Anti-Semitic Shootings in France, Shooter Dead

[LongBlade]

The sad thing is that this *could* spark Parisian riots.

...the more riots in the Banlieues - based on this events = sympathy  for a homegrown islamic terrorist -  the better
because this would gave at least a slim chance that the silent majority finally wake up and force the politicians to change immigration and naturalization laws ... better on the European scale.

so that
1. Citizenship to old and future  naturalized citizen is on a 25 years parole (the law works retroactively too) 

2. Offspring of immigrants get the citizenship only at a age of 18 and only on a 10 years parole.

3. Citizenchip can be revoked if criminal record reach a certain to be defined threshold. And if a second citizenship exits even faster. 

4. Immigrant partents can be kept more accountable for their fail of parenting of their offspring -> revoke of citizenship (cause its on 25years parole) and expatriation

5. Expatriation of criminal elements are faster and easier to achieve. lesser appeal possibilities at higher courts

This is an interesting suggestion and one that gets to the heart of the issue.

These radicals are best defined as "enemy combatants" and one of the overriding questions about them is the degree of support they receive from their family and community. The idea of granting citizenship is not supposed to be so that the Muslims can have their own Renconquista (or an expansion beyond Charles the Hammer's line).

Some folks howl when the Israelis bulldoze houses in Gaza after a suicide attack, but if they don't respect their own lives, letting everyone know up front that the entire family's welfare will be at stake might help clarify the mind.

[Centurion40]

I side with the "right wing" on this issue.

I mean it's one thing to have assimilation/melting pot/cultural mosaic 'pangs' in immigrant nations like Canada and the USA, but why in the hell are nations like France, Britain, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, etc. tolerating these kinds of internal challenges to the national identity, being imported by immigrants (legal or not)??!!

If I were to immigrate to France, I know, going in, that I will need to conform to French language, culture, etc.

To quote Rush (out of context) "Conform or be cast out."

[son_of_montfort]

The problem with the suggestion regarding changes to immigration law is that is will likely not improve the problem for France. Because France kept the North African colonies well past WWII, there are people of Algeria descent who are my age that are considered French citizens as natives of the former DOM-TOM. The people living in the banlieues are not all immigrants, in fact they may qualify from French citizenry and still view themselves as "French." The shooter in this event is a case in point.

Remember, this is not only a cultural battle, it is a socio-economic one. The situation of the former colonial citizens living in the outskirts of Paris and Marseille is fairly dire. I heard horror stories from a social worker I know in Marseille.

Unfortunately, this socio-economic problem can easily turn French citizens of North African descent into sympathizers of radical terrorist groups. I don't have a good answer for what to do here, I just hope we don't see more violence.

[Staggerwing]

I suspect that it may also be hard for us in the US and Canada to realize the size of these separate communities outside
places like Paris and Lyon. We're not talking the equivalent of 'Chinatowns' here but Chinacities...

[LongBlade]

19 people arrested in France: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/30/world/europe/france-arrests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Centurion40]

Good!  Probably not nearly enough, but good!

[Gusington]

Good for them. I wonder if the pendulum is beginning to swing...and if other countries like Germany and the UK will take a harder line.

[son_of_montfort]

Good for them. I wonder if the pendulum is beginning to swing...and if other countries like Germany and the UK will take a harder line.

UK has factions wanted to go more hard-line. Germany does too, but the post-war political milieu of Germany makes changing away from an asylum state more difficult. They have been concerned about Turkish immigrants for over two decades, however.