I don't know if there was already a topic about it, but if so I couldn't find it.
Looks like Slitherine finally revealed some info:
http://slitherine.com/news/2647/Panzer.Corps.2.-.Dev.Diary.#1
Panzer Corps 2: All Your Moneys Are Belong To Us
>:D
Thanks for posting - I did not know this was on its way. And using the Unreal engine too! I like the sound of the new features as well, especially overrun and splitting units. Looking forward to this.
The official site for
Panzer Corps 2 (http://flashback.games/panzer-corps-2/)?
Sounds interesting.
But I've already spent too much $$$ on the first one! :D
Love the look of the new maps and units. I hope this is a real winner. Played the hell out of PG 1 back in the day on my..... 3DO system, remember it? :hide:
Although the scale may be different, the screenshots look a lot like the "Order of Battle" games from Matrix.
I know it may be a ways out, but I'm holding out for Steel Tigers. \m/
I also thought it looked like Order of Battle, Rayfer. Which is a good thing 😎
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.matrixgames.com%2Famazon%2FScreenshots%2FPanzer%2520Corps%25202%2F03.png&hash=944dba589a14a6142abbe74aed90ed7386975d8b)
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.matrixgames.com%2Famazon%2FScreenshots%2FPanzer%2520Corps%25202%2F04.png&hash=070085222d1d53e26c7c68f30e5851dbbc261968)
Damn, that looks pretty slick
I agree - wow.
Looks like PG 3 Scorched earth. My best whishes. Hope PC2 will be more sucessful.
My favorite series and game of all time.
besides looking prettier, any more enhancements expected?
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 05, 2019, 07:41:50 PM
besides looking prettier, any more enhancements expected?
I guess this is my primary reservation about Panzer Corps 2. The game is undoubtedly beautiful, judging by the screenies, but how is this sequel improving on the original (which was itself a pretty uninspired copy & paste of the original Panzer General / Pz General 2... and uncharitably, I'd say the same about Order of Battle...).
To me, the WW2 strategy game that really nails the sweet spot between accessibility and depth is the criminally underrated Unity of Command. I'm really looking forward to Unity of Command 2 -- one can immediately see how this sequel is taking the already excellent original to a new level: https://unityofcommand.net/blog/2018/12/13/developer-diary-19/#more-2710 (https://unityofcommand.net/blog/2018/12/13/developer-diary-19/#more-2710) Can't wait for this one.
1. Unity of Command is an amazing game and gets so many things right. I am looking forward to their next release.
2. I'm really hoping that we can go beyond WW2 with these games. Is PzC 2 just going to remake all of their campaigns over? Between Order of Battle and PzC, there's not much we haven't seen. Would be nice to see some other modern conflict.
I agree. Looking forward to unity of command but Panzer corps while fun never really grabbed me. I do wish unity of command was WEGO as usual though. Otherwise you get to wait and see into the future one turn for free.
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on January 05, 2019, 10:07:31 PM
1. Unity of Command is an amazing game and gets so many things right. I am looking forward to their next release.
2. I'm really hoping that we can go beyond WW2 with these games. Is PzC 2 just going to remake all of their campaigns over? Between Order of Battle and PzC, there's not much we haven't seen. Would be nice to see some other modern conflict.
This was my concern too....they just reskinning and then you have to buy everything again. However, if it advances like Field of Glory did, maybe justifiable then.
Quote from: sandman2575 on January 05, 2019, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 05, 2019, 07:41:50 PM
besides looking prettier, any more enhancements expected?
I guess this is my primary reservation about Panzer Corps 2. The game is undoubtedly beautiful, judging by the screenies, but how is this sequel improving on the original (which was itself a pretty uninspired copy & paste of the original Panzer General / Pz General 2... and uncharitably, I'd say the same about Order of Battle...).
To me, the WW2 strategy game that really nails the sweet spot between accessibility and depth is the criminally underrated Unity of Command. I'm really looking forward to Unity of Command 2 -- one can immediately see how this sequel is taking the already excellent original to a new level: https://unityofcommand.net/blog/2018/12/13/developer-diary-19/#more-2710 (https://unityofcommand.net/blog/2018/12/13/developer-diary-19/#more-2710) Can't wait for this one.
