Right wing militia arrested for preparing to kidnap Michigan Governor

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JasonPratt

https://www.compuserve.com/news/story/0002/20201008/KBN26T2ZF_9

Unsure if this is behind a paywall, but I'm sure there will be more coverage sooner than later.

The gist (from the Reuters article) is that thirteen people, including seven men associated with the Wolverine Watchmen militia group, were planning to attack the state capital and detonate explosives (possibly at a bridge) to divert attention during their kidnapping of Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer from her vacation home (whom they then planned to put on "trial" for her "crimes"). They planned to do this before the November 3rd election, in order to prepare America for a coming civil war after the election.

I'm starting this in Current Events but I can foresee this going to RP eventually, for some obvious reasons. Until then, just the facts in the case if possible.

(For what it's worth, I agree they deserve life in prison.)
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al_infierno

Funnily enough, the article on FOX news kept spelling the name of a guy involved in the plot, Fox, in all caps, which resulted in some rather unfortunate sentences :D
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jamus34

Quote from: solops on October 09, 2020, 12:55:22 AM
Idiots.

Not sure if that was directed at the media or the assailants.

Either there's a whole lotta stupid in this country nowadays.
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Tripoli

For what it is worth, I'm not sure that this was a "Right wing" militia, (as the title of the thread suggests)   Frankly, there isn't much information on this group.  They were not on the SPLC's radar, which is very finely tuned to detect right wing groups. ;)  I would point people to this video,
https://twitter.com/i/status/1314281015591022592
Where  Brandon Caserta poses in front of a anarchist flag, while claiming the Declaration of Independence is an anarchist document.  Late in the video, he appears to possibly begin to argue against the US Consititution, but the video ends before he completes his analysis, so I can't accurately evaluate what he was saying.

In summary, based on the limitted evidence I have seen, this group may be a left wing or anarchist group.
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solops

Quote from: jamus34 on October 09, 2020, 05:53:40 AM
Quote from: solops on October 09, 2020, 12:55:22 AM
Idiots.

Not sure if that was directed at the media or the assailants.

Either there's a whole lotta stupid in this country nowadays.

The wannabe kidnappers.The whole concept fails on so many levels it is hardly believable. As a matter of fact it is not believable. I think the real reason is something else entirely and the story we were given is a quick cover thought up by a particularly stupid government bureaucrat.
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The ACTUAL truth won't come-out for some time and won't matter by that time. The, 'Spin' will be broadcast by the Dems and their media allies that it's all a, 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy', where've I heard that one before,  orchestrated by Trump to influence the election....somehow. Somebody will come-up with some way to link, "Stand Back, Stand Down" as code words to attack now. Kudos to the Justice Dept. and FBI for getting ahead of this and acting so quickly.  :clap:
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Quote from: Sir Slash on October 09, 2020, 10:36:07 AM
The ACTUAL truth won't come-out for some time and won't matter by that time. The, 'Spin' will be broadcast by the Dems and their media allies that it's all a, 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy', where've I heard that one before,  orchestrated by Trump to influence the election....somehow. Somebody will come-up with some way to link, "Stand Back, Stand Down" as code words to attack now. Kudos to the Justice Dept. and FBI for getting ahead of this and acting so quickly.  :clap:

They can claim he was Right wing, but he was no fan of Trumps.  My guess is he's totally Antifa.

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al_infierno

Quote from: Tripoli on October 09, 2020, 05:55:42 AM
For what it is worth, I'm not sure that this was a "Right wing" militia, (as the title of the thread suggests)   Frankly, there isn't much information on this group.  They were not on the SPLC's radar, which is very finely tuned to detect right wing groups. ;)  I would point people to this video,
https://twitter.com/i/status/1314281015591022592
Where  Brandon Caserta poses in front of a anarchist flag, while claiming the Declaration of Independence is an anarchist document.  Late in the video, he appears to possibly begin to argue against the US Consititution, but the video ends before he completes his analysis, so I can't accurately evaluate what he was saying.

In summary, based on the limitted evidence I have seen, this group may be a left wing or anarchist group.

There's also a video of him with a Don't Tread on Me flag, which lefties usually don't swing that way.  I'm thinking he's a right-wing anarchist, aka an ANCAP.
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Pete Dero

The BBC reports they have links to a militia group called the Boogaloo Bois.

It's actually quite hard to describe the motives of the group. It's not "right-wing" in a traditional sense. Members of the movement are vehemently against law enforcement - some have been arrested for killing police officers.

Broadly speaking, they are extremist libertarians - think Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, but with guns.

The term "Boogaloo" is usually a reference to a civil war. They have an entrenched hatred of big government - confusingly they are also often pro-Trump, though not exclusively. Hence why their ire is often focused on state rather than federal government.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54470427

al_infierno

To be clear, it doesn't make a difference to me if these guys were right-wing nutjobs or left-wing nutjobs.  Either way they're nutjobs who should be locked up.  But it's interesting to try and pin down what their beliefs exactly are.  "Right-wing anarchism" strikes me as being a hilariously contradictory hodgepodge of ideas.
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- Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian


If they made nothing but WWII games, I'd be perfectly content.  Hypothetical matchups from alternate history 1980s, asymmetrical US-bashes-some-3rd world guerillas, or minor wars between Upper Bumblescum and outer Kaboomistan hold no appeal for me.
- Silent Disapproval Robot


I guess it's sort of nice that the word "tactical" seems to refer to some kind of seriousness during your moments of mental clarity.
- MengJiao