It looks like another long drawn out season. First episode pretty much screams as much. Rick finds Negan. He as well as his intire group have clear shots to take him out....but instead....Rick scolds him. After that comical scene Rick shoots at him with a bullpup rifle on full auto....and yes you can guess it...shots go high and wide and Negan escapes. Next scene Gabriel...never short on stupid ideas...goes back to help the betrayer mayor of hilltop only to be betrayed by said a-hole and winds up surrounded by a thousand walkers. To seal the fact that we should know he's as dumb as we think he finds Negan...holding a baseball bat...yet Gariel...armed with a rifle , just lets him stroll up close and within striking distance as he spews out some crap about Gabriel shitting himself....uh...dispite the logical that Gabriel really has the upper hand. Yet he doesn't shoot him.
To insult everyone except the extremely ignorant Daryl shoots explosive charges at 40 yards out from a short barreled pistol..one handed from a motorcycle....in a shot. a repeats the stunt multiple times. Even from a show based on a comic I expect more.
Lastly, the dream scene with a flat top Rick in a fake beard was beyond cheese. Gimple and company have once again showed what they really think of the fans. There isn't even a grain left of what Frank Darabount brought.
I give episode one a two and half star rating...mainly for costumes. I'll give the writing one star because they form complete sentences. I'll give the actors 4 stars for trying the best they can do with what they were presented to work with.
Yeah, I agree about the confrontation scene. While Rick was doing the smack talking, someone should have taken Negan out. Instead, the only thing that the silly fusillade of shots accomplished was theatrically breaking a bunch of worthless windows. Then the shootout didn't seem to make much sense -- there was some shooting, then they got the zombies inside the compound, but I couldn't tell who was winning. I'm guessing that we will somehow loop back to the dream sequence, but those scenes were a bit over the top.
With the numbers the saviors have the whole thing makes no sense. We really see no response at all from the Saviors. And Negan seemed to be easily cornered- with rick taking pot shots at him.
I'm just not seeing what the heck the writers are thinking. It all seemed very easy for Rick and the gang to stroll in and basically undue all the savior's defenses. It actually took less effort to breech Negan's home base than it was 2 seasons ago for Rick and the gang to take out just a savior outpost.
The whole episode I don't know how many times i heard, "This was started by one man"....two...three...four times I guess....yet no one is taking out that one man dispite about a dozen perfect opurtunities to do so.
When you realize this long drag out fight is about all that has happened in the series now for two whole seasons...and nothing much else....it's becoming increasingly hard to even want to watch an episode. All the character development that drove the drama in the first 6 season was the show's heartbeat....now all we get is a comic book villian with no depth and a bunch of dumb one liners and zero character development with no meaningful interaction. We keep watching for the payoff with Rick killing Negan but it never comes. And the buzz I see among the show's fans they are tired of waiting.
The fight was indeed dumb. They made a big deal of eliminating the sentries methodically and crossing them off the list, one by one. But when they get to they compound, they stop, announce their presence, and we get more posturing. Rick even offers to let the leaders surrender. Then the fight ensues, but there is no real development. Suddenly, Rick has Negan cornered and possibly wounded. But I don't think we ever saw a Savior with a rifle shooting at Rick's group. And so far that note that got sent in on the arrow hasn't paid off yet.
I get the impression they're going to finish the feud with the Saviors by the second or third episode. Negan will take Gabriel hostage or do something especially violent to him. Rick will get his revenge with Negan in a particularly brutal fashion. But then that will be over, and Maggie will take over and be a new leader and that will finish out the season.
And - how many times does someone with a gun have the opportunity - a perfect opportunity - to take Negan out. It's dragging it out for the sake of it.
Even that bloody priest found himself in a trailer with Negan - a particularly nasty bad ass - and he didn't shoot him even though he had a gun!
Shit, daryl can ride by on his motorcycle and take out an explosive with his magic pistol at a hundred yards in one shot but a hundred of Rick's gang can't hit Negan when he's 15 yards in front of them using rifles, shotguns and semi automatics.
Are the writers even trying?
And the chick that is the producer seems hung up on dream scenes, timeline jumps and other artsy film methods that quite frankly I'm sick to death of. All the artsy crap in the world won't replace depth and character development- which they have ignored now forever. Rick and Michonne's get together never felt convincing because no time was spent on it- instead we get episode after episode about Negan--the most shallow Villian with zero background. While Rick's teenage kid has yet to get any from his girlfriend--that relationship has stayed stalled now for 2 seasons.
And I do believe those were Dream scenes as opposed to a timeline jump with Rick looking like Moses with a Kane. If you pay attention no one else in the scene looks any different than present day...so either we got a lazy make up crew or it's a dream scene.
In either event Negan isn't so clever and scary in this episode...if he ever was dispite the over the top killing in season 7 's opener. Here he seemed to be clueless and rather stupidly unprepared when Rick and gang stroll in.
It all could be bait for us and we're see Negan's big counter plan ....but if that is the case why not end the episode on that cliff hanger?
This is one of the worst season opener's rating wise as well... it's dying and this kind of stuff ain't saving it.
Quote from: ghostryder on October 26, 2017, 07:13:37 AMa hundred of Rick's gang can't hit Negan when he's 15 yards in front of them using rifles, shotguns and semi automatics.
they were trained by the A-Team
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 26, 2017, 07:57:26 AM
Quote from: ghostryder on October 26, 2017, 07:13:37 AMa hundred of Rick's gang can't hit Negan when he's 15 yards in front of them using rifles, shotguns and semi automatics.
they were trained by the A-Team
So they can also roll a car 12 times and have everyone climb out completely unhurt?
Man, you guys sound like me complaining about the new "Star Trek". :P
Quote from: bbmike on October 26, 2017, 08:19:37 AM
Man, you guys sound like me complaining about the new "Star Trek". :P
No one complains that much.
Just wait until I actually watch the other episodes...
Quote from: mirth on October 26, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on October 26, 2017, 08:19:37 AM
Man, you guys sound like me complaining about the new "Star Trek". :P
No one complains that much.
Oh, I know at least 1 person, and his sidekick, who can be counted on to complain that much
So, this season isnt any different the the others. Same story different names, same out come.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on October 26, 2017, 08:56:16 AM
Quote from: mirth on October 26, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Quote from: bbmike on October 26, 2017, 08:19:37 AM
Man, you guys sound like me complaining about the new "Star Trek". :P
No one complains that much.