In Order of Battle supply lines are vital. You also cannot field a force mix that is hugely overpowered on armor. Order of Battle also has a good Naval engine, especially for carrier combat. Once OOB came out I stopped playing Panzer Corps. Panzer Corps is pretty much completely beer & pretzels, low end beer and pretzels.
Beer and Pretzels games are fine, are a great way to get people started in the genre, and good for a relaxing relatively thought free wargame. But having supply as a nonexistant issue is a bummer.
For those interested in unity of command, you can pick up the original, expansions, and a steam key for $7.50 at:
https://unityofcommand.net/
My beef with Order of Battle is that it always felt too scripted.
I find it less scripted than a lot of wargames, but to each his own.
I thought the original Order of Battle was too scripted, but I have bought the Panzerkrieg, Soviet-Finnish War and Sino-Japanese War DLCs on sale and am hoping for the best.
Order of Battle has some great features like supply lines and fatigue, but I agree, that the stock missions are very scripted and it ruins the gameplay for me.
I have started messing with the editor and its pretty easy to make a decent coop/sp missions - the AI is actually really good and can easily sting where it hurts, and pull back when necessary.
Shame about the crappy scenario design.
^I have not checked lately, I wonder how many homemade SP scenarios/missions are available.
Quote from: Gusington on January 06, 2019, 04:43:44 PM
^I have not checked lately, I wonder how many homemade SP scenarios/missions are available.
Quite a few http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=374&t=64990
Thanks! :notworthy:
The problem I found with Unity of Command is that the scenarios felt too much like puzzles. Just enough time to do A. If you tried to do B. you ran out of time. They felt like mad rushes instead of a battle of attrition. Other than that I thought it had a superb interface, something easier to accomplish of course for a fairly simple system.
I thought exactly the same thing...I loved the game's slick style and interface but did not like it's puzzle like system.
Quote from: -budd- on January 06, 2019, 04:57:19 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 06, 2019, 04:43:44 PM
^I have not checked lately, I wonder how many homemade SP scenarios/missions are available.
Quite a few http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=374&t=64990
Thank you budd.
ww2 againe and againe and ..........., will never understand it .
Quote from: Micha on January 08, 2019, 03:51:51 AM
ww2 againe and againe and ..........., will never understand it .
You might not but lots of us are happy to revisit it again and again....
Quote from: FlickJax on January 08, 2019, 05:53:00 AM
Quote from: Micha on January 08, 2019, 03:51:51 AM
ww2 againe and againe and ..........., will never understand it .
You might not but lots of us are happy to revisit it again and again....
Yes,in anyway you are rigth. It makes happy, ans thats what is important. ;)
This drastically changes how the game can be played.
Random Scenarios, Random Maps, Co-op mode! :clap:
With this type of replay ability, it's WW2 forever.
http://www.slitherine.com/news/2799/Panzer.Corps.2.-.Dev.Diary.#9
Yeah saw that, looks interesting :)
Though unfortunately it's getting some negative feedback from solo-playing, history-focused players.
Quote from: jomni on March 08, 2019, 04:22:53 AM
Though unfortunately it's getting some negative feedback from solo-playing, history-focused players.
Why do they need to complain... the history is there too ;)
Quote from: jomni on March 08, 2019, 01:41:54 AM
This drastically changes how the game can be played.
Random Scenarios, Random Maps, Co-op mode! :clap:
With this type of replay ability, it's WW2 forever.
http://www.slitherine.com/news/2799/Panzer.Corps.2.-.Dev.Diary.#9
Did you say Random Maps? Wow. I dig.
MG looking for beta testers (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4636620).
I want this game-Now, love Panzer Korps :smitten:
Me too...if they're looking for beta testers now, I'm hoping for a release by the middle/end of summer.
Looks like this comes out next month and they are started preorders on Steam for one of the versions. What I found interesting is then a mod at their forums posted the pricing for all editions....maybe turning over a new leaf in 2020 where Matrix will actually publish all prices ahead of release day?
$39.99 for the Base game
$49.99 for the General Edition
$69.99 for the Field Marshal Edition - but with a 15% pre-order discount.
...and then DLC the living daylights out of everyone! :-"
Tell me. Those Stugs... what do they represent? Just Stugs or some sort of specific unit? Also can units attack along a line at once or only one at a time? For instance if I have a unit surrounded can I have all units attack at once. Co-Ordinated?
IIRC the Field Marshal edition is a season pass, isn't it?
