AM
More great shots. Thanks Admiral!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on November 21, 2020, 02:08:26 PM
Eye candy  :smitten:
Dying to see some gameplay to get to know the intricacies of the game.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on November 22, 2020, 06:54:45 PM
I must live to play this game.  This might be my perfect game...loins so moist...   :buck2:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on November 23, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
Man, 2020 is a great time to be alive!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 17, 2020, 07:19:00 AM
Thank you kind crowd  :smitten:

Here's some more stuff, although sort of contemplative this time :)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on December 17, 2020, 08:12:25 AM
That looks entirely too peaceful for my tastes.  ;D  But it does look good.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on December 27, 2020, 01:36:06 AM
Then you'll certainly be happy with the utter violence included in our latest Christmas update, kind Sir  :peace:

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This way please gentlemen >  https://steamcommunity.com/games/1281220/announcements/detail/2931245981688855530

Besides, allow us to use this opportunity to wish a very fine Holiday season to all of you Grogheads. Take good care of yourself and of your loved ones. Cheers!

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: JasonPratt on December 31, 2020, 08:16:08 PM
As impressive as the landings were (in a strategy game no less), I was kind of distracted by how nice the scenery looks -- the clouds and distant mountains and waves.  :smitten:

(For some reason, the horizon scenery reminded me of the "Distant Mountains" storytelling trope, where the author casually drops in details hinting at other stories going on elsewhere.)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on December 31, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
Release Q1 2021?   ???
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on January 10, 2021, 06:42:08 AM
No way I am afraid Toonces, but it's always nice to know that at least someone expects us - someone with an acquired taste, no less  :coolsmiley:

Jason, if you like them horizons, the last posts from Saturday are for you! Pretty happy with the sort of feeling the vegetation gives on the crests of the hill at ground level.  :cowboy:

A few twitter updates over the last weeks. I'll post the links directly, and then the pics below. Gotta click on the link if you want the description I am afraid :)

https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1341415016910622722

https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1345376047412334592

https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1347904063266963459

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on January 10, 2021, 11:14:00 AM
Lookin' good as always  :nerd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on January 10, 2021, 09:48:19 PM
Makes me want to hop a plane to Tahiti. Then hop a Zero in a Wildcat.  :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on February 03, 2021, 03:09:54 AM
How will this compare to war on the sea by killerfish which came out today?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 03, 2021, 07:07:00 AM
Well, making my own game now precludes me from having a player's perspective that might sound fair & balanced, so better not walk down that path.

But let's just say that I am happy to acknowledge that the two projects are taking very different paths in terms of contents & gameplay despite the common setting, and that this game hasn't made our own irrelevant one bit.

Now as a player still I am a bit disappointed by some of the design choices, be them too radical or not enough, but it's his game and c'est la vie. Back to work now - and not to the drawing board, which in itself is quite the luxury  ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on February 03, 2021, 10:23:13 AM
From what I can see (and this is based entirely on gameplay videos and not actual experience), one of the big things that is not in WotS, but I "think" is a major feature of TF:A is flight deck management.

In WotS what I'm seeing so far is that you buy your planes, and then just launch your strike.  In TF:A, I think a lot of the tension is compiling your strike package while simultaneously managing your CAPs and cycling aircraft through the flight deck.  It's that tension of when to bring planes on board vs. keeping aloft a bit longer at the risk of losing them, or deciding to shoot a partial strike or wait until you can get a complete coordinated package together, that make the carrier battles so interesting.  I don't think this is present in WotS.

I'm sure there are many other aspects.  I get the sense that TF:A is a more granular carrier experience.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on February 03, 2021, 10:33:15 AM
You guys have gotta hustle up, Admiral.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 03, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Well that's one thing for sure, but WotS didn't claim being much into carrier ops anyway, so I can't blame the game for that. But more generally, we simply do not have the same design approach nor the same idea of the topic and what needs to be done to recreate an authentic experience. All carrier-focused we may be, still I will not release a game about naval combat in 1942 without searchlights and smoke screens and call it fine. Fine it might be for many others - just not for me.  ;)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 03, 2021, 10:38:24 AM
You guys have gotta hustle up, Admiral.

And quite the contrary though, what we have there today is also the confirmation that nobody does what we plan to do, and that releasing with issues too early is never as good as releasing later with none. So, we'll keep taking your time I am afraid  8)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on February 03, 2021, 06:54:28 PM
Admiral, I am liking what I hear.
It sounds like I will be much more interested in your game.
Have you got a broad ballpark timeline for beta? Will it release with star citizen in 5 years or so?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on February 03, 2021, 06:56:26 PM
I was reading the Steam forums re: WotS and TF:A came up a LOT in various discussions.  I'm really looking forward to this game, man.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 03, 2021, 10:03:11 PM
Thanks boys  :peace:

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Have you got a broad ballpark timeline for beta? Will it release with star citizen in 5 years or so?
Nah, as ballpark as one can get, ain't 5 years or I will be financially bankrupted by then  :buck2: ^-^

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I was reading the Steam forums re: WotS and TF:A came up a LOT in various discussions.
Ah really is that so? Hasn't checked much.

Hope they're saying good stuff. Don't hesitate to feed some some nice screens or videos if need be :coolsmiley:  :smitten:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on February 03, 2021, 10:45:45 PM
Mostly folks saying what you'd hear here: wanting more fidelity with carrier ops, might as well wait for TF:A, I hope Microprose does better, etc. etc.

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 04, 2021, 10:10:49 PM
So considering  I was summoned

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Admiral, pay attention here.

I will move the conversation in here  ;)

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Carrier Battles 4 does this, to some extent.  What I would really, really like to see (either modded into this game, or definitely in TF:A) is some sort of flight board that shows you, in detail, the status of what's being readied, what's on the flight deck ready to launch, when your planes like CAP are due to land, and when your strikes are due back to the ship. This info is sort of available in Carrier Battles, but you have to decipher it from the numbers on the counters, and you have to do a lot of mental math.  I'd like to see a board with this info spelled out clearly, as it certainly would be in real life, so I can look at a glance and tell where my priorities need to be.  Do I need to let a flight SBDs ditch to get off a second strike?  Get a CAP airborne?  Do I need to cycle my CAP early to get my deck cleared early for my returning strike?  None of these appear, so far, to be intuitive with CB4.  I will say if you foul these calculations up you will pay LOL.
That is planned. We do not intend to leave the player in the fog whenever it is not unwarranted. A flag officer knows at anytime what he has ready and what he hasn't, what he can send or what he must recover. We're planning a small collab with a famed youtube channel in a few days to come where we're providing some of the visuals, but technically the reason why we will provide them all the more gladly is that whatever happened that day and the fashion in which it happened are perfectly relevant within the frame of the game we are designing. But more on this later when the whole thing comes out  ;)

For all intents & purposes, at any rate, a full Ouija board is planned, even though you're not moving the planes around yourself (you're not the Air Boss). You get to order what you need, and your staff provides. You will order what you need based on the info available to you, and this info will be as comprehensive as possible, while presented to you in a relevant, clear & relatable way (that is, we'll be using actual black boards as much as possible). I find interfaces to be easier to design & more able to convey a player's connection when you just make it look like the way it would IRL.

