Jesus,
Someone actually wasted a couple of hours of their life making that drivel ?
The production values could have been higher but it more than covered my gripes.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 04:24:09 AM
Jesus,
Someone actually wasted a couple of hours of their life making that drivel ?
I thought it made its point quite clearly.
I was hoping it would mention a sale to celibrate the anniversary :'(.
Funny. Sad but funny. Has it REALLY been 20 years? Damn! I gotta finish one campaign of CMBN at least before I die.
Quote from: Bardolph on November 24, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 04:24:09 AM
Jesus,
Someone actually wasted a couple of hours of their life making that drivel ?
I thought it made its point quite clearly.
Well I could pull it apart line by line but other than a lot of bitching about not getting everything for nothing couldn't see any point to it. And posted by someone whos agenda is boringly familiar.
FFS its not even funny. there is nothing so unfunny as someone who quite smugly thinks they are being but failing spectacularly.
It's a little funny.
Quote from: mirth on November 24, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
It's a little funny.
But its one joke .. Why didn't I get the whole war with every nation and vehicle - even the Brazilian Expeditionary, force for 30 bucks ? :clap:
Each to their own I guess.
Just some Saddo whos never produced a game in his life talking a load of crap about those who have.
I wasn't really paying attention to that part. I focused on the part about the ridiculous DRM that has required me to start at least 3 helpdesk tickets since the initial release of CMBN, just to play the games that I paid for. I don't care how friendly they are. I shouldn't have to be talking to them! Certainly not in the age of Steam and plenty of other distribution platforms that are almost as convenient.
Is that the "boringly familiar agenda" you were referring to?
Lllllllllllaaaaaaaddddddies and gentlemen.........
Rrrrrrrrrround 2 of the battlefront title fight......
Fanboyyyyyyyy vs haterrrrrrr
Llllllllllllllets get rrrrrrrrready to rrrrrrrrrumble
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Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: mirth on November 24, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
It's a little funny.
Just some Saddo whos never produced a game in his life talking a load of crap about those who have.
Don't know why you would have to produce a game to have a valid opinion. I'm not involved in building houses or in the making of anything currently in my house. Doesn't mean I shouldn't have an opinion on any of those things. I can't say whether I agree or disagree with his opinion since I only played the original CM but if you want to exclude those not involved in making these games then you should exclude 99% of the critical messages on these forums.
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 24, 2017, 01:21:10 PM
Lllllllllllaaaaaaaddddddies and gentlemen.........
Rrrrrrrrrround 2,000,000,000 of the battlefront title fight......
Fanboyyyyyyyy vs haterrrrrrr
Llllllllllllllets get rrrrrrrrready to rrrrrrrrrumble
ftfy
Seems about right mirth
Maybe it'll get settled this time :uglystupid2:
These things take time young mirth
There are traditions to uphold
The gauntlet is thrown, next there should be pricing, drm, graphics, a small company can only do so much, Steve grammont, the forums, updates not been updates and price gouging - then and only then can we move onto the next level
But what is the next level.... actual game play criticism?
Can't we just skip to the hugs?
Hugs are for commies.
how about a sale - i'd like me some italians... hmmm, pasta! :D
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Quote from: Barthheart on November 24, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
But what is the next level.... actual game play criticism?
Typing in capitals whilst arguing it's not as good as it used to be
Quote from: chemkid on November 24, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
how about a sale - i'd like me some italians... hmmm, pasta! :D
Only if there is a water boiling DRM for the pasta....
Quote from: Ubercat on November 24, 2017, 01:01:14 PM
I wasn't really paying attention to that part. I focused on the part about the ridiculous DRM that has required me to start at least 3 helpdesk tickets since the initial release of CMBN, just to play the games that I paid for. I don't care how friendly they are. I shouldn't have to be talking to them! Certainly not in the age of Steam and plenty of other distribution platforms that are almost as convenient.
Is that the "boringly familiar agenda" you were referring to?
It wasn't your agenda I was reffering to so take a chill pill. If you know dorosh he's been banging his drum for a decade.
Personally never had an issue with the DRM so not a point I can argue on or have any interest in.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 01:47:32 PM
It wasn't your agenda I was reffering to so take a chill pill.
Oh that'll settle things down.