Quote from: Gusington on February 10, 2020, 11:39:42 AM
IIRC the Field Marshal edition is a season pass, isn't it?
Panzer Corps 2 - Field Marshal Edition is the ultimate deluxe edition of Panzer Corps 2, including all the bonus materials from the General Edition plus the first two DLCs.
Ok - so two DLCs out of the expected 500.
They didn't ask me to Beta this one, I will sulk now :)
Quote from: FlickJax on February 11, 2020, 05:49:30 AM
They didn't ask me to Beta this one, I will sulk now :)
Ditto and I've beta Tested Allied Corps too.
Quote from: Destraex on February 10, 2020, 03:40:42 AM
Tell me. Those Stugs... what do they represent? Just Stugs or some sort of specific unit? Also can units attack along a line at once or only one at a time? For instance if I have a unit surrounded can I have all units attack at once. Co-Ordinated?
in my imagination a Panzercorps 2 unit is a very abstract, almost chess like abstraction, of a Kampfgruppe/division compost of invisible sub-units in a way that just those stats and attributes shown are the summation of it.
and then the unit get a graphic symbol (a nice tabletop figurine) that somehow 'rhythms' with that units stats
and a hex is 30-70 klicks and a turn a day or two, or something in that direction?
Destraex, the units attack once at a time, but the neighbors count in, so neighboring/encirclement gives a bonus (called massattack) and recon and engineers as part of the encirclement 'help' in the attack too in special ways. close by artillery next hex helps automatic (also shown in an animation) in the defense of a unit that get attacked, antitank helps against tank-units attacking and a fighter wing provide air-cover against air units.
I like how the air units are handled now, with flying a sortie from an airfield -and btw small airfields cant be home of a large bomber wing- ah i love those little details . and the new overrun feature for really testing blitz-tactics against the opponent.
the preview Lets plays i saw were promising :)
Quotein my imagination a Panzercorps 2 unit is a very abstract, almost chess like abstraction, of a Kampfgruppe/division compost of invisible sub-units
I like the Unity of Command approach: there are only 3 or 4 types of units, but enablers such as artillery and engineers can be assigned to the unit to improve it's combat performance.
Artillery units in PzC always confused me. Not sure what ecehlon they are representing.
Quote from: MikeGER on February 12, 2020, 05:44:52 AM
Quote from: Destraex on February 10, 2020, 03:40:42 AM
Tell me. Those Stugs... what do they represent? Just Stugs or some sort of specific unit? Also can units attack along a line at once or only one at a time? For instance if I have a unit surrounded can I have all units attack at once. Co-Ordinated?
in my imagination a Panzercorps 2 unit is a very abstract, almost chess like abstraction, of a Kampfgruppe/division compost of invisible sub-units in a way that just those stats and attributes shown are the summation of it.
and then the unit get a graphic symbol (a nice tabletop figurine) that somehow 'rhythms' with that units stats
and a hex is 30-70 klicks and a turn a day or two, or something in that direction?
Destraex, the units attack once at a time, but the neighbors count in, so neighboring/encirclement gives a bonus (called massattack) and recon and engineers as part of the encirclement 'help' in the attack too in special ways. close by artillery next hex helps automatic (also shown in an animation) in the defense of a unit that get attacked, antitank helps against tank-units attacking and a fighter wing provide air-cover against air units.
I like how the air units are handled now, with flying a sortie from an airfield -and btw small airfields cant be home of a large bomber wing- ah i love those little details . and the new overrun feature for really testing blitz-tactics against the opponent.
the preview Lets plays i saw were promising :)
I see. So it's a game of massing the most units in close proximity to each other that you want for an attack and then choosing a spearhead unit. Not sure whether I like that approach. It's too abstract. But I can understand from an aesthetics point of view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0LiOuGzk-Po&feature=emb_logo
Sorry forgot how to add you tube vids...
I'm unbelievably hyped for this. Looks like such an awesome improvement over PC1 in every way. At the very least, it'll hold me over until Second Front releases :smitten:
Anyone tried the beta for this yet? I preordered and have it installing now. I do wish they would extend the beta window into the weekend...
Are you allowed to discuss it?
Yeah, it's an open beta for everyone who preordered, no NDA involved. They even invited people in the announcement to post feedback publicly on the forum.
I'm fiddling around in the first invasion of Poland mission and I love it so far. The new UI is a bit minimalist, but I'm slowly finding it to be just as functional as the old game -- and better in some ways, such as being able to mouse over units and see their relevant details.
