Looks like a new 4x/resource management/rpgish game set in ancient times from Civ4 and Offworld Trading Company designer Soren Johnson.
Early access on Epic before the summer. Not sure if that means only Epic though.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/14/preview-shape-nations-and-annoy-kings-in-old-world-the-new-4x-from-civ-4s-soren-johnson/ (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/14/preview-shape-nations-and-annoy-kings-in-old-world-the-new-4x-from-civ-4s-soren-johnson/)
Quote from: RedArgo on April 14, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
Looks like a new 4x/resource management/rpgish game set in ancient times from Civ4 and Offworld Trading Company designer Soren Johnson.
Early access on Epic before the summer. Not sure if that means only Epic though.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/14/preview-shape-nations-and-annoy-kings-in-old-world-the-new-4x-from-civ-4s-soren-johnson/ (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/14/preview-shape-nations-and-annoy-kings-in-old-world-the-new-4x-from-civ-4s-soren-johnson/)
Beta testing is on Epic.
The trailer looks excellent..........
Cross between Civ and Crusader Kings maybe...
Epic exclusive I believe.
Epic Store only, blah......
This sounds like an interesting game. I was a big fan of Civilization IV and still play it sometimes. I would prefer it was on Steam since I have no experience buying games through Epic. I'll keep an eye on this one.
Early access in May.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/28/offworld-trading-company-devs-launching-new-world-into-early-access-in-may/ (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/04/28/offworld-trading-company-devs-launching-new-world-into-early-access-in-may/)
Very cool, thanks.
Looks promising. Someone wake me next year when it's out of early access, and available on Steam.
I didn't realize 'til yesterday it was Epic only >:(
Did I miss something ? Aside from the hassle of having a different storefront for my games, what is the specific beef with Epic ?
I am very tempted by Old World.
Questionable business practices and poor user security, for two beefy reasons.
Quote from: Gusington on April 29, 2020, 02:13:20 PM
Questionable business practices and poor user security, for two beefy reasons.
Ah.OK.
I will look into it.
Cheers.
The game is out on Epic.
Has anyone tried it yet?
Quote from: Tpek on May 05, 2020, 11:21:53 AM
The game is out on Epic.
Has anyone tried it yet?
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So far glowing reviews from long time Civ players like Quill18 and the Explorminate website which specializes in 4X gaming.
It seems they may have nailed it.
Some pretty new mechanics and of course this is only the first day of Early Access. There are already 1000 unique events in the game that the player can be confronted with and the aim is for 3000 before full release.
Quote from: Tpek on May 05, 2020, 11:21:53 AM
The game is out on Epic.
Has anyone tried it yet?
And i thought it's going out only next year?
I've been trying to find out more about this game, but the official website is very lacking in information and doesn't even have a forum in it.
The epic game store page has slightly more information, but still very lacking and again no forum (where and how exactly are players supposed to report bugs and give feedback???).
And the let's plays by youtubers are a pain to watch.
Will the game have Multiplayer, will it be online-only or will LAN or Hotseat be supported, how much of the game is currently done, will the price increase as development continues,
what is the eta for the game leaving early access, are just some of the questions I have that I can't find an answer to.
As much as I want to give Epic Game Store a chance (especially since they are the last of the just, and don't use the abhorrent practice of regional pricing), their platform is so lacking in comparison to Steam it's simply frustrating.
I am pretty sure it's a mistake by EPIC. As far as i know, the game was scheduled for next year only.
Edit: the game is now on EA. It's not the finished game yet.
Quote from: Anguille on May 05, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
I am pretty sure it's a mistake by EPIC. As far as i know, the game was scheduled for next year only.
Edit: the game is now on EA. It's not the finished game yet.
Completely off topic:
Is your avatar that of the ship used by Valerian and Laureline in the french Valerian comic series?
Quote from: Tpek on May 05, 2020, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: Anguille on May 05, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
I am pretty sure it's a mistake by EPIC. As far as i know, the game was scheduled for next year only.
Edit: the game is now on EA. It's not the finished game yet.
Completely off topic:
Is your avatar that of the ship used by Valerian and Laureline in the french Valerian comic series?
Yes it is! Well noticed
Quote from: devoncop on May 05, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Tpek on May 05, 2020, 11:21:53 AM
The game is out on Epic.
Has anyone tried it yet?
So far glowing reviews from long time Civ players like Quill18 and the Explorminate website which specializes in 4X gaming.
It seems they may have nailed it.
Some pretty new mechanics and of course this is only the first day of Early Access. There are already 1000 unique events in the game that the player can be confronted with and the aim is for 3000 before full release.
Yeah, a number of folks are singing the game's praises. I'm trying to not get excited by the hype, but man it's hard.
The unit shuffling and expansion/exploration looks like a carbon copy of Civ 6. Anyone know if the basic gameplay differentiates itself in any way?
Quote from: Anguille on May 05, 2020, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Tpek on May 05, 2020, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: Anguille on May 05, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
I am pretty sure it's a mistake by EPIC. As far as i know, the game was scheduled for next year only.
Edit: the game is now on EA. It's not the finished game yet.
Completely off topic:
Is your avatar that of the ship used by Valerian and Laureline in the french Valerian comic series?
Yes it is! Well noticed
Following a recent sale on Valerian comics on Comixology, I started reading it.
Quote from: al_infierno on May 05, 2020, 08:54:21 PM
The unit shuffling and expansion/exploration looks like a carbon copy of Civ 6. Anyone know if the basic gameplay differentiates itself in any way?
It's way too early for me to compare and contrast the core game mechanics, but straight out of the gate, units are handled differently. For starters, the player begins each turn with set number of orders. These orders are used to control the players units and they can be applied however the player chooses. For instance, if you started a turn with 10 orders, you could use 3 of them on a scout to have him move three hexes. If he discovered silver, you could then use an order to have him harvest some of the resource (not as efficient as building a mine). You could then use the remaining orders on some or all of your other units. So, its not like each unit gets 2 points to move and attack. They can be allocated in a number of different ways...
So you bought the game JH?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs3acGYgI1-vy7CeBACpPwiBh07iBYktA
That's actually pretty interesting. Interested in this again.
Damn that does look very deep. Should I reconsider subscribing to Epic?
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
Damn that does look very deep. Should I reconsider subscribing to Epic?
The storefront is absolute bilge but this game is seriously good even now. Given those two facts I decided I am not exactly marrying Epic for life by purchasing a game I wanted from them any more than I am endorsing the delayed supplier payments of most supermarkets by buying my muesli from them. :)
Others may disagree but the game itself is a no brainer.
Hmm your muesli argument is strong.
It is a nice regulating input.
Quote from: Tpek on May 06, 2020, 03:22:39 PM
So you bought the game JH?
Of course I bought it. You're not surprised, are you? :2funny:
Soren Johnson was the lead designer on Civilization IV which is my favorite of the Civ. titles. My kids and I still play Civ IV. I think it is a good sign that Johnson and some others from the Civ IV development team are creating Old World.
I've been watching u-tube videos of Old World and reading posts about it. It has internal factions within your Civ. There is a pretty cool movement system. Unused orders (movement points) are sold for cash on the market etc.
Below are some interesting quotes from players who have the EA version:
Events, clans and characters. My leader got sick and died within 20 years so my daughter assume the throne at 17. My wifes clan is trying to drive a division between my granddaughter and my original clan, and just generally being a pain in the ass. So I'm already starting to care (ok loath the clan).
You can add generals from among your characters to command a unit, which confers bonuses (e.g. my Themistocles have an attack bonus to attacking across a river).
You can outright buy/sell your base resources is also a welcome addition, and works like in Offworld (buying more will increase the cost, selling too much will make it eventually worthless).
XP is used to buy unit ability promotions. 100 XP for the first, 200 XP for the 2nd etc. You can substitute training points for missing XP toward the next upgrade (it shows the cost in training points on the promotion list. gain 10 xp in a fight and the promotion training cost will be 10 less for example).
One combat unit per tile, like Civ 5.
Every character can gain xp and levels. The levels can boost existing traits, add a new trait, or a skill. I just had an Archer general level up and I chose Marksman for +1 Range.
You can treat Rivers like free roads.
Your Civ ruler is able to lead all units as a general, regardless of family.
Leaders get retired from field service at age 60 and can no longer be assigned as a general.
I'll probably be getting it. Just a matter of when.
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 10:00:45 AM
Hmm your muesli argument is strong.
Most things connected to my muesli are strong...... :hide:
:-" I did not just read the above.
MOS called out a cool-sounding feature:
It has internal factions within your Civ.
Don't make me install Epic!
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
:-" I did not just read the above.
MOS called out a cool-sounding feature:
It has internal factions within your Civ.
Don't make me install Epic!
It's worth it. This was my first Epic purchase.
Game is deep and interesting. Family and internal factions give it a CKII-light vibe.
DO IT!
You conniving bastards. How did I go from "eh" to "bought in early access and redownloading the Epic launcher" in less than 72 hours?? #:-)
Quote from: al_infierno on May 07, 2020, 01:18:01 PM
You conniving bastards. How did I go from "eh" to "bought in early access and redownloading the Epic launcher" in less than 72 hours?? #:-)
Sadly inevitable... :)
Dammit. Bart I finally caved and got Civ VI, which I really like but it kicks my ass each time.
I just hate the Epic operates...
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 01:36:58 PM
Dammit. Bart I finally caved and got Civ VI, which I really like but it kicks my ass each time.
I just hate the Epic operates...
:)
Well then Old World will kick yer ass too. I've got 16 hours in already and haven't won yet... not even been in first place yet...
16 hours?? Damn.
Can you give custom names to military units?
Quote from: MOS:96B2P on May 07, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
Can you give custom names to military units?
Hmmm... haven't tried that. You can rename all the members in you family...
Quote from: Barthheart on May 07, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
Quote from: MOS:96B2P on May 07, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
Can you give custom names to military units?
Hmmm... haven't tried that. You can rename all the members in you family...
That's cool. Of course you might not want to get attached to family members in this game. It sounds like you might have to "off" one every once in a while ........ ;D
A couple of other interesting game mechanics:
When you found a city, you do it, not just as a civilization, but as one of four families of that civilization. Each family has different strengths/weaknesses that influence that city and any others founded by that family. When you found a new city, you can choose to found it with the same family or a different one, with different strengths/weaknesses. A different take on tall vs. wide.
Also, you can't build a city just anywhere as in Civ. There are city sites on the map, and you have to connect them to one of your cities before you can settle them. Connections can be by road or river. Also, some families have "always connected" as one of their buffs. It's more limiting than Civ in some ways, but I'm liking it so far. Makes city planning less about just filling holes in the map -- and limits the aggravation in the Civ games where the AI settles a tiny city right in the middle of your empire. And I really like the fact that rivers have a real purpose.
I'm usually leery of early access games, but this one is solid.
Quote from: MOS:96B2P on May 07, 2020, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on May 07, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
Quote from: MOS:96B2P on May 07, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
Can you give custom names to military units?
Hmmm... haven't tried that. You can rename all the members in you family...
That's cool. Of course you might not want to get attached to family members in this game. It sounds like you might have to "off" one every once in a while ........ ;D
This is true, playing as Romulus of Rome I've had kill my brother Remus for conspiring against me... :knuppel2:
Are there unique military units for each faction?
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 05:21:47 PM
Are there unique military units for each faction?
Yes.
This might be a record time for my loins going from dry to fully emoistened. This game might actually distract me from my latest Dom 5 binge...
Dammit I was hoping the units were generic. I'm running out of reasons to not buy,
From screenshots it looks like there is specific geography for each faction too, and architecture.
Well, specific architecture for sure.
I can hold off and wait for the Steam version. I already have plenty of games to play in the meantime, plus it guarantees there's at least one game I can look forward to next year :P It is looking damn good, though.
By geography I mean it looks from the screenshots as if you get faction specific features. If you choose Rome, the Tiber runs through your territory, etc. No?
Quote from: Gusington on May 07, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
By geography I mean it looks from the screenshots as if you get faction specific features. If you choose Rome, the Tiber runs through your territory, etc. No?
Yeah, river names seem to be aligned with the city they're close to. Civ 6 does the same thing I think.
So far I'm quite impressed with this game. It's rough around the edges, but already feels like more than the sum of its parts. One thing that pleased me to realize is how how cities, and the units they produce, are color-coded to the owning family within your faction -- I assume this will determine ownership in the event of a civil war.
I read
Love Thy Neighbor, a book about the Yugoslav Wars, which talks about how one summer communities from neighboring villages helped tend each other's farms, and then the next year they were killing/looting each other. It's quite interesting and poignant to see this dynamic replicated in game mechanics where I sent workers from Roma to help develop the lands around the new city of Antium -- which happens to belong to the faction led by my rival brother. So far I have two female children and no male heir, so I'm semi expecting my dick brother to declare a succession war upon my character's death, leading to said Roman and Antium(ian?) neighbors slaughtering each other and burning/looting the very settlements they themselves helped build. :knuppel2:
Does the game have a Hotseat option for Multiplayer, or is it online only?
I looked around for hotseat and I didn't see anything. There is an option under multiplayer to turn off the network, but then there is a box to enter the player's e-mail address, so maybe that is just PBEM? Not really sure.
I've played about 50 turns as Rome, Romulus died at age 76, his son had already died, so his grandson became the new leader.
The AI expanded a lot more than me, i don't know what I doing particularly. I fought two wars against the Egyptians and both times they did not aggressively move against me, but I am playing on a lower difficulty level, so that may be it. It was only when I moved a unit in to their territory that they responded by moving a bunch of units to attack.
There are a lot of bonus and upgrades to tiles and units similar to Civ, so it feels familiar, but it adds new dynamics with the CK2 type of mechanics for families.
For a game just into early access, this is already polished and other than a few placeholder graphics and some messed up pronouns on text blocks, I am really impressed. I think it will be well worth the current sale price of $30 if you don't mind buying on Epic.
Excellent news. As I've already bought MW5 from them I might as well buy this after all your recommendations... so I did! :)
Looks like a great game indeed!