Oh, I know at least 1 person, and his sidekick, who can be counted on to complain that much
I see what you did there
A drop in the season premiere's ratings: TWD's premiere ratings dropped 33% (https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/10/27/the-walking-deads-season-8-premiere-ratings-dropped-33-from-last-year/#35d254c9298b)
Here's the trend:
Season 1 (2.7, 5.35 million)
Season 2 (3.8, 7.26 million)
Season 3 (5.8, 10.86 million)
Season 4 (8.2, 16.11 million)
Season 5 (8.7, 17.29 million)
Season 6 (7.4, 14.63 million)
Season 7 (8.4, 17.03 million)
Season 8 (5.0, 11.4 million)
Season 7 killed it for me - managed 6 episodes and that's it, havent bothered with the rest and won't with 8 - I used to genuinely care about the characters and now couldn't care less
Quote from: WallysWorld on October 28, 2017, 10:36:19 PM
A drop in the season premiere's ratings: TWD's premiere ratings dropped 33% (https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/10/27/the-walking-deads-season-8-premiere-ratings-dropped-33-from-last-year/#35d254c9298b)
Here's the trend:
Season 1 (2.7, 5.35 million)
Season 2 (3.8, 7.26 million)
Season 3 (5.8, 10.86 million)
Season 4 (8.2, 16.11 million)
Season 5 (8.7, 17.29 million)
Season 6 (7.4, 14.63 million)
Season 7 (8.4, 17.03 million)
Season 8 (5.0, 11.4 million)
and its still making trucks full of cash with advertising, merchandising, spin offs, comics and whatnot.
Bah. I still like it. But then I do have a soft spot for post apocalyptic stuff.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 29, 2017, 04:01:53 PM
and its still making trucks full of cash with advertising, merchandising, spin offs, comics and whatnot.
Technically, isn't the show a spin-off from the comics?
technically, isn't Grogheads a spin-off of Wargamer?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 29, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
technically, isn't Grogheads a spin-off of Wargamer?
Wouldn't we have to maintain some form of parent-child relationship with them for that to be the case?
Aren't we more like when the guys from GNR said "fuck it" and formed Velvet Revolver?
I just watched episode 2 of season 8. Another meh. I can't quite follow the battle. First there is a placid scene where the Saviors are cleaning their guns, oblivious to the assault (are they deaf?). That results in a big gun battle, with both sides are just throwing lead at each other, but mid-way through the episode the walkers start taking out the Saviors -- but then they stop. Meanwhile, Morgan and Jesus are leading teams to assault and clear a building, and suddenly they have full seal team 6 ninja warrior skills, able to get the first deadly shot off with perfect accuracy every time. Rick and Darryl start out with a team to clear another building and look for something, but soon they are alone on the top floor, showing super ninja skills interspersed with idiocy (gee, let me dwell on this photo for a long time with my back to the room so that guy can sneak up on me) that results in Rick getting ambushed twice. I also don't quite understand Carol and the King (Carol King?), who are wandering around in the woods trying to sneak up on another compound (I think?) while the King continues to give pep talks to the team and Carol looks skeptical. Throughout this, Neegan and his inner circle are nowhere to be seen.
Oh yeah -- In the big gun fight, both sides are blazing away at each other. There are lots of full-auto rifles there, which is pretty dubious, yet I didn't see a single reload. If they were shooting that much, they'd be running through magazines like crazy, and if I were in that situation, I'd have every pocket stuffed with extra mags. (I'd would also not be wasting so much ammo.)
The teams that are clearing out the other buildings now conveniently have lots of guns with silencers on them. Yeah, maybe it's plausible, but not very. I think it's just to add to their ninja image.
Quote from: trailrunner on October 30, 2017, 08:00:57 PM
Oh yeah -- In the big gun fight, both sides are blazing away at each other. There are lots of full-auto rifles there, which is pretty dubious, yet I didn't see a single reload. If they were shooting that much, they'd be running through magazines like crazy, and if I were in that situation, I'd have every pocket stuffed with extra mags. (I'd would also not be wasting so much ammo.)
http://grogheads.com/featured-posts/10458
The first two episodes so far have really sucked. I am almost about to quit watching. Again.
but you wont.
I like to read up on TV ratings just to see how a show is doing and episode 2 had the lowest ratings since the season finale of season 2.
"Down to the worst the series has done in adults 18-49 since back on March 11, 2012, this Sunday's TWD delivered 4.0 rating in the key demo. With a total viewership of 8.92 million, "The Damned" episode was damned to fall below any episode since its Season 2 finale of March 18, 2012, which had an audience of 8.99 million.
With that, TWD EPs and AMC are surely hoping they are holding a ratings ace with the anticipated crossover sometime next year between the show and its Fear The Walking Dead spinoff. Offering few specifics, Kirkman announced the crossover to roars at this year's New York Comic-Com earlier this month."
TWD's ratings (http://deadline.com/2017/10/the-walking-dead-ratings-fall-five-year-low-world-series-nfl-amc-1202198685/)
The second episode clearly shows Gillian and crew can't tell a decent story. We still are wondering what happens with Negan and our idiot Gabriel-- and if I'm not mistaken the compound Rick and Daryll are sweeping for a weapons cache is the very same main compound they assaulted and withdrew from in episode one---leaving Gabriel with Negan surrounded by 1000 walkers-- as we clearly see Daryll opening his old cell and many bedrooms we've seen before in the compound. Supposively these weapons are present because of the same inside info given to them from the same inside source---whatever that guy's name is--that helped with elimating the lookouts.
Morgan and crew get mowed down by standing openly in front of a closed door they stupidly open...come on--even bad cop shows have the detective take cover beside said door before they open it-- but like --- the bullets magically bounce off Morgan and only kill his companions- even the high powered ones from an ak-47---and he gets up and can't empty his limitless pistol clip no matter how many people he kills.
The only dialogue we get the whole episode is between Carol and the King--- and that's basically this old Zoo keeper reafirming how his fantasy has become reality-- as we know Carol knows his secret that he just made the whole damn thing up-- and simply smiles throughout---she clearly likes this nutball---afterall he's less dumb than the garbage people we've yet seen this season---I would expect Rick and crew wants payback for that betrayal--
Oh, the real dramatic part was the gay guy getting shot...the one that is so insignificant I think he's had 3 minutes of airtime during his 3 season appearance. We also get some dialougue from the lesbo about her dead lover--so at least the LBGT community get's their lobbied agenda aired. Other than that one has to wonder what the hell the episode was about? Story never moved. Where's Carl and his girlfriend BTW? Never saw them. Rick's girlfriend was missing in action and i'm not remembering Maggie--- which BTW has been nothing but a fifth wheel since Glenn died-- the whole angle of her leading Hilltop- and Rick wanting to follow? Sorry-- it's a setup as she'll be the next main character off'd as she no longer really has a purpose and just reminds viewers Glen is dead.
I remember the good old days when fans talked endlessly about the characters and what might happen--now all we ever talk about is how dumb the scenes are and how out of character everyone is behaving. I wonder why I invest my Amazon money on it--it's now become like watching a crash scene on the interstate-where you just have to slow down to look.
why do you dislike gay people so much?
I don't dislike gay people...it's their agenda that I dislike. they got to be represented now in all forms of entertainment....even a zombie a apocalypse can't skirt the agenda. Yet...in reality they represent less than 5% of the population they have to be represented 100 percent on our TV screen? Pleeeeese!
5% of population = 1 in 20. Were there at least 20 characters on Walking Dead? Yes. You get a gay one.
It's almost as if gay people have personalities
But that can't be it....
so what was your gay moment like?