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So you have an idea of the endurance criteria before you launch.  When they get into the landing pattern you can check who needs to land first or most urgently by selecting the landing group and checking their endurance states.  The game will cycle them onto deck in the most appropriate order, exactly like the boardgame rolls would do.  I'd just prefer to see something with more granularity on the whole process.  We don't have to move in "turns" "20-minute cycles" "hexes" and stuff like that now.  I want to see real numbers, time, and minutes.  That's what I'm hoping from TF:A.
Aye, although any wargame, especially at this scale has to go for some abstraction, we'll keep the level as low as possible. Same thinking as before, it is easier to make someone understand a process if he sees it all unravel before his/her eyes. You will have real numbers, distances, times - this is the simulation part of the deal. No need to hide anything, because we need this stuff to recreate our environment to begin with. No worries there  :coolsmiley:  ^-^
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 06, 2021, 05:12:39 AM
Making a small dev update tonight, if you don't know what to read for lunch, we have you covered  :coolsmiley:

See you soon!

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 06, 2021, 09:51:32 AM
There you go gents!

Cheers & take care ;)


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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rustyshackleford on February 06, 2021, 10:14:41 AM
There you go gents!

Cheers & take care ;)


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Words cannot express my excitement for this! :notworthy: :notworthy:

P.S. Thanks for the Yorktown wallpaper :dreamer:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on February 06, 2021, 11:55:58 AM
Nice update Admiral.  Looks like your baby is coming along nicely.  Just wondering if you'd care to expound any on that "future collab" reference???  :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on February 06, 2021, 03:50:04 PM
Will their be any people on the ships like in ses jutland, war thunder ships or dcs supercarrier? I mean the carriers and seaplane carriers eill no doubt be the focus so perhaps the carriers will get thst special human touch?
How bout fighter cockpits, will the be manned?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 06, 2021, 08:10:24 PM
Nice update Admiral.  Looks like your baby is coming along nicely.  Just wondering if you'd care to expound any on that "future collab" reference???  :)

Hey there Steve.
Nothing much to get hot about, it's just a cool collab with a friendly Youtuber sharing our views on how history should be told. We'll provide the CGI footage  ;)
Should be out by the end of the month so you'll get to see soon enough!

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Will their be any people on the ships like in ses jutland, war thunder ships or dcs supercarrier? I mean the carriers and seaplane carriers eill no doubt be the focus so perhaps the carriers will get thst special human touch?
How bout fighter cockpits, will the be manned?
We are currently making trials for the our static crews (this is tech that needs to be addressed along with the base design, typically for weapon mounts). We'll see where it leads us. Small people moving around is another story entirely though!
And if we have small people, better have them everywhere, otherwise it will be an immersion breaker (that is, the human brain is more receptive to having no guys, or all the guys, but won't stand if we just cherry pick the ships we like in that regard...)

In regard of the planes, the pilots are in there already though  ;)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: fran on February 06, 2021, 11:35:24 PM
Hey there Steve.
Nothing much to get hot about, it's just a cool collab with a friendly Youtuber sharing our views on how history should be told. We'll provide the CGI footage  ;)

 :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on February 07, 2021, 12:38:17 AM
Nice update Admiral.  Looks like your baby is coming along nicely.  Just wondering if you'd care to expound any on that "future collab" reference???  :)

Hey there Steve.
Nothing much to get hot about, it's just a cool collab with a friendly Youtuber sharing our views on how history should be told. We'll provide the CGI footage  ;)
Should be out by the end of the month so you'll get to see soon enough!

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Will their be any people on the ships like in ses jutland, war thunder ships or dcs supercarrier? I mean the carriers and seaplane carriers eill no doubt be the focus so perhaps the carriers will get thst special human touch?
How bout fighter cockpits, will the be manned?
We are currently making trials for the our static crews (this is tech that needs to be addressed along with the base design, typically for weapon mounts). We'll see where it leads us. Small people moving around is another story entirely though!
And if we have small people, better have them everywhere, otherwise it will be an immersion breaker (that is, the human brain is more receptive to having no guys, or all the guys, but won't stand if we just cherry pick the ships we like in that regard...)

In regard of the planes, the pilots are in there already though  ;)
Sounds good. THat shot of the sailors all on the deck of the tilted sinking carrier deck or the japanese waving off their fighters comes to mind. Games don't generally show the busy hive that a ship can be for obvious reasons. I seem to remember age of sail II privateers bounty also did it.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: steve58 on February 07, 2021, 07:07:14 AM
Nice update Admiral.  Looks like your baby is coming along nicely.  Just wondering if you'd care to expound any on that "future collab" reference???  :)

Hey there Steve.
Nothing much to get hot about, it's just a cool collab with a friendly Youtuber sharing our views on how history should be told. We'll provide the CGI footage  ;)
Should be out by the end of the month so you'll get to see soon enough!


Looking forward to it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 11, 2021, 12:49:34 PM
Some extra guilty plane-related delights today for you, Ladies & Gents

Great thanks to Chris from Military Aviation History & Justin Pyke for this charming (and challenging) collab opportunity! Loads of original never seen as of yet Task Force Admiral footage featured today in this video which will tell you about the death ride of 4.Kokutai against USS Lexington in February 1942. We prominently feature in the first half, but any fan of the PTO is obviously highly encouraged to watch this one video.  :coolsmiley:

All Grogs, have a nice one and take good care!  :peace:

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on February 11, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Some extra guilty plane-related delights today for you, Ladies & Gents

Great thanks to Chris from Military Aviation History & Justin Pyke for this charming (and challenging) collab opportunity! Loads of original never seen as of yet Task Force Admiral footage featured today in this video which will tell you about the death ride of 4.Kokutai against USS Lexington in February 1942. We prominently feature in the first half, but any fan of the PTO is obviously highly encouraged to watch this one video.  :coolsmiley:

All Grogs, have a nice one and take good care!  :peace:


It popped up in my feed earler today but I failed to realize that it was connected to the game. Now off to brew a cup of coffee and watch this delight  :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on February 20, 2021, 05:52:39 AM
Thanks, hope you enjoyed ;)