I'm having a blast with it. It's like Civ, but tense.
I'm curious how the game compares/contrasts to Civilization IV. Not just because Soren Johnson also was the lead dev on that one, but because it's the one Civ game I've enjoyed.
Quote from: Martok on May 12, 2020, 12:18:51 AM
I'm curious how the game compares/contrasts to Civilization IV. Not just because Soren Johnson also was the lead dev on that one, but because it's the one Civ game I've enjoyed.
It's nothing like Civ IV realty, other than you build cities and expand your empire.
It's got hexes and single unit per hex just like Civ VI, only workers scouts and religious units can stack with military units.
Ranged units can fire 2 to 4 hexes.
You build cities with settlers, but only on designated city sites, some of which are occupied by barbarians and lesser tribes.
You build improvements around your city like Civ IV and Civ V. But this does not consume your worker, just resources and time.
Other than those Civ-like things the game departs quite a bit from them.
My initial enthusiasm has flagged a bit. The mechanic that forces you to decide how your, e.g., 12 orders for this turn should be divvied out among your 7 units, each of which can move up to 3 or 4 times, while holding orders back for building and responding to special events makes for plenty of interesting decisions in the early to middle parts of the game. Unfortunately, it becomes cumbersome when you have 36 orders to divide up among 30 units every damned turn. It's early access yet, but they need to work on the late-game bogdown problem it at least shares with Civ, if not doubles down on.
For as maligned as the game was, and though the feature was cut from the final version, I think MOO3's Imperial Focus Points (IFP's) was a far better system.
You basically had the same number of IFP's at the beginning of the game as you did at the end of the game, so you were still making the same number of "executive decisions" as when you started. (I believe it was planned that you could research techs that would allow you to increase this number slightly, but not to any significant extent.) The theory/hope was that players with bigger empires would be forced to rely more heavily on their AI subordinates (governors, admirals, etc.) to run things, whereas players with smaller empires could micromanage things a bit more, therefore allowing them to better compete with their larger neighbors.
It's a pity we never got to see how (or whether) the IFP system would've worked. In any case, however, a key part of it was that the number of IFP's available to the player remained pretty much throughout the game.
Ok. I am interested, given the comments in the Humankind thread...so disappointed in Humankind.
I've played through Old World through a handful of aborted games and three to completion. I'm only playing on the third difficulty level from the bottom, but I've found that to be enough of a challenge for now. There is a lot going on with family relations, major and minor countries, religion, orders, different resources to build different things for your empire like physical food/wood/iron/stone, but also money, civics, training, growth, some others I don't remember.
There are very deep tool tips in the game and a tutorial, but I found this manual that was created after release to be a help getting my head around the whole thing. At least as much as I have.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgJ028vrIejziZADX9yMvb4LJQzY9g (https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgJ028vrIejziZADX9yMvb4LJQzY9g)
Haven't played in a few weeks, but they have also been releasing regular updates with fixes, adjustments, and more events.
There is also a very active Discord channel.
This can't get to Steam fast enough. I may even break and download the Epic client for this if I'm feeling weak.
Quote from: Gusington on September 15, 2021, 06:23:37 AM
This can't get to Steam fast enough. I may even break and download the Epic client for this if I'm feeling weak.
Steam release could become available mid 2022.
Yep I read that yesterday.
I will wait for the Steam release due to my antipathy towards Epic and also it gives them time to iron out any bugs.
Highly looking forward to this one.
I haven't run into any bugs so far. The only issue I have has is that the key remapping feature doesn't work properly and you can't remap things to the numberpad. I did see one spelling mistake but that got fixed in the last patch.
Quote from: devoncop on September 15, 2021, 09:14:24 AM
I will wait for the Steam release due to my antipathy towards Epic and also it gives them time to iron out any bugs.
Highly looking forward to this one.
This is definitely a TBS I could consider trying once it comes to Steam. I'm not a fan anymore of TBS in general, preferring RTS with pause. This game can't deny being inspired by the dev's exposure to CIV4, however, and well, that's my main concern: if it's too civ-like. I wouldn't want that, because I can't play Civ anymore having played it way too much when I was younger. Notwithstanding these concerns, the whole concept, setting, family politics, etc. looks really interesting. It's basically what I would have wished for my beloved Hegemony III game, if it just had received more - and I mean many more - updates/dlc.
Quote from: RedArgo on September 14, 2021, 11:36:56 PM
I found this manual that was created after release to be a help getting my head around the whole thing. At least as much as I have.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgJ028vrIejziZADX9yMvb4LJQzY9g (https://1drv.ms/b/s!AgJ028vrIejziZADX9yMvb4LJQzY9g)
Useful link. Thank you.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 15, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
I haven't run into any bugs so far. The only issue I have has is that the key remapping feature doesn't work properly and you can't remap things to the numberpad. I did see one spelling mistake but that got fixed in the last patch.
Impressive :bd:
fyi: OW is on sale until 9/23 (11am) for ~$36 over at Epic Games (https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/old-world). Tempted, but still going to try to wait for an Epic Games sale that has the $10 off coupons.
I am hell bent to wait for it to appear on Steam.
That said, Crusader Kings III is on sale for 40.00 @ Steam...I never did get into the previous version but this one is calling to me.
Quote from: devoncop on September 15, 2021, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on September 15, 2021, 10:17:37 AM
I haven't run into any bugs so far. The only issue I have has is that the key remapping feature doesn't work properly and you can't remap things to the numberpad. I did see one spelling mistake but that got fixed in the last patch.
Impressive :bd:
I did run into some issues in my latest game. I started experiencing a fair amount of lag and some unresponsiveness once I'd reached the late stages of the campaign when all the fog of war had been removed from the map and there were large numbers of units in play. I also had an issue where the text had become corrupted and I couldn't read anything in some of the dropdown menus. I think that might have been because I had alt-tabbed out to look at an incoming message while the game was processing a turn.
After my bitter and ongoing disappointment with Humankind I broke down and got an Epic account and bought Old World. Totally worth it!!! I have a long way to go and a lot to learn, but this game looks good. Old World rocks while Humankind s-ck's!
^This post is bringing me as dangerously close to downloading Epic as I have ever been...somebody stop me!
Quote from: Gusington on September 20, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
^This post is bringing me as dangerously close to downloading Epic as I have ever been...somebody stop me!
Gus...Gus.
It starts with d/l Epic on Monday....by the weekend the Chinese state security operations have full knowledge of your nefarious browsing habits.... ;)
Still impatient ? :)
I'm good now. Thanks for pulling me back from the edge.
I have had some more time in on this now and it is much more like what I had hoped for Humankind. So far I like it. But, it is still early days and I have not even fought my first war yet. My biggest complaint so far is the lack of a handy board to monitor discussions like Steam provides. That is an Epic failure, not the game's.
There's a very active discussion board for it on Discord. The link is on the bottom left of the title screen when you start the game.
Quote from: Gusington on September 21, 2021, 08:25:21 AM
I'm good now. Thanks for pulling me back from the edge.
Resistance is futile. You will comply.
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Holding...for now. I can wait for 6 months or a year. I've done it for other titles. And I'll just keep telling myself that, repeatedly...
I'm playing as Assyria now. My current ruler managed to usurp power from his older brother and ascended to the throne in spite of the fact that the elder brother was the legitimate heir. He grew up with a pet monkey. Said monkey has long harboured a dislike of the elder brother and has thus been trained and sent on an assassination mission to slip poison into the elder brother's drink while he treats with a delegation from Carthage.
Monkey assassins Gus! How can you resist?
:DD This game sounds incredible.
Goddammit SDR
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Mission successful! And he made it look like the Carthaginians did it.
That's a dang smart monkey. Not only committed a calculated murder, but managed to frame an entire civilization for it! Can you install him as your ruler?
^That's a low, slow softball to the inside...
Do I sense a crack in your never epic resolve?
Never!
Quote from: Gusington on September 21, 2021, 07:28:24 PM
Never!
Good man ! We shall stand firm
It has just been discovered that Steve and SDR are actually Xiaou Chang and Ming Chou Li, notorious commanders in the Peoples Liberation Army (Epic Division) .....pay them no heed ;)
(https://longlivethekitty.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/poster_believe_live_chairman_meow3.jpg)
Haha I knew it
I say nothing.
Who said Mil Int was a contradiction in terms 😉
No further evidence your honour....
Just had a daughter (and heir)! She gets to have a pet, either a monkey or a fish. Since the monkey (edit) thing has been done, I think I'll get her a fish and see if I can train it to be an assassin!
(https://memberfiles.freewebs.com/30/66/56566630/photos/Ninja/ninja%20fish.jpg)
;D
OK, the whole fish assassin plan fell apart. Before I got an option to train it I got a message that my daughter had become more like her mother and that she now hated me. No way her fish is going to get assassin training.
Watch your back! ...and hire Gus to be your food taster! :-"
That service doesn't come inexpensively...
I got "sick" and died. Now I am her, since she was the heir. The new heir is her son and he is a little snot. Karma is a bit-chi. Unfortunately I, the player, have to live through it all.
Always train your fish!
You never know.
^Another sig worthy line. This game can't get to Steam fast enough so I can get my arse handed to me by it.
Quote from: Gusington on September 24, 2021, 08:27:34 AM
^Another sig worthy line. This game can't get to Steam fast enough so I can get my arse handed to me by it.
Ditto :bd:
Coming to Steam Q2 2022:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/597180/Old_World/
Quote from: al_infierno on October 07, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Coming to Steam Q2 2022:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/597180/Old_World/
And GOG at the same time.
https://www.gog.com/game/old_world
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
thank you both :notworthy:
About bloody time. I thought I would be dead before it reached Steam !
I may still be but it at least gives me a fighting chance :bd:
Haha ;D
I keep seeing this text in all the announcements "Additionally, a new expansion campaign will be released alongside the Steam and GOG launch.", but can't find any info on the expansion. Anyone?
I hope it's ancient aliens!
I really like that Old World is focused just on the ancient era and if there is an even more focused expansion...even more gooder.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 07, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
I hope it's ancient aliens!
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"That alien parasite egg your explorer found in the ancient tomb looks like a perfect gift for your hated heir's rival!"
Ancient alien assassins...next in AssCreed, Old World and Crusader Kings.
Quote from: steve58 on October 07, 2021, 02:27:56 PM
I keep seeing this text in all the announcements "Additionally, a new expansion campaign will be released alongside the Steam and GOG launch.", but can't find any info on the expansion. Anyone?
Seems the dev is keeping this info close to his chest...
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Tim@HoodedHorse [developer] Oct 9 @ 6:14pm
We aren't revealing any details yet - forgive us, it's a great opportunity to do a big reveal later :)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/597180/discussions/0/3092275748066044716/#c3092275748073665436
Until the next patch for Shadow Empire this is probably the only game I'm playing.
Nice - I love 'big reveals.'
Quote from: Gusington on October 12, 2021, 07:10:02 PM
Nice - I love 'big reveals.'
Yes I read about those in the court transcript ;)
Those were supposed to be 'sealed.'
:/
Stuff I didn't know or forgot about because I'm too old to remember these things. I'm mostly referring to item 'c'.
The following was posted by the Old World developer on the Steam discussion board:
I realize this topic invokes strong feelings. However:
a) Old World didn't break any crowd-funding promises.
b) Old World didn't put the game up on Steam and then pull it off later.
c) Old World's publisher had run into financial difficulties and that publishing deal was cancelled, and the exclusive deal was what allowed the game to still be funded and made up to the full quality.
Even if someone considers themselves generally opposed to exclusives, they should be able to look at this case and understand how it is very different from the sorts of deals that have caused controversy. And they should be able to see how, in this case, an exclusive didn't deny them a game they were promised--instead it is what will give them a great game on any storefront they choose next year, delivering with an additional expansion alongside a complete game.
Thanks for posting, I didn't know most of the above. Guess the Old World developers caught their share of flak for the Epic release...
Quote from: MC on October 13, 2021, 08:11:52 AM
Stuff I didn't know or forgot about because I'm too old to remember these things. I'm mostly referring to item 'c'.
The following was posted by the Old World developer on the Steam discussion board:
I realize this topic invokes strong feelings. However:
a) Old World didn't break any crowd-funding promises.
b) Old World didn't put the game up on Steam and then pull it off later.
c) Old World's publisher had run into financial difficulties and that publishing deal was cancelled, and the exclusive deal was what allowed the game to still be funded and made up to the full quality.
Even if someone considers themselves generally opposed to exclusives, they should be able to look at this case and understand how it is very different from the sorts of deals that have caused controversy. And they should be able to see how, in this case, an exclusive didn't deny them a game they were promised--instead it is what will give them a great game on any storefront they choose next year, delivering with an additional expansion alongside a complete game.
I 100% do not blame the devs for re,easing on Epic in such circumstances. Their logic is sound and I am happy to wait for what seems a superb product on what I consider to be a much more ethically acceptable platform than Epic.
It's a win win.
For anyone like myself eagerly awaiting the chance to buy Old World on Steam.....release date is 19th May...a couple of days from my birthday. Its fate !
Be nice to play a game like this with very competent AI and it may be an expansion will be released simultaneously O0
That's three days before my 71st. Happy Birthday to me!
71 is the new 70, as they say.
I am very psyched for this release, Day 1 purchase! Can't wait.
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2022, 11:56:12 AM
71 is the new 70, as they say.
I am very psyched for this release, Day 1 purchase! Can't wait.
I will be 58 !
Though to be fair my attitude towards society more closely resembles some crotchety 95 year old saying life was better in the Blitz ;)
Nice 👍🏼
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 07, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
I hope it's ancient aliens!
It's probably an Aztec invasion. ;)
However, for your ancient-alien bronze age fix, see
Egypt: Old Kingdom (sequel to
Pre-dynastic Egypt). One of the free expansions allows you to salt the campaign with either an alien overlord invasion, or a mummy/zombie invasion. (I've played the game a lot myself, but haven't tried those. My guess is that the former adds extra resource gathering goals for your overlords at the risk of being zorched for non-compliance, possibly with some benefits along the way; and the latter adds more random combat throughout the game.)