This beta is almost a complete version of the game?
Full access to the whole singleplayer campaign/scenarios and map editor. :D
But only through the 20th of February. >:(
Wow not a lot of time. Take a sick day and play as much as you can 😇
Quote from: Gusington on February 19, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
Wow not a lot of time. Take a sick day and play as much as you can 😇
Good memories :) in my younger days this was deffo a well used option on release days :coolsmiley:
I think it's always a good option for worthy titles!
I may or may not have taken that option today O:-)
Game is fugging great. I have no complaints so far. The only thing that's a bit wonky for me so far is the new air system, though I like the changes overall. Aircraft are always automatically recalled to airfields after the enemy's turn (once they have a chance to intercept/etc.), so you have to spend a turn "rebasing" them if you want to move them forward. Strategic bombers can't be based out of dirt airstrips, only proper airfields. It still feels nice and beer-n-pretzels, but adds an interesting dynamic to committing your air planning that didn't exist before. i.e., you can't just have a fighter skim the edge of its fuel-line and skirt around the map distracting the enemy while your important bombers go back to refuel/rearm.
Oh, and the 3D graphics are a bit.... hard on the eyes at times. I find the game to be busier than PC1, even with some graphics settings turned down.
Honestly, I don't see myself wanting to go back to previous iterations after sinking my teeth into the campaign here. Which is a shame, because the mean devs are taking my toy away from me and making me wait until March to play with it again :'( :pullhair:
I found the previous incarnations of this game to frequently be like a puzzle game, where there is a right or only way to do something in order to win, but I thought I read where the devs said PC2 would be less so. Do you have any thoughts on that from the time you've been playing?
However, it didn't stop me from playing and enjoying them.
My impression is that they've done a lot to get around the "puzzle-y" feeling. The General strength/weakness traits you can pick are a good example of this -- some of them are game-changing, like the ones that affect ZOC rules. If you want, you can forego using any of them and just play the game a bit more like classic PC. There's also an option to start your campaign with a fully custom army, so you don't have to be railroaded into a certain unit composition.
Overall, especially with the addition of random scenarios (which I didn't actually get the chance to try), I feel they've done a great job at killing the "puzzle-y" feeling without making the game random to the point of being unpredictable. I think they managed to do the impossible and create a game that appeals to both die-hard PC/PG fans, and people who "wanted to like it" but couldn't get past the puzzle-y feeling.
That being said, you can still play the game "like a puzzle" in the sense that you can restart a scenario over and over until you find the "optimal" solution (unless you're playing Ironman). I did this a couple times to get a better result on the Norway North scenario, and got the impression that the AI was acting "on the fly" rather than playing by a script. But I still found it pretty easy to come away with a swift, nearly lossless victory on my third go. Can't really knock the Norge, of course -- the Finns they are not. :-"
We were talking about Unity of Command being puzzleish a few months ago when the sequel was released and how it is much less so, too.
Quote from: Gusington on February 20, 2020, 02:35:51 PM
We were talking about Unity of Command being puzzleish a few months ago when the sequel was released and how it is much less so, too.
The devs of UoC2 did a great job in that regard too, and I think PC2 is even better. Honestly I don't see myself picking UoC back up for a long while once PC2 drops. :o
Whoa. Strong words!
Thanks for the info, when I get my Matrix anniversary coupon in April I'll probably be picking this and Fantasy General 2 up. Assuming it works for those titles.
Anyone know when they will let us purchase the standard version, comes out on my birthday and wifey gonna buy it for me?
Anyone have the skinny with coop?
I loved Battle Academy 2 and it's cooperative multiplayer scenarios.
Wifey bought for me, now I am actually looking forward to my birthday :)
review
https://www.pcgamer.com/panzer-corps-2-review/
Quote[...] unlike some other wargames—good games, I must stress—Panzer Corps 2 is not a simple 'bigger number is better' situation.
It can suck the fun out of the game at times. Learning and remembering the difference between all of your tank units can be time-consuming, and it can tax the undo button to its limits. Which tank variant is the anti-infantry one, again? Which of these new tank destroyers should I upgrade my outdated unit to use? Will my bomber wing need anti-naval capability in this mission? It takes time. It can feel like a chore when what you're really playing this game for is interesting, in-depth tactical situations.