Quote from: undercovergeek on November 24, 2017, 01:45:34 PM
Typing in capitals whilst arguing it's not as good as it used to be
YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!!!
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 01:47:32 PM
It wasn't your agenda I was reffering to so take a chill pill. If you know dorosh
Don't pretend that *you* do, dearie.
Quotehe's been banging his drum for a decade.
Two decades, you need to pay closer attention. :-)
QuotePersonally never had an issue with the DRM so not a point I can argue on or have any interest in.
I don't have an issue with the DRM either. I have Shock Force, Normandy, Red Thunder, Fortress Italy, Black Sea and Final Blitzkrieg, all have worked flawlessly for me. That doesn't make me blind to the buzz in the community, though, or unable to find humour in some of the discussions.
Quote from: MC on November 24, 2017, 01:28:57 PM
Don't know why you would have to produce a game to have a valid opinion. I'm not involved in building houses or in the making of anything currently in my house. Doesn't mean I shouldn't have an opinion on any of those things. I can't say whether I agree or disagree with his opinion since I only played the original CM but if you want to exclude those not involved in making these games then you should exclude 99% of the critical messages on these forums.
Well said. And naturally, if "Zulu1966" likes a game, any critical observation or humorous aside regarding it must also be ruthlessly deleted, since he is obviously right, and everyone else is just as obviously wrong.
To be clear, the video offers no opinion and gives no advice on whether anyone should buy CM. BFC has been very good about providing full-featured demos for their products. I gave up on trying to tell people what flavor of ice cream they are "supposed" to like a long time ago.
Who brought the popcorn?
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I knew I could count on you.
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on November 24, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 01:47:32 PM
It wasn't your agenda I was reffering to so take a chill pill. If you know dorosh
Don't pretend that *you* do, dearie.
Quotehe's been banging his drum for a decade.
Two decades, you need to pay closer attention. :-)
QuotePersonally never had an issue with the DRM so not a point I can argue on or have any interest in.
I don't have an issue with the DRM either. I have Shock Force, Normandy, Red Thunder, Fortress Italy, Black Sea and Final Blitzkrieg, all have worked flawlessly for me. That doesn't make me blind to the buzz in the community, though, or unable to find humour in some of the discussions.
So ... LOL... go on tell us ... who made the video ? Only one thing worse than what I said earlier about someone trying to be funny and clever and failing ... and thats someone who laughs at their own joke ...
Quote from: Zulu1966 on November 24, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
So ... LOL... go on tell us ... who made the video ? Only one thing worse than what I said earlier about someone trying to be funny and clever and failing ... and thats someone who laughs at their own joke ...
Not to worry, you're off the hook. One has to be capable of recognizing humour in order to appreciate it and after years of enduring your dim-sighted commentary here, that is a standard no one would dream of holding you to.
mirth, I hope that's butter and salt on the popcorn, but save some for the big game on Sunday, hmm?
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on November 24, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
mirth, I hope that's butter and salt on the popcorn
Of course, I'm not a stinkin' Commie.
Quote from: mirth on November 24, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on November 24, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
mirth, I hope that's butter and salt on the popcorn
Of course, I'm not a stinkin' Commie.
Ahem...
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Cracker Jack is a commie plot to destroy America!
I thought that was his brother Porkrind Joe?
Porkrind was a Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Elephant_Popcorn
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This was always my fav
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See?! Pinko Commie popcorn!
Quote from: mirth on November 24, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
Cracker Jack is a commie plot to destroy America!
Fuck you, America-hating Russian deep-cover troll. There's nothing more 'Murican than being
in the f'n' song we sing during the 7th-inning stretch of America's Game™
WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM?!!!
Hey that's a sailor on the cracker jack box. Cool!
And is just me, or does it look like that elephant is taking a dump?
You're just realizing that about the CrackerJack guy?
Quote from: mirth on November 24, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
See?! Pinko Commie popcorn!
It's a Canadian thing, no doubt.
I guess I might have known it...I'm not sure. Aren't cracker jacks the one that has a prize in it?
There was a prize. The Republican Tax plan cuts it.
And gives it to the corporations?
They're people too.
Quote from: Toonces on November 24, 2017, 04:43:19 PM
Hey that's a sailor on the cracker jack box. Cool!
And is just me, or does it look like that elephant is taking a dump?