Then let me suggest a show for you guys that your love on Netflix. Sense 8. The cast....8. Only two are straight. There's a sex scene every episode...everyone gets one except the straight couple--they get nothing the whole season. What does all the gay sex scenes have to do with the general theme of the show? Absolutely nothing. It's right up your alley.
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Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 04:39:52 AM
Then let me suggest a show for you guys that your love on Netflix. Sense 8. The cast....8. Only two are straight. There's a sex scene every episode...everyone gets one except the straight couple--they get nothing the whole season. What does all the gay sex scenes have to do with the general theme of the show? Absolutely nothing. It's right up your alley.
if you're clearly so concerned with the fact that gay folks get a chance to have their stories told, why are you bothering to watch?
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Stay homophobic my friends....
Quote from: ghostryder on November 01, 2017, 09:32:30 PM
I don't dislike gay people...it's their agenda that I dislike. they got to be represented now in all forms of entertainment....even a zombie a apocalypse can't skirt the agenda. Yet...in reality they represent less than 5% of the population they have to be represented 100 percent on our TV screen? Pleeeeese!
Are you actually joking...100% on your TV screen?
The guy was literally seen being teary eyed over seeing the guy he loved being shot....what exactly was the big deal?
And gay people's agenda being what? To get people to look at them as they would a straight person and not like they've got two heads?
People view gay relationships as odd/unacceptable/disgusting/against the lord/filthy for various reasons.
I had a discussion with an old army buddy and I was rather shocked at his lack of movement and progression over acceptance of people. He said - and not a direct quote because you know...memory...but along the lines of - "They're everywhere now"...like they weren't everywhere before. They were just in the shadows because that's where they had to be otherwise they were disowned by family, disowned by friends, disowned by the community and unemployable. Being gay wasn't an acceptable thing to be.
Now people might have that view for other reasons still...and that's their prerogative to have those views. But the "agenda" is to make being gay not "a bad thing" not "a mental illness" and not "a disease"
We saw Rick and Michonne getting it on last season I think. To some that would still be viewed as abhorrent. To others, it wasn't and likely that's because over the years it's been mainstreamed more and so become acceptable - to some.
Others just won't get passed their bigotry - but you can't change everyone.
Point is the "agenda" that you do not appreciate is to try and help them appear normal to people whom otherwise will view them as abnormal.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 02, 2017, 06:12:01 AMPoint is the "agenda" that you do not appreciate is to try and help them appear normal to people whom otherwise will view them as abnormal.
+1
First off your premise and math is sorely off. That 5 percent was a generous number the gay community site often. the actual number is closer to 3 percent.--- why is that relevant and why is the agenda to have them included-whether it fits in with the premise of the show or not--is exactly to give the impression they are the norm. But 3 percent or even 5 percent isn't the norm is it? Thus this why the agenda is so apparant when one watches these shows. And pointing that agenda out DOES NOT make me homophobic-- it only brings focus to the PC tactic of name calling to silence the opposition---a regular occurance nowadays where you either shut up and don't speak your views or your some kind of phobic...I call BS.
Secondly if your going to say "there's 20 people on the show thus the gay stuff is okay" is totally intellectually dishonest. To get that 20 people you have to include the extras as there certainly isn't 20 main characters. But the show doesn't attempt to display the sexual orientation of the extras does it?...for all we know they all might be gay then? Of the main characters...and the second and third tier characters that have something written---the gay total...as usual...is hugely contrary to actual RL numbers--that's what makes the agenda stand out.
Thirdly..none of the above is even relevant to the premise of the show---a zombie show..but whatever...keep your political correctness rolling and don't forget the Aveeno :hug:
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:09:29 AM
And pointing that agenda out DOES NOT make me homophobic--
No, it's the rest of your rant against gay people on TV that does.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:09:29 AM
Thirdly..none of the above is even relevant to the premise of the show---a zombie show..
Exactly, it's a show about the zombie apocalypse. You're bitching because gay characters are ruining the "realism" of your zombie apocalypse show.
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 07:20:13 AM
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:09:29 AM
Thirdly..none of the above is even relevant to the premise of the show---a zombie show..
Exactly, it's a show about the zombie apocalypse. You're bitching because gay characters are ruining the "realism" of your zombie apocalypse show.
And what about a zombie apocalypse precludes gays being present? 3% or 5% some will end up as zombies and some will be normal.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:09:29 AMTo get that 20 people you have to include the extras as there certainly isn't 20 main characters.
here's 32 characters with at least 20 episodes each
You tell me which ones are extras
Aaron54 episodes, 2015-2018
Andrea Harrison35 episodes, 2010-2013
Beth Greene51 episodes, 2011-2016
Bob Stookey23 episodes, 2013-2016
Carl Grimes / ... 115 episodes, 2010-2018
Carol Peletier / ... 112 episodes, 2010-2018
Daryl Dixon / ... 113 episodes, 2010-2018
Dr. Eugene Porter / ... 68 episodes, 2014-2018
Dwight36 episodes, 2015-2018
Enid33 episodes, 2015-2018
Father Gabriel Stokes63 episodes, 2014-2018
Glenn Rhee81 episodes, 2010-2016
Gregory32 episodes, 2016-2018
Hershel Greene38 episodes, 2011-2016
Lori Grimes36 episodes, 2010-2016
Maggie Greene / ... 108 episodes, 2011-2018
Michonne96 episodes, 2012-2018
Morgan Jones / ... 53 episodes, 2010-2018
Negan33 episodes, 2016-2018
Paul 'Jesus' Rovia / ... 34 episodes, 2016-2018
Rick Grimes / ... 115 episodes, 2010-2018
Rosita Espinosa / ... 68 episodes, 2014-2018
Sasha Williams69 episodes, 2012-2017
Sgt. Abraham Ford38 episodes, 2014-2017
Shane Walsh20 episodes, 2010-2012
Simon22 episodes, 2016-2018
Spencer Monroe27 episodes, 2015-2016
Tara Chambler / ... 71 episodes, 2013-2018
The Governor20 episodes, 2012-2015
Theodore 'T-Dog' Douglas20 episodes, 2010-2012
Tobin20 episodes, 2015-2017
Tyreese Williams32 episodes, 2012-2016
Sorry you're so bad at math
Quote from: Barthheart on November 02, 2017, 07:22:10 AM
Quote from: mirth on November 02, 2017, 07:20:13 AM
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:09:29 AM
Thirdly..none of the above is even relevant to the premise of the show---a zombie show..
Exactly, it's a show about the zombie apocalypse. You're bitching because gay characters are ruining the "realism" of your zombie apocalypse show.
And what about a zombie apocalypse precludes gays being present? 3% or 5% some will end up as zombies and some will be normal.
In Ghostie's mind, all the zombies are gay. The show is an allegory for the liberal/homosexual takeover of 'murica.