Now, a change of pace, a little bit of a guilty pleasure for the ears :crazy2:

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 02, 2021, 11:47:02 AM
Hi guys! ^-^

Had a lot of smaller updates since the last time, but this one is perhaps a bit more important - we're prototyping our menu & our soundtrack, care to tell us if you feel like the mood is adequate considering the topic? The footage is kinda old so no worries this will be changed and made more relevant, but it was picked based on the sort of feeling we wanted to convey more than anything. Thanks in advance ;)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on April 02, 2021, 03:19:57 PM
Get onboard the hype train - chooo, choooo  :wow: :clap: :D :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on April 02, 2021, 07:25:36 PM
Hi guys! ^-^

Had a lot of smaller updates since the last time, but this one is perhaps a bit more important - we're prototyping our menu & our soundtrack, care to tell us if you feel like the mood is adequate considering the topic? The footage is kinda old so no worries this will be changed and made more relevant, but it was picked based on the sort of feeling we wanted to convey more than anything. Thanks in advance ;)



I like it. It fits the period and sounds like a military band or movie sound track. I turn the music off anyway. So am more interested in top notch sound effects rather than purchased canned varieties. Are you sourcing sounds for each aircraft and weapon specifically?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 02, 2021, 07:55:08 PM
Thanks Gents!

Regarding the gun sound effects, yes we do. Fortunately all this stuff is pretty standard (that is, all together the US Navy uses 4 different light AA guns & machineguns, and the IJN two...) so we can go the extra mile pretty easily. Actually larger calibers will be more generic, for several reasons though - besides the fact they get fired less, naturally sources are also very, very... scarce on the sound they produce. At least, not to the point of being able to say "Hey that's obviously a US 8 inch gun, not a Japanese 20cm! What did you do!"

In regard of planes, it is also less of a daunting task as one might think, because it's not so much about the planes than it is about the engines themselves (and their variation when there are several of them). That brings the larger selection down to less than 10 different sounds models able to cover 40 or 50 different plane types, which comes in handy.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on April 03, 2021, 07:13:07 AM
Regarding sound effects: for me a huge part is the 3D feeling of the direction of the sound effects and the delay caused by distance. It produces a feeling of "being there" rather than viewing something on a screen. Given the top notch quality of the graphics, it could lead to an incredibly immersive gaming experience.

When can we some actual gameplay? From stategic planning to execution to result of an attack.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on April 03, 2021, 11:37:59 AM
Very nice.

But, you had me at Battle Generator and Scenario Editor.   :smitten:   :hug:   :notworthy:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on April 03, 2021, 06:34:56 PM
Very cool.  Looking forward to this.  And a scenario editor.  A good editor can be a game all by itself.   :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: em2nought on April 03, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
Music sounds kinda Civil War(ish) to me.   I'm fond of something like the soundtrack from Tora, Tora, Tora! for the Japanese, or big band sounds for the allies.  I'd like the night battle sounds from "In Harm's Way" too.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on April 04, 2021, 01:52:10 PM
Very nice.

But, you had me at Battle Generator and Scenario Editor.   :smitten:   :hug:   :notworthy:
...and Battle Replays  :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 10, 2021, 09:58:50 PM
Hello there chaps!

Some bits of animated gameplay options for a change

As of late we've been posting a lot of 3D stuff, but it doesn't mean we've been inactive under the hood - quite the opposite actually. Although from the standpoint of aesthetics most remains to be done (it's somewhat there, just not cute enough to be showed according to our artists...), we have been very busy with the gameplay functions themselves.

One of the important features of Task Force Admiral are notably our advanced formation system, which will recognize two main types of formations - simple formations, and compound formations - which will be customizable and manageable to an extent that hasn't been done before in any game about the topic. This GIF from the formation editor within the mission editor proper gives you an idea of how easy and intuitive it is to move your ships around in a larger, multi-division task group. This destroyer division is being formed into a line formation, a bent line formation, a loose/customized formation, an arc formation, an echelon right and an echelon left formation using a few clicks.

This is not only necessary from a tactical standpoint, it is also the best way to ensure that we will be able to recreate meticulously historical task groups by placing ships where they ought to be when the information is available. The in-game configuration screen uses the same system, with an actual grid placed on your navigation table instead of a paper maneuvering board. Paired with the fleet defense interface that allows you to customize threat arcs and defensive air operations (Combat Air Patrols & Inner Patrols, mainly), the common interface allows you to remain familiar with the tools you use in both modes in order to achieve maximum efficiency.

Hope the wall of text didn't scare you! Feel free to comment, just bear in mind that it is very bare-bone. Don't worry, it gets only prettier from here  ;)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702910717711482891/830432719032942642/Formations.gif)

In other news, Yamato had a small tribute a few days ago too - I know some of you in here probably are fans of the Missy, so allow me to post a few good views of the Lady while I am at it ;)

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: MOS:96B2P on April 11, 2021, 07:34:08 AM
Very interesting stuff.  It looks like your team is doing quality work.  Looking forward to the finished product.   
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: rocketman on April 11, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Love the design of the chart on the right, very period like looking. Like something out of a book rather than in a game. Nice touch.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on April 11, 2021, 05:15:28 PM
The formation gif reminds me of something drawn on a ships map\plot room\course\charts. I like it.

Once again I really hope this game will not be a case of point ships in a direction and fast forward for 2hrs. That air battles are not just a case of watching all the effort the devs put in without appreciating all of the detail. Gotta get that feedback going to let the player know whats going on.... tighter turn, deflection shot skill used, go vertical boom n zoom etc. With ships... sighted, range problems etc
I hope their is some deep gameplay.

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 11, 2021, 06:20:59 PM
Please do NOT throw in a bunch of data points at the player during gameplay unless they're presented in a realistic manner reflective of the times.  Leave that kind of detail out until the player reviews battles after the fact with the replay feature.  The Graviteam Tactics games use this approach and it works very well.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on April 11, 2021, 10:14:56 PM
Thank you all for the kind words and the feedback chaps  :notworthy:

Actually, I haven't highlighted it elsewhere, but the true dope contained in this pic is probably the organization itself. As you can see, the force is organized into divisions (a CarDiv, a CruDiv and a DesDiv) and this is the primary maneuvering unit within the game once you get below Task Group level. It's a big departure from what is done today, although TF1942 & Fighting Steel both had that. It means that once you're engaged in combat, especially surface combat, your divisions can be detached without detaching each ship and reorganizing them - a handy tool for setting up crossfires or deliberate attacks (in particular torpedo runs) but we'll get there more details about that later  ;)

Once again I really hope this game will not be a case of point ships in a direction and fast forward for 2hrs. That air battles are not just a case of watching all the effort the devs put in without appreciating all of the detail. Gotta get that feedback going to let the player know whats going on.... tighter turn, deflection shot skill used, go vertical boom n zoom etc. With ships... sighted, range problems etc
I hope their is some deep gameplay.

