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Title: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 01:59:22 PM
I am more excited for Fall of the Samurai than for any Total War title ever, because it hits upon a theme that Total War games have always done well: the advancing of technology and the clash of cultures. Plus the technologies set to be portrayed (Gatling guns, ironclads, railroads, rifles) is just the cat's meow.

That of course gets me thinking...with all these new systems being implemented in a Total War game, where are they planning to go next? I have always hoped for a Victoria: Total War game, with a time frame of [roughly] 1848-1914. Now, to me anyway, this looks like it may actually happen.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Jarhead0331 on February 01, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
Personally, I'd like to see Rome get a facelift.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:04:47 PM
^As would most of the community, I think. But with the Victorian era items being added to Shogun, I don't see it going that way...even though Total War is great at doing melee, cold steel combat. I get the vibe they are going to go for the other end of the spectrum. Like dreadnaughts.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2012, 02:05:17 PM
Why are you talking about a PC game in the board game section? 

But I'm with JH on this one.  I want Rome 2 with some serious attention put into a Ancient Greece expansion Alexander, Sparta and the Peloponnesian war.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: son_of_montfort on February 01, 2012, 02:06:00 PM
Er... wrong forum? Or is there a TW tabletop game I don't know about?  ;)

I think I like JH's idea - a facelift to Rome. Or maybe TW - World War I.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
My bad, was a mistake. Because I get all giggity when discussing new games. I'll try to move it.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Martok on February 01, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: Bison on February 01, 2012, 02:05:17 PM

But I'm with JH on this one.  I want Rome 2 with some serious attention put into a Ancient Greece expansion Alexander, Sparta and the Peloponnesian war.
Actually, I would love to see a TW focuses exclusively on ancient Hellas -- as the main game, not just an expansion. 

That, or ancient China (probably the "Spring and Autumn" period, but I'm not picky). 

Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:21:58 PM
^We have Hegemony for Greece.

I would love a Romance of the Three Kingdoms Total War, though...or an Asia Total War.

Still like the Victoria: Total War idea bestest right now.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: Martok on February 01, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: Bison on February 01, 2012, 02:05:17 PM

But I'm with JH on this one.  I want Rome 2 with some serious attention put into a Ancient Greece expansion Alexander, Sparta and the Peloponnesian war.
Actually, I would love to see a TW focuses exclusively on ancient Hellas -- as the main game, not just an expansion. 

That, or ancient China (probably the "Spring and Autumn" period, but I'm not picky). 



I think if they focused on the Greek era like they did with Nappy; it'd be a hell of a game.  Plus I think the TW battles just work better when it's pixels smashing into each other at melee range with ranged support.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: TheCommandTent on February 01, 2012, 02:27:36 PM
I to would like to see Rome get some more love especially with the new strategic map.  I think that would be great for that period.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Martok on February 01, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:21:58 PM
^We have Hegemony for Greece.
A specious argument.  By that reasoning, there's no point in CA making Rome 2, since Longbow's next Hegemony title is focusing on Caesar.  :P 


Quote from: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:21:58 PM
I would love a Romance of the Three Kingdoms Total War, though...or an Asia Total War.
I'd prefer it focus specifically on China.  I still feel CA does their best work when they focus on a smaller area (relatively speaking). 


Quote from: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:21:58 PM
Still like the Victoria: Total War idea bestest right now.
Ugh.  Only if they seriously amp up the strategic portion of the game. 

Land battles from the 17th century onward bore me to tears.  Naval warfare during that period could be fun, but probably not enough to make up for it IMO. 




Quote from: Bison on February 01, 2012, 02:23:05 PM

I think if they focused on the Greek era like they did with Nappy; it'd be a hell of a game.  Plus I think the TW battles just work better when it's pixels smashing into each other at melee range with ranged support.
Agreed. 

Would also love to see ship combat represented during that era.  Just let me ram some Persian ships with my triremes! 

Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
I believe Gus was referring to the MTW2 Hegemony mod.

Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 02:40:30 PM
No the Hegemony games from Longbow!
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2012, 03:10:18 PM
Is this the time to mention that those two games play nothing alike?
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
Of course it is! I finally bought a copy of Hegemony Gold but haven't jumped in yet. I know peeps here have raved about it.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: LongBlade on February 01, 2012, 03:59:46 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
Of course it is! I finally bought a copy of Hegemony Gold but haven't jumped in yet. I know peeps here have raved about it.

I liked it. I suspect you will, too.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Bison on February 01, 2012, 04:02:21 PM
I really enjoy Hegemony, but TW it is not.  And I do not mean this in a bad way.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: LongBlade on February 01, 2012, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: Bison on February 01, 2012, 04:02:21 PM
I really enjoy Hegemony, but TW it is not.  And I do not mean this in a bad way.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: JasonPratt on February 01, 2012, 05:52:00 PM
Quote from: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 01:59:22 PM
I am more excited for Fall of the Samurai than for any Total War title ever, because it hits upon a theme that Total War games have always done well: the advancing of technology and the clash of cultures. Plus the technologies set to be portrayed (Gatling guns, ironclads, railroads, rifles) is just the cat's meow.

Hiten Mitsurugi Style!!!

(Crap, no Kenshin smiley back at Wargamer.)


Yes, I had been hoping the new AGE engine game would be the Meiji Revolution, though that seems unlikely. I am quite happy to "settle" for "only" Meiji Total War. Go forth, you wolves of Mibu!
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Grim.Reaper on February 01, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
My vote would be for the American Civil War.  I know we have a good battle engine in Gettysburg, but would like to see a strategic layer added on top of a 3d battles engine, plus being able to have what-if battlers.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 01, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
I'm looking forward to finally firing up Hegemony while reading Kagan's Peloponnesian War.

But right now I am feeling Japanesey...going to start the Rise of the Samurai campaign tonight or tomorrow.

Which leads me back to being very excited for Fall of the Samurai. It's got railroads by criminey! RAILROADS!!

Railroads lead to railguns. Which lead me to soiling my drawers.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Martok on February 02, 2012, 01:45:48 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 01, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
My vote would be for the American Civil War.  I know we have a good battle engine in Gettysburg, but would like to see a strategic layer added on top of a 3d battles engine, plus being able to have what-if battlers.
I do not understand the desire for an ACW Total War title, as there would only be two factions.  Maybe it would work as part of an expansion? 

Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Grim.Reaper on February 02, 2012, 05:58:47 AM
Good point.  But for me I would be fine with only two factions to play it:). I hardly ever play all the different factions that are available anyway.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: TheCommandTent on February 02, 2012, 08:28:24 AM
Whatever game they do next I hope they keep some of the RPGish elements from Shogun and improve on that.  I enjoyed customizing generals for particular tasks in my nation.  Also  I hope they continue to improve on unit experience as I like carrying forward a core group of veterans into battles.  It makes it that much worse when you lose one of the units, but it also gives me pause before committing them to something stupid.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: LongBlade on February 02, 2012, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Martok on February 02, 2012, 01:45:48 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 01, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
My vote would be for the American Civil War.  I know we have a good battle engine in Gettysburg, but would like to see a strategic layer added on top of a 3d battles engine, plus being able to have what-if battlers.
I do not understand the desire for an ACW Total War title, as there would only be two factions.  Maybe it would work as part of an expansion?

That is an excellent point. Perhaps the Seven Years War then?
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Martok on February 02, 2012, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: LongBlade on February 02, 2012, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: Martok on February 02, 2012, 01:45:48 AM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on February 01, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
My vote would be for the American Civil War.  I know we have a good battle engine in Gettysburg, but would like to see a strategic layer added on top of a 3d battles engine, plus being able to have what-if battlers.
I do not understand the desire for an ACW Total War title, as there would only be two factions.  Maybe it would work as part of an expansion?

That is an excellent point. Perhaps the Seven Years War then?
Ooh, that could be a hell of a lot of fun. 