You see the tactic here? Not anything I said was about anything but the agenda. I said not one thing about gays as a person, persons or whatever. Just the agenda they push. And look at the political Correct Bullshit trying to put words in my mouth and label me. It's quite frankly disgusting.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:27:16 AM
You see the tactic here? Not anything I said was about anything but the agenda. I said not one thing about gays as a person, persons or whatever. Just the agenda they push. And look at the political Correct Bullshit trying to put words in my mouth and label me. It's quite frankly disgusting.
You brought the topic up. You bitched about the homosexual characters on the show. No one else was discussing it at all. You brought it up. Sorry if the rest of us don't share in your homophobia.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:09:29 AM
First off your premise and math is sorely off. That 5 percent was a generous number the gay community site often. the actual number is closer to 3 percent.--- why is that relevant and why is the agenda to have them included-whether it fits in with the premise of the show or not--is exactly to give the impression they are the norm. But 3 percent or even 5 percent isn't the norm is it? Thus this why the agenda is so apparant when one watches these shows. And pointing that agenda out DOES NOT make me homophobic-- it only brings focus to the PC tactic of name calling to silence the opposition---a regular occurance nowadays where you either shut up and don't speak your views or your some kind of phobic...I call BS.
Secondly if your going to say "there's 20 people on the show thus the gay stuff is okay" is totally intellectually dishonest. To get that 20 people you have to include the extras as there certainly isn't 20 main characters. But the show doesn't attempt to display the sexual orientation of the extras does it?...for all we know they all might be gay then? Of the main characters...and the second and third tier characters that have something written---the gay total...as usual...is hugely contrary to actual RL numbers--that's what makes the agenda stand out.
Thirdly..none of the above is even relevant to the premise of the show---a zombie show..but whatever...keep your political correctness rolling and don't forget the Aveeno :hug:
Why does it not fit in with the premise of the show? Are you absolutely certain there won't be any gay people if a zombie apocalypse occurs? I reckon there'll be more than your "inflated" 5% figure.
Perhaps you think they'll all be the zombies?
And it's not to make being gay "the norm"...it's to make it less abnormal. There
is a difference
The "gay stuff" should be ok because - well - it should be ok. We're in the 21st century ffs and we should be showing more tolerance on all sorts of issues - including LGBT.
The reason it's in the show is to make it "ok" and help find more tolerance so these people don't have to hide in the shadows.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 02, 2017, 07:45:29 AM
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And it's not to make being gay "the norm"...it's to make it less abnormal. There is a difference
The "gay stuff" should be ok because - well - it should be ok. We're in the 21st century ffs and we should be showing more tolerance on all sorts of issues - including LGBT.
The reason it's in the show is to make it "ok" and help find more tolerance so these people don't have to hide in the shadows.
+1. O0
You brought the topic up. You bitched about the homosexual characters on the show. No one else was discussing it at all. You brought it up. Sorry if the rest of us don't share in your homophobia
Another clown putting words in mouth and labeling me. I never once bitched about gays. I "mentioned" the agenda but quite frankly you can't even say I bitched about that either--I just pointed it out and that it was present.
To Bayonetbryant---I know your bending over backwards to create an agurment here with that long list of long dead characters...but here's a clue...they're dead. there's no active story telling at present going on on the show although somewhere in your warped logic your trying to bring them back and make them part of the present. But since we are in the present....I'll still say it doesn't come close to 20....yet we have at least a 35 percent representation here of gays if not more.
Why does it not fit in with the premise of the show? Are you absolutely certain there won't be any gay people if a zombie apocalypse occurs? I reckon there'll be more than your "inflated" 5% figure.
Perhaps you think they'll all be the zombies?
And it's not to make being gay "the norm"...it's to make it less abnormal. There is a difference
The "gay stuff" should be ok because - well - it should be ok. We're in the 21st century ffs and we should be showing more tolerance on all sorts of issues - including LGBT.
The reason it's in the show is to make it "ok" and help find more tolerance so these people don't have to hide in the shadows.
Now here's a good post by a well thinking individual obviously not beating a political drum. My hat's off to you JudgeDredd. You've made a worthy argument and you didn't have to fish for long dead characters, put words in my mouth or call be homophobic.
So here's my reply: Sure there's gonna be some gay folks around. But that many? No...I think the number will reflect the number now. But that's a small point--your bigger point is "And it's not to make being gay "the norm"...it's to make it less abnormal. There is a difference" and that is a good one. I agree with it in fact. But there's a line where it gets overdone--and i think the line is crossed here. We're talking survival and what one might say during a fire fight...and I'm not just convinced in the heat of battle with bullets flying would one hear being said to female cast member "I know you loved her, but we got a job to do".
It's as rediculous as Rick saying...while chopping off the head of the enemy, "I really am in love with Michonne"---some things fit. This just doesn't and it distracts from the show...so I pointed it out. And that's all i think...pointed it out. But look at the mandy pandy crap that brought. :crazy2:
People just seem perched to spew hate at every opportunity anymore even when there was not one smigeon of it anywhere in my post.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 08:28:57 AM
You brought the topic up. You bitched about the homosexual characters on the show. No one else was discussing it at all. You brought it up. Sorry if the rest of us don't share in your homophobia
Another clown putting words in mouth and labeling me. I never once bitched about gays. I "mentioned" the agenda but quite frankly you can't even say I bitched about that either--I just pointed it out and that it was present.
You are the only person here who seems to think the show is promoting an LGBT agenda. You are the only person talking about gay characters being disproportionately over-represented. That doesn't make you some kind of champion of "truth". It just makes you a jackass.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 08:28:57 AM
People just seem perched to spew hate at every opportunity anymore even when there was not one smigeon of it anywhere in my post.
Just bigotry and ignorance. 2 out of 3 ain't bad. I'm confident you'll get around to hate eventually. O0
Trump still loves him....
Here's my original post:
he second episode clearly shows Gillian and crew can't tell a decent story. We still are wondering what happens with Negan and our idiot Gabriel-- and if I'm not mistaken the compound Rick and Daryll are sweeping for a weapons cache is the very same main compound they assaulted and withdrew from in episode one---leaving Gabriel with Negan surrounded by 1000 walkers-- as we clearly see Daryll opening his old cell and many bedrooms we've seen before in the compound. Supposively these weapons are present because of the same inside info given to them from the same inside source---whatever that guy's name is--that helped with elimating the lookouts.
Morgan and crew get mowed down by standing openly in front of a closed door they stupidly open...come on--even bad cop shows have the detective take cover beside said door before they open it-- but like --- the bullets magically bounce off Morgan and only kill his companions- even the high powered ones from an ak-47---and he gets up and can't empty his limitless pistol clip no matter how many people he kills.