Well I can't say that you won't have moments like that - just like you'd have them in, say, Silent Hunter or John Tiller's naval wargames. The wait and intelligence collecting is part of the hunt, and carrier battles are a matter of punching in the dark until the climax is suddenly reached very fast within 2 or 3 hours of action, before another moment of R&R. We will add as much detail as possible to make lulls interesting, but lulls are lulls. When combat comes in, we sure intend to have a great audio environment, especially in terms of radio chatter, but don't expect labels popping up around the planes just yet - although having speech bubbles could be nice at some point  :coolsmiley:

Please do NOT throw in a bunch of data points at the player during gameplay unless they're presented in a realistic manner reflective of the times.  Leave that kind of detail out until the player reviews battles after the fact with the replay feature.  The Graviteam Tactics games use this approach and it works very well.

Hey there SDR - not sure what you mean by that - you mean data that shouldn't be available to the player at a realistic level (aka force levels, enemy ORBAT, score/victory level, etc...?)  :)
If that what it is, yes, these packets of data are not expected to be made available to you at the highest level of difficulty, it's up to you to decide how much you want to be in the know. That was the topic of this update a few weeks ago, actually, if it can be of interest to you  :peace:

https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1364565614560337921

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Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 12, 2021, 08:21:25 AM
Thanks Admiral, Sim Mode looks like the one for me! (but I hope I can enable external views). 

What I meant was I didn't want to see the types of data that the people in the field wouldn't have had access to in real time.  When I play CMO, one of the things that pulls me out of the sim is the fact that they're giving you data such as the percentage chance to hit for weapons and the damage inflicted by each round.  Seeing that kind of thing during the after battle report is fine but I don't personally care to see it during play.  I much prefer a system like Mius Front.  You can see your rounds impacting an enemy tank but you don't necessarily know what damage those rounds are doing (unless the poor buggers explode and catch fire).  The tank might already be knocked out but your gunners can't know for sure so they keep hammering it.

 
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on April 13, 2021, 12:14:49 PM
I think a lot about what makes, to me, a good WW2 carrier-centric wargame. 

I keep coming back to the belief that most of the important decisions are made before the strike is launched.  It's the maneuvering and planning, usually taking place the night before, that leads to putting your force in position to land the first effective strike.

In order to do this, the player really needs access to time and sea room.  Intelligence regarding enemy intentions and force construct is important, too, if only to help the player find ambush points, search arcs, and strike composition.

I don't know how you make that initial part exciting.  For as sterile as the combat in WitP:AE is, I feel like it accomplishes the important pieces leading up to the CV vs. CV strikes very well.  To me, the perfect TF:A game is going to give me enough scope pre-battle to move forces hundreds of miles a day, move and counter-move, but on strike day allow me to zoom in and make a few tactical decisions.

Frankly I'm not even sure I could write this game; to some extent I'll know it when I see it.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GDS_Starfury on April 14, 2021, 12:54:08 AM
Ive seen what you want.  there was a very old game that let you take control of a plane in a strike after you did all the strategy stuff.
so do the same here but expand it to scouts.  time compression could be used and if somethings spotted it automatically resets to 1 or pauses.
the same would work for a plane you picked in a strike or as CAP or ASW patrol.  fuck, you could almost make a sub-game of just playing the rescue PBY.
theres also the Homeworld approach wherein you can follow anything from an over the shoulder or cockpit view.  you have no direct control of individual fighter size craft but you do control what they do and how as a squadron.  the catch is its up to you to pay attention and know what might be interesting to watch while also conduction the rest of your fleets actions.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Pete Dero on April 14, 2021, 01:41:42 AM
Ive seen what you want.  there was a very old game that let you take control of a plane in a strike after you did all the strategy stuff.

Pacific Storm Allies ?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/11260/Pacific_Storm_Allies/

Whether you chart the conflict's progress from a strategic level or man a deck gun or get behind the controls of a fighter or bomber and personally take the fight to your foes, seize the day and rewrite history of some the most intense battles of World War II!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Staggerwing on April 14, 2021, 04:37:54 AM
Rowan's old Battle of Britain game was like that. You could fight the war strictly from the map if you wanted or jump into an individual plane and fly it during the mission you planned. IIRC, Matrix still sells a version of it.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 23, 2021, 04:17:22 AM
If you have nothing better to watch on the TV this weekend, allow me to point you in a fine direction, courtesy of the Military Aviation History channel :coolsmiley:

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on May 24, 2021, 08:42:54 PM
Admiral, did you watch history buffs first part of his midway movie review?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 25, 2021, 04:45:24 AM
Aye a few days ago already - a friend of yours? :)

(in all honesty though I have felt that most of the contents seemed to be about the strategic picture more than anything, so I did fast forward a tad bit)

Was talking to Drachinifel yesterday, he has his own - so do I, and so does Chris. I guess even Bernhard has one. We all feel like there's something that should be said. Probably very different from what the history buffs channel focus on though :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on May 26, 2021, 04:11:35 PM
History Buff’s first part is usually about the history and then the second part which will be out this week focuses on the movie itself and any mistakes. He is not a friend of mine, but I do enjoy his videos.
I have watched some of drachinfels stuff in the past. Not sure about the others you mention though, do they have youtube monikers?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 26, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
Chris is Military Aviation History, Bernhard is Military History Visualized. :coolsmiley:
By the way Drachinifel just released an outstanding interview with Jonathan Parshall, co-author of Shattered Sword. Midway is approaching indeed  O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN79g34wjQA
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on May 26, 2021, 08:48:21 PM
Oh yeah. I watch the visualised guys all the time.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: ArizonaTank on May 26, 2021, 10:15:09 PM
Chris is Military Aviation History, Bernhard is Military History Visualized. :coolsmiley:
By the way Drachinifel just released an outstanding interview with Jonathan Parshall, co-author of Shattered Sword. Midway is approaching indeed  O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN79g34wjQA

Great video!!!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 28, 2021, 08:34:46 PM
History Buff’s first part is usually about the history and then the second part which will be out this week focuses on the movie itself and any mistakes. He is not a friend of mine, but I do enjoy his videos.
I have watched some of drachinfels stuff in the past. Not sure about the others you mention though, do they have youtube monikers?