That might explain the color :-"
Quote from: Toonces on November 24, 2017, 04:43:19 PM
And is just me, or does it look like that elephant is taking a dump?
There are therapists for the poop obsessed
Quote from: fabius on November 24, 2017, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Toonces on November 24, 2017, 04:43:19 PM
And is just me, or does it look like that elephant is taking a dump?
There are therapists for the poop obsessed
Gus, please take note.
Oh - can we get back to the Neverending Story that is Combat Mission?
Trust me, you're going to learn more new stuff with the BS Gus and Mirth show in this thread than you ever will with the ongoing Combat Mission penis contest.
^now that is some wisdom
Quote from: Toonces on November 24, 2017, 04:43:19 PMAnd is just me, or does it look like that elephant is taking a dump?
that's where the popcorn comes from....
Quote from: mirth on November 24, 2017, 04:49:47 PMYou're just realizing that about the CrackerJack guy?
give him a break; he's still figuring out New England winters suck
This thread would make a great Combat Mission Campaign to fight through. Only thing is..... which side to choose???? :peace:
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 25, 2017, 12:19:20 AM
Only thing is..... which side to choose? ??? :peace:
doesn't matter. It always goes like this.
<== Is CM fanboi.
It is a tribute to just how great CM is that a) it's been around for 20 years and b) it inspires this sort of weird.
Video ;D ;D ;D ;D of 5
Thread ;D ;D ;D of 5
:bd:
Quote from: Toonces on November 24, 2017, 06:46:53 PM
Trust me, you're going to learn more new stuff with the BS Gus and Mirth show in this thread than you ever will with the ongoing Combat Mission penis contest.
That seems like an odd choice for the next expansion, but I guess they know what will sell. :idiot2:
Quote from: Cyrano on November 25, 2017, 12:10:21 PM
<== Is CM fanboi.
It is a tribute to just how great CM is that a) it's been around for 20 years and b) it inspires this sort of weird.
I prefer the hate directed at Rome II. That was truly baffling. A high point in pure hate. The hate directed at CM is pretty thin and watery compared to the full-strength hate that Rome II could have sent its way.
Put me down as a fanoi of most games.
^ In a world where FoGII exists I no longer need R2:TW, but I wonder if anyone's gone so far as to commit its sins, whatever they might be, to video...
^ Man, them's fightin' words!
Seriously, though, I was all about ready to buy FOG 2 but decided to watch some gameplay videos online first. All I could think was, "Wow, why in the world would I play this when I've got Rome 2?"
Quote from: Cyrano on November 26, 2017, 10:53:27 PM
^ In a world where FoGII exists I no longer need R2:TW, but I wonder if anyone's gone so far as to commit its sins, whatever they might be, to video...
There was so much wonderous hate that it was poured out in many a haar-haar-haar-ing video by screamin' Abe and Howling Haar-haar- Howie and so on. "And look at this...trees! Those are Trees! They look upside down! or are they little clouds? I can't tell. Haar-haar-haar."
Really, I've never seen anything quite like it. And I like FOGII and Rome II both, of course.
Quote from: Toonces on November 27, 2017, 07:19:44 AM
^ Man, them's fightin' words!
Seriously, though, I was all about ready to buy FOG 2 but decided to watch some gameplay videos online first. All I could think was, "Wow, why in the world would I play this when I've got Rome 2?"
Mutually exclusive. FoGII has no map campaign but some like the the battles of FoGII better (covers more armies and eras)
Courses entirely for horses, but, as an MP game, the battles in Rome simply aren't capable of giving me the same experience as FoGII. Their pace, rhythm, and interactions have been poor since Rome I, despite all my attempts to love them.
No one with eyes disputes that Rome's the better looking game, but FoGII is good looking enough for my needs and the wargame it gives is unequaled in the era. It's the only credible successor to the Great Battles games released by Interactive Magic.
Quote from: Cyrano on November 27, 2017, 09:45:30 PM
Courses entirely for horses, but, as an MP game, the battles in Rome simply aren't capable of giving me the same experience as FoGII. Their pace, rhythm, and interactions have been poor since Rome I, despite all my attempts to love them.
No one with eyes disputes that Rome's the better looking game, but FoGII is good looking enough for my needs and the wargame it gives is unequaled in the era. It's the only credible successor to the Great Battles games released by Interactive Magic.