This quote is quite telling, I must say. It sounds like the reviewer would be find a more fulfilling gaming experience with Candy Crush.
They've been teasing this game for so long. Thursday can't come fast enough.
Quote from: al_infierno on March 15, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
Quote[...] unlike some other wargames—good games, I must stress—Panzer Corps 2 is not a simple 'bigger number is better' situation.
It can suck the fun out of the game at times. Learning and remembering the difference between all of your tank units can be time-consuming, and it can tax the undo button to its limits. Which tank variant is the anti-infantry one, again? Which of these new tank destroyers should I upgrade my outdated unit to use? Will my bomber wing need anti-naval capability in this mission? It takes time. It can feel like a chore when what you're really playing this game for is interesting, in-depth tactical situations.
This quote is quite telling, I must say. It sounds like the reviewer would be find a more fulfilling gaming experience with Candy Crush.
LOL Agreed, they don't always assign the right reviewer to the game :)
I know Jon and in his defence he is a specialist when it comes to strategy game reporting. Maybe not wargames per se, but it's not like it's totally out of his area of expertise. He writes about board games a lot as well.
Slitherine have been pushing a lot of the headline titles in front of mainstream audiences though, and I think Jon speaks more for them, and not say the crowd of Grogheads. We all know there's only one place on the internet suitable to provide you guys with your wargames fix....
Quote from: WargamerJoe on March 16, 2020, 05:44:03 AM
I know Jon and in his defence he is a specialist when it comes to strategy game reporting. Maybe not wargames per se, but it's not like it's totally out of his area of expertise. He writes about board games a lot as well.
Slitherine have been pushing a lot of the headline titles in front of mainstream audiences though, and I think Jon speaks more for them, and not say the crowd of Grogheads. We all know there's only one place on the internet suitable to provide you guys with your wargames fix....
:)
HOW DARE YOU SIR
I didn't think the review was bad overall. That one section was a little odd, but given that's he's probably writing for the general strategy game crowd, and not wargamers, it makes some sense.
Fair enough, I might have been overly harsh in my last comment.
One thing's for sure: I can NOT be any more frigging hyped for the release tomorrow. I'm working from home due a shelter-in-place order in the Bay Area, but it's gonna be really hard for me to resist firing up PC2... :-"
Downloading now.
Will probably refund.
Developer on the steam forums saying that the baseline game is not shipping with any cooperative stuff. Not sure if this is true. I will check.
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on March 19, 2020, 12:00:16 PM
Downloading now.
Will probably refund.
Developer on the steam forums saying that the baseline game is not shipping with any cooperative stuff. Not sure if this is true. I will check.
What do you mean by "cooperative stuff"? The dev said maps can support up to 8 players, so I'm guessing the plan is to support coop at some point. Who knows, though -- it sounds like there won't be any more than 1v1 stuff in the initial release.
EDIT - Looking at the Steam page again, I think I see what you mean. "Online Co-op" is clearly listed in the Steam features -- odd that they include that when it's not in launch.
Originally posted by rudankort on the Steam forums:
QuoteThe game has been designed to allow up to 8 players online simultaneously. But in 1.0 there is little content for anything beyond 2 players online, and it did not get sufficient testing. So, I cannot in all honesty say that 1.0 will have a full fledged support of such playing mode.
However, in the near future you can expect that at least on random maps this will be fully supported, which means you will have a lot of content, even if this content will lack refinement and polish of human designed maps.
This is
horseshit.
QuoteBut in 1.0 there is little content for anything beyond 2 players online
Then don't advertise you're f*cking game as having cooperative multiplayer.
I can sympathize with you there. Did you specifically pick up the game for co-op?
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on March 19, 2020, 12:38:25 PM
Originally posted by rudankort on the Steam forums:
QuoteThe game has been designed to allow up to 8 players online simultaneously. But in 1.0 there is little content for anything beyond 2 players online, and it did not get sufficient testing. So, I cannot in all honesty say that 1.0 will have a full fledged support of such playing mode.
However, in the near future you can expect that at least on random maps this will be fully supported, which means you will have a lot of content, even if this content will lack refinement and polish of human designed maps.
This is horseshit.
QuoteBut in 1.0 there is little content for anything beyond 2 players online
Then don't advertise you're f*cking game as having cooperative multiplayer.
Two-player co-op isn't nothing and technically counts as 'cooperative multiplayer' provided you can play against the AI, but perhaps they should have communicated better the issues they were having with the 'up to eight player' stuff.
