But defending freedom, why thats only 10 towns in america. ;D
Quote from: 0kult13 on June 15, 2012, 01:04:00 AM
But defending freedom, why thats only 10 towns in america. ;D
Okult even your douchebag, bullshit spouting self is protected to be a douchebag bullshit spouting clown.
Quote from: Bison on June 15, 2012, 01:57:29 AM
Quote from: 0kult13 on June 15, 2012, 01:04:00 AM
But defending freedom, why thats only 10 towns in america. ;D
Okult even your douchebag, bullshit spouting self is protected to be a douchebag bullshit spouting clown.
lol Not by the american army it aint, but the british army since 1707. But Personal attacks come now mr B. but that said are we really free.
I actually censored my response. Indeed. I'd say as a free brit you have a lot to be thankful for given the past efforts of the US Army. Of course I'm sure you are too busy seeing what the sexual deviant, criminal from Wikileaks is doing to actually have an appreciation of history that is based on fact and not crap conjecture given your recent posts.
Dont get me wrong i like the american army i grew up ww2 films, but protecting freedom (as a whole) is a bit much, i had to say somthing. lol and brits are far from free. We are subjects of the crown, covered by the most extensive cctv network know to man, oh and not allowed guns.
Bison - how about we reword it as "protecting people freer than 0Kult"?
Yeah, the cupcake tank was kind of funny. Especially if you've been around the Pentagon and seen how many folks in uniform could use fewer cupcakes in their diet... ;D
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 15, 2012, 08:03:36 AM
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 15, 2012, 07:29:13 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 15, 2012, 06:41:46 AM
I'm so used to celebrating November 10th as my military birthday that its been difficult to switch gears and get excited about June 14th. At least its easy to remember, my real birthday is June 13th! ;D
Do you get (or choose) to wear the USMC service patch?
I can wear all of my USMC ribbons on my army uniform.
Excellent. I would have assumed as much, but it is good to have it confirmed.
There was a dude over at the WG who claimed to have been a Marine before he joined the Army (we assumed that he was full of BS, but it turned out that he was just full of himself). He posted pics of his Army combat dress uniform and it had a patch on it indicating that he had served in the USMC. That's what I was referring to.
The rules have changed about whether or not you could wear a USMC unit patch on the "combat sleeve" of your Army uniform. It has, over the past 20 years been:
1. No
2. Yes.
3. Yes, but only if you were in the Army when assigned/attached to that unit (as a liaison officer, or if your entire Army unit, like a company or platoon, was formally attached to the USMC unit, with published orders showing the chain) but OPCON/TACON counted if you could show in a published OPORD that you were working for them
4. Variation on 3 - only if you were formally attached for the duration of the deployment (ie, not OPCON/TACON)
5. Yes, but only if you weren't authorized to wear any Army unit patch on your 'combat' sleeve.
Not sure what the rules are now, but I wish they'd freakin' settle on something.
As to individual awards, ribbons, medals, qualifications (like airborne wings) - you can always wear those across services.
edit: the only way you can wear a USMC unit patch on your 'assigned' sleeve is if you are, in fact, assigned to that USMC unit, with published orders. Being attached from another unit - even for an entire deployment - does not authorize you to wear that patch on your 'assigned' sleeve.
^OK. Didn't stop to think that you were asking about unit patches and not ribbons and awards. As Brant stated, I'm not really sure what the rule is on the patch currently. I personally do not wear any USMC patches on my ACUs.
1. As I recall, the patch in question was not for a specific USMC unit, but rather it was an Army issued patch indicating that the wearer had previously served in the USMC. I could be totally wrong about that, as I only saw the patch in one of the dude's pics and I recall that it was him who said that it was a patch that could be worn by soldiers who had previously served in the USMC.