The expansion was Carthage, wasn't it?
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 12, 2022, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on October 07, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
I hope it's ancient aliens!
It's probably an Aztec invasion. ;)
However, for your ancient-alien bronze age fix, see Egypt: Old Kingdom (sequel to Pre-dynastic Egypt). One of the free expansions allows you to salt the campaign with either an alien overlord invasion, or a mummy/zombie invasion. (I've played the game a lot myself, but haven't tried those. My guess is that the former adds extra resource gathering goals for your overlords at the risk of being zorched for non-compliance, possibly with some benefits along the way; and the latter adds more random combat throughout the game.)
You obviously must appease your Goa'uld overlords. While waiting for liberation from...peoples.
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2022, 12:51:58 PM
The expansion was Carthage, wasn't it?
There is a new ( free) dlc if you buy the game within 2 weeks of Steam release, which is an extra scenario purely based around the Aegean I believe.
Whether or not a further faction is also released at time of release only time will tell but the indications are that more factions are on the way at some point.
Quote from: Geezer on April 12, 2022, 11:03:15 AM
That's three days before my 71st. Happy Birthday to me!
Hey Geezer...I hit the big 71 about three weeks after you. At least I know I'm not the oldest on these forums. ;D
The oldest is and always will be Windy, despite his chronological age.
It's good to hear the release date on Steam. I'm really looking forward to playing.
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
The oldest is and always will be Windy, despite his chronological age.
Do I get Extra Credit if I'm over 50 and have multiple kids who aren't yet teenagers?
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on April 13, 2022, 12:47:09 AM
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
The oldest is and always will be Windy, despite his chronological age.
Do I get Extra Credit if I'm over 50 and have multiple kids who aren't yet teenagers?
Good god man are aiming for an early grave???
Sorry, no credit. Just work. Forever.
I will light a candle for you Sooner at the Shrine of the Stressed Parent. And save you a spot at the Shrine of the Soon-To-Be Stressed Grandparent. That's all you get other than my grudging admiration. :notworthy:
Well the game is "Old" World so I don't think anyone under 50 should be allowed to play at all. :-"
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on April 13, 2022, 12:47:09 AM
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
The oldest is and always will be Windy, despite his chronological age.
Do I get Extra Credit if I'm over 50 and have multiple kids who aren't yet teenagers?
That would be me!
^Ok fine you're all old and magnificent.
New expansion info! 'Heroes of the Aegean'
Quote from: Gusington on April 13, 2022, 07:57:54 PM
^Ok fine you're all old and magnificent.
New expansion info! 'Heroes of the Aegean'
Yep...that's the one I was talking about and thanks for posting the trailer Gus.....the anticipation has gone up another few notches !!
Quote from: Gusington on April 13, 2022, 07:57:54 PM
^Ok fine you're all old and magnificent.
New expansion info! 'Heroes of the Aegean'
Ok, now I am buying on day one.... there is never enough ancient Greece for me :bd:
Yes it should be a fine addition to the Imperium Greek Wars saga albeit that its mechanics and graphics could not be more different.
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on April 13, 2022, 12:47:09 AM
Do I get Extra Credit if I'm over 50 and have multiple kids who aren't yet teenagers?
I'm with you brother. When I was 50 my kids were 2 and -3. :o
This is looking like a day 1 birthday present to me.
Cant imagine it here, 54 and kids 29 and 23... with the 23 year old still at home living off mum and dad and giving us grief daily...
When I turned 18, my Father sent me out to get pizza. We didn't have any pizza places in town. :o I got the hint pretty quick.
;D
Quote from: FarAway Sooner on April 13, 2022, 12:47:09 AM
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2022, 01:36:22 PM
The oldest is and always will be Windy, despite his chronological age.
Do I get Extra Credit if I'm over 50 and have multiple kids who aren't yet teenagers?
Raising pre-teen children will get you months off your time in purgatory.
Teenagers will get you decades.
^I've to both! :D
Classic responses here, gents! I appreciate the wisdom/resignation of the board in this regard. :arr:
Quote from: devoncop on April 12, 2022, 10:07:43 AM
For anyone like myself eagerly awaiting the chance to buy Old World on Steam.....release date is 19th May...a couple of days from my birthday. Its fate !
Be nice to play a game like this with very competent AI and it may be an expansion will be released simultaneously O0
Appears to be releasing on GoG at same time. WooHoo!
Uh Oh, from GOG forum posted today:
"Posted on Discord 5/11/2022
The May 19th release of Old World on GOG is only a week away, and our team is excited to see preparations being made across our community. We are grateful to all of you, as always; however, today we have some not-so-great news that we need to share.
As you probably have noticed, Old World is a very wordy game. We have over 3,500 events in the main game, and the Greek campaign in the upcoming Heroes of the Aegean DLC (which is free for the first two weeks) contains many hundreds of new, custom events. All of that text added up to hundreds of thousands of words, with new events being written up to the end of last month. Unfortunately, this quantity of work meant that the translations will not be fully complete by our May 19th release date. The work will be finished by the end of June at the latest, and we are hoping it will be ready and available before then.
We are very sorry that the complete translations will miss the release date as it is the first time we have had to delay a part of the project. However, we believe that delaying the release to deliver a higher quality is better than releasing what we have and pretending it is good enough. We hold our community in high esteem, and our priority as a team is to make sure we let you know the situation.
If you still want to play the game with the beta translations (which contain most of the game's text but may have some errors), they will be available on release day on our public Test Branch and will be updated frequently in the following weeks. The seven available languages will be French, German, Spanish, Russian, Japanese, and both simplified and traditional Chinese.
Thank you so much for all the support you've given us over the years; as you might already know, over half of our team originates from the community. Thanks again for believing in us, and we appreciate your patience. ~ Leyla Johnson"
I am fine playing it in english for now. :bd:
They didn't list english as one of the available languages the way I read it. Also I want it on GoG and I don't know if the beta is available there.
Quote from: bobarossa on May 13, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
They didn't list english as one of the available languages the way I read it. Also I want it on GoG and I don't know if the beta is available there.
English is the only language available from the start. The others are only in the test branch.
Coming this Thursday - been looking forward to it for more than a year!
Me too....its been a LONG year.
I think the tutorial is as the Greeks but I want to get my hands on the Assyrians or the Egyptians ASAP for my first playthrough. Rome is very powerful but too predictable I think and the other civs can wait.....which one will you go with first (after the tutorial ?)
Think about the academic challenge in games like this if you just made players play each faction in their native language. How many grogs would be learning the Greek alphabet or Latin to play the games from the classical period? French to play as Napoleon, or German or Russian if you wanted to play anything about the Ostfront (and by the way, did the Russians call the Eastern Front the Western Front?)!
The opportunities for academic betterment here are immense! 8)
My love of PC gaming is immeasurable but my horror and ineptitude in learning foreign languages would trump any devotion to gaming.
I am after all British, a nation infamous for its unwillingness to learn the languages of others. :idiot2:
At least I could play English Civil War games though ;)
The Soviets called their side of WW2 The Great Patriotic War.
They officially called their western front three fronts: North, Central, and South; although those were composed of Northern Front, Leningrad Front, Byelorussian Front, Western Front, Kiev Front, and Odessa Front (plus I think a 7th I can't recall atm). These were based on the Special Military Districts (local military governments) set up along their western frontier: the general in charge of each MD transferred directly over, with his staff, to the equivalent Front Commander. And then each main front group got a special commander (like Zhukov for South Front group).
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 16, 2022, 11:40:10 AM
The Soviets called their side of WW2 The Great Patriotic War.
They officially called their western front three fronts: North, Central, and South; although those were composed of Northern Front, Leningrad Front, Byelorussian Front, Western Front, Kiev Front, and Odessa Front (plus I think a 7th I can't recall atm). These were based on the Special Military Districts (local military governments) set up along their western frontier: the general in charge of each MD transferred directly over, with his staff, to the equivalent Front Commander. And then each main front group got a special commander (like Zhukov for South Front group).
Spoken like a true Grog. I think the simplest answer is that they only had one front so it was the Front.
DevonCop once I get a handle on Old World, I am thinking of trying as Persia, if they are a playable faction...now that I stop and think, I am not sure if they are...
In Soviet Russia, patriotic wars WW2 you!
W8taminute ducks for cover and runs away
Quote from: Gusington on May 16, 2022, 12:03:48 PM
DevonCop once I get a handle on Old World, I am thinking of trying as Persia, if they are a playable faction...now that I stop and think, I am not sure if they are...
Gus...you are in luck !
The factions that are playable are
Persia, Babylon, Greece,Rome, Egypt Assyria and Carthage :bd:
Gauls,Sythians,Danes ets are non playable tribes plus there are non aligned barbarians.
^Nice! Very much looking forward to playing Persia, then, especially if they turn out to be as well fleshed-out as other factions I've seen in features/previews.
Macedon is playable too, eh? Asking for a friend.
Quote from: bobarossa on May 16, 2022, 11:44:35 AM
Spoken like a true Grog. I think the simplest answer is that they only had one front so it was the Front.
Another simple answer, with historical backing I can trace (via Churchill's memoirs for example) is that the Soviets regarded their front as the First Front, and other fronts as the Second or Third Front. Thus Stalin was always trying to get the West to open up a Second Font, and he didn't much like acknowledging the Mediterranean as the Second Front with France (north and south) being the Third Front.
For diplomatic reasons, Churchill pivoted soon to calling the buildup for Overlord the Second Front being already in existence, since the buildup tended to pin Nazi divisions on guard, and promoted the Sicily/Italy/Aegean area (hopefully, but futilely) as the Third Front. Stalin accepted this better.
Another simple answer with historical backing, is that all three of the Big Three oriented their focus against Hitler, and so among themselves called the directional fronts in relation to Hitler's perspective: Britain and the US (and France eventually) on the West Front, Soviets on the East Front.
Quote from: Gusington on May 16, 2022, 02:07:11 PM
^Nice! Very much looking forward to playing Persia, then, especially if they turn out to be as well fleshed-out as other factions I've seen in features/previews.
Macedon is playable too, eh? Asking for a friend.
Greece is playable under Philip with Alexander as his initial heir. No Macedon as such.
That's fine. The new Heroes of the Aegean DLC looks quite choice.
Great news dropped today via Rob at Explorminate. New faction added to co-incide with the Steam release. The Hittites 👍.
Great to see more free extra factions.
Bring on the Chariots
Ian
^You delight and tickle me on what has otherwise been a crap day.
I have never played as or against a Hittite faction in any pc game.
Not to derail the thread, but I looked at other titles the publisher, "Hooded Horse" has in its Steam pipeline...some very good things coming in the next year or so.
https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/HoodedHorse/ (https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/HoodedHorse/)
^'Fragile Existence' - I can very much identify with that one.
Quote from: ArizonaTank on May 18, 2022, 01:49:55 PM
Not to derail the thread, but I looked at other titles the publisher, "Hooded Horse" has in its Steam pipeline...some very good things coming in the next year or so.
https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/HoodedHorse/ (https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/HoodedHorse/)
I agree. There is a lot of hype/hope for Falling Frontier from the "Freelancer" crowd (though I am not a fan of such games personally) , but I like the look of Espiocracy ...which looks like it may be a board game adaptation but which may need a lot of effort on its AI given it covers the whole world..
Old World is already live on Steam for download early this morning in the UK.
Nice surprise.
Thats my day sorted :)
^I just got an email notification as well. Can't wait to go home from work today.
I am working from home today but actually...working :(
I don't know why, but I thought Heroes of the Aegean was free DLC...it's 10.00 on Steam. There is a 10% discount which brings the original game down to 36.00, so total is 46.
Little pricey but I have been looking forward to this for so long that I can barely hear my wallet complaining.
The blurb on the hittite trailer does say it's free for 2 weeks to new and existing buyers of old world
I bought it on Epic last year, but am also seeing the DLC for $10. Hopefully this is just a release day bump/delay, otherwise...not happy.
Hmm...thanks Steve and 'Geek...holding now to see if it clears up. 10.00 is 10.00.
https://www.gog.com/en/game/old_world
Old World - Heroes of the Aegean is available for free for the first two weeks of release! : $36
https://store.steampowered.com/app/597180/Old_World/
Old World + Free Heroes of the Aegean DLC Upgrade : $36
^Nice! Thanks Pete.
All cleared up and I got my 10.00 back :)
Little shady how the upgrade was not so easy to find on Steam but whatever :/
... never mind
OK my bad, apparently I do have the new DLC. I can see "Heroes of the Aegean" under Scenarios. O0
Fire it up!!
Downloading game and DLC from Gog right now! Have about 50 turns left in my Civ5 game. Doubt I can finish that before the download completes!
I have faith in you. Nothing happens in the last 50 turns anyway!
If you want that last 50 turns to go by faster use nukes! ;D
Working my way through the tutorials and it runs like a dream . Very happy so far and I do like the UI with the tooltips that you can drill down into.
How is everyone else finding it ? Anyone just jumped straight in and have a proper game underway yet ?
Are the tutorials well done? Old World doesn't seem particularly complex to me but what do I know.
Are skirmish games possible to set up? If I want to play as the Hittites vs. Persia can I do that?
And is there Steam workshop support?
Of course I am now not home, had to leave for a while with work getting done in my house, so I will have to purchase later :/
fyi: Epicgames is having a sale (https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/sales-and-specials/mega-sale) that includes a 25% off coupon that may work on Old World. I can't verify this since I already bought Old World on Epic. Also, as far as I can tell from the coupon description, it sounds like it will work on all eligible items ($14.99 or more) in your cart, not just one item.
Quote from: Gusington on May 19, 2022, 10:13:13 AM
Are the tutorials well done? Old World doesn't seem particularly complex to me but what do I know.
Are skirmish games possible to set up? If I want to play as the Hittites vs. Persia can I do that?
And is there Steam workshop support?
Of course I am now not home, had to leave for a while with work getting done in my house, so I will have to purchase later :/
There is a LOT more going on under the apoarently simple surface.