The only dialogue we get the whole episode is between Carol and the King--- and that's basically this old Zoo keeper reafirming how his fantasy has become reality-- as we know Carol knows his secret that he just made the whole damn thing up-- and simply smiles throughout---she clearly likes this nutball---afterall he's less dumb than the garbage people we've yet seen this season---I would expect Rick and crew wants payback for that betrayal--
Oh, the real dramatic part was the gay guy getting shot...the one that is so insignificant I think he's had 3 minutes of airtime during his 3 season appearance. We also get some dialougue from the lesbo about her dead lover--so at least the LBGT community get's their lobbied agenda aired. Other than that one has to wonder what the hell the episode was about? Story never moved. Where's Carl and his girlfriend BTW? Never saw them. Rick's girlfriend was missing in action and i'm not remembering Maggie--- which BTW has been nothing but a fifth wheel since Glenn died-- the whole angle of her leading Hilltop- and Rick wanting to follow? Sorry-- it's a setup as she'll be the next main character off'd as she no longer really has a purpose and just reminds viewers Glen is dead.
I remember the good old days when fans talked endlessly about the characters and what might happen--now all we ever talk about is how dumb the scenes are and how out of character everyone is behaving. I wonder why I invest my Amazon money on it--it's now become like watching a crash scene on the interstate-where you just have to slow down to look.
Out of all that here's what's the focus on: Oh, the real dramatic part was the gay guy getting shot...the one that is so insignificant I think he's had 3 minutes of airtime during his 3 season appearance. We also get some dialougue from the lesbo about her dead lover--so at least the LBGT community get's their lobbied agenda aired. Other than that one has to wonder what the hell the episode was about?
Out of that line..which in context was in regards to what the episode was about--followed up by pointing out the story never moved--everyone extrapolates what? I hate gays. I'm homophobic, ignorant and the latest a bigot. All out of that one line surrounded by multiple paragraphs.
Really?
there's hate here for sure....but not in my post.
I'm not sure I would have used the word "lesbo". ::)
Quote from: bbmike on November 02, 2017, 09:00:58 AM
I'm not sure I would have used the word "lesbo". ::)
Yep....I had to roll my eyes at that one too.
Now we are grasping at straws here people. I never claimed to be Shakespear. I never even claimed I could correctly write a sentence for that matter. I apreviated the word out of laziness..not bigotry. get a grip people. I mentioned it mainly to add weight to my main premise of the post. Nothing happened. It was an empty episode. Pointing out the LBGT was in fact me saying...."if you had to find any meaning in the episode at all you could point to that".
The negative infired here wasn't towards LBGT but to the overall lack of writing. And that is all it was. The rest was "created' by you guys.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 09:11:14 AM
I never claimed to be Shakespear.
Or to know how to spell Shakespeare.
ROFL :D
Quote from: bbmike on November 02, 2017, 09:00:58 AM
I'm not sure I would have used the word "lesbo". ::)
it's OK though - he
says he's not homophobic
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 09:11:14 AM
Now we are grasping at straws here people. I never claimed to be Shakespear. I never even claimed I could correctly write a sentence for that matter. I apreviated the word out of laziness..not bigotry. get a grip people. I mentioned it mainly to add weight to my main premise of the post. Nothing happened. It was an empty episode. Pointing out the LBGT was in fact me saying...."if you had to find any meaning in the episode at all you could point to that".
The negative infired here wasn't towards LBGT but to the overall lack of writing. And that is all it was. The rest was "created' by you guys.
As mentioned - I believe inferred by you and mentioned by others - it seems that perhaps you are taking the agenda thing as being something rammed down your throat by PC people and I think you are getting to that conclusion because of the use of dialogue that "doesn't make sense" in the segments it was in, correct? And also, in the part of the gay guy being shot - so what? He's had 3 minutes, right?
So it's those two specific sections that make you feel like it's PC bullshit and an agenda being forced? (I understand your wider point being the dialogue being poor).
If so - I can see your point though I would argue that it's not valid. Well - it's not valid in the sense that it's not PC BS being forced down peoples throats anyway - or at least as far as I'm concerned. Why?
Because there's been 8 seasons and 4 gay characters out of all the characters that I can recall. That's not a huge amount.
As for the dialogue...I wouldn't say it's worse than some of the other stuff in it - or as pointless either. The guy addressing the lesbian and saying he knows she misses her lover but they've got a job to do - I can't recall the script - but iirc that was because she wanted to kill a guy and she wanted to because her lover had been killed by them. That doesn't seem out of context to me.
As for the gay guy being shot. Regardless of airtime - he was known to be gay and who his lover was and as such when he was shot, his lover was going to be upset.
I'm afraid I just don't agree with your point. In fact, those two sections were probably the ONLY things that have made sense in the 2 episodes I've seen. WTF was Rick having a conversation with the nastiest guy Rick's ever come across when said guy has presented himself as a huge target?
Also - regarding the lesbo thing, that is why there's an agenda at all. Regardless of how you meant it, it is perceived to be derogatory because historically it's been used to
be derogatory. The "agenda" - and I wouldn't say that's necessarily the correct term anyway - is to change perceptions so that lesbo isn't the phrase used. I'm sure you used it in a manner not to be derogatory - but given it's always been used in that way, you're just making it harder to say your not homophobic. I'm sure you're not - but using certain language in certain situations might make it difficult to argue the point.
At the end of the day - even if those characters and their dialogue was shoe-horned in - so what? It doesn't really matter. It didn't take away from the program. There was plenty of other stuff to pissed about and even more stuff that made far less sense for those two sections to be completely forgettable imo
well.... Fear of the Walking Dead has Mexicans.
one of whom may or may not be gay.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2017, 11:20:29 AM
well.... Fear of the Walking Dead has Mexicans.
one of whom may or may not be gay.
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well.... Fear of the Walking Dead has Mexicans.
one of whom may or may not be gay
I haven't bothered with season 3 but I viewed the first 2 seasons. One of the main characters is gay but he's not Mexican. He's Black. He takes the rest of show's character to Mexico to meet up with his lover...who is supposed to be Mexican but is played by a non mexican actor. He get's bitten and dies. The Mexican Mom...who at least appears to be Mexican-- keeps the dead in a cage as she feels even if they are dead they are loved ones that need taking care of. Another main character ends up locking her in that cage to be killed---
the show also stars a drug addict as a hero. his sister is another piece of work. in fact the entire cast is hard to connect with and the show never grabbed me. Hense I don't bother with it anymore.
As to Judge Dread's post--again I linked one line in my multiple paragraph summary of the episode. I'd hardly say I was fixated on it. It was just something I pointed out but the rest of the forum replies sure speak mountains to what political correctness has done to society. What was sold as "to not offend" has actually created modern day witch hunting with the mob ready to burn offenders at the stake. Pure chaos and mob rule--- and sadly the one being burned isn't the only victim either.
dude, you have more issues then Time.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 02, 2017, 04:18:56 PM
dude, you have more issues then Time.
More issues and "Time" shows up afterwards?
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 02:47:06 PM
well.... Fear of the Walking Dead has Mexicans.
one of whom may or may not be gay
I haven't bothered with season 3 but I viewed the first 2 seasons. One of the main characters is gay but he's not Mexican. He's Black. He takes the rest of show's character to Mexico to meet up with his lover...who is supposed to be Mexican but is played by a non mexican actor. He get's bitten and dies. The Mexican Mom...who at least appears to be Mexican-- keeps the dead in a cage as she feels even if they are dead they are loved ones that need taking care of. Another main character ends up locking her in that cage to be killed---
the show also stars a drug addict as a hero. his sister is another piece of work. in fact the entire cast is hard to connect with and the show never grabbed me. Hense I don't bother with it anymore.