2. Ain't bureaucracy grand?!!
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 15, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
1. As I recall, the patch in question was not for a specific USMC unit, but rather it was an Army issued patch indicating that the wearer had previously served in the USMC. I could be totally wrong about that, as I only saw the patch in one of the dude's pics and I recall that it was him who said that it was a patch that could be worn by soldiers who had previously served in the USMC.
no such thing exists
No doubt. I wish I could remember the dude's username. He posted his pics, looking for love, at both the WG and ACG. I'd dig-up the pic for analysis!!
I've seen them all. Fat Soldiers, Fat Soldiers, Fat Airmen and yes Fat Marines too.
The point is it was a day to remember a great service.
Quote from: 0kult13 on June 15, 2012, 04:48:06 AM
Dont get me wrong i like the american army i grew up ww2 films, but protecting freedom (as a whole) is a bit much, i had to say somthing. lol and brits are far from free. We are subjects of the crown, covered by the most extensive cctv network know to man, oh and not allowed guns.
Wah! You sound so oppressed. The Queen is on my tele! Wah! I cannot go up to the Queen with a fire arm! Wah! Perhaps you should move to a more free country like Iran.
Quote from: Bison on June 15, 2012, 01:07:09 PMThe point is it was a day to remember a great service.
Abso-freakin'-lutely. And the most HOO-AH! of all the services, too!
Quote from: Bison on June 15, 2012, 01:07:09 PM
...and yes Fat Marines too.
Bull$hit. I defy you to find me an honest to God Marine that would be considered "fat." They do not exist. And I'm not talking about going online and finding a picture of some fatass dressed in a Marine uniform. I want documented proof that the guy is actually a Marine.
Since demotivation photos seem to be the standard.
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Are there more fat Soldiers than Marines? Yes. Are there more Soldiers than Marines? Yes. Are there fat Soldiers? Yes. Are there fat Marines? Yes. Also there is a higher percentage of Guard/Reserve Soldiers who are fatter than Active Duty. Just another fact.
However the once again the point was merely to recognize the birthday of the Army. Sorry this point was missed and devolved into an internet argument between a anarchist and myself and the discussion of fat Soldiers.
^ lol
ok then happy birthday to the one army that was the most agreeanle occupier in europe by far.
Quote from: Bison on June 15, 2012, 04:08:09 PM
Since demotivation photos seem to be the standard.
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Are there more fat Soldiers than Marines? Yes. Are there more Soldiers than Marines? Yes. Are there fat Soldiers? Yes. Are there fat Marines? Yes. Also there is a higher percentage of Guard/Reserve Soldiers who are fatter than Active Duty. Just another fact.
However the once again the point was merely to recognize the birthday of the Army. Sorry this point was missed and devolved into an internet argument between a anarchist and myself and the discussion of fat Soldiers.
I guess you missed the part where I said, "not a picture of some fat guy in a marine uniform..."
Oh well...in any event, Bison, you need to lighten up sometimes. The birthday of the Army was recognized. You're in the Army, I'm in the Guard, Brant's retired Army, we all obviously support the Army and are damn proud, but if you can't joke around with each other, what's the point of it all? As for 0kult, when are you going to learn to just ignore him?
Can we weaponize the cupcake tank?
Happy birthday Army! Thanks for defending my freedoms!
My uncle and grandfather were both in the army, although Gramps started off as a bomber engineer before he was grounded for poor hearing. Probably a good thing for why I am here, those WWII bombers were dangerous business!
Quote from: son_of_montfort on June 15, 2012, 07:41:07 PM
Can we weaponize the cupcake tank?
They already did.... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU1zb0jtOZg
OK - as a part of the split, I tried to retitle the threads. In doing so, it looks like "modified" the first post of each thread. I guess I did, but it was only to try and distinguish the two threads
I for one do not find it necessary to dwell on perhaps the existential concerns of whether our military is defending freedom or not.
At least here in America, it is ourselves and no one else that are greater threats to our freedom than any f**ktard with a plane and a burning desire to do nothing more than choose oblivion over their personal hell - and take as many others out as possible. A society that worships mass consumption, that is committed to appearances at the expense of reality, that mocks personal responsibility and seeks others first for blame and solution, that can actually politicize
education -- a culture that has the freedom to choose whatever nation, country, society, or government it wishes to and instead produces the above -- this is by far the greatest material and existential threat to personal and community freedoms.