Random example. If you build a worker in a city and then decide it needs to move to another city to help out with some urgent building project that worker will take an extra year (turn) to build anything than if you use a worker native to that city. Apparently workers dont like being forcibly sent to far flung parts of your empire away from their favourite bars and women and so moodily work slower :)
Second example....having Generals leading your armies makes a huge difference to their combat effectiveness but Generals can only lead troops of the same race so capturing tribal lands and their forces means only characters from that race can lead them....similar mechanics exist with city Governors where they have to be characters from the same family that founded the city. There are lots more involving the nuances of combat.
Skirmish games are definitely posdible. Smallish random map with your Hittites v the Persians is a breeze to set up. Though the AI does not receive extra bonuses on the lower difficulty levels they typically start with a couple of extra city sites settled so if you want to start on a totally level playing field you need to adjust that in the options settings (there are A LOT).
Re Steam Workshop it shows up in the store page for the game so it seems to be integrated.
@devoncoop. Is any of that detail explained anywhere or do you have to figure it out by trail and error? Thanks.
Quote from: Geezer on May 19, 2022, 10:46:37 AM
@devoncoop. Is any of that detail explained anywhere or do you have to figure it out by trail and error? Thanks.
The manual explains it all.
Manual?? bwahaha
Thank you for the above devoncop!
OK, thanks.
The manual by the way is very well put together and comes with strategy tips in each section it is explaining.
As an example in the section on managing discontent in your Empire it points out that the effectiveness of your troops varies depending upon how happy the family that recruited them are with your current leader. A very happy family can boost their troops effectiveness by up to 20% so the effect is not insignificant.
Edit : Because I am an a good egg I checked the Steam Workshop and it is already populated with over 40 mods including two for new nations, the Byzantines and the Mauryans...so there you go Gus.
^Are you messing with me? Byzantines you say??
I didn't read all 14 pages here but I take it the overall consensus is that it's a winner?
There are some very minor quibbles from the gallery but otherwise I say you can purchase with confidence.
OK, thanks. Sounds like a Happy Birthday preset to me coming on Sunday. :)
Indeed! Happy 71st.
Quote from: Geezer on May 19, 2022, 12:49:03 PM
OK, thanks. Sounds like a Happy Birthday preset to me coming on Sunday. :)
My birthday is also Sunday Geezer but because I asked for a replenishment of my whisky stocks from my wife for my birthday I got the bonus of beingcable to buy it today for myself as an early birthday present from me to me <:-)
I wonder if there will be a WW2 mod for this game? :)
Ok, I know, the game only covers the ancient and classical ages but hey, a gamer can dream right?
Quote from: devoncop on May 19, 2022, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Geezer on May 19, 2022, 12:49:03 PM
OK, thanks. Sounds like a Happy Birthday preset to me coming on Sunday. :)
My birthday is also Sunday Geezer but because I asked for a replenishment of my whisky stocks from my wife for my birthday I got the bonus of beingcable to buy it today for myself as an early birthday present from me to me <:-)
Good thinking! I could probably buy it today too and nobody would know but me. ;)
...and everyone else viewing this thread. We're good fellers, though. Well except for that guy in the back there. No not him...the other guy.
Quote from: Gusington on May 19, 2022, 02:38:01 PM
...and everyone else viewing this thread. We're good fellers, though. Well except for that guy in the back there. No not him...the other guy.
My family would never associate with you louts. ::)
My wife would mock us all for being total nerds. My son would say, "They're like Dad, but even crazier." His little sister would just say, "I don't know why you all have any problems. They're just like Daddy, and he's sweet."
The daughter's only mean to me when she wants something and other people aren't around. ;D
I'm a dork, not a nerd. BTW I subscribed to the Mohawk Games newsletter and for that I got a free Steam code to Offworld Trading Company. I just spent the last 30 minutes poking around in Old World and the amount of detail is eye watering.
^That's very good to hear! Getting ready to pull the trigger myself in a bit.
^All the cool kids (and I) are doing it.
Us Epic hipsters did it a year ago. I had monkey assassins way before Monkeypox made it cool.
You and your skinny jeans and your artisanal cheese and your Foals.
Trouble with being an early adopter "cool kid" of course is that now Old World has gone to Steam it has gone " too commercial man, and sold out" :peace: so Robot will be unable to bring himself to play it anymore. Its Dylan going electric all over again ;)
I am now well into tutorial 3 and the tutorials are a case study in how such things should be constructed. They show you the important concepts but after tutorial 1 which is short and basic, you are given objuctives to complete but given freedom to develop your nationaround those so you can make your own mistakes. In other words you feel you are already playing the game and not just being railroaded.
"Old World" Is the nursing home my wife threatens to send me to when I forget things around here. Now I can tell her, 'sure Dear' and sit down and play it. ^-^
Quote from: devoncop on May 19, 2022, 09:36:43 PM
Trouble with being an early adopter "cool kid" of course is that now Old World has gone to Steam it has gone " too commercial man, and sold out" :peace: so Robot will be unable to bring himself to play it anymore. Its Dylan going electric all over again ;)
I am now well into tutorial 3 and the tutorials are a case study in how such things should be constructed. They show you the important concepts but after tutorial 1 which is short and basic, you are given objuctives to complete but given freedom to develop your nationaround those so you can make your own mistakes. In other words you feel you are already playing the game and not just being railroaded.
Agreed. I finished the first tutorial last night and got the same feeling. This game looks promising.
Haha 'Dylan going electric' ;D
Quote from: Gusington on May 19, 2022, 07:55:51 PM
^All the cool kids (and I) are doing it.
I'm a cool kid too! ;D
Quote from: Gusington on May 20, 2022, 08:18:53 AM
Haha 'Dylan going electric' ;D
Some folk are still bitter about that 😂
Let me know what you think about Old World after you do the tutorials...I will be really interested to know .
Hoping to do at least a few of the tutorials this weekend. The 'old me' would try to wait until I got a little further in PoEII but the new me is saying 'f that.'
Quote from: Gusington on May 20, 2022, 11:34:22 AM
Hoping to do at least a few of the tutorials this weekend. The 'old me' would try to wait until I got a little further in PoEII but the new me is saying 'f that.'
The new Gus is making me laugh. Yes, 'f that' brother and just dive into Old World. :2funny:
But...but...PoE2 has, 'Sea Shanties'. Try competing with that. :P
^PoEII is really really good...I barely remember anything of the first one but this one is so much more gooder. I love the whole life at sea thang and the mix of Spanish, Venetian, native cultures, etc. Combat took some getting used to but I finally got it in the last couple of days...just in time for Old World to be released.
So I will be doing a very rare thing for OCD me and dropping everything to start the tutorials in Old World and my first campaign in Total War: Troy.
Still running on the high I got from finally starting a Three Kingdoms Total War campaign. Played for a about 25 hours until I got totally flummoxed on what I was supposed to be doing or how to do it. But I'll return to that game one day too.
I popped for it yesterday and worked thru the first two tutorials. Definitely seems interesting so far.
Tutorials are well done....moving on to number 4
POE II was tough for me. Took about a year to finish it since I kept stopping. Just didn't hold my interest for some reason. Never did figure out sea combat. Just rammed everything and boarded.
^I felt a bit similar about the original PoE.
Played the first two tutorials...there is a lot going on here!
Quote from: Gusington on May 20, 2022, 05:31:24 PM
Played the first two tutorials...there is a lot going on here!
+1
I just beat tutorial 3 and those fools who claimed this game was just Civ 5 with a couple of minor innovations re the CK3 aspects are being seriously shown up ! This is a pretty revolutionary game and I cannot see myself going back to the Civ series at this point. Interestingly the manual (yes I know you dont read manuals ;)) specifically points out that if you try and play the game like you play Civ you will get crushed 🙂
Tutorial 4 brings in lots of other bew stuff and I think the last tutorial after that we get to fight the Romans so looking forward to doing 4 later today.
^I'm going to start tutorial 3 right now :)
...and I finished it. Tutorial 3 is where the game really came together. Tons of mechanics but each individual one is rather simple...there are just a lot of them. The game gets addictive quickly. Religion is pretty detailed and very interesting too. Seems each faction is fleshed out similarly to the factions in a Civ game but with more depth and detail. Individual units are also customizable. All this and I have played only tutorials so far! Barely have scratched the surface.
I can see how all this detail can be overwhelming to some. I got tired at the end of the second tutorial but after some dinner and rest, really enjoyed tutorial three. I can see Old World getting 100s if not 1000s of hours out of me.
I think my first real playthrough will be as the Persians. Can't wait to see what modders come up with too. Old World should have some very long legs.
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Glad you are enjoying it Gus. I am a way into tutorial 4 now and fulfilling ambitions, having to buy wood on the market to avert a wood shortage and cranking out specialists to boost the cultural development of my cities. Alexander has been married off to keep one of the families happy (to a bit of a looker to be fair so he shouldnt complain😉) and the warrior General second son has been married into another of the families....
The Navy is my next task to fulfil another ambition...
All good.
How is the combat ? Heard some negative comments on that.
Quote from: Zulu1966 on May 21, 2022, 03:39:18 AM
How is the combat ? Heard some negative comments on that.
Haven't got to the combat tutorial yet Zulu as that is in the final tutorial number 5.
Having said that I have watched a lot of online Lets Plays which do include combat and I see no issues at all with it. As a result of the big variety of unit upgrades you can implement (max 5 for each unit) you can customise what strategies you can develop for your armies very precisely. The characteristics of Generals you appoint also influence the troops a lot.
Some of the criticism (bearing in mind the game has an 85% positive Steam rating) originates from unfamiliarity with the orders system I think. Yes, it allows enemy units that come from an ruler with high legitimacy to move a long way on occasions but in doing that they are freezing their civilian economies and government development as orders are limited.
Quote from: Gusington on May 20, 2022, 10:00:44 PM
...and I finished it. Tutorial 3 is where the game really came together. Tons of mechanics but each individual one is rather simple...there are just a lot of them. The game gets addictive quickly. Religion is pretty detailed and very interesting too. Seems each faction is fleshed out similarly to the factions in a Civ game but with more depth and detail. Individual units are also customizable. All this and I have played only tutorials so far! Barely have scratched the surface.
I can see how all this detail can be overwhelming to some. I got tired at the end of the second tutorial but after some dinner and rest, really enjoyed tutorial three. I can see Old World getting 100s if not 1000s of hours out of me.
I think my first real playthrough will be as the Persians. Can't wait to see what modders come up with too. Old World should have some very long legs.
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Just for you Gus...
The "Children of Deucallion" mod just hit Steam workshop allowing you to play as Sparta, Troy or Crete instead of having Philip as head of a unified Greece. :)
^Nice, but I hesitate to mod anything before my first playthrough...want to give the game a fair shot in its 'pure form' :)
I haven't got to combat yet but probably will today/tomorrow. What are people complaining about with it?
Quote from: Gusington on May 21, 2022, 08:04:21 AM
^Nice, but I hesitate to mod anything before my first playthrough...want to give the game a fair shot in its 'pure form' :)
I haven't got to combat yet but probably will today/tomorrow. What are people complaining about with it?
I think the complaints are from those who cannot get around the distance units can move in a turn if orders are concentrated on them. I just finished tutorial 3 and took two Thracian cities and the combat to me works like a dream. When you accept 1 turn is a year the distances seem entirely reasonable. The promotions you give your units are really important when deploying them and working out how to use their particular traits.
Gotcha
Completed the third tutorial. This one took me about 45 minutes to complete as I wasn't getting some key concepts. (i.e. how to influence people).
Finally figured it out. I'm glad I learned through the tutorial rather than just firing up a new game and blindly charging in. This game takes some preparation before you can effectively play it.
Side note: those character portraits are awesome. I love how people's faces change as they grow older.
Into tutorial 4.
Hint...you don't need to build new units (as I did) unless you want extra insurance to fight the Romans as you get given an army a few turns in to deploy against them.
Upgrades to your guys and assigning Generals and assigning decent Generals is essential though...should be fun :bd:
I am also in Tutorial 4...I love the Ambition/Legacy mechanic.
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Philip was assassinated! And things were going so swimmingly too :/ Welcome...Alexander!
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These tutorials are very good...they feel almost like mini-campaigns.
Agree totally Gus.
There are some complaints that sone folk said they were too long so skipped the last tutorial or two. Those same folk then generally post complaints about a mechanic that is explained in the tutorials they couldn't be arsed with completing saing it is not clear how it works ::)
Scourge of the instagram age. Short attention spans.
I am really looking forward to starting my first game proper but only if I beat the bloody Romans in tutorial 4 !
I picked it up for my birthday today. Played the first two tutorials so far. Very well done. Should be many hours of fun in this one.
^Happy birthday! And yeah I see myself playing Old World for 100s if not 1000s of hours.
Just got done with tutorial 4...devon just to be clear once you defeat the Thracians at the end of tutorial 4, it then moves on to tutorial 5 where you assemble an army and then go to war against Rome. I save that for tomorrow :)
Then on to my first proper game! Not sure if I will try a scripted campaign or a skirmish as the Persians.
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Sorry...my mistake ...I am on tutorial 5 now...I lose track :)....that is where you face the Romans in the last tutorial.
So difficult to decide my first proper playthrough ....and on what difficulty level !
Just because of the buzz on this page, I just got it. Now where do I go to buy more free time? ;D
All I can add is - beware assassin goldfish.
;D
Tutorials finished. Rome in ruins :bd:
I think for my first playthrough I will go for a normal type difficulty but change the option for AI Empires so they start with just the one city like me rather than their usual 3.
I will expect to be crushed nonetheless but it may take them longer. :hide:
Having now done more of the combat the system is very good. The AI does gang up on your units so protecting the flanks really is important.
Wait wait, go back: what was PoE2 again??
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 23, 2022, 07:52:42 AM
Wait wait, go back: what was PoE2 again??
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Devon which faction are you playing as? I kick Rome's arse tonight and then it's time for me to put on my Old World Big Boy Pants and start a real game. Also how many difficulty levels are there? I think I read or saw somewhere that there are seven? I could be remembering that wrong.