That doesn't mean it's not going to happen though, it's just not happening right now.
Dipping my toes, I'm very happy with this release so far. The map editor is quite robust, and includes a wealth of factions not in the base-game including China, Spain, Finland, and all 3 Frances. No units for a lot of these factions yet, but it's cool to see that they clearly intend to eventually encompass all of WW2 - a la ASL or Steel Tigers. O0
The random scenario generator is great, and I love that you can randomize maps in the editor and work from there.
Quote from: WargamerJoe on March 19, 2020, 12:55:41 PM
Two-player co-op isn't nothing and technically counts as 'cooperative multiplayer' provided you can play against the AI, but perhaps they should have communicated better the issues they were having with the 'up to eight player' stuff.
That doesn't mean it's not going to happen though, it's just not happening right now.
There are only
TWO cooperative scenarios.
Unreal. This is the same shit that the developers of Order of Battle pulled. Advertising a cooperative experience, but then only including three scenarios with OOB.
So what's the verdict?
I know I have my anniversary coupon so I might use it on this.
Just wondering General version or Basic?
Sorry but Field Marshall is too rich for my budget right now.
Quote from: CJReich46 on March 19, 2020, 02:16:24 PM
I know I have my anniversary coupon so I might use it on this.
Just wondering General version or Basic?
Sorry but Field Marshall is too rich for my budget right now.
I quite like the skins that come with the General edition, if cosmetic DLC is your thing -- there's lots of great historical camo selections that look awesome. The only other in-game thing you get for the extra $10 is 4 scenarios -- I'm not sure which ones came with the upgrade, and I haven't played them yet, but they seem worthwhile -- for example, a full-scale invasion of Poland map, and a Defense of Berlin level that includes randomized waves of enemies.
^Those bits come with the Field Marshall version?
Quote from: Gusington on March 19, 2020, 02:49:25 PM
^Those bits come with the Field Marshall version?
They come with both upgrade versions. The only extra bonus you get with Field Marshal is future DLC, I believe. Edited my comment to clarify :-"
$29.49 for the General Edition with my anniversary coupon!!! That's less than ordering pizza for the fam and I'll enjoy it a helluva lot longer. Thank you Matrix/Slitherine :bd:
Thanks Al
So I started with Barbarossa 41 in the north. Is it me being the shittiest Panzer General Panzer Corps player ever, or is the campaign insanely fucking difficult? I'm on the second battle and I'm supposed to cap 11 victory hexes - including downtown Leningrad - with the exact same force I barely took the six victory hexes in the Baltics with. And I'm playing on the easiest difficulty.
I don't remember the original PC being anywhere near this difficult.
^ I've only tried the campaign starting in 1939, and so far I've definitely found requisition points to be scarcer than PC1. Nothing too crazy yet, but will weigh in once I've reached 1941 and beyond.
Quote from: Steelgrave on March 19, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
$29.49 for the General Edition with my anniversary coupon!!! That's less than ordering pizza for the fam and I'll enjoy it a helluva lot longer. Thank you Matrix/Slitherine :bd:
I'm a little over 30.00 on the General. So I'm thinking I might go for it. It is payday tomorrow.
Picked it up, couldn't resist. Field Marshall Ed.
Lovely game. The details on the units are wonderful to play with, sounds are great, and yes the campaign seems to be extremely engaging. My perspective goes back to Panzer General, which I still play on occasion. Couldn't be happier with the purchase and, already, can't wait for more.
Quote from: GeneralHawk on March 20, 2020, 07:59:59 AM
Picked it up, couldn't resist. Field Marshall Ed.
Lovely game. The details on the units are wonderful to play with, sounds are great, and yes the campaign seems to be extremely engaging. My perspective goes back to Panzer General, which I still play on occasion. Couldn't be happier with the purchase and, already, can't wait for more.
:)
I think the developers bit off more than they can chew with this, but I hope the game can get some love. It has a ton of promise.
Unfortunately, I am beyond 2hrs of gameplay and cannot refund, or I would. This game is not ready for a release.
-'Online' Multiplayer (new MP feature) doesn't work - results with a crash to desktop whenever players stop playing 'online' and go to PBEM.