I didn't think of comparing FOGII to RomeII. I've been mentally tallying it against the Hoplite Board game. I think FOGII is a more convincing hoplite game. The campaign I accidently started in FOGII with Umbrian Hoplites is very neato (and the Samnites just joined up with their swordsmen -- unexpected and very neato).
Quote from: MengJiao on November 27, 2017, 05:01:29 PM
Quote from: Cyrano on November 26, 2017, 10:53:27 PM
^ In a world where FoGII exists I no longer need R2:TW, but I wonder if anyone's gone so far as to commit its sins, whatever they might be, to video...
There was so much wonderous hate that it was poured out in many a haar-haar-haar-ing video by screamin' Abe and Howling Haar-haar- Howie and so on. "And look at this...trees! Those are Trees! They look upside down! or are they little clouds? I can't tell. Haar-haar-haar."
Really, I've never seen anything quite like it. And I like FOGII and Rome II both, of course.
It still goes on - for all they did for Rome 2 and all the good work with warhammer if you posted a 'new tw game coming' in certain places you'd still get 'hurrrr hurrrr do they still not climb ladders to get to your settlements'
Well done for that you total war Hermann because one ever fixed rome 2 in the last 10 years
Quote from: Cyrano on November 25, 2017, 12:10:21 PM
<== Is CM fanboi.
It is a tribute to just how great CM is that a) it's been around for 20 years and b) it inspires this sort of weird.
I'm offended that I wasn't mentioned!
It is a tribute to CM that it inspires this kind of Elvis ;)?
Quote from: Cyrano on December 14, 2017, 10:19:01 PM
It is a tribute to CM that it inspires this kind of Elvis ;)?
Hee hee.....sorry.... I meant the video...not the post.
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 24, 2017, 11:02:13 AM
Funny. Sad but funny. Has it REALLY been 20 years? Damn! I gotta finish one campaign of CMBN at least before I die.
No, it hasn't. I remember damned well when Combat Mission came out. I had 3 months off between taking the bar and starting my 1st lawyer job, and praise the lord, my mail-order copy of CM1 was sitting on my doorstep my first morning off! That was approximately June 2000.
Quote from: glen55 on December 15, 2017, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 24, 2017, 11:02:13 AM
Funny. Sad but funny. Has it REALLY been 20 years? Damn! I gotta finish one campaign of CMBN at least before I die.
No, it hasn't. I remember damned well when Combat Mission came out. I had 3 months off between taking the bar and starting my 1st lawyer job, and praise the lord, my mail-order copy of CM1 was sitting on my doorstep my first morning off! That was approximately June 2000.
That was when the first full version was released to the public. A "public beta" demo was released in the fall of '99. It might have been as long as a year before that when Moon and Fionn made an Alpha AAR with screenshots and descriptions. That still doesn't get things back to '97 but it's getting close. Dorosh likes to track these kinds of things so he probably remembers earlier stuff than I do.
I played that demo so long ago and immediately fell in love with the game. :smitten: And it fell in love with kicking my ass on a regular basis. Twenty years of my being a battered spouse.
I found my CMBB and CMAK disks, strategy guide, manual and companion book yesterday when sifting through my items at the attic.
There is snow outside right now and I am pretty sure there was snow when I first played CM ever. Nostalgia hit me with a sledgehammer there. All those mods I found a few days later, oh my!
The game could be transformed in a complete winter themed version. Awesome!
Looking at CMRT now its awesome to see where the games have come!
I was always very proud that my forum number was <200.
No, that demo shattered my head. Times and technology change so much, but I find it hard to imagine any game having an effect on me like CM:BO did.
I was there early. I remember that AAR and being completely blown away. 3-D Half tracks traveling down that snow covered road taking evasive action. No other game captivated me like it. So incredibly groundbreaking. I must have played the Beta Demo 300 times before the release.
Sadly though, my enthusiasm has waned and CM no longer is anything that excites me, whatever iteration. These days I prefer Graviteam Tactics. It's realism, beauty, and immersion in this genre is second to none these days imo. When I think of CM, I remember it as a girl I once was crazy about that now does nothing for me. I have grown and she has aged not so good. Memories are all that is left. Good memories but, memories just the same.