Hi Gus.
The two easiest nations for beginners are apparently Rome and Babylon (strong armies and strong economy respectively) though this was written before the Hittites arrived and not sure where they are ranked. Needless to say I am therefore going to ignore this advice and will have a crack at the Egyptians. :)
Will be playing on "The Good" difficulty which guarantees no declarations of war against me for at least 40 turns and in the advanced set up options am reducing the AI starting development from "fledgling" to "none" so the AI only starts with one city and not two so its a level playing field. You are right there are about 7 difficulty levels and "The Good" is one of the easier ones but from what I have heard that will be plenty for the first game !
As for maps I considered playing a historical map, maybe the Mediterranean or the Eastern med but have decided on a random medium map for a first go.
Let me know which civ and options you go for.
Heh I'm definitely ignoring the advice as well - Persia calls. I never play anything on difficulty higher than 'Normal' as AIs usually punch me right in the face...so I'm thinking of taking my first real game on either the 3rd or 4th difficulty tier. I also like using historically accurate maps. I like the Old World feature of offering the opportunity to change the name of geographic features that the player is first to discover too.
Dial the difficulty down to "The Just" or lower for your first few attempts at the game. The AI is generally quite good at slapping you silly.
Is 'The Just' the 2nd/3rd level out of the 7? I am not afraid to take that advice, just to get a grip.
The Just is the level above "The Good" that I am attempting.
If you hover over each of the drop down levels it tells you the implications of each.
Gotcha - hoping I can overrun the world with an army of Persian immortals in my first proper game.
Quote from: Gusington on May 23, 2022, 12:41:17 PM
Gotcha - hoping I can overrun the world with an army of Persian immortals in my first proper game.
I can see my ungrateful brat of a step son is going to be a literal right royal pain in the ass and I have Greeks to the SW and Persians to the East so far....I have little faith my Egyptian levies will hold v the Immortals if Darius kicks off.
The 1st Rangers (big bonuses attacking from trees )....have the honour of being conmanded by a very competent drunk with more tree fighting bonuses...so we shall lurk menacingly.
'a very competent drunk' - I like it
Quote from: Gusington on May 23, 2022, 01:34:20 PM
'a very competent drunk' - I like it
Ulysses S. Grant is in the game? ;)
;D
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Quote from: Gusington on May 23, 2022, 01:34:20 PM
'a very competent drunk' - I like it
Ulysses S. Grant is in the game? ;)
One of his distant Egyptian relations.... ;)
So now 42 turns in and Egypt has something of a crisis underway with a 13 year old King ruling with no heir ...His father was killed in a duel with a Thracian warlord whose camp the Egytians had just overrun, shortly after taking the throne and his eldest sister , who wasof course particularly capable came to an early end at the hands of the plague :pullhair:
In score terms my Egyptians hold the narrowest of leads over the Romans,Greeks and Persians but it all depends on the 13 year old sticking around.
Fantastic game.
Just finished Tutorial 3 and my brain hurts! So much stuff going on. This is nothing like Civ and I'm glad.
^Me too! Going in to the final tutorial now.
Ok, in the final phases of the last tutorial and my scout keeps getting discovered by the Romans - anyone have any suggestions?
Be sneakier?
Quote from: Gusington on May 23, 2022, 09:14:11 PM
Ok, in the final phases of the last tutorial and my scout keeps getting discovered by the Romans - anyone have any suggestions?
Gus you have to finish each turn with your scout in woods. Scouts can never be seen in woods. What it means in practice is scooting (as opposed to scouting ;)) around at the beginning of your turns looking for the Romans and with your final action with your scout sending him into some woods. If you find you cant reach woods then use a "forced march" extra turn by spending training points to get you back into cover.
^Hmm ok I did that - and found not the Roman army but farms and such. Do I just leave the scout in the woods and not move him once I find the Romans?
The Roman army is amongst a load of tents virtually due west of your position around the centre of the map....they have a city and farms and stuff further south so you may just have found that.
Ah ok yes I did find the very furthest reaches of those farms, etc. So I'm just supposed to send the scout to patrol around them, in the tree cover? I think I went to close to them and lost my cover, multiple times :/
Quote from: Gusington on May 24, 2022, 07:41:48 AM
Ah ok yes I did find the very furthest reaches of those farms, etc. So I'm just supposed to send the scout to patrol around them, in the tree cover? I think I went to close to them and lost my cover, multiple times :/
Yes exactly that Gus. Keep skirting the Roman territory with your scout to the north of the farms you found and you should find the bath dwellers ;). Be aware if you take too long the Romans can expand north blocking off access for your scout.
My Egyptians are now in second place just behind the bloody Romans again and I now have a 10 year old on the throne as the habitual inbreeding of the Egyptian royalty appears to be doing nothing for their robust health qualities ::)
Egypt has fought off a couple of tribal invasions but has been playing a game of three dimensional diplomatic chess to avoid being stomped by the superior Roman military.
I am finding my training point and civics generation to be sub par which is hamstringing the Egyptian military a bit. Still, turn 62 and we are still in it !
Bath dwellers?! And also I did not know I could be cut off - so I cannot just sit in the woods and wait either.
Thanks devon!
Took long enough for my peeps to arrive...
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And...finally...my scout has succeeded :bd:
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Top job Gus. Now make sure you get the highlighted hexes filled up with your army as you move it forward....then you get a prompt to attack the Romans ....just move a unit onto Roman territory and you get asked if you want to declare war. Soon as you say yes the turn continues and you can attack in the same turn you declare so make sure you are fully in position before you go....Then the fun starts ..... Enjoy !
Nice. I actually used combat units like chariots and slingers to 'carve a path' safely for my scout to jump amidst the trees and find the Romans. Not sure if the developers planned for players to do that or if it is a nerf. Either way I can't wait to wrap up this final part and start a true game.
Where are you in your game?
I'm also in the middle of the 5th tutorial. I finally found a path for my scout to discover the whereabouts of the Roman army. Interestingly I didn't carve a path but was able to sneak my scout around.
I also got an event that said my wife died and believe it or not the first thing I did was to try to find another wife for the king. The only option I saw though was to either marry the Roman queen, as the Roman king also died recently, or marry some fugly dame that was part of my cabinet.
The other thing I like doing is marrying my sons to the prettiest girl I can find regardless of how bad or good her traits are. I'm so shallow! LOL
Every time I attempted to sneak I was caught :/
Me too until I realized that as long as you have the sufficient number of movement points it's ok for your scout to be out in the open. You just have to make sure you end your turn in the woods somewhere.
^Yeah I finally grasped that - after using combat units for 'cover.'
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2022, 07:11:53 AM
Nice. I actually used combat units like chariots and slingers to 'carve a path' safely for my scout to jump amidst the trees and find the Romans. Not sure if the developers planned for players to do that or if it is a nerf. Either way I can't wait to wrap up this final part and start a true game.
Where are you in your game?
Good to see your ingenuity got you there !
I am at turn 92 and have slipped to 3rd on 19 points behind the Romans and Persians on 22. I have the Greeks and Persians between me and the Romans in the south and my ambassador managed to get the Ronans into a 40 year truce after they declared on me before their Legions got to me. Nice job.
I am about to complete another ambition so that will be 4 so that may give me another point or two. Its a close game !
You put this game together yourself in the sandbox or was it premade? How are you feeling about the AI? I get the vibe it's going to school me.
I went a medium completely random map on "The Good" difficulty with the AI custom restricted to just the one city at the start rather than the couple that the default setting gives them but everything else was left on default. I rolled a pretty flat map, largely landmass.
Playing on the mediterranean historic map looks interesting as well though. The Egyptians are apparently well advised to try and take the Lebanon and the current Israel on that map as otherwise they struggle for lack of wood.
The AI even on this setting looks pretty decent and plays logically. There have been some wars between them and the Romans and Persians in particular seem to have a beef with each other.
^Ooh I like the sound of a historical Med map. Are there many smaller kingdoms scattered about? I've read that each game has a lot of lesser powers, I think.
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2022, 09:23:28 AM
^Ooh I like the sound of a historical Med map. Are there many smaller kingdoms scattered about? I've read that each game has a lot of lesser powers, I think.
I dont think the tribes vary . You are likely to come across the Danes in some unlikely places :). On the other hand I think the factions themselves start off in pretty historic positions but not sure until I give it a roll.
Cool, very much looking forward to my first regular game.
Ok so I started fighting the Romans tonight and they have MANY units. And three cities, from what I can tell. To finally win I have to take all three. And the Romans are smacking me around proper!! :timeout: I knew this was going to be more difficult than it initially seemed :/
Any advice for knocking out the Romans and finally winning?
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Righto...
Firstly before you attack you should make sure as many of your guys as possible are promoted as many ranks as possible....Focus and Flanking promotions I find particularly useful but situationally all call be pretty powerful. Secondly add generals to all the units you can...especially the Cavalry you are given who are great at getting around the flanks and rear of the Roman line. Note flanking only works if the target unit is actually engaged by another unit already from the front.
Have your Onagers be close behind to bombard any Roman troops in the cities to reduce their protection.
It is always better to eliminate one unit with multiple attacks on a turn than damage 3 or 4 with different attacks as the Romans are on their own territory so can choose to heal up in their turn, something that Greek units cannot do on Roman territory.
When you are about to launch the initial attack have your leader use the " launch offensive" action, this gives the units around him and his own units 2 attacks on that turn and is very powerful.
Other than the above all the usual advice in this era applies....use spears v any cavalry he has, or against his slingers. Use axemen v his foot ...axemen hit the unit in front of them with 100% damage and the 2 either side of them with 25% damage with the " cleave" ability.
All the above should do it. :)
BTW....after you take the second city you get the option to finish the tutorial then rather than press on to the third one..
(I am now at turn 110 in my game and the Romans have been attacked by the Greeks and the Persians in an almighty scrap after both Greece and Persia agreed 40 year non aggression treaties with me to secure their rear as they moved south. Nice AI logic and good to see. I am now 2nd on 25 points behind the Persians on 28.... :bd:)
Thanks! I was slowly grinding them down after doing most of what you listed above. The AI actually counter-attacked, took back one of their cities and started bombarding one of mine, opening up another front! Bastards. I am now churning out hoplites to send to the front but this has turned into a war of attrition, which I wasn't expecting. When I move into a Roman urban area, I also burn everything down.
Definitely the most in depth tutorial I have played in a long time - much more like a mini-campaign.
You got that right !
Its a much better approach you learn a lot more.
I have decided to attack Greece in my first proper game who are in 4th place in an attempt to catch up on the Persians and the Romans and I have taken Pella but the Greeks also launched a desperate counter attack and I lost quite a few units. The AI is very competent ! This is not a Civ game :)
I have now sent my ambassador asking for peace and a tribute from Greece....lets hope it works....I now see the Persians loitering around my eastern border with my battered armies mostly in the south west in Greece.....
Yeah I really did not expect the AI to be that advanced!
I've seen reviews and players say that the campaigns here are not nearly as long and sprawling as Civ campaigns, obviously because the focus is much tighter. Like 200-300 turns per game.
Wow! I haven't advanced my progress in the 5th tutorial beyond discovering the location of the Roman army but it sounds like this one is going to be a challenge.
Very good to hear the ai can actually wage a good war and hitting where it hurts.
I would seriously advise new players not to ramp up the difficulty levels in your first proper playthrough.
"The Good" is no walkover as a starting level and though I am no genius at these games I beat Civ on Noble more often than not.
Re the length of the game, because of all of the events that show up and decisions you have to make when your first proper game is underway my 118 turns so far feel like 4 or 5 times as long in Civ terms. A lot has happened both to my leaders, families, religion and with the other AI's so the standard 200 turn game certainly wont feel short.
^Yes each turn is full of great, interesting stories and plot twists.
I am chomping at the bit to get the first real game set up but don't want to start until I have beat the damned tutorial!
I keep checking in to see if Gus and W8 have stomped the Romans yet :)
Greeks accepted the peace so I gain Pella and Peregon. Egypt now on 30, Rome 34,Persia 35....turn 128.
The rout ability of Cavalry is lethal as they can keep attacking another unit if they destroy one in an attack. Greek chariots took out quite a few Egyptian archers this way after other units had softened up several of the Egyptian infantry units....Beware. :hide:
I am hoping to finally wrap up my win tonight.
I don't mean to sound like a broken record but methinks that I will probably lose my first attempt at tutorial 5 due to being obsessed with finding a hot wife for my in game son.
devoncop & Gus you're right. There really is a story to be told every turn with this game. But the way the game presents itself in terms of gameplay mechanics all of these family and governing issues that have to be dealt with doesn't seem annoyingly distracting.
^I have become overwhelmed at times with all the info, especially if I am playing late at night or after work, etc.
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2022, 01:17:37 PM
^I have become overwhelmed at times with all the info, especially if I am playing late at night or after work, etc.
To be fair my own extended family have that effect on me even if its early morning and being retired🙄
I have entered spring allergy season and don't feel mentally up with continuing tutorial 4 while under the influence of antihistamines. :))
Hahaha antihistamines could potentially make everything better - including dealing with real family.
I don't think I will ever beat this final tutorial mission against Rome. I am leading Rome in points but I just cannot break the stalemate. Maybe I missed something early on in the war and should start again? Or maybe just f it and move on and start an actual game... :/
Yes maybe just roll a proper game.
You will have learnt about combat which is the point of the tutorial so no great loss...call it an honourable draw 😉
My game has now got to turn 150....and only a single VP in it with Persia on 40 and my Egyotians on 39 with the Romans back on 30, Babylon on 27 and my arch enemies the Greeks on the verge of elimination....the tension is rising !
My last king ruled for over 45 years which helped a ton with Legitimacy and orders after I had been hamstrung by a number of rulers dying young.
Persia is my best buddy diplomatically though my spies have been successfully stealing research from them.... for nearly the whole game Babylon and Persia have been in an alliance which prevents me attacking either of them unless I gat a diplomat leader and I can try allying with Rome....