-Random Battle Generator - cannot select opponent faction
-MP content is extremely low - game was advertised with 'cooperative' capability but only has 2 scenarios. One of which (Husky) is insanely difficult and not enjoyable.
and a bunch of other stuff that nobody cares about
Wanted to try this but have read in a number of posts that GPU gets pegged near 100% a lot......not a big fan of games that make the GPU run that hot, especially this game where graphics are far less than others.
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on March 20, 2020, 08:51:33 PM
I think the developers bit off more than they can chew with this, but I hope the game can get some love. It has a ton of promise.
Unfortunately, I am beyond 2hrs of gameplay and cannot refund, or I would. This game is not ready for a release.
-'Online' Multiplayer (new MP feature) doesn't work - results with a crash to desktop whenever players stop playing 'online' and go to PBEM.
-Random Battle Generator - cannot select opponent faction
-MP content is extremely low - game was advertised with 'cooperative' capability but only has 2 scenarios. One of which (Husky) is insanely difficult and not enjoyable.
and a bunch of other stuff that nobody cares about
I lost patience with it earlier thankfully so got my refund.
Not a fan of the UI and some of the mechanics just didn't do it for me.
Quote from: devoncop on March 21, 2020, 04:34:56 AM
Quote from: Apocalypse 31 on March 20, 2020, 08:51:33 PM
I think the developers bit off more than they can chew with this, but I hope the game can get some love. It has a ton of promise.
Unfortunately, I am beyond 2hrs of gameplay and cannot refund, or I would. This game is not ready for a release.
-'Online' Multiplayer (new MP feature) doesn't work - results with a crash to desktop whenever players stop playing 'online' and go to PBEM.
-Random Battle Generator - cannot select opponent faction
-MP content is extremely low - game was advertised with 'cooperative' capability but only has 2 scenarios. One of which (Husky) is insanely difficult and not enjoyable.
and a bunch of other stuff that nobody cares about
I lost patience with it earlier thankfully so got my refund.
Not a fan of the UI and some of the mechanics just didn't do it for me.
The UI is annoying.
Gameplay mechanics are lost on me, thusfar. Units seem to have their max force set at 15 now instead of 10 and the combat is somewhat more complicated - units don't die very easily and the AI will reinforce the heck out of stuff, so basically I'm fighting fully reinforced units every turn while my force slowly dwindles and I lose prestige.
Only infantry has max of 15, everything else still has a max of 10.
Combat is certainly more nuanced, but I've been playing on the 3rd & 4th difficulty out of 6 and haven't found it to be all that difficult. You just need to utilize new mechanics like encirclement and massed attacks to dislodge fortified enemies. When AI reinforces a unit, the new steps start out suppressed (just as yours do), giving you the opportunity to reduce the reinforced steps quite easily. You can also force enemy units to surrender if they have nowhere to retreat after getting the hell beat out of them.
The new mechanics add a bit of depth to the blow-by-blow combat, but it's still Panzer Corps at its heart.
EDIT -- I'm also genuinely a bit surprised by the UI complaints - I was pleasantly surprised to find the UI basically exactly the same as the previous game! Different strokes I guess.
I just bought PC2 Field Marshall version (which is advertised as having 4 additional scenarios.) There are 8 scenarios total. Did I miss something?
did a play through of Poland just a while ago:
I did better in Poland South, and by better I still didn't get Kielce in 5 turns. (DANG!!) but the operation was done in 11 turns. Warsaw was done on the 19th turn. Still a slog. Reminds me of how 1939 Warsaw was in the original Panzer General. I would get so close and yet a decisive victory was out of my grasp.
While they removed the decisive victory and marginal from PC1, I did notice if you get the mission done ahead of time you do get a bonus in points for your future unit purchases and upgrades.
RPS review: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/03/27/panzer-corps-2-review/
As much as I'm loving the game, I've gotta agree with Tim's criticisms -- the random scenario generator in particular seems more half-baked the more I try it. I really hope they roll out some improvements on that front quickly.
Quote from: al_infierno on March 27, 2020, 01:47:03 PM
RPS review: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/03/27/panzer-corps-2-review/
As much as I'm loving the game, I've gotta agree with Tim's criticisms -- the random scenario generator in particular seems more half-baked the more I try it. I really hope they roll out some improvements on that front quickly.
It certainly seems like it. Random enemy units placed on victory hexes.
This game has got to be my biggest gaming let down of 2020.
Don't worry it's only March.
I've had to shelve this one.