As to Judge Dread's post--again I linked one line in my multiple paragraph summary of the episode. I'd hardly say I was fixated on it. It was just something I pointed out but the rest of the forum replies sure speak mountains to what political correctness has done to society. What was sold as "to not offend" has actually created modern day witch hunting with the mob ready to burn offenders at the stake. Pure chaos and mob rule--- and sadly the one being burned isn't the only victim either.
I wouldn't burn you at the stake. But I'd like for something so inoffensive to not factor in your critique.
As I pointed out there are lots of things wrong with this season currently - having 4 gay people in it doesn't even come onto my radar. Maybe that's why those two aspects stuck out to me like a beacon in your thread...that it really had absolutely zero bearing on the show or it's impact on me or even that I noticed anything (I mean ANYTHING) at all wrong with either scene's you spoke of.
Good points JudgeDredd.
Starfubar...I don't even know what that sentence means dude. How many beers have you had?
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During a zombie apocolypse, all survivors pee the same color
Quote from: OJsDad on November 03, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
During a zombie apocolypse, al survivors pee the same color
Only Al survivors? What about Bob and Mike etc. survivors? :P
Quote from: Barthheart on November 03, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: OJsDad on November 03, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
During a zombie apocolypse, al survivors pee the same color
Only Al survivors? What about Bob and Mike etc. survivors? :P
There, fixed it. :knuppel2:
Quote from: ghostryder on November 02, 2017, 07:56:39 PM
Starfubar...I don't even know what that sentence means dude. How many beers have you had?
Your know Shakespear you're self.
This websight is funnie alot.
Episode 3:
Pretty much starts off where Episode 2 ended. This episode plays out in a straight timeline. There's no time jumps or dream sequences, thus overall it's the best episode thus far of the season. Rick and daryl hold off in the building---there's some tic for tat between Rick and the guy we see holding a gun to him but Daryl just shows up and offs him. "You know who that was" Rick asks, and Daryl just shrugs, "Hey...so"? He repeats his bad ass'ness later in the episode when some guy behind a tree starts taking potshots at them. Rick offers a deal...."come out...tell us what we need to know, you live. you can even take a car." So the guy comes out...tells them what they need to know...and daryl kills him. Rick shoots an annoyed look and again Daryl just shrugs. It is by far the most enjoyable part of the episode.
Meanwhile The king and his crew get talked up and assault their target. No one among them dies...just as the king talked it up...well until the end of the episode where it ends on them getting ambushed. But up to then carol is still all smiles.
Jesus and crew mainly escort their prisoners back to hilltop-with Jesus and Morgan debating the whole move. Eventually Morgan snaps...not unlike he has in previous seasons. Poor Morgan. he just can't seem to be balanced. he's just one extreme to another. either a full blown Pacifist or a stone cold killer. Even after Jesus attempts to beat some sense into him...he says..."I'm not right....I'm not right" and then, "but that doesn't make me wrong." as he wanders off.
Aaron takes his partner to retreat to a tree. His partner urges him to return to the fight and they exchange "love you"s---some pretty good acting on Aaron's part--the only one of them that really has had any airtime. Later he returns and see's his partner has turned and is wandering toward the rest of the walkers. He ends up taking a baby from Rick to return to hilltop--
At Hilltop Maggie is comfronted first by our traitor Mayor. She asks where's Gabriel and why does he have Gabrie'ls car...but in the end they let the slim in. And later the rest of the slim that's with jesus.
So this episode plot wise still at a standstill but a smidge of character development. It's told and directred far better than the first two episodes but in the big picture it's starting to add up to looking like half a season will be spent on gun battles with a mid season hook--which makes it still pretty much of a dude thus far---but I though the episode was at least watchable with a couple chuckle moments with Rick and Daryl.
so youre happy that one of the gay guys got dead.
I slept through half this most recent episode but definitely Daryl FTW. Still disappointed this season.
Episode 3 was slightly better than episode 2. I knew the king's words were going to haunt him, but they didn't need the plot of Rick and Daryl looking for the heavy machine guns to make it work. Most of the plot in this episode was about trust -- do we trust them or not? Morgan is in anguish over the issue, Daryl doesn't trust anyone, and the other major players in the group seem to have gone to the soft side and want to forgive and forget. The gay guys just didn't draw much empathy from me -- not because they are gay, but because it just seemed like a perfect sequence of tear-jerker events. I had little emotional connection to them (and again, not because they are gay -- I don't care about that). The gunfights are ludicrous, with everyone now having full-auto rifles. I didn't understand the shootout in the car yard -- all of sudden, one side turns 180 and starts fighting the other way. Rick and Daryl's gunfight in the hall seemed silly too.
It looks like they are on the verge of conquering the Saviors. Neegan hasn't been seen for the last two episodes, so once the Saviors are beaten, maybe we'll see a hostage situation where Neegan tries to trade Gabriel's life for his own. Tense moments -- Rick has to make a tough decision -- what will he do?
That will take us through the first half of the season. The second half will center on Maggie's leadership of Hilltop. And again the trust issue -- can they trust the prisoners? Will Morgan have a mental breakdown? Maybe Carol will help center him.
I still think this season is lame.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 06, 2017, 08:05:14 PM
so youre happy that one of the gay guys got dead.
I think the scene was predictable from episode 2. the actor who plays Aaron did a good job. A lot of times when actors play gay men they aren't convincing...you can tell they're straight guys playing a gay guy. Fear of the walking dead suffered that...but here Aaron pulled it off. The reason however the scene didn't work was because Eric, the one who died--wasn't even in the script that much. Aaron had a lot more air time but even he would be a 3rd string red shirt. We all expect red shirts to be expendable all the way from star trek days--- so we have nothing invested in them. And that has nothing to do with the fact they're gay- just their place on the show.
I also don't think the Morgan angle is working either. I like the character but we already went down that mental roller coaster with him already. To rerun that again just seems a desperate act to get character back in the series when in reality it's been the writers all along that have killed that. The whole trust angel really only worked with Daryl and Rick with a simple look and shrug.
I think if I griped about a show as much as you seem to gripe about TWD, I would've already pulled the plug and quit watching
hard to do when you pre purchase the season. Besides that if you 'own' a series you want to own the complete set---even if the last 2 or 3 seasons were bad. If you own "Lost" I'm sure the ending dissapointed as did "The Sapronos". This isn't just common. It's the norm with TV. Shows like "Breaking Bad" are not just rare...they are unheard of. To me 'The walking dead" really ended with the final with the governor. With rick and the Governor destroying themselves. But the money angle keeps it going.
ROFL!
It's a shame james gandolfini died. We could have seen a movie at some point.