To me, anyone who is willing to put themselves in harm's way to protect a document, an ideal, or even just the mofo sharing their foxhole deserves my thanks and respect.
It does, however, appear that some may not need my pizzas.
(and if anyone is wondering about finger pointing in my rant above, I am fully aware of how many of my own are pointing back at me.)
^ well said meadbelly +1 like
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 15, 2012, 10:10:45 AM
No doubt. I wish I could remember the dude's username. He posted his pics, looking for love, at both the WG and ACG. I'd dig-up the pic for analysis!!
I don't know why everybody was so shitty towards that guy. (DevilDog, I think). He seemed decent enough to me and made a lot of good ArmA II missions. Kind of sad how the guy was dogpiled, I thought.
SoM, I hope you realize I can't let my cat up onto the desk now when visiting grogheads -- thanks to your avatar. Other than that, it's AWESOME!
Quote from: 0kult13 on June 16, 2012, 05:06:01 PM
^ well said meadbelly +1 like
If you liked it so much, 0, keep it mind the next time you avoid personal responsibility for your actions by claiming bullshit like you "had to say something." You wanted to say something, and as usual, it was deliberately provocative. If you want to be deliberately provocative, try to have the balls to admit it.
Unfortunately, you want the effect of your words, but you don't want to take responsibility for saying them; ergo bullshit rhetoric implying you had no choice but to be provocative.
When you have the courage of your convictions, we can talk about respect.
Quote from: meadbelly on June 16, 2012, 07:16:37 PM
SoM, I hope you realize I can't let my cat up onto the desk now when visiting grogheads -- thanks to your avatar. Other than that, it's AWESOME!
LOL!
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 16, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 15, 2012, 10:10:45 AM
No doubt. I wish I could remember the dude's username. He posted his pics, looking for love, at both the WG and ACG. I'd dig-up the pic for analysis!!
I don't know why everybody was so shitty towards that guy. (DevilDog, I think). He seemed decent enough to me and made a lot of good ArmA II missions. Kind of sad how the guy was dogpiled, I thought.
No one was "shitty" towards
DevilDog (yes that was his WG name) until he started making his claims about having served in both the Army and Marines. Some of the stuff he was saying didn't quite add up, and he left in a huff when a few of our guys (most of whom *had* served in the Army or Marines) had the temerity to actually question him about it. ::)
Not how I remember it. Then again, I didn't pay that much attention. I thought he ended up coming up with his proof with pics of certifications and kit and whatnot right before he bailed.
Quote from: meadbelly on June 16, 2012, 08:18:53 PM
Quote from: 0kult13 on June 16, 2012, 05:06:01 PM
^ well said meadbelly +1 like
If you liked it so much, 0, keep it mind the next time you avoid personal responsibility for your actions by claiming bullshit like you "had to say something." You wanted to say something, and as usual, it was deliberately provocative. If you want to be deliberately provocative, try to have the balls to admit it.
Unfortunately, you want the effect of your words, but you don't want to take responsibility for saying them; ergo bullshit rhetoric implying you had no choice but to be provocative.
When you have the courage of your convictions, we can talk about respect.
deliberately provocative, mmm maybe in the world of the waltons. The smiley indicates a joke dude, not to mention its a more factual than the title, those 10 towns called freedom have been protected by the us army for 237 years ;D. Still dig your first post tho.
As a soldier I've always been uncomfortable with phrases like "defending freedom." More accurate for me would be defending the rule of law, or to make it even fore basic, protecting the non-violent from the violent.
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 17, 2012, 09:30:28 AM
As a soldier I've always been uncomfortable with phrases like "defending freedom." More accurate for me would be defending the rule of law, or to make it even fore basic, protecting the non-violent from the violent.
