Anyone have some first impressions?
Thanks
Quick one right off the bat: the UI is much better than in Anglo-German War. Still not the most intuitive but once you get the hang of it you are no longer fighting it like in AGW.
Keep them coming Barth. U D Man.
It's surprising how little info I can find online about the previous games to get an idea of the new one. Maybe it's just my poor Google-Fu.
Is there a grand campaign covering the entire war in 1 scenario? If so, is that one released yet? Also, is there any kind of economic, production, or tech research aspects? Does the game cover things like the Battle of the Atlantic, Battle of Britain or is it just land operations?
I don't think that any answer you give is likely to make me not purchase at this point. Operational is my favorite scale. I'm not going to diss any Panzer Campaigns or OCS titles for lacking super high level decision making, so I don't see any reason to reject this one on that basis.
There will be a Grand campaign that covers the entire war in Europe, both fronts. It's not in this real ease but will be a free download with the other 50 remaining scenarios.
There is no diplomacy or tech tree. There are replacements but no production. I have no idea how tech advances will factor in.
There are naval units that you can do sea battles with. It's a bit abstracted in the combat but you do order your ships where to go and give individual missions.
There is actually a Battle of Britain scenario in this release. I haven't tried it yet but it will be one of the first few I try out. It has the German airforce trying to cause damage to Target units while the RAF tries to defend. Should be interesting.
But mostly its a land operational level game. Lots and lots of scenarios and a few mega campaigns. Years of game play value.
All this and I've yet to have more than a couple of hours to poke around in the files and start a few scenarios....wheeeeeeeee! :D
I've bandied this URL around for a while now, but it will give you a hint of what is going on in WWIIE, just through really old version of the UI thats in the original Russo-German War. I think the basic gameplay/phases are the same, but with a lot of added refinement.
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=2598
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=2652
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=2795
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=2862
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=2932
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=2973
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=3062
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=3110
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=3133
http://sugarfreegamer.com/?p=3153
I think the UI has evolved over the years and the maps are delicately crafted with a lot more detail on them.
Screen shot of the same scenario in the new game:
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Ahh excellent idea Barthheart!!
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Thanks Spelk. I had seen this sometime before but had forgotten how it came out. I'm wondering why the AI Russkies played so passive, rarely moving and only attacking once or twice? Is this normal for the AI? And I see you had many options turned off. Do they affect gameplay and how? Thank you and this game is looking really good to me.
I found a tutorial that I had apparently written for AGW that shows some of how *that* game worked. It might be interesting to have a comparison made between how it was done *then* as opposed to how it works in WWII now:
http://www.garykrockover.com/uploads/AGW_Tutorial.pdf
And I know that I wrote an online review of AGW but I can't seem to find it anywhere. As I recall, I liked the game a great deal at the time.
Very cool GJK. I had AGW as well and like it too... just the UI was a beast to use.
WWIIE follows closely the same type of turn phasing except that there in now just one Land Ops phase....well sort of.
You get a Land Movement phase and a Land Combat phase, but you can still move some units in the Combat phase and units that use certain move types, ie Move no Combat etc., can't attack in the Combat phase.
If you remember how to play AGW, you can pick up WWIIE very quickly..... with an easier UI.
just keep an eye out that if your thoughts on this game show up on someone else's page elsewhere that you actually gave them permission to use your thoughts, or you rein them in
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 11, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
just keep an eye out that if your thoughts on this game show up on someone else's page elsewhere that you actually gave them permission to use your thoughts, or you rein them in
???
I don't recall if it was armchairgeneral or what site or whom it was but I was asked to submit a review for AGW when it first came out because I had been praising the game in the forums.
I was hoping to reinstall my copy of AGW but the backup archive that I made of the CD is corrupted and of course I can't find the original CD anywhere. Oh well, I'll see about picking up WWII after the holidays some time.
Yep definitely twilight zone..as I'm sure this is the same as Deadnaut thread??
Quote from: Barthheart on December 11, 2014, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 11, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
just keep an eye out that if your thoughts on this game show up on someone else's page elsewhere that you actually gave them permission to use your thoughts, or you rein them in
???