All it really did was make me reinstall Order of Battle and go back to some campaigns I never tried.
I have a boatload to try in Order of Battle, probably going to try Morning Sun next.
Yeah, I do too.
I don't hate Panzer Corps 2, I just feel it skews way more to the puzzle style.
OOB has it's puzzles too, but I feel like it masks that more effectively than PC2 does.
I like the larger scale, ability to play different sides and scenarios, and even a lot of the mechanics more.
I get it's had years to get more polished. Maybe PC2 will be too in time. I don't regret getting it, but I do feel it's got a long way to go and the improved graphics just aren't enough to take my attention to the more well broken in game.
^That's why I waited on PC2. I really like Order of Battle and there are many good campaigns and scenarios with that polish now. It's come a long way.
In time PC2 will as well. Sometimes I like the puzzle-like nature of these games, sometimes not.
There is something about Order of Battle, Winter War in particular, that kept drawing me back.
The Winter War campaign is one I own and haven't tried.
Might fire it up tonight after beers transition to Scotch.
It's awesome. IIRC there are two campaigns, 1941 and 1944. I finished the earlier one, haven't tried the later one.
I'm always better at strategy and tactical games with a little buzz going.
The PzC 2 game mechanics are just too simplified to enjoy, especially after games like Order of Battle and Unity of Command have refined and introduced things like supply lines, fatigue, command radius, and many other realistic aspects.
PzC2 feels like a children's game
^This.
I still prefer the core systems of PC2 over Unity of Command 2 myself, though it definitely lacks the polish of UoC2 - that aspect alone is commendable imo.
All this talk of Order of Battle got me picking up the Endsieg, Red Star, and Burma Road DLC O0
The OoB DLCs are like potato chips.
Potato Corps?
Quote from: SirAndrewD on March 28, 2020, 07:20:21 PM
All it really did was make me reinstall Order of Battle and go back to some campaigns I never tried.
This is exactly what I did, and it feels great. Uninstalled PzC 2. Maybe another time, but most likely not.
https://www.matrixgames.com/news/panzer-corps-2-axis-operations-dlcs-announced
"Axis Operations" DLCs announced, including Spanish Civil War and "Axis Operations: 1939" campaigns.
I have to say the description of the Spanish Civil War DLC is confusing to say the least. You control the Condor Legion, who carries over to future campaigns, but have no direct control over Nationalist Spanish troops. You can only give high-level orders to them like Attack Here or Hold There. The idea of a co-op AI partner in a beer-n-pretzels game does not enthuse me. Who thought this would be more fun than just playing as the Spanish?
As for the second DLC:
QuoteBut once again... we're still not quite in Poland yet. Axis Operations 1939 starts in March of 1939, which I'm sure our history buffs will recognize as the important date when Germany marched into Czechoslovakia.
That scenario, by the way, has some very unusual mechanics attached to it. If you've ever wondered why they call them Panzer 35(t) and Panzer 38(t) you'll found out here.
After that... we're still not quite getting to Poland just yet. Something else happened in 1939, a battle that might have actually changed the course of history. There was a French invasion of Germany! We're going to explore that conflict.
To compare with the original Grand Campaign, we're already looking at more than 20 battles worth of new content before we get to the fighting in Poland in 1939.
Erm.... 20 battles of content covering Czechoslovakia and the Saar Offensive? Just.... Why? Who asked for that? #:-)
Imma pass on this. PC2 was a bit of a disappointment, even with minimal expectations.
Yeah. I was excited about this game on launch, but now that the honeymoon phase is over, this lame DLC announcement does little to moist the loins. Think I'll be picking up the newest DLC for Order of Battle instead.
I think it is well intentioned. They are obviously trying to touch on battles often overlooked. In that regard, I applaud them...but yeah, the game in general isn't that enticing and these "battles" probably will not be the most dramatic.
I probably know the answer but I wonder if the annexation of Czechoslovakia can 'go hot' here...
Yeah. I'll pass for now. I'd rather see Allied/Soviet campaigns.
I'm sure I'll get into PC2 at one point in the future but that day hasn't come.
Panzer Corps 2 Pacific announced:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1688110/Panzer_Corps_2_Pacific/
I still play original panzer Corp. the second version, I don't like as much, don't care for the visuals, I wish they had the the panzer Corp visual option
I have been picking them up but yeah something about this one, panzer corps was much more enjoyable