Israel

[Groggy]

I'll just say this:

I've been reading claims that Israel is all good and Palestinians all bad, and many claims that say the exact opposite. It appears to me that members of both groups are doing great evils, while others of both groups suffer great evils.
I feel only grief and pain from it. And this is only the beginning because in the not so distant future we are going to see more disruption, violence, and general bizarreness with the geopolitical order. Change my mind.

[Sigwolf]

Change my mind.

As a general rule, anyone that ends a message in that fashion has already made up their mind, and any attempt to change it is an exercise in futility.

[GDS_Starfury]

the Arab world at large and certain specific groups have been trying to eradicate Israel from day 1.  many wars and countless terrorist acts later and you'll excuse me if I really don't give a fuck about the pali plight.  they were given gaza to do with as they please and decided to elect a terrorist organization to power.
has the IDF randomly lobbed rockets into gaza and the west back for shit and giggles?  no they haven't.
so spare me your grief and your wish to both sides this issue.

[GDS_Starfury]

Trophy working, watch the tank on the right.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1720797697190269197

[GDS_Starfury]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1720844002520396222

[GDS_Starfury]

[GDS_Starfury]

the stupidity...

[Groggy]

the Arab world at large and certain specific groups have been trying to eradicate Israel from day 1.  many wars and countless terrorist acts later and you'll excuse me if I really don't give a fuck about the pali plight.  they were given gaza to do with as they please and decided to elect a terrorist organization to power.
has the IDF randomly lobbed rockets into gaza and the west back for shit and giggles?  no they haven't.
so spare me your grief and your wish to both sides this issue.

The biggest part of the problem the way I see it is that Israel has a very right wing aspiring autocrat who needs a war to stay in power. And an extremists right wing fundamentalist autocratic government who refuses to hold elections and needs war to further their reign from their safe locations in Qatar.  So the problem is the leadership.  That is where we should focus.

[Gusington]

There's also the problem of billions of people latching on to this war as a new cause to wipe out Jews.

[Tripoli]

the stupidity...

Some analysis on the "Queers for Palestine" phenomenon: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/queers-palestine-identity-politics-its-most-absurd

[Gusington]

^Good link, Tripoli. If only people would read it.

[al_infierno]

"Leftists in English-speaking nations tend to see Palestinians (including Hamas) as an oppressed, brown victim class, whose freedom-fighting "resistance" against their oppressive, white, US-backed colonizers in Israel is a righteous cause with which to stand in solidarity."

This perfectly describes the common sentiment I see across Twitter.  Nothing all that more deeply examined than "white-backed US colonizers bad, oppressed brown-skinned people good"

[Gusington]

^Can we pit these idiots against the other idiots who see me as subhuman because I'm Jewish?

[W8taminute]

I came across this video clip on my YT feed this morning.  Wanted to share it and I hope it brings some comfort and understanding about why the world is the way it is. 

No this is not a proselytizing video, it's one of logic.  Some will understand this Rabbi's message and some will not.   

[JasonPratt]

The biggest part of the problem the way I see it is that Israel has a very right wing aspiring autocrat who needs a war to stay in power. And an extremists right wing fundamentalist autocratic government who refuses to hold elections and needs war to further their reign from their safe locations in Qatar.  So the problem is the leadership.  That is where we should focus.

So, just to be sure I understand your claim, you think Netanyahu, the elected president of an actual democratic republic which guarantees human rights to its citizens including freedom of religion, engineered a more-severe-than-usual Hamas attack on his people in order to keep from being voted out of office, and this is one of the things we should be focusing on?

And if so, would you consider that to be the biggest part of the problem, or only equally big of a problem as the actual genocidal fascist leadership by actual autocrats who (as actual autocrats) cannot be voted out of their reign and aren't in the area being attacked by their opponents unlike Netanyahu, and who have absolutely no concept of the protection of other people's fundamental rights?