Second part came out.
I suppose it's useful as a vulgarization for the larger audience.
In regard of nit-picking clearly as always he is a great writer, but some of his researchers probably let him down. His description of most air operations show there was no specific research here, or more exactly a complete lack of (aka you can compare at 5:35 his rendition of the US launches that day with what was pointed out in the flight to nowhere vid). The mere fact that there is a total absence of sources just doesn't put this kind of work in the kind of category I am interested in as an individual - but obviously he also covers a much larger spectrum of topics time-wise, and it wouldn't fair to just criticize one vid while failing to take into account the amount of vastly different domains he tackles. Chris from MAH and him are not really in the same trade I would say, and it's fine, but it's not my kind of stuff. But to each his own  :)

I told Chris he should definitely do a Midway thing at some point and could do the same with many works out there, but he feels more interested in actual research (like the latest video on German air ASW) than reviewing movies that are, truth be told, literally filled with inaccuracies, pretty much all of them - to a point where you'd wonder if trying to point at the wrong things won't make you end up with a longer video than the movie was itself.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on May 29, 2021, 06:54:02 AM
I will watch the second part soon.
BTW I got the message on spacebook about your studio being interviewed by the single malt strategy guys. I sometimes listen to their podcast. It gets me all excited to play a grand strategy game.... that I realise I won't have time to play between multiplayer games with friends, usually after buying them :P
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on May 29, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
Hehe thanks for being a good fan Daes  :coolsmiley:
Here's the link to tomorrow's happenin'. Feel welcome to join, all of you! Jo & Nils from the Sea Power team will be there too :)

Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on May 29, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
Sweet x 2!!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: FarAway Sooner on May 29, 2021, 08:51:34 PM
Parshall and I attended the same tiny Midwestern liberal arts college, although he graduated three months before I got there!  I actually looked him up on my alumni network to tell him what a fine job he'd done on Shattered Sword, and we traded a few e-mails.  We even reminisced about a History prof or two we had in common...   :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 04, 2021, 08:29:58 AM
I forgot about this book "the silver waterfall". Could be good background hype material to read before looking at TFAv1.
By the way I listened to the interviews on single malt strategy. Unfortunately my attention was split and I may have to listen again. My problem is making out who is who and what game they are talking about at any given moment because of the distractions. I did listen to the argument against WEGO that one of the turn based game guy made, not very convincing at all. Also listened to one of the chaps talking about going easy on the player with less FOG of WAR or the player will not believe the AI is not cheating. The example being one of the AI circling behind the player in a dungeon, without the player being able to see. The player getting upset..... well to me that was understandable because if the player cannot see how could the AI the whole time it was circling around behind the player!!! 

I have to admit also that TFAv1 has me a little concerned in that I would like to see the action while playing at full realism. I want both at once. Perhaps you could allow on full realism a replay in full 3D of the action once the carrier the player is on gets a sitrep of the action. This way I do not sacrifice the action or the realism.


For example. A torpedo run goes in. I do not get to see it because the aircraft are out of radio range or too busy to report. Later on a few of the aircraft that survived land and a debrief happens. This prompts the game to show me the action. Maybe in a debrief room. Think of this as WELATE instead of WEGO ;)

I am just concerned that I might otherwise need to turn the game settings way down to see any action. Which would lead me to want to play the game less. Because I am not getting the reward for my harder work in full realism mode. Additionally I want to be able to learn visually looking at the footage. Remember the player character IRL may have real aviator or ship insight, but the player does not necessarily. So the irl character may visualise it in thier head when the reports come in but the player needs a visual aid to make it realistic :).... well that's my take anyways. Somehow give me realism, give me things to do and give me the movie like pay off, the experience.

Here is the fighter pilot podcast guys interviewing the author of the silver waterfall.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 04, 2021, 06:30:23 PM
I was just thinking as well. Will the player have any influence on the tactical battle. Say by determining tactical doctrine before hand. Perhaps also influencing things by choosing the squadron commanders and pilots, the moral and trust of the men. This sort of thing is hard to do because the player finds the most efficient combination anyways which kind of renders the whole exercise moot. The choices always being the same.

I guess most of the game from the perspective of the player will be choosing where to put ships and when to launch aircraft, what to load them with. That will be the whole game. The rest will be chance and waiting.

Will either side have any chance to discover solutions for things like dud torpedos (i think something was mentioned in the podcast) or for the japanese the water situation ruse? Will these things be mini games? You know the players who know their history are just going to choose exactly the right research tree to make these crucial factors work for them. Same goes for the us players using their torp bombers as defoys because they know they are ineffective. I’d say let them research new torps that may or may not fix the problem like in real life, but having the player either go in blind or forced to sacrifice one of theirnown ships or be detected testing the torps on a japanese ship.

Its very hard to do a good strategy game. Most of my lack of interest in larger scale strategy games in the past has been because you cannot innovate like real commanders to solve problems AND you cannot converse with other commanders to work a plan or problem. As the commander you are usually just playing a game of simple attrition. A game of simple math based on stats. Real life just isnt like this most of the time.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 08, 2021, 07:21:44 PM
I did listen to the argument against WEGO that one of the turn based game guy made, not very convincing at all.

Well I love WEGO as a system so I am not much of a relevant player here - I am kinda biased towards Combat Mission old style due to personal memories of course, but also naturally by WitP, which is certainly to me one of its most convincing and glorious applications considering the scale.

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Also listened to one of the chaps talking about going easy on the player with less FOG of WAR or the player will not believe the AI is not cheating. The example being one of the AI circling behind the player in a dungeon, without the player being able to see. The player getting upset..... well to me that was understandable because if the player cannot see how could the AI the whole time it was circling around behind the player!!! 

Well FoW is yet another complex matter. Our game integrates it to an extent that it might feel we built some of our features all around it. Feedback is very important in order for the player not to feel he/she is being cheated, and that's why we'll have a replay function at all.

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I have to admit also that TFAv1 has me a little concerned in that I would like to see the action while playing at full realism. I want both at once. Perhaps you could allow on full realism a replay in full 3D of the action once the carrier the player is on gets a sitrep of the action. This way I do not sacrifice the action or the realism.

I don't know if this worry derives from the realism options draft I might have posted here earlier, but all these functions can be enabled/disabled selectively. You are totally allowed to keep free camera external views while keeping other realism switches on - but by definition it is obviously not "full realism" to any extent anymore  ;)
This is a recurring feature in flight simulators that came out after 1998 - it is akin being stuck in the cockpit with external views disabled. We're toying with the idea of probably allowing for orbital cam around your flagship still (doesn't cost too much and you're still within immediate visual range) but that will be the very extent of what would be allowed with that switch enabled. Some players just know they wouldn't resist the urge of getting to know everything that happens, and needs to have a mean to reign themselves in.