Still hoping for the Morgan "Aikido: The Walking Dead" spinoff. :dreamer:
Episode 4:
I guess the budget for CGI Tigers was cut. other than that the rest of the episode was about the guns Rick and daryl have been searching for. The badass of the episode was carol. The king was just "Some guy" for which the episode was named---and the bulk of it was indeed centered on him.
The absurd as usual was the gun play. never ending ammo and suddenly no one has any. Full auto---and most rifles with no sights at all on them to the Aluminum siding that is supposed to stop 7.62 rounds. Watching Rick and daryl dodge the heavy weapon on a bike and a jeep was beyond dumb. But I guess if your a Hollywood writer you've never owned, fired or even taken 5 minutes to browse the web to learn anything about them. It kinda reminds me of the bad 70s action flicks -- overall the writers have taken the show into an area they were ill prepared to venture. I mean this is georgia.....where do all these full autos come from?
As far as this season, I enjoyed last night's episode the best and did not fall asleep.
Quote from: ghostryder on November 13, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
I guess the budget for CGI Tigers was cut.
Or, they continued the storyline from the comics, where Shiva dies
Quote from: ghostryder on November 13, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
I mean this is georgia.....where do all these full autos come from?
First off, while they film in Georgia the current storyline is taking place in Alexandria, Virginia
Second, if they were still in Georgia and they were looking for heavy machine guns, they could check Fort Stewart, Fort Benning, or Fort Gordon just for starters
I agree with Gus: this was the best episode of the season. The bar is set low, but at least it held my interest the entire time.
Yes, the gun play is ridiculous. The full-auto guns that ghostryder refers to are the small arms, not the medium or heavy MGs, which are somewhat plausible if they were taken from an armory, which are in every state. Everyone's AR and AK is now full auto, which is not realistic, nor is the endless ammo without reloading. While they're blasting Carol behind the blue truck, they just shoot and shoot, and don't bother flanking (it was 5 vs 1). She also returns fire in full auto. Spray and pray.
You guys are gonna have me start to think about it and thus enjoy it less :(
This season is a nightmare.
How many rounds without a hit? All Carol had to do when those two guys were dealing with the walkers was stick it on single shot and pop pop...in the head. out of the game. Instead she goes full auto AND MISSES from what, 30 feet?
As for the direction. Have they got a new director in that loves flashbacks? I mean...c'mon!
8 seasons...it's done well, but if this is the sign of things to come... :hide:
Quote from: JudgeDredd on November 15, 2017, 01:17:33 AM
How many rounds without a hit?
yeah, they apparently learned to shoot at the A-Team School of Stormtrooper Marksmanship
I just watched episode 9 The Big Scary U. Not much to complain about, because not much happened. A real sleeper of an episode.
havent watched any of this since the governor was still around. have they had their jumping the shark moment yet? seems they have lost track of what made the show a hit in the first place!
Finally got around to watching the last episode. I was bing watching the last season of Longmire that finally aired. let's just say more happened in the 1st episode of Longmire than has happened in 2 whole seasons of the walking dead. This last episode was kinda of jumping around timewise--we zoom to Gabriel and Negan surrounded by walkers then zoom to Rick and Daryl at the truck they drove off the road last episode and some filler in which we see the meeting that took place right before rick and everyone shows up to attack. Some sniff'n out who the informer might be and we get a small glimpse of Negan's past. not much. Just that he used to work with kids and was a crappy husband---I think it's a little too little and a little too late to flesh the character out but at least there was that info. Pretty uneventful really.
you could always just stop watching....
prepaid but I think this will be my last season. With the cancel of House of Cards and Longmire over there's little to watch --- seeing I still have Game of thrones it's getting rather thin in TV for me. Oh well -- that's why we are gamers.
Wow! The show's ratings are almost in free fall now with the last episode getting the worst ratings since season 2's finale.
I wonder if it's too much zombie overkill with FtWD and other zombie related shows?
TWD's ratings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_(TV_series)#Ratings)
There was much I really enjoyed about the last episode....Carol's scenes especially. Melissa McBride has some serious, serious acting chops and is head and shoulders above anyone else in the cast. In a lot of ways I thought it was one of the stronger episodes of this season, staying true to each character (something TWD doesn't always manage). And then there is Rick. Seriously (and if you've seen the previews of next week, it only reinforces this) you have to ask yourself why anyone is following Rick at this point. He started the war with the Saviors (by murdering people in their sleep who, to that point, had done nothing to his group) he gave away all their weapons, and now he walks into an enemy camp? With Polaroids? Ummm.....Rick? What exactly did you think was gonna happen? No doubt next week will show it is all a part of a plan, but it's a stupid plan, Rick!
And whatever writer created these junkyard people belongs in the Jar-Jar Binks Hall of Shame. Listen, producers....it was a mistake! Better to pretend they don't exist than double-down by including them in at least two more episodes. Kill. Them. Off. Listen, I'm not ready to walk away from TWD because I still care about the characters, I'm invested in them and I want to hear their stories. Like Sons of Anarchy, which sometimes went through contortions for dramatic license, the individual parts of TWD are often greater than the whole. Despite all this, it remains a favorite and must-watch program. But it could be sooo much better.
^I'm with him.
I'm on the fence. I missed the last two episodes and now with Vikings, Knightfall, Marco Polo and other shows in my queue I'm not sure if I will go back so quickly. Which kinda sucks because I put a lot of time in to this show. I dunno...
I hear ya on rick but as of the last episode it looks like daryl is about to take all the plans off the tracks and do something stupid.....again. which likely will allow Negan to continue on...and on....and on
Zoom a week. look above. I guessed it. All you need to know.
Nah, I think Negan's reign will soon come to an end. But Darryl's decision to do his own thing did not turn out well, which may bring him and Rick into a conflict in which only one of them emerges.
I don't see TWD without both Rick and Daryl.
This past week's episode was the best of this half-season.
Quote from: Gusington on December 06, 2017, 08:23:23 AM
I don't see TWD without both Rick and Daryl.
This past week's episode was the best of this half-season.
Agreed. And who would've thought an episode focused on Eugene would work so well?
A couple of times there I thought Eugene was going to get his head smashed in.
You have to remember Darabount ain't around. it's gillian...and for the big plot gillian follows the comic. And if he doesn't there's always a nod to it. The last episode for example--there's a scene where Rick passes a group of zombies munching on one hanging with his foot caught in the runs of a ladder. That is in fact how gabriel get's killed in the comic...he slips and his ankle gets broke hanging on the ladder and he can't get lose- here though Gabriel get's the infection- which is also a comic plot point. It's not a walker infection, just a nasty one they now carry that will still kill you. Then there's the line "I believe in Rick Grimes". it didn't have the same impact here because a lower tier character utters it -- in the comic that's Maggie's line.