I loved Cmbb, however, all the updates for the other games has turned me off. I'll stay with Steam and Matrix games.
I thought CMBB was the pick of that litter too. My all time favorite late East Front game with so many great battles included. A superb effort.
Say what you will about Battlefront and the current state of things, CMBB is one of the greatest computer wargames of all time.
Damn straight. And the Russian tanks had actual red stars on them. :o
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 18, 2017, 11:50:31 PM
Damn straight. And the Russian tanks had actual red stars on them. :o
Back when the women were strong, the men were good-looking and all the children above average.
Loved the first two. I got the demo from the PC Gamer disk and played it 300 times. And then my interest waned. I hardly played the last one I bought.
I moved on but I still have fond memories.
The original with the scenarios, especially meeting engagements was wonderful.
And Cracker Jack is evil. Nothing is harder to extract from your back teeth. That stuff is a combo of superglue and cement between your teeth.
Are you sure you're not eating the prize instead of the Jacks?
Quote from: mirth on December 18, 2017, 11:39:21 PM
Say what you will about Battlefront and the current state of things, CMBB is one of the greatest computer wargames of all time.
Absolutely. Those guys redefined the genre. I have no animosity towards Battlefront unlike others here. I just never got into the CM2 engine and today I'm just not sure I like to micromanage as much as I used to. GT:MF, while a completely different beast with its own shortcomings, has done some unique and groundbreaking things themselves.
Quote from: Cyrano on December 16, 2017, 09:54:42 PM
I was always very proud that my forum number was <200.
No, that demo shattered my head. Times and technology change so much, but I find it hard to imagine any game having an effect on me like CM:BO did.
I think I was #64 or somefink like that. It was what I'd always dreamed of....ASL without needing to consult the rule book.......
Me too. And I'll never forget nearly peeing my pants laughing the first time I heard the Americans yell, "Let's get the hell outta here" as a Tiger tank approaches. :DD
Joined in late 99, but had been keeping an eye on it since the "Computer ASL" days. The demo blew my mind. Bought multiple copies of all three of the original Combat Mission games and gave them to my wargaming buddies. Haven't bought a thing since they went to the DRM scheme.
Quote from: Bardolph on December 22, 2017, 03:48:12 AM
Joined in late 99, but had been keeping an eye on it since the "Computer ASL" days. The demo blew my mind. Bought multiple copies of all three of the original Combat Mission games and gave them to my wargaming buddies. Haven't bought a thing since they went to the DRM scheme.
Just for kicks you should download the 3 WW2 demos. They're free, you don't need the DRM and you can get a lot of replay out of them. Hours and hours of game play without spending a penny. Play'em until you feel you've had your fill or decide you don't like the engine and then move along.
Quote from: Elvis on December 15, 2017, 03:31:17 PM
That was when the first full version was released to the public. A "public beta" demo was released in the fall of '99. It might have been as long as a year before that when Moon and Fionn made an Alpha AAR with screenshots and descriptions. That still doesn't get things back to '97 but it's getting close. Dorosh likes to track these kinds of things so he probably remembers earlier stuff than I do.
I was a late comer, my forum number had 4 or 5 digits IIRC. I heard about the game from someone posting at my canadiansoldiers.com website's forum, and downloaded the demo to take a look. I was too dense to 'get' what I had to do in the demo, and actually deleted it. Something possessed me to go back and try a second time a few months later and I was hooked. The original games were extremely elegant, and you could get a great deal out of the engine (random maps, random battles, decent equipment and force matchups with array of different equipment etc.) with amazingly little work.
The new engine - they're trying hard, and some of that original magic is there. I'm very impressed with the number of quick battle maps that ship with new titles; they're consistently interesting and of high quality. Just seems like they're chasing a bunch of different directions at once now - upgrade the engine, incorporate old features that never made it into the new code, introduce new theatres (families), bring all the original nationalities from the World War II titles into those families. It's certainly ambitious. It's much harder for the fan community to contribute, though because the scenario building process is more labour intensive (you could select a random map in CMX1 and then tweak it and have something perfectly usable - in CMX2, you have to literally place every tree, shrub and rock on the map).
Always going to be hard for a sequel to outdo the original. CM probably comes the closest of any of the games I was familiar with - the oldies like M1TP, Red Baron, etc., all suffered when rebooted.