Quote from: Gusington on May 26, 2022, 09:39:46 PM
I don't think I will ever beat this final tutorial mission against Rome. I am leading Rome in points but I just cannot break the stalemate. Maybe I missed something early on in the war and should start again? Or maybe just f it and move on and start an actual game... :/
Reminds me of Anno 1800. Always lost the tutorial.
Might be better to start a normal game than play the tutorial over and over again.
^I agree with both of you. I think I will re-start the final tutorial just once more after reading up a bit on it, and then if I still can't win...move on.
Funny you mention Anno 1800 Pete...I want to love that game so badly but that tutorial always kicked my arse as well.
Devon have you tried playing as different factions yet? I'm so curious as to how they compare to each other and how they are the same/different.
In the Total War games a lot of the factions, especially with mods, really felt different over the course of multiple games over the years, it would be great if that was the same here with Old World.
I beat the last tutorial pretty quickly. Not sure how. Not sure why. But I did!
Quote from: GibbyG on May 27, 2022, 08:48:23 AM
I beat the last tutorial pretty quickly. Not sure how. Not sure why. But I did!
Yes I did okay on that one too. It helped me tgat I didnt realise an army would turn up for the Greeks so I had begun building some units already and threw those into the fray when it kicked off too ;)
Gus the factions do play very differently it seems. Egypt is much more of an economic powerhouse whilst Rome has big advantages with its military and Carthage is strong with its trade and naval abilities and its ability to use mercs.
Having said that I am only just getting to the end of my Egyptian playthrough (turn 154 out of 200) so I will find that out definitively soon ! I finally moved into the lead last turn....44 to 41 over Persia but their armies are swirling around and they may decide that our good relations may have to come to an end !
^Awesome. I read (I think on YouTube) that Carthage is an 'advanced faction' and should not be attempted by n00bs like me.
In the final tutorial I am in the lead ahead of Rome but our numbers are just sitting there and not increasing because we are always taking out each other's units, and I am constantly burning down parts of the Roman cities. I can't build up enough steam to totally knock Rome out though and as of my final turn last night they were beginning a counter offensive to take the one city I did manage to get from them!
Sounds like a fine scrap Gus !
You are certainly getting some combat experience. O0
Turn 164 for me and my Egyptians are just 10 points from victory with good relations with Rome,Babylon and Persia so a war looks unlikely which should mean I grab the win. :)
Looking at the game settings for "The Good" difficulty it seems AI aggressiveness is set to peaceful which explains why the wars I have fought either I have initiated v Greece or have occured as a result of an event (again v Greece) where I got attacked.
It has been a really useful first game and the ability of the Egyptians to sweep up most of the collapsing Greek Empire made the difference as I now hold 13 cities and as each reaches a new level of development I get VP's. The city list screen at the top left set of symbols (looks like a house) is REALLY useful as it tells you everything you need to know about your cities including how many years til they gain a new level of development.
Next game I will up the difficulty level ....it nay be much shorter !
I wonder what the difficulty level is for these tutorials...the Romans seem pretty pissed off hahaha
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I wonder what the difficulty level is for these tutorials...the Romans seem pretty pissed off hahaha
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Since the goal of the scenario is to fight Rome it was probably set to Angry Badger (or its equivalent).
^Angry Badger sounds a little too high...that's angry!
I am officially calling the final tutorial a stalemate. I may restart it to see where I went wrong or I may dive in to a brand new game. In the meantime while slogging through it I converted ancient Greece to Judaism :bd:
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...and literally the very next turn the AI founded Christianity :dreamer:
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Watching this tutorial I think I have found what I was doing wrong in Greece vs. Rome...I thought I was going to have to take every tile around a city (hamlets, farms, etc.) when I really just had to take the one central urban tile, and wasted so many resources in doing so that I just exhausted Greece into a stalemate. I also did not take civics boosts when I had the chance. Now I'm tempted to try it one more time.
Yes lots of nuances to the game as has been said .
You can do Gus.....I have faith !
I now have a real cliffhanger on my hands as with 16 turns to go I need 7 more VP's to win by reaching 58 points but the Persians are coming up fast on the rails with just 1 point less than my Egyptians. I have a couple of Wnders building and have reached the end of the tech tree in a couple of places all of which should accrue me points but only one more city is due to upgrade in tine so I may fall short...I thought I had an Ambition sorted to have peace with every faction but just as the Vandals were about the be the final piece of the jigsaw in a diplomatic initiative by my Ambassador, the Egyptian King died...his heir is a stroppy cow who the Ronans hate so they abandoned their Peace agreement ! :pullhair:
I got the win !
Score victory on turn 195 out of 200 :)
The statistics tab on the victory screen is well worth looking at later. It not only shows you where you are ranked in various categories but also exactly how all the others have done (I was 4th on military units created....Rome had created 164 to my 64 but Rome had lost 130 in its perennialnwars with the Babylonian/Persian alliance).
The moral of the story is you can play a diplomatic game and win but if you can sweep up some cities from the weakest AI nation at some point it helps a lot with VP's as those cities can then develop.
Advice for a first game is play on " The Good" level but set AI to just the one starting city but increase its aggressiveness to "normal".
EDIT:
New game is on the Good level again but this time as as Carthage with normal rather than passive AI aggression but playing on the Old World full map v all other AI.....
Congrats! I'm still working through the tutorials and should have them done by now but RL keeps getting in the way.
Quote from: Geezer on May 28, 2022, 06:16:28 AM
Congrats! I'm still working through the tutorials and should have them done by now but RL keeps getting in the way.
Real life is overrated ;)
Well done! Is this a specific type of victory or all-around points victory? Sounds like the latter.
I am going to start the final tutorial later today. May be cheating since I have studied up so much on it but hey whateva...
Quote from: Gusington on May 28, 2022, 11:07:48 AM
Well done! Is this a specific type of victory or all-around points victory? Sounds like the latter.
I am going to start the final tutorial later today. May be cheating since I have studied up so much on it but hey whateva...
Yeah points victory...I got to 58 points which all the factions were aiming for. I had 8/10 ambitions done but missed out on a few.
^Nice. I hope to get to the meat of the game later today :nerd:
I am thinking of trying out either the Hittites or Assyrians in my first game...civs I never really have had an interest in...before trying out the others like Persia, Carthage, etc...that I have a very deep interest in.
Is there a roadmap available anywhere of where Old World is headed? Very curious about future development. It definitely seems to be a hit and loved by most.
This vid, same YouTuber as I posted above, shows how to properly take cities in Old World for anyone who needs *ahem* assistance...like me.
Be interested in how you get on as the Hittites or Assyrians...
I am starting my Carthage playthrough tomorrow morning but have been considering doing the "Rise of Carthage" Campaign instead as they play very differently to other factions, being able to buy up and recruit tribesmen in large numbers but only being able to put Generals on them if those Generals have some of the same tribe bloodline. In the Campaign I am hoping that the specific Carthaginian mechanics may be walked through a bit . The tribal recruits only have 2/3 of the standard movement though so are less useful for quick strikes.
^Sounds interesting.
FINALLY :buck2:
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Nice!
No tutorial has ever taken me 12 hours to complete :/
I can see playing this for 100s of hours, easily.
Playing first game as Rome, because the other 50 games I have on Rome just don't quite scratch the itch. Decide to attack Hatti. Didn't know they were in an alliance with Persia. It was ugly.
Starting a new game?
Nice to see the game clicking for some people....tried it, but just couldn't get into it. Too much going on for my simple mind I suppose.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 28, 2022, 07:23:54 PM
Nice to see the game clicking for some people....tried it, but just couldn't get into it. Too much going on for my simple mind I suppose.
You're not alone. It did not click for me in early access...however, it is on my list of things to give another go. It's a very long list.
Quote from: Gusington on May 28, 2022, 05:51:38 PM
No tutorial has ever taken me 12 hours to complete :/
I can see playing this for 100s of hours, easily.
Great job Gus !
You are not the only one seeing this as a total timesink :)
I can see how some folk may find it doesnt click as it is much more different yo the Civ series than it looks on screenshots bit it hits a sweetspot for me with its families and CK lite mechanics as to befrank Crusader Kings overwhelmed me with its depth and its UI.
I also find the presentation to be top notch.
Onwards and upwards Gus....!
Thanks devon :D
I did get overwhelmed at some points with all the info to digest...but at most of those points thankfully it was more like a labor of love. I found the combat to be satisfying too, hoping for some epic sieges to come.
This is the game that I "subscribed" to Epic to get after being disappointed in Humankind. I just could not wait on the Steam release. It is nice to see others enjoying it.
Really enjoying the "Rise of Carthage" Canpaign .
You get ten objectives to complete within 100 years which are gradually revealed to you. To get a " Gold" Victory to need to get all ten....I am at 6/10 so far with about 40 years gone . It shows what a great faction the Carthaginians are for a diplomatic playthrough and you are dealing with the Libyan and Numidian tribes as well as rogue tribal raiders as well as developing a navy.
I would say it is nice mixture betwen a tutorial on how to play the Carthaginians well, an interesting learning exercise on the history and a full game of Old World.
The Campaign includies allnthe way up to the Punic War in scenario 3 I believe and encompasses a big nadal fight with the Romans.... :)
I am never one to play scenarios rather than full games but this is a very different beast and I see myself tackling the Heroes of the Agean after Carthage, before I return to a full Old World experience.
Quote from: Gusington on May 28, 2022, 06:43:03 PM
Starting a new game?
I am! Now just need to decide who
^I am going to go with either the Assyrians or Hittites first. The Persia. Then the Aegean campaign.
All subject to change as the wind blows of course.
I played through the tutorial yesterday. I've got a pretty decent grasp on game fundamentals but still feel unsure about some of the character aspects. Such as whether to assign someone to a role if they have negative modifiers. I know that some games it's best to fill all roles because bonuses gained offset any negative modifiers but am still unsure with Old World. There's a lot going on with keeping all the families happy. Good thing I've got Shadow Empire under my belt to prepare me.
Quote from: Sparhawk on May 29, 2022, 03:05:18 PM
I played through the tutorial yesterday. I've got a pretty decent grasp on game fundamentals but still feel unsure about some of the character aspects. Such as whether to assign someone to a role if they have negative modifiers. I know that some games it's best to fill all roles because bonuses gained offset any negative modifiers but am still unsure with Old World. There's a lot going on with keeping all the families happy. Good thing I've got Shadow Empire under my belt to prepare me.
Even characters with negative modifiers usually have some positive ones. It all depends on the categories of the modifiers. Playing as Egypt or Carthage which are economically strong but militarily not as strong as others a negative multiplier on Governor currency generation will be of little consequence if there are no better alternatives whilst a negative modifier for attack or defence on a General for example for the same nations would be something to avoid in my opinion.
Damn, sat down to play this for a couple of hours at 7pm and just quit here at almost midnight. Going to take some discipline to leave this alone and get my other games taken care of.
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Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 28, 2022, 07:23:54 PM
Nice to see the game clicking for some people....tried it, but just couldn't get into it. Too much going on for my simple mind I suppose.
You're not alone. It did not click for me in early access...however, it is on my list of things to give another go. It's a very long list.
Yeah, I hope to give it another try someday. I have had it since it was first released on Epic and have tried a couple of times. I am sure it's a good game for those that can handle all the details. Guess something simple like Sniper Elite that doesn't require too many brain cells better suited for me:)
So I started my first proper game, but in the set-up I did not see any menu for selecting AI opponents...where is that? Or are opponents just randomly assigned?
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Select "Multiplayer", then "Hotseat", you can select specific opponents and set them to "AI".
^Thanks! That's a little roundabout/unintuitive eh...
Certainly is.
Ok with matt3916's help I have started a real game, Hittites versus the Assyrians. I'm roughly 35 turns in and have been having a good time, I have accomplished 2 out of 10 ambitions so far (producing 400 units of iron, sending out two caravans to Assyria).
However, for the life of me, I do not know what I cannot establish a second city. In the tutorials it was cut and dry - send your settler to a city tile...found city...done.
Now, in this random skirmish game, I keep getting the message that I do not have the city tiles connected to my main city and so can't found another...what am I doing wrong?
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You don't found on a city "tile", you found on a city "site". If the hex you're trying to establish on doesn't have "city site" in white text, it can't be used to found a city. Edit -- the "city site" hex itself or one of the surrounding green shaded hexes.
From the steam forums, "If you look on the map you should see two types of urban tiles. Normal urban like you describe, and city sites. City sites are labelled as such and allow founding a city on it or a connected urban tile."
And also, "You need to settle on one of the clusters of urban tiles and not the isolated ones. If you're wondering what the point of them is, wait until you expand your borders."
Further edit, from the rules "Also be aware that if you decide you don't want a given city site, you can turn it into a minor city (worth money and 2VP's) by expanding your borders such that all non-urban tiles adjacent to the city are inside your borders."
Lot to this game.
Hi Gus.
Ran across this in my Carthage Campaign yesterday. I think it literally means you cannot build a city from a single isolated City site as it needs to be connected to a second potential city site adjacent to it.....so basically two or more city site tiles together are needed before you can found a city
I got a Gold victory in the first Rise of Carthage scenario but before I tackle the second I think I will play a proper full game as Rome today....something militaristic which will be very different from my usual playstyle....
Thanks guys - founding a city was so simple in the tutorials! Will try again tonight.
Still can't found my 2nd Hittite city :nerd: ...is this a case of having to research the correct techs first, spreading my control over more tiles, etc.? I know when I finally do it, it will seem ridiculously obvious looking back :pullhair:
Went back and looked at the above posts and don't see any clear cut obvious reasons that I am being held back :/
Use your scout to find a city tile on the map somewhere. Camp your unit on that spot so the AI doesn't snag it. Build a settler in your city. Move it to the city tile (it should be highlighted in green when the settler is selected) and click build city. You'll get an option of which family will found the new city.
Looking at your original screen shot, that settler is NOT on a city site, he's on an independent urban site.
Not all urban hexes are city sites. If you don't see the green shading then you're not on an urban site where you can found a city.