But the last episode surely looks like they are setting up the comic scene...if rick and negan end up facing this horde and rick says..."we can fight them together" Negan ain't dying. I could say more but I won't spoil it. But I have noticed unlike Darabount--Gillian is kinda lost without the comic. We can thank Darabount for a badass Carol--where the comic is always was meek and comitted suicide way back at the prison. Darabount swang far from it. Gillian basically follows it with small changes here and there. But i suspect if Darabount was still around so would Glen and abraham be- and this basic plot---which would have worked better if they had a scene explaining rick's plan--which is pretty simple..."we're box them in with a horde then i'll go get the trash people and we make them surrender" looked convoluted by all the time jumps and filler - to the point the first 5 episodes had everyone clueless- when in fact that awful simple plan could have been carried out in a single episode.
As a mid season final this has to top the list as the absolute worse. Scott Gimble simply has to go, along with his team of writers.
the final has so many WTF moments i'm not sure i could list them all, and these aren't the "Wow WTF! I totally didn't see that coming"...but rather "WTF! Didn't the writers watch last week's episode?"
The big Kill is Carl-- and everyone isn't surprised as the RL actor behind the scenes.- Chandler Riggs' own father who wrote on Facebook that he never trusted Gimple to begin with.
"Watching Gimple fire my son 2 weeks before his 18th birthday after telling him they wanted him for the next three years was disappointing," -- The last moment decision 'was to tighten what's to com" as if all of a sudden the writing counts. well -too bad they didn't try a little harder for this episode. Maggie and the Hilltop army are driving in the middle of the night to the Sanctuary to join up with Rick and everybody else and demand the Saviors' surrender. Why are they driving at night at all you ask? Don't know. Neither do the actors. worse. Nor the writers. So there they all are, guns primed on their way to war. However simon show up. Does anyone jump out to fight...uh no. They just give up with a wimper. Why? Don't know. Looked evenly matched to me. Besides, didn't negan tell Eugene they were out of bullets last episode and he needed to make some?. that's just amazing how fast they sprung back fully loaded. So simon shoots someone named Neil....whatever...and let's them go. yeah--another WTF .
So the Saviors miraculously coordinated a counter-offensive within hours of Daryl's misguided assault on the Sanctuary. Rick get betrayed yet again by the Trash people, Carl helps everyone retreat and Maggie continues to be the opposite of pregnant while the only offense we see at all is Daryl's ambush-- which is helped by Dwight.
In the end during the big reveal on carl---most was "Oh"...not the "oh...your dying" but rather..."Oh...so that's what all those seemingly pointless flashback scenes were about". Come Febuary will anyone care enough to watch?
Yeah, the last episode was a mess of confusing plot lines. The flashbacks are getting annoying. The plot of the war is ridiculous. I agree about the Maggie and Jesus part of the battle - that just didn't make a lot of sense ("oh no - there's a tree in the road - we'll just stop here and wait for the ambush").
One reason I don't think I'll watch it when it resumes next year is that when Carl dies it will take up a lot of time, and they will drag out the scenes with Rick looking intensely forlorn and emotional and mad and overwrought with Michone at his side. Then he'll make some speech or something or get introspective. I don't think I will be able to stay awake when that happens.
I read the actor is scheduled for one more episode--so he'll be the focus of the opening episode this Febuary. the king was captured so we can expect something on that as well as Dwight's fate now that he has been exposed as the fink and Rick's crew is looking for revenge.
Seriously though the production quality has taken such a nose dive. The whole last episode was in the dark--the explosions simply way rediculously over the top. what was Negan logging in-napalm? All the film art attempts, flashbacks, close up shots, and everything else just brings things down. But what's worse is the abundance of rediclous characters brung over from the comic. Quite seriously what makes the TV version better is it's not the comic--there was a layer of believable drama surrounding the characters and their survival. The show is no longer about that. We get characters like the trash People, The King, Amazon women with no men, and Eugene----no one...but no one talks like Eugene. Throw in Gillian's ninja crap--like carl's disappearing act with the smoke grenade--and we're now watching Monty Phython in the Zombie end of the world...and good tv....apocalypse.
There are those that wish people like me would stop watching and stop complaining. I reject that as it makes no sense. Criticizing the show is the only hope they'll read all of it and improve. The alternative is to just let the fanboiys oh and ah about how great it is as things continue to spiral into the sewer. As the ratings plumet so will AMC's support. And the show is no more.
They were shooting M79 grenade launcher w/ 40mm grenades.
probably because the m79 is a 40mm launcher.... :bd:
I understand your confusion about anything under 120mm.
funniest comment section ever
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The reason I asked if it was napalm is because if you pay attention when a house goes up in flame it doesn't just start from a place of impact...like a corner room, but the whole house. Not just the whole first floor but the whole house...first and second floor. Fire shoots out from every window. Those are some magical 40mm shells!
My favorite is how Negan is the first out of the truck and just walks into enemy territory. I mean, how many times could they have just shot him and be done with it? :D
Quote from: ghostryder on December 13, 2017, 08:08:59 AM
LOL.
The reason I asked if it was napalm is because if you pay attention when a house goes up in flame it doesn't just start from a place of impact...like a corner room, but the whole house. Not just the whole first floor but the whole house...first and second floor. Fire shoots out from every window. Those are some magical 40mm shells!
How often have you ever seen realistic munitions in a TV show or movie? Ever?
Quote from: bbmike on December 13, 2017, 08:48:43 AMI mean, how many times could they have just shot him and be done with it? :D
about 5-6 times so far, including the initial assault on the sanctuary
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 13, 2017, 09:18:27 AM
How often have you ever seen realistic munitions in a TV show or movie? Ever?
The A-Team.
Galactica '80.
Yeah. That too.
Quote from: bbmike on December 13, 2017, 08:48:43 AM
My favorite is how Negan is the first out of the truck and just walks into enemy territory. I mean, how many times could they have just shot him and be done with it? :D
Yeah, and how Negan decides to fight Rick 1-on-1. You'd think Negan would have a half-dozen thugs with him, but no -- he fights him by himself. Or that Negan would waste so much of his time waiting for Rick in the house when it wasn't even a sure thing that Rick would return to the house.
Quote from: mirth on December 13, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 13, 2017, 09:18:27 AM
How often have you ever seen realistic munitions in a TV show or movie? Ever?
The A-Team.
I think the first movie i remember was 'Heat'. Al Pacino was the cop and Robert de niro the crook. There was a scene after a bank robbery and Pacino is exchanging gunfire with the robbers on the street amongst traffic. the semi autos shot like semi-autos but more importantly the cars weren't exploding left and right...another hollywood thing about cars getting shot. After that it got more common but still rare, but generally most war movies after that got it. saving private Ryan, Band of Brothers...etc.
Some TV shows get the gunplay correctly. Micheal Mann has a good reputation for getting it right.
That gunfight in Heat is one of the best ever.
I also don't understand how someone, anyone, hasn't taken out Negan with a shot to the head yet...not sure if I will continue watching in February.
Well since Rick and everybody ends up in the sewer....quite literally I think at this point all that needs to happen is Negan's people Flush their toilets ....every toilet....1.....2.....3.......! :hide:
^lol. And that's another thing. Wouldn't someone notice all of the large, convenient sewer openings around and think, "hmm, maybe they went down there"?