He means don't let your AARs or reviews of games on this site get extensively quoted on other sites without your permission. An AAR or review writer has certain rights to his material.
I can understand that:) Though haven't noticed it myself. On my facebook page I sometimes link to a review though I wouldn't copy and paste to try and take some sort of credit.
Quote from: GJK on December 11, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
I was hoping to reinstall my copy of AGW but the backup archive that I made of the CD is corrupted and of course I can't find the original CD anywhere. Oh well, I'll see about picking up WWII after the holidays some time.
GJK just contact Ron, I'm sure he'll help out with your AGW installation if you are having problems.
From his official site (his contact address is):
schwerpt@wargamer.com
Quote from: GJK on December 11, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
I was hoping to reinstall my copy of AGW but the backup archive that I made of the CD is corrupted and of course I can't find the original CD anywhere. Oh well, I'll see about picking up WWII after the holidays some time.
You'll find WWIIE has everything RGW/AGW had and more; no need to go back. Ron still has a couple of gameplay kinks to work out but the initial release version is quite playable.
Quote from: pzgndr on December 12, 2014, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: GJK on December 11, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
I was hoping to reinstall my copy of AGW but the backup archive that I made of the CD is corrupted and of course I can't find the original CD anywhere. Oh well, I'll see about picking up WWII after the holidays some time.
You'll find WWIIE has everything RGW/AGW had and more; no need to go back. Ron still has a couple of gameplay kinks to work out but the initial release version is quite playable.
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Quote from: pzgndr on December 12, 2014, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: GJK on December 11, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
I was hoping to reinstall my copy of AGW but the backup archive that I made of the CD is corrupted and of course I can't find the original CD anywhere. Oh well, I'll see about picking up WWII after the holidays some time.
You'll find WWIIE has everything RGW/AGW had and more; no need to go back. Ron still has a couple of gameplay kinks to work out but the initial release version is quite playable.
It's a 'no doubt purchase' for me, I just don't want to wait until after the holidays.... :crazy2:
I'll see if Ron has a record of my previous purchases (I had both AGW/RGW) and can help me out with the media for those and if not, then I'll just wait. Ron's a good guy, I believe that we've chatted before a long while back.
http://grogheads.com/?p=6978
Picked this up this evening. Received a download link on Christmas Day shortly after I submitted payment, for which Ron deserves kudos.
The depth and accuracy of the game are impressive. Graphics are spare to say the least, but for the most part functional. The gameplay feels very much like a board game and from what I've played, quite good. There's a really nice operational game here that's been well researched. The basic game system seems enjoyable and the game phases make sense.
The UI really leave a very great deal to be desired, unfortunately. I can probably get used to the really cumbersome way that units are selected and the opaque way that stack contents are displayed, but I really, really hope future patches fix all of the stuff that is constantly flickering on the screen. Far, far too much information appears and disappears in odd places on the screen as the mouse moves. The toolbar appears and disappears regardless of the setting to hide it or not. Map scrolling is frustrating. Having the map reset to the highest view level every turn and having to mess around getting back to my previous view nearly had me rage quitting the game.
I'm going to spend some more time with this tomorrow because the gameplay seems worth the investment, in the hopes that I will learn a means around at least the map reset issue. If that's not possible though, I'm going to regret not buy WitW instead of this. There's just too much friction in fighting the software to allow the game to shine through.
The map resetting to the Europe map view is for FOW... ie you can't see what the enemy is doing. If you just click in the red square when it's your phase again you will return to the most zoomed in view.
The UI does take getting used to but this one is much improved over the last iterations.
There is a good game in here.... maybe we'll have to try a PBEM game?
Quote from: Barthheart on December 26, 2014, 06:22:51 AM
The map resetting to the Europe map view is for FOW... ie you can't see what the enemy is doing. If you just click in the red square when it's your phase again you will return to the most zoomed in view.
The UI does take getting used to but this one is much improved over the last iterations.
There is a good game in here.... maybe we'll have to try a PBEM game?
Thanks, I'll give the red square click a try. I agree that there's a good game in there.
Definitely up for a PBEM game. Let me get a couple of the smaller scenarios under my belt so I feel less like I'm still figuring out the game mechanics and can concentrate on strategy, and I'm all in!