Yes, as mentioned above Gus, it must have the words " City Site" written on the map next to it. If not it is not eligible. You cant go founding Las Vegas in the Minnesota plains with just a couple of prairie bushes and the bones of a couple of coyotes you know ;)
My run of success is coming to a shuddering halt in my Roman game I fear at the hands of a concerted Persian counter attack after i destroyed a Persian slinger that had rather rudely sat on a vacant City Site I had a settler en route to near Rome...I lost 5 units in tge punch up over the area so it hqs set me back quite a bit. Upping the AI aggression and difficulty level may have been a Bridge to Far....I have bribed the Hittites to declare war on the Persians but not sure how capable they are.
Clearly I'm becoming obsessed with this. Will try again tonight. Are city sites that rare?
And FWIW I posted this question on Steam last night and got a response overnight.
Yes I just read that reply. No way after 50 turns you shouldnt have come across multiple City Sites...after about 40 turns of my Rome game I have settled 4 and been booted out of another by the Persians. The AI is very quick at trying to grab any city sites it comes across so it is vital you grab some within the first 20 turns or so. Scouts are critical early on for finding these and warriors can usually grab some off barbarians and/tribes.
If you found no sites to settle then that is really weird. If you have gone 50 turns with just one city then a restart may be needed ;)
^I was just thinking the same thing. Recalling my last turn, there are scattered Assyrian units around the map...they must have claimed those tiles while I was puttering about. Would it be worth it going to war to get a tile?? Or should I just acquiesce and restart...
Also noticed that there were no barbarian tribes in my game. I could swear that I have the game set with tribes active. Another reason to restart, I suppose.
Quote from: Gusington on June 01, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
^I was just thinking the same thing. Recalling my last turn, there are scattered Assyrian units around the map...they must have claimed those tiles while I was puttering about. Would it be worth it going to war to get a tile?? Or should I just acquiesce and restart...
Also noticed that there were no barbarian tribes in my game. I could swear that I have the game set with tribes active. Another reason to restart, I suppose.
Yeah...restart needed :-)
Grab the City sites as a priority then you can putter about a bit ;)
BTW...just sent you a Friend request on Steam so I can see what you are up to :).
Dammit. Ok I will restart. Accepted your Steam request.
Clearly Old World has sunk it's hooks into me. Can't remember the last time I enjoyed learning as much as this.
I guess one positive from this is the AI is clearly more competent than I am. For now.
Early game priority one should be scouting the map. Find the city sites and secret bonus tiles. If you find another civ near a city site, park one of your units on it so they can't take it. Might be worth thumping some tribes as well if you're short on build sites. I try to get a minimum of 4 cities built before I really start switching focus to improvements. Helps if you can keep the cities fairly close together and build roads fairly early on as well
I scouted like the Dickens! But didn't realize the Assyrians were snatching tiles up :/
Learning by doing and colossal failure and then trying again.
All that said I do like that Old World games are not as long as Civ games.
Four city sites is about the best I've been able to grab at the start. Then I start looking for tribal or barbarian sites to take and occupy and settle. This last run as Greece I managed to grab an extra 3 sites that way but it was a struggle trying to beat some of the other factions to them.
^Started a new game as Assyria vs. Babylon. And just to show that I am not mental, I have established three new cities. See below screenshot. And now in this new game I have seen barbarians as well - I took this city tile from 'Danes.'
That said, I have not seen or heard from Babylon yet. Fine, it's very early in the game - I'll chalk it up to having not discovered them. However, the entire family dynamic of the game seems to be...gone? In founding two cities I was not asked which families to assign them too, and I have not seen any info on my ruler or court at all.
WTF?
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Characters are "Off" by default for multiplayer games. You have to go into the start menu for MP and scroll down to turn them on.
Choosing particular opponents isn't especially user friendly.
There is an option in setup to disable all the family rpg type elements and to play it as a straight 4X....(though why on earth anyone would want to do that is beyond me) . Are you sure you haven't turned that option on when altering other settings ?
If not it may be worth verifying your Steam files or doing a clean install as it may be the game files have become corrupted somehow. I assume you havent modded the game at all ?
Thank you both - must be the default setting that matt mentions above. There is so much here that I enjoy, so I am determined to learn as I'm setting up games. Lots to learn, though.
Devon I have not modded the game at all.
I'll set up another new game late tonight when I'm back home at my pc and be mindful of all those pesky start up buttons and options.
Quote from: Gusington on June 02, 2022, 05:49:27 AM
Thank you both - must be the default setting that matt mentions above. There is so much here that I enjoy, so I am determined to learn as I'm setting up games. Lots to learn, though.
Devon I have not modded the game at all.
I'll set up another new game late tonight when I'm back home at my pc and be mindful of all those pesky start up buttons and options.
That's the spirit :bd:
It is driving me slightly batty but hey whateva :crazy2:
Haven't played the game in a few days after I finished tutorial 5.
So in order to play a single player game I have to go through the multiplayer setup and dial in all the options I want?
Quote from: W8taminute on June 02, 2022, 07:33:29 AM
So in order to play a single player game I have to go through the multiplayer setup and dial in all the options I want?
When you start a multiplayer game you can select specific (AI) opponents.
If you don't care about that, you just start a single player game.
That startup menu for a multiplayer game is also filled with less than obvious options too, as I've been discovering...like turning off the entire family dynamic of the game, turning off barbarians and tribes, etc.
Gonna try again tonight to tweak it exactly as I want it. I hope in a future update they make the setup a little less opaque and a little more user friendly.
Old World has some great gameplay and it would be a shame for players to get too frustrated with the setup to not experience it.
Quote from: Gusington on June 02, 2022, 09:26:43 AM
That startup menu for a multiplayer game is also filled with less than obvious options too, as I've been discovering...like turning off the entire family dynamic of the game, turning off barbarians and tribes, etc.
Gonna try again tonight to tweak it exactly as I want it. I hope in a future update they make the setup a little less opaque and a little more user friendly.
Old World has some great gameplay and it would be a shame for players to get too frustrated with the setup to not experience it.
As I only play single player I find the start up options very clear but it does sound like MP complicates things needlessly. I am curious why you decided to set up your 1 v 1 game via MP as you can set up a 1v1 with tribes and barbarians very easily in the SP menu.... ?
Or do you want to only face a particular faction ?
^Yes for my first few games I only want to play 1:1, and specific factions...I'm particular :-"
How are you setting your games up?
Ah Gotcha. I have never been too particular as some of my ex liasons could testify ;)
I am going medium map size, "The Good" difficulty, AI aggressiveness normal, a random seaside map for now and with 3 random opponents. Tribes and barbarians in play with both on default settings. Seems a good sweetspot for now.
Still learning so much about the nuances of the game and realising how I have been getting things wrong every play session !
^Pfft I think my track record here for getting things wrong is speaking for itself.
Have you used any maps larger than medium? Maps feel a little small for me so far.
Not yet...trying to get a handle on things though maybe two other factions on a medium map should feel bigger.
I am about halfway through my Assyria vs. Babylon campaign and tonight Babylon, Numidia, Thrace and the Scythians all declared war on me :-\
The most immediate threat is Babylon. They are traipsing through my southern empire, but not taking any cities. I can barely produce enough units to counter them, as the Scythians and Thrace jab me in the north...although as tribes they are easier to handle.
Any suggestions for surviving this war? Also is there any diplomatic way to make peace other than hoping for a random event to pop up? I was able to make peace with Numidia that way.
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Your Ambassador can request peace.
Be aware that you will be unable to request peace until a set number of turns at war with the faction you are trying to use the diplomacy on. The number of turns depends on the difficulty level you are playing at and is set down in the start up options. From memory if you are playing on "The Good" level I think its about 6 turns. Also to get them to agree you may have to offer tribute.
You must have not been playing "nice" to upset everyone at once ;)
Thanks guys, will have to futz with my ambassador.
I really didn't do anything to instigate! Just building cities and some wonders and puttering around the map, occasionally spanking some barbarians as is tradition.
I even joined Scythia's war against Thrace but it must not have been enough - two turns later Scythia declared war on me :/
Quote from: Gusington on June 08, 2022, 05:20:33 AM
Thanks guys, will have to futz with my ambassador.
I really didn't do anything to instigate! Just building cities and some wonders and puttering around the map, occasionally spanking some barbarians as is tradition.
I even joined Scythia's war against Thrace but it must not have been enough - two turns later Scythia declared war on me :/
If you hover over the relationship score it shows you exactly what you are doing to upset them :-)
Two days til my new gaming rig arrives and I have to re-install all my bits and pieces but I still feel like its Christmas Day coming up. ...2016 since I bought my last one so it needs to last !
New rig day is always the bestest.
Quote from: Gusington on June 08, 2022, 08:29:55 AM
New rig day is always the bestest.
I beg to differ. There's a lot of unpackaging and hauling stuff around and plugging stuff in and loading software, etc., etc. IOW, PHYSICAL LABOR. I have an allergy.
The next day is the best.
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Quote from: Gusington on June 08, 2022, 08:29:55 AM
New rig day is always the bestest.
I beg to differ. There's a lot of unpackaging and hauling stuff around and plugging stuff in and loading software, etc., etc. IOW, PHYSICAL LABOR. I have an allergy.
The next day is the best.
Damn right Glen O0
I never underestimate my capacity to screw things up even with "plug and play" promises !
New 27 inch curved monitor arrives tomorrow but the PC itself wont get here til probably Monday as while it was being built I decided to change up my graphics card to an 8GB 2060 Super rather than the more basic one I had gone with originally.
As I am too useless to play any cutting edge FPS or stuff that needs tip top graphics cards that should be fine fir a few years
It's 1000 times easier now than it has ever been setting up a premade rig!!
I've got over 53 hours in this now so am starting to get a decent grasp on what it's all about. What I have played a lot of over the last year is Shadow Empire and so naturally make comparisons in gameplay. An initial strong impression is that those that have tried Shadow Empire and were turned off by the character element will have problems with this. Characters and events drive the gameplay, and you have very little control over them. You aren't in a sports car instantly reacting to a sudden corner, you are in a semi-truck on a highway just keeping it between the lines. In fact, Shadow Empire gives you somewhat more control over event outcomes through manipulating characters through the card system. All said, that doesn't detract from the game. I'm quite enjoying myself. After the tutorial I've focused on playing Babylon. I figure once I get comfortable with them I'll go back to Greece. I see playing this for awhile.
Quote from: Sparhawk on June 14, 2022, 12:05:10 AM
I've got over 53 hours in this now so am starting to get a decent grasp on what it's all about. What I have played a lot of over the last year is Shadow Empire and so naturally make comparisons in gameplay. An initial strong impression is that those that have tried Shadow Empire and were turned off by the character element will have problems with this. Characters and events drive the gameplay, and you have very little control over them. You aren't in a sports car instantly reacting to a sudden corner, you are in a semi-truck on a highway just keeping it between the lines. In fact, Shadow Empire gives you somewhat more control over event outcomes through manipulating characters through the card system. All said, that doesn't detract from the game. I'm quite enjoying myself. After the tutorial I've focused on playing Babylon. I figure once I get comfortable with them I'll go back to Greece. I see playing this for awhile.
Yes its a fine game. I think you do have more influence over characters than it may seem. Influencing the families and individuals as well as foreign leaders with your own leader us really helpful as is sending luxuries to them. Changing religion to make sure they are of the same faith also helps.
Just won my second game as Carthage on "The Good" level (This time an "Ambition" victory) but with AI aggressiveness on "Normal".
Carthage is a diplomatic powerhouse so if you are trying for a more peaceful game they are ideal and being able to buy tribal units and have them switch sides is really cool.
Quote from: Sparhawk on June 14, 2022, 12:05:10 AM
I've got over 53 hours in this now so am starting to get a decent grasp on what it's all about. What I have played a lot of over the last year is Shadow Empire and so naturally make comparisons in gameplay. An initial strong impression is that those that have tried Shadow Empire and were turned off by the character element will have problems with this. Characters and events drive the gameplay, and you have very little control over them. You aren't in a sports car instantly reacting to a sudden corner, you are in a semi-truck on a highway just keeping it between the lines. In fact, Shadow Empire gives you somewhat more control over event outcomes through manipulating characters through the card system. All said, that doesn't detract from the game. I'm quite enjoying myself. After the tutorial I've focused on playing Babylon. I figure once I get comfortable with them I'll go back to Greece. I see playing this for awhile.
This is exactly why I have no interest in Old World in spite of being a huge Civ fan. I tried but quickly dropped out of the Crusader Kings and Shadow Empires series because of the very reasons you outline above. I'm not criticizing Old World, I'm just not interested in Crusader Kings Civ game. :-[
^You can play Old World by enabling the "play without characters" option in the setup menu. I bet they included that option for players like yourself that have no interest in character development in a Civ type game. 8)
^Yep you can shut that part of the game off entirely.
I am about to lose my first real game as Assyria vs. Babylon but I have learned a ton and am very much looking forward to my next game as Persia.
Discovered that I was only playing on the 2nd difficulty level which bummed me out a bit but hey it was my first real game.
^I'm currently playing on that second difficulty level as Persia. So far I'm doing ok but I can clearly see my military might is lacking compared to my neighbors.
I've got a really good economy with the exception of iron.
Quote from: W8taminute on June 14, 2022, 10:00:53 AM
^You can play Old World by enabling the "play without characters" option in the setup menu. I bet they included that option for players like yourself that have no interest in character development in a Civ type game. 8)
Hmm...I didn't know that. Thanks.
Even when I lose this I am going to chalk it up as a win because I enjoyed myself muchly.
I highly recommend the You Tube series "Old World - Getting Started - A Beginner's Guide" by Unstable Voltage.
He's up to Part 22 already (a bit over 8 hours of footage). I've completed all the tutorials for OW (and read the manual a couple of times) and I learned some things I didn't know when I watched Part 1 of the you tube series. I'm now onto Part 7 of the series and while I won't say that I learned something for every part, I will say that I don't consider any of my viewing time to be wasted (and I plan to continue viewing).