On the other hand, there's a replay function that we want integral to the experience so as people who played at full realism can enjoy 20/20 hindsight capability when checking for the events, their mistakes and the AI's decisions. I did learn a lot from my own games when playing Wargame European Escalation back in the day. When you'll run the replay, you'll have access to all logs, including on the other side of the fence, which will hopefully give explanations to any hiccup you couldn't explain back then in the midst of the action. Some of these battles and the way they happened could only be explained much later after the war (and sometimes not even satisfactorily enough until ground breaking new thinking as in the case of Midway & Pearl Harbor in the 21st century) so it's ok not to be given all the tools to understand during gameplay if it is what you want to experience, as long as we give you a fair option to review your performance and that of the AI after the battle. The replay function is also naturally the only way we can make sure that wargamers & youtubers can make proper AARs - sometimes action can happen at simultaneously in two very remote areas (think Coral Sea for instance) so you'll need a powerful tool to be able to swap from a place to another, and rewind so as not to lose one bit of the action that took place, whether you had external views enabled or not.

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For example. A torpedo run goes in. I do not get to see it because the aircraft are out of radio range or too busy to report. Later on a few of the aircraft that survived land and a debrief happens. This prompts the game to show me the action. Maybe in a debrief room. Think of this as WELATE instead of WEGO ;)
Bomb/Battle Damage Assessment (BDA) is part of the debriefing process. It comes in as testimonies which get consolidated by your air staff. You'll have the choice to act based on whatever is told to you. You'll also have a few pictures hopefully, as we are trying to give the choice of providing the flight with a command section led by the CAG (Commander Air Group) relevant for both sides (in terms of strike coordination for the Japanese, and BDA for the US). Historically in a section like that a plane would be tasked with taking pictures & filming the action, and if it is available, then I do plan to allow you to see it. Separate BDA is obviously available as part of a dedicated recon flight too (akin the one Spruanced launched to get a clearer picture of Mogami & Mikuma).

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I am just concerned that I might otherwise need to turn the game settings way down to see any action. Which would lead me to want to play the game less. Because I am not getting the reward for my harder work in full realism mode. Remember the player character IRL may have real aviator or ship insight, but the player does not necessarily. So the irl character may visualise it in thier head when the reports come in but the player needs a visual aid to make it realistic :)
Historical reports back then are a mess. Just check the sort of intel Spruance got from the fliers on June 5 regarding task forces that didn't exist, Tanikaze classified as a light cruiser all day long, or Mikuma & Mogami being mistaken for a cruiser and a battleship because one had lost her bow an the other one looked bigger as a result! No, really, there's no way you're going to cheese your way into having external views branded as a must-have for the most realistic level for personal contentment, that I can say already and I am sorry in advance for it ;)

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I was just thinking as well. Will the player have any influence on the tactical battle. Say by determining tactical doctrine before hand. Perhaps also influencing things by choosing the squadron commanders and pilots, the moral and trust of the men. This sort of thing is hard to do because the player finds the most efficient combination anyways which kind of renders the whole exercise moot. The choices always being the same.
If by determining tactical doctrine you mean making choices between different tactics, yes you have that sort of power. Right now, no you won't get to pick who flies a plane though, that's not the area of expertise of the flag officer (beyond grounding the CAG of course). Besides, I couldn't come up with a satisfying system in order to assess skill, moral or trust. IRL people don't get stat bars over their heads and this kind of stats would be immersion breaking in addition of being wholly unrealistic in regard of the choices they lead to historically.

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I guess most of the game from the perspective of the player will be choosing where to put ships and when to launch aircraft, what to load them with. That will be the whole game. The rest will be chance and waiting.
I'd guess it would be better to wait for the game to be seen in action before making such guesses if I may :)
Especially considering the experience itself will be highly impacted by the realism settings. Playing it like a RTS, like Carriers at War or like TFA just makes it into three very different experiences.

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Will either side have any chance to discover solutions for things like dud torpedos (i think something was mentioned in the podcast) or for the japanese the water situation ruse? You know the players who know their history are just going to choose exactly the right research tree to make these crucial factors work for them.
Sorry I don't quite understand the latter reference (are we talking the AF = Midway water thing?). This is a tactical game, any depot or CONUS-based solution for defective ordnance or Pearl-Harbor-based intel nugget is totally out of scope here. There is no research tree or whatever. Frankly Des I try to worry about you mistaking us for another game ;)

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Same goes for the us players using their torp bombers as defoys because they know they are ineffective. I’d say let them research new torps that may or may not fix the problem like in real life, but having the player either go in blind or forced to sacrifice one of theirnown ships or be detected testing the torps on a japanese ship.
Besides the Mk13 will work properly whenever it has to (that is when you are carrying around Mod 0s, as most carriers did before June). For the rest, as mentioned, absolutely out of scope, sorry.

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Its very hard to do a good strategy game. Most of my lack of interest in larger scale strategy games in the past has been because you cannot innovate like real commanders to solve problems AND you cannot converse with other commanders to work a plan or problem. As the commander you are usually just playing a game of simple attrition. A game of simple math based on stats. Real life just isnt like this most of the time.
We hope to gear up the overall immersion in regard of command structures & player options in that regard, but don't fantasize about it either, it's not a RPG. And as far as historical commanders go, I can tell you, Real Life is very much about playing an attrition game eventually. Force levels and risk taking to influence them are pretty much all carrier combat is about ultimately ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 11, 2021, 05:08:27 AM
Well I look forward to seeing more details in a preview. I would really like some strategic options that allow less predictable battles. I understand that players will not determine some things, but it would be good if the players superiors as well as how the war is going at a grand strategy level are modelled in such as way as to change the TFA's experience every time.

 That is assuming the battles occur in a small area of the pacific. I cannot remember now whether you said we had the whole worlds ocean to play in? If we have the whole world to sail our carriers in and the intelligence (maybe the Americans cannot read the Japanese code randomly) and Japanese (as well as American) strategy are changed by the game AI before it starts. Perhaps then we will not get a battle at midway every single time the scenario is played?
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 11, 2021, 12:02:59 PM
Well you know, I am one of these guys who do believe that Midway wouldn't even have happened the way it did if it hadn't been for the Torpedo Squadrons (which played their own role by simply being there & sacrificing themselves). Play Midway again without launching the torpedo guys, and you might very well have found yourself with a full KB counterstrike against TF17 and TF16 in the air minutes before the SBDs got in position. Not to mention that KB running in one direction for 20 mn launching the birds would have perhaps made it impossible for the Enterprise bombers to find the Japanese carriers in time at all.