I still wouldn't care for the land battles (for me, gunpowder weapons = boring), but I could still enjoy it provided the strategic side were robust enough (especially if the rubbish diplomacy of Empire was done away with).  Also, I admittedly (and ironically) like the naval warfare of that period, so there's definitely some appeal in that as well. 

Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 02, 2012, 11:38:11 AM
I still think the next one will be Victoria: Total War. The title has a nice ring to it, there can be 50 factions, players can bitch-slap upstart indigenous populations and tech advancing from 1850-1900 would be da bomb, pun intended. Plus: railroads and railroad guns.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Toonces on February 02, 2012, 01:51:59 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing them copy Neocore's King Arthur.  I would be really curious to see the CA take on this game; I'm talking the whole fantasy thing.  In fact, maybe even a fantasy-based Total War game might be interesting...

I don't think ACW would be a good topic for Total War.  Although the combat might be possible, so much of the ACW was diplomatic in nature that I don't think the Total War engine would capture the war's dynamics very well.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 02, 2012, 02:03:25 PM
^You're crazy.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Staggerwing on February 02, 2012, 02:52:15 PM
If they want to be topical they could shoot for Republican Candidate:Total War. CA might have to tone down the realism a bit though or the game will have to be sold from behind the counter in plain brown paper bags...
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 02, 2012, 03:03:13 PM
^Interesting but there are no winners in that game.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Martok on February 02, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: Toonces on February 02, 2012, 01:51:59 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing them copy Neocore's King Arthur.  I would be really curious to see the CA take on this game; I'm talking the whole fantasy thing.  In fact, maybe even a fantasy-based Total War game might be interesting...
+1

Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: LongBlade on February 02, 2012, 03:17:49 PM
I'll jump on that bandwagon. I know it's a break from their brand, but a fantasy title could be a huge win on that engine.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: TheCommandTent on February 02, 2012, 07:31:10 PM
I'll add another vote to the fantasy bandwagon, including my previous comments about the RPGish elements.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: MetalDog on February 02, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
I haven't played the Third Age mod, although I have been meaning to, but, that would certainly scratch a TW fantasy itch...wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: TheCommandTent on February 02, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: MetalDog on February 02, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
I haven't played the Third Age mod, although I have been meaning to, but, that would certainly scratch a TW fantasy itch...wouldn't it?

Now that you mention it that does as long as you like the Tolkien universe.  That is my favorite TW mod.  Its been a while since I've played that, I might have to install in on my new computer.  Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Stryker07 on February 02, 2012, 10:38:11 PM
Personally, fantasy doesn't grab me for a Total War title. The series has always been firmly planted in history. Now having every detail historically correct??? Not saying that at all. I think the mod groups are able to bring 'Fantasy: Total War' to everyone who wants it, like the excellent Middle Earth TW mod.

What I would like to see is either a full title or expansion that includes the ACW!!!  That right there would dip my cookie in a big way. At some point, I figure that every war/conflict from Ancients - 1900 will have been covered by the TW folks, in time.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 03, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
^I totally agree. I like my TW more historically centered. That's not to say that the Third Age mods are not the cat's meow. Because they are. So...I'd still like to see Victoria: Total War. The beez neez, it would be.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Sir Slash on February 03, 2012, 03:03:26 PM
Been playing the latest edition of Third Age TW and there are many improvements over the previous 2. It's now among my favorites. Depending on how well FotS turns out, I could see Fall of the Confederacy( maybe with England, France and Mexico as factions), or other Imperial Age campaigns in Africa or Asia. The engine looks perfect for a South American Independence type setting. How about Boer War Total War? THat'd be a big seller. 
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Gusington on February 03, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
^I am praying to the gaming gods you are right. Ironclad duels! Airship recon! Killing restless natives! This sells itself really.
Title: Re: Next Total War Title?
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on February 04, 2012, 04:40:04 AM
The history wars are getting old. :P
How's about Total War: Martian Colonies

Like the factions in Alpha Centuri