That is an excellent point. IIRC the oath that is taken is to "protect and defend the Constitution." It's probably best to keep in mind that goal. The outcome, of course, is Freedom, but ultimately the Constitution can be amended at will, so it's best to keep in mind the entire document instead of portions of what we perceive it to be.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 17, 2012, 12:02:21 AM
Not how I remember it. Then again, I didn't pay that much attention. I thought he ended up coming up with his proof with pics of certifications and kit and whatnot right before he bailed.
He didn't come up with any proof to back up his claims of being SF. Nobody accused him of never serving in the military, but his claims of being in combat with SF units was clearly utter unadulterated bull$hit. As if his tales bravado weren't enough to cast him out as a poser, he was reposting other people's photographs taken from the DOD website and claiming they were his and that he was pictured in them. I PMed him, Smuck PMed him and a few other veterans PMed him too to try to find out the scoop and he blew us off. Wouldn't answer any of our polite questions. He was full of $hit, plain and simply and when he was called on it, he simply disappeared.
This would bother you had you ever served. Veterans tend to take offense when someone embellishes or lies about their service record. You, on the other hand, just miss his really cool ARMAII videos.
Not true!
I also miss some of the missions he made or linked to.
Quote from: Airborne Rifles on June 17, 2012, 09:30:28 AM
As a soldier I've always been uncomfortable with phrases like "defending freedom." More accurate for me would be defending the rule of law, or to make it even fore basic, protecting the non-violent from the violent.
That's a really, really good point, AB. Back when Clinton was first inaugurated and there was so much tension between him and the military, a friend of mine who had never served asked me quite seriously if I thought the military would stage a coup. I informed him that he had no understanding of our military to even ask that question. I never had any doubt but that the military would salute and follow their lawful orders, with "lawful" always being the key word.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 17, 2012, 04:51:16 PM
Not true!
I also miss some of the missions he made or linked to.
;D
Well, I'm sure we didn't chase the guy off of the internet! He's got to be posting somewhere, right? Unless of course he is off on a super secret special operation in the mountains of Afghanistan...
I hate people that play the I was in the military game.
this is also why Smuck loves to put me in his service photos on FB. every time I yank his chain he fucks with me like that.
^ you don't use that game to pick up chicks?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on June 17, 2012, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on June 17, 2012, 12:02:21 AM
Not how I remember it. Then again, I didn't pay that much attention. I thought he ended up coming up with his proof with pics of certifications and kit and whatnot right before he bailed.
He didn't come up with any proof to back up his claims of being SF. Nobody accused him of never serving in the military, but his claims of being in combat with SF units was clearly utter unadulterated bull$hit. As if his tales bravado weren't enough to cast him out as a poser, he was reposting other people's photographs taken from the DOD website and claiming they were his and that he was pictured in them. I PMed him, Smuck PMed him and a few other veterans PMed him too to try to find out the scoop and he blew us off. Wouldn't answer any of our polite questions. He was full of $hit, plain and simply and when he was called on it, he simply disappeared.
This would bother you had you ever served. Veterans tend to take offense when someone embellishes or lies about their service record. You, on the other hand, just miss his really cool ARMAII videos.
Yeah! That's the cat right there! The guy seemed to have an unusual amount MOS changes. Over at ACG, he stated that he was a Kiwi who joined the Marines (not getting enough line action or something like that), then joined the Army where he had at least 2 MOS' (most recent being ordinance disposal, claiming to be attached to a Delta Sabre Squadron, though not an Operator himself. Then the last I read he was leaving the Army to join that Machine Gun Preacher's outfit. He quits any given website where he gets questioned or does not receive an adequate level or worship and adoration.
My avatar can kick 0kult13's avatar 9 outta 10times.
my avatar can kill both your avatars with a hefty boop bounce.
not that I would mind dying that way mind you.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on June 27, 2012, 09:47:22 PM
my avatar can kill both your avatars with a hefty boop bounce.
kill me now baby .... slurp