It's not all clear-cut - the usefulness of a weapon system or its platform goes way beyond pure destructive efficiency. You just have to make sure one's engine allows you to account for that, which hasn't been done much until now. Let's see if we can help with that one effort ;)

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That is assuming the battles occur in a small area of the pacific. I cannot remember now whether you said we had the whole worlds ocean to play in? If we have the whole world to sail our carriers in and the intelligence (maybe the Americans cannot read the Japanese code randomly) and Japanese (as well as American) strategy are changed by the game AI before it starts. Perhaps then we will not get a battle at midway every single time the scenario is played?
No these are "small areas" - but again I have the feeling that you might be operating here under a few wrong assumptions. The distance between Rabaul & Lunga is more than a 1000 clicks. That's the distance between Paris & Madrid.

I urge you to keep your mind wide open, because what we're making doesn't look like anything that has been done before (at least not mixed this way) and trying to make sense of it the way you do it now is really sending you on false positives & cold trails, I am afraid!

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 11, 2021, 05:25:08 PM
That distance still sounds very "set piece" to me for a carrier battle. Are the "scenarios" linked at all with causalities carrying over?
I will always get the same carrier force units as well? No opportunity to see what would happen if the Japanese chose not to send carriers North initially and had them down south?

I still think you need a total war style strategic map with a total war (1000 mile) tactical battle area once battle. One that allows re-enforcements if they were already steaming in of course. I guess I am thinking "rule the waves 2" where even though a scenario might happen in a specific area, that does not preclude sailing around the world after starting if you need to or are ordered to.

I am sure you are acutely aware of rule the waves 2. Although I do not think it has the tactical battle detail you guys will have or of course the 3D physical battles modelled.



Don't worry. I am still very interested in seeing your game and hope their will be a preview soon.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on June 11, 2021, 06:54:13 PM
I wouldn't want to be in the Carrier Battle game developer seat because, honestly, I don't know where I'd draw the game's boundaries.  This is one of the reasons I'm really excited to hear more about, and see, how TF:A develops as a game.

I've been dabbling a bit with Carrier Battles 4 and one of the things I like is the ability to randomize the scenarios a bit.  But even then, I sometimes find myself wondering how to push the randomization even further, without taking to an operational Total War-style game.  What I mean is, consider Midway.  The only way Midway makes sense is if the Japanese somehow walk into the ambush (for example, first strike must go against Midway regardless of ship sightings).  As a scenario, both sides know what happened historically, and if you remove the fog of war, the U.S. should lose ever time unless fate decides otherwise.  It would take an awful lot of poor die rolls for the IJN to lose that scenario, IMO.

I find myself feeling like a game like TF:A would really benefit from some sort of operational layer.  In a perfect world, a game like TF:A would serve as a mechanism to game out the tactical battles of WitP or something of that nature.  War on the Sea was going in the right direction with their operational layer, but then chowed it up with the points mechanics for purchasing units, IMO.  A better approach would be to give both sides the correct forces, objectives, and then let the fights develop on a large map over weeks. 

I don't know...this is a tough genre to get just right.  There has to be some sort of fog of war/randomization to any given scenario (unless you're deliberately gaming out an historical scenario).  There also has to be space to maneuver meaningfully, and time for the battle to develop.  At the end of the day, choosing the composition and timing of that first strike given imperfect information really is the culmination of the game.  I would be challenged to make the "perfect" carrier game myself.  I'm still not entirely sure what it would be.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 12, 2021, 05:50:28 AM
That distance still sounds very "set piece" to me for a carrier battle.

Dunno what to tell you about that part Des  ???
I mean, the SOPAC map is going all the way up north from New Ireland to Australia, there's something in the vicinity of 1.100 miles between Kavieng & Cairns. That's amply enough to represent all the fighting that took place during that time, whether it involved carriers or not

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/853225244377481306/unknown.png)
(done from the phone, so it's a bit more or less of an affair)

At any rate, sorry if the first version of this game might seem narrow to your eyes. RTW2 is what it is, but it evolved from RTW1 & Steam & Iron (that's, like, development that began 10 years ago as a least estimate) and it's full 2D. We had to build everything from the ground up and we only have marginally more means at our disposal to do so. There was no reason to go on the 2D market compete with as fine a system as RTW either. We have to do with what we have, and do with limitations that are not pleasant to hear but are still there.

At any rate even if I could have the full Pacific theater in real time for a given job, I just wouldn't use it. I expect our game to run on my father's computer, not on the next cray unit.  ;)
Trying to remake Carriers at War in 3D & Fighting Steel. Expect no less tactically wise, much more actually, but we have little time nor margin for going beyond that if I want the first game to come out before I retire in another 20 years  :2funny:

Scenarios are not linked. These are set piece scenarios, like in Carriers at War or Doorkickers, or whatever works this way. Variations will be there, and so will be a battle generator. But excuse me to point it out Des, it's all written in full details over there at our website. If you don't want to be further disappointed, please just check our relevant pages and our FAQ. Right now I feel a bit sad about replying to you regarding features that we have stated often just won't be there at launch or in volume 1 at all. I'd rather be given the opportunity to discuss what is in there instead, and why it will be designed as it is.

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The only way Midway makes sense is if the Japanese somehow walk into the ambush (for example, first strike must go against Midway regardless of ship sightings).  As a scenario, both sides know what happened historically, and if you remove the fog of war, the U.S. should lose ever time unless fate decides otherwise.  It would take an awful lot of poor die rolls for the IJN to lose that scenario, IMO.
Midway sure will have its own battleset of course at any rate - many interesting scenarios there, aka Zuikaku joining, the Americans falling for the original "trap" - except it wouldn't be so obvious of an outcome in my opinion (attrition after bombing Midway for 2 days would be quite something, and remember that the US reacting would mean FOUR carriers headed your way, as Saratoga was a few days away too), other axis of approach, etc...
At any rate there's zero way Midway happens again exactly the same way it did from the moment the day broke, period. The amount of SNAFU on both sides was just unprecedented. What games haven't tried before is to make sure that in case the historical SNAFU doesn't happen (hint, it never ever has in any game to date by the way) provisions are made for some new crazy stuff happening. We'll see how we succeed in making all of this a great mess indeed.   :))

At any rate, as far as operational stuff goes, you'd start usually a couple days before the action - it's up to you to decide what sort of approach to pick. I don't plan on having you start on the morning of the Lae strike - you'll get to start days before when the first movements are reported and Wilson Brown gets to decide his course of action (he did toy with the idea of raiding Rabaul or raiding Huon gulf by the Southeast, which would have been a fun affair at any rate). Anything beyond that is asking for trouble development-wise as long as we don't have the base game on our hands.

Any operational business is better left to rest for now, we just don't have the means to get it right until we get the tactical game done right. And truth be told, I hope this is the last I get to talk about this non-existing feature until we even get to show you how the tactical part works at all. I mean, it's not that I want to discard the concept as being something silly or whatever - I think it is something we will obviously get to all in due time - but right now we're 4 guys, including a single dev, and we'll do what we can to make the original experience a clean affair, and that will be quite an achievement in its own right already if you ask me. Thanks in advance for your understanding guys  :-*

Cheers!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Destraex on June 12, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
I look forward to seeing the previews *soon* hopefully. I also really appreciate the lengthy replies. A lot of effort and care in those.  O0
I will not mention operational stuff again.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on June 12, 2021, 11:38:37 AM
Appreciate the peek behind the green door, Admiral!

To be clear, I was trying to pay you and your team a compliment.  I wouldn't even know where to start - and where to draw the boundaries - if I was to attempt what your team is doing. 

You already have my money, now you just gotta sell me the game!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 24, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
Thanks for the kind support guys :)

Here's our latest update, it's mostly a video with a compilation of past deeds & a little word about project from a friend team of ours :)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/338597945/fighters-of-the-pacific?ref=f2q5hm



(https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/37689795/4650378d92439f85d59b67bb853d10aa3448a8f4.jpg)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/338597945/fighters-of-the-pacific?ref=f2q5hm

There you go, enjoy the ride :)
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on June 24, 2021, 08:26:33 PM
I'm in !
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 27, 2021, 08:47:08 AM
I had a small wall-of-text moment just today regarding the GUI & the command structure. Might interest some of you  :coolsmiley:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/o8vaox/weve_done_a_small_compilation_of_the_latest_work/h37kpid/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 27, 2021, 05:09:42 PM
I backed Fighters of the Pacific, then backed out again once they simplified their rules (it was already at the very low end of what I think would be appealing to me), but then jumped back in again because of all the toys that were unlocked.  I'm a weak, weak man.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Speedy on June 27, 2021, 08:39:09 PM


(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662183200344375316/853225244377481306/unknown.png)


You may want to extend that map a little to the south as my understanding was that most of the major RAAF/USAAF airbases where located around Townsville rather than Cairns.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on June 27, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
Well we would if we could - ideally we would need Noumea on the map, or Nauru. We'll have to do with what we have here for technical reasons, as we're stretching the limits as it is. That's still, in terms of size, several times whatever space is available in a tactical instance exists or is being made.  :-\
Remember it's a 1:1 thing in full 3D, I wish I could go all the way to Tokyo Bay but we gotta make a few choices  ;)

Ideally whatever might need to come from mainland Australia that wouldn't be based from Cairns will possibly be popping up from the map border (we might go for an off map gimmick), or will simply be based from an alternate field at Cairns. Same with the Catalinas & Fortresses operated from Noumea or Koumac. Planes flying against Rabaul from Townsville will have to fly from Port Moresby, just like they used to back then (the pit stop was necessary, so they'd spend the night there). These will be needed concessions I am afraid. To all intents & purposes, real estate north of Rabaul all the way up to Kavieng are more important to the scenarios proper.   :P
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on August 28, 2021, 11:05:23 PM
Hi guys

Long time no see!  :peace:
We've been a bit busy, but here's a little post to play catch up. Hope the contents will be relevant enough to keep you interested  :coolsmiley:
I'll leave the links to the twitter feed - this is not easy to integrate to the forum, and honestly it would really clog the post. Just click on the stuff and it will bring you there, no worries  ^-^

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The genesis of the player's office from our artist Julien from the outline to the prototype artwork. Remember your games from the 90s when you could click around on silly stuff in the museum or academy part of your favourite sim? Time (and money) will tell if we manage to turn it into 3D, but at the very least, if not, you'll get to click on classy 2D. It will be used for all in-game reference stuff (historical overview, 3D object database, player performance, OST, etc...)
I'm sure you can guess some of its most obvious functions too, but I'll let your imagination run wild!

Kuddos if you can see & identify the smaller details, like what's on the table on the left!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E94LoYyVQAU_BcL?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

We also had a little sneak peek at our in-game view system (the switch between Strategic, Tactical & 3D World mostly)

https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1416416686803013632

These are not interchangeable, all three have their own functions:

- The World View is mostly a scenic view - although objects can still be selected, it is primarily used to let you set your preferred viewing angles, see the action for yourself, travel around, between units, and much beyond if your realism settings allow it ;

- The Tactical 3D Map can be accessed at all times by pressing space bar, whether you're in the 3D world, looking at the strategic map or wandering around in the flagplot, and will return you to your previous location once closed. It is used as to give tactical orders (aka when you need to give firing orders to ship during a surface engagement, for instance). This is probably the main inteface you'll be using during combat.

- The Strategic 2D Map on the other hand gives you a general view of the battlefield and of your naval task forces & aircraft groups. Allied, enemy forces, along with unidentified contacts are also indicated. The player uses the map to give general navigation and combat orders to friendly units, mostly when they are not engaged and over larger distances & greater lengths of time. Here task forces are all pointing in the same direction for prototyping purpose - don't you worry, icons do look in the right direction otherwise.

Absolutely work in progress, ofc!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/708311508488028271/878627792709881926/Tac-Strat-World_mode_swap.mp4

https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1408794530514567172

And some tweets of less strategic value, but still somewhat enjoyable I guess
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1428035475726495747
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1427841633563811844
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1425052868575330313
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1418950411159887872
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1421469643718283266
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1413835455661953027
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1410244832350535687
https://twitter.com/DrydockDreams/status/1411383968985845763

Cheers!
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on August 29, 2021, 12:15:08 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: GDS_Starfury on August 29, 2021, 10:20:32 PM
 :bd:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on August 30, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
I've always said, women and seamen don't mix.
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Gusington on August 30, 2021, 01:36:06 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Toonces on August 30, 2021, 02:11:37 PM
Seriously, either this or Seapower needs to come out soon.  I'm going flipping crazy here.   :knuppel2:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: The_Admiral on August 30, 2021, 09:59:33 PM
I've always said, women and seamen don't mix.

Is the result called Seamew?
That would probably explain why all the planes named after that are disappointing lame ducks with very big expectations & very small engines  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Introducing TASK FORCE ADMIRAL Vol.1: American Carrier Battles
Post by: Sir Slash on August 31, 2021, 08:23:45 AM
I always thought that Sailors called their ships, 'She' to remind them of who back home they were getting away from by going to sea.  ^-^