Quote from: Gusington on June 14, 2022, 01:51:32 PM
Even when I lose this I am going to chalk it up as a win because I enjoyed myself muchly.
Are you losing as a score loss after 200 turns or as an early finish due to your enemy getting to the target score early Gus ?
I am about to start a new game on the level up from "The Good".....Not confident....I think I will give Babylon a go.
Quote from: matt3916 on June 14, 2022, 11:32:22 PM
I highly recommend the You Tube series "Old World - Getting Started - A Beginner's Guide" by Unstable Voltage.
He's up to Part 22 already (a bit over 8 hours of footage). I've completed all the tutorials for OW (and read the manual a couple of times) and I learned some things I didn't know when I watched Part 1 of the you tube series. I'm now onto Part 7 of the series and while I won't say that I learned something for every part, I will say that I don't consider any of my viewing time to be wasted (and I plan to continue viewing).
Nice, thanks for the link. I'll have to check out those videos.
Thanks for that link matt3916, definitely going to use that.
I am predicting a loss by score after 200 turns to Babylon as Assyria. I've gotten as close as 5 points to Babylon but have been behind the whole game.
The war between Babylon and Assyria was devastating to us both, and probably why one of us did not get an early win.
Now we're partners and are jointly eliminating Thrace from the face of the earth.
Quote from: Gusington on June 15, 2022, 08:13:55 AM
Thanks for that link matt3916, definitely going to use that.
I am predicting a loss by score after 200 turns to Babylon as Assyria. I've gotten as close as 5 points to Babylon but have been behind the whole game.
The war between Babylon and Assyria was devastating to us both, and probably why one of us did not get an early win.
Now we're partners and are jointly eliminating Thrace from the face of the earth.
Sounds a tight one !
Get those Wonders built ! 5 points is nothing ;)
^I did! I built almost every wonder available to me. But that war with Babylon set us both back.
I also think my understanding money and of the economy came too late but I have a firm grasp now. I'd like to bump up the difficulty of the next game to the third level (The Good) you mention above but a victory first would be appropriate before I do that :)
I have roughly 30 turns left of this first game. Not sure if I will play as Persia in a skirmish game with a few more powers next (3-4 on a larger map) or if I will try out Heroes of the Aegean. Both sound good.
But I love that I can wrap up a campaign in a few weeks, playing an hour or two a night. Very much in my wheel-house.
I would recommend a medium map with three opponents. In my Carthage playthrough Assyria was kept in check by Egypt and Babylon pretty well as they kept getting involved in wars while Carthage played the honest broker and was able to stay out of any big conflicts with diplomacy.
If you only set one AI opponent you will always be a target for the other civ which as you point out is very expensive !
^Heh lesson learned...but after that large years' long war, Babylon and Assyria are great pals. As long as there's a power like Thrace to smack around. And Thrace in this game is almost eliminated, and wouldn't you know it...Babylon is rattling their saber again. Maybe I can just bribe them into peace until the game ends at this point, while building everything I possibly can for a late game pull-ahead win!
Quote from: Sparhawk on June 14, 2022, 12:05:10 AM
I've got over 53 hours in this now so am starting to get a decent grasp on what it's all about. What I have played a lot of over the last year is Shadow Empire and so naturally make comparisons in gameplay. An initial strong impression is that those that have tried Shadow Empire and were turned off by the character element will have problems with this. Characters and events drive the gameplay, and you have very little control over them. You aren't in a sports car instantly reacting to a sudden corner, you are in a semi-truck on a highway just keeping it between the lines. In fact, Shadow Empire gives you somewhat more control over event outcomes through manipulating characters through the card system. All said, that doesn't detract from the game. I'm quite enjoying myself. After the tutorial I've focused on playing Babylon. I figure once I get comfortable with them I'll go back to Greece. I see playing this for awhile.
This makes me worry that I will not like Old World when I get back to it. I skipped out on Crusader Kings because of the emphasis on characters. Also is my biggest annoyance with Shadow Empire. I'm a stereotypical engineer with few people skills. Dealing with people didn't interest me at work and certainly doesn't interest me in my entertainment choices. Will have to try Old World with characters turned off once I complete the tutorials. Hopefully there's enough game left to enjoy it.
^There is.
My partnership and peace with Babylonia continues, thankfully, although still 10 points behind them.
Together we wiped the Thracians out.
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bobarossa I'll echo what Gus says. There is a lot to this game even if you disable the character aspect of it. Plenty decisions to be made in the field that would please any engineer. I know because I'm an engineer too. :)
Quote from: W8taminute on June 16, 2022, 08:35:06 AM
bobarossa I'll echo what Gus says. There is a lot to this game even if you disable the character aspect of it. Plenty decisions to be made in the field that would please any engineer. I know because I'm an engineer too. :)
Thanks for the encouragement!
And I work with about 1000 engineers :)
Group hug!! :hug:
New patch dropped today, it includes:
Design
Bonuses which give Ambitions now have help text with Role Playing mode on
Added "No Ancient Ruins" game option and "Competitive" game option preset
Doubled positive religion opinion from Holy Sites
Iconography: +20 Money per Temple, Enlightenment: -2 Discontent per Elder Monk, Gnosticism: +1 Science per Urban Specialist
Vassalage: No Unit Consumption Outside Borders
Slavery: +20% to Mines/Quarries, +1 Discontent
Serfdom: +5 Orders per turn
Centralization: +2 Science per culture level
Assyrian UUs now get a +50% attack bonus vs. Forts
Add Food to most unit consumption
Leaders who get Excluded trait now abdicate, Characters leaving a nation now divorce their spouse(s)
Increased per-city production increase for Settlers, Workers, and Disciples
Dealmaker has been renamed Cunning
Family Heads can now marry and have kids
Automatic marriages will only occur after the character is 20
Added Bisexual trait
Can now change Generals without removing them first
Returned Scouts from Agent Network will be closer to where they started the Network
Agents get an opinion bonus when assigned
Can now no longer ask a Tribe in an Alliance to declare war on another player
Releasing a Governor no longer costs Civics
Can "Buy Tiles" between adjacent cities (restricted to unimproved tiles)
Naval units do counter damage against each other
Seaside maps always have two purely water sides
Continent Map has been improved
AI no longer recommends that you replace an existing tile improvement
In Competitive Mode, can only Gift City to your own team or the team which founded the city
Competitive mode now cuts global yields from characters by half but gives some base global science, training, civics, and money yields.
No longer possible for non-host player to change turn style and turn timer using keyboard shortcuts
Improvements to the Stats screen
MP: When a MP game is over or surrendered and the map is revealed, the city screen for any city is available
Adjusted placement of some goals
Adjusted frequency of some events
Added more conditions where "Assassinate another Leader" achievement can be met
MP: It is now possible to play Scenario 6 of the "Heroes of the Aegean" Campaign as a multiplayer game
UI
Improvements to the MP Lobby
Improvements to tooltips
Improvements to fonts
Use ellipsis if player/nation name are too long for foreign city widget
Improved clarity some icons
8 leaders now display on nation-selection screen
General's portrait and name now shows in unit selection panel
Attack preview bonuses are now color-coded
Selecting Learn to Play from the main menu (once again) pre-selects the latest uncompleted LTP scenario on the scenario screen
Adjustments to the location of some tooltips
Added Silver icon for tutor events
Updated "pick later" icon in nation select screen
Added hotkey (Ctrl+X) for Network host to turn off replay data
Programming
Improvements to terrain system
Mods - Game will now install mods subscribed from Steam client workshop
Art
Fixed some Hittite portraits that were not appearing
Fixed Greek adult portrait that appeared too old
Updated unit portrait for Three Man Chariot
Updated some Hittite portraits
New Historical Portrait for Heroes of the Aegean
Mardonius
Added team color to certain improvements
Mine
Quarry
Farm
The Hanging Gardens
The Necropolis
Colossus
Pyramids
Hagia Sophia
Ishtar Gate
The Oracle
Lighthouse
Pantheon
Apadana
Circus Maximus
Mausoleum
Acropolis
Localization
Improvements to localized text
Addressed Issues:
Fixed various minor typos
Carthage IV: fixed issue with ambassador
LTP2: fixed issues that created issues with goals
Fixed minor errors which occur on shutdown
Added Peace/Truce missions for No Characters
Scenario character portraits will show up in Hall of Fame
Fixed Tribal courtiers having duplicated traits
Fixed issue where dowries weren't always being paid
Can no longer use undo multiple times to receive different promotions for units
Siege weapons no longer show up on danger overlay unless they are unlimbered
Removed redundant job text from character tooltip
Mounted bonus on clear terrain is still in effect if the improvement is unfinished
Boundary tiles no longer affect the minimap visible area
Removed Underwater Trees in Deadsea Duels Map
Fixed UI interface for city luxury buttons
Fixes to Greek Campaign
Fixed character popup sticking when opened via text link
Fixed children with divorced spouses sometimes not showing on inheritance screen
fixed reminders not updating after council assignment
Fixed issue with "Alexander the Who" Achievement
Fixed city cycling hotkeys cycling in the wrong direction
Fixed bug where Workshop mods weren't being unsubscribed on uninstall
Additional Fixes:
Fixed issue where events with female characters were using he/him pronouns
Fixed advanced settings being used with a fresh options file
Fixed issue with vegetation and terrain displaying incorrectly
Fix to dead leaders abdicating
Fixes to owned tile purchase action
Improvement made to Hittite family tree succession
Fixed issue where Mausoleum was raising to the heavens
Fixed issue with Greece 1 achievement
>:(
Dammit...was eliminated from my game one turn before the final! Babylonia made it to 100 victory points (and left me in the dust with 71). I have to say the tools available for post-end-game are excellent...I watched the slide show of the rise and fall of my empire and on a map, we looked equally paired.
The end game stat screens are good too, and according to those graphs, while I was only ahead for a few turns of this entire game, it was not as much a runaway for Babylonia as it appears. In some categories, maybe even up to half of them, I was ahead.
Although defeated, not too terribly horrendous for a first campaign.
I am pretty certain I will take on Persia next. My major takeaway from this campaign are: if you can attack a powerful neighbor and survive...do it. If I would have pressed on the war with Babylon I might have been able to win this game.
In the map below yellow is me (Assyria) and green is Babylon.
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Great effort Gus !
Going head to head like you did with one AI opponent certainly made it more difficult for you.
I was also really impressed with the variety of end game summaries you are shown.
I go the ither way thoigh re opponents....if you can take out the weakest AI you cannoften leapfrog your strongest opponent for much less effort...Wait until they get attacked by another AI, ideally from an opposite direction and hit them one or two turns later when they have sent their armies to deal with the AI threat... :knuppel2:
Finished my first real game as Babylonia. Came in 3rd behind Rome and Hatti. Finished ahead of Assyria and Carthage (who was eliminated). The top 3 was even for most of the game and them the other 2 just took off. At some point I got a tech or spying event or something that let me see a lot of the opponents territory and they had so much more military strength than I did. That has always been an issue with me and 4X games. I think I have a good force, I go to war, and the opponent brings 5x what I have.
Replaying now as Babylonia again with one less opponent and at the Good level. Guess I'll start building the military earlier :)
Gibby.
Best of luck this time around !
As Babylon you are not a primarily military power in my view so it is unsurorising your military was not the strongest. Your bonuses are in other areas.
As Carthage I won despite having the 3rd weakest military ( by a long way) by concentrating on keeping the AI nations sweet and tying a couple of them into full Peace Agreements. It is essentual you develop Diplomat leaders if you want to go down the diplomatic route.
I might have to start a new game as the recent patch is causing some strange behavior. It could be related to my save game being pre latest patch.
The problem I'm seeing, which is minor, is that when one unit finishes it's movement or orders the screen jumps to the next available unit but the first unit that just finished is still selected. This has caused me some confusion and mis-clicks. Anyone else see this?
^I have not seen that, yet. I did have some game assets missing as a result of the last patch, but that is the extent of it. Annoying but I can live with it 'til the next patch.
Thanks for the above tips devon! Will be starting a new game in the next few days, pretty certain it will be Persia. I'm thinking of trying again 2-3 AI opponents and trying out some of what you said above.
Not sure if I'm going to up the difficulty from n00b yet though.
Quote from: devoncop on June 19, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
Gibby.
Best of luck this time around !
As Babylon you are not a primarily military power in my view so it is unsurorising your military was not the strongest. Your bonuses are in other areas.
As Carthage I won despite having the 3rd weakest military ( by a long way) by concentrating on keeping the AI nations sweet and tying a couple of them into full Peace Agreements. It is essentual you develop Diplomat leaders if you want to go down the diplomatic route.
Thanks!
I've been concentrating more on the economy, only building enough military to take a few tribe cities. In my last game I quickly took 3 empty city sites and decided to build them out, but then the other countries took the tribe ones and I had no room to grow without war. So, took a few of them which allowed the economy to boom. Now I'm just cranking out Akkadian archers, which are really nice.
^How many AI powers are you playing against?
Began the Heroes of the Aegean DLC and one the first, very simple, quite short and basic Battle of Thermopylae scenario.
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He does look pretty intrepid for certain.
^I thought the same. Hoping the subsequent Heroes of the Aegean scenarios are more in-depth, I think they will be since even the in-game description of Thermopylae reads 'simple intro into the rest of the DLC scenarios.' :)
I can recommend the Carthage scenarios....they develop really well as you play through them.
^Did you finish the whole Carthage campaign? How long did it take?
I finished 2 so far....First one took me about 3 hours I guess
Second one was much longer. Maybe 10-12 hours.
They get progressively harder I think
Yeah I think it will be the same for Heroes of the Aegean.
Well this went...as planned. Come and take it and all that. And they did :buck2:
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Next a purely naval battle, Salamis:
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Themistocles looks like Daniel Day Lewis. I bet, there will be blood.
He does look like him ha
Quote from: Gusington on June 20, 2022, 03:51:03 PM
^How many AI powers are you playing against?
Sorry for the late response. On days I have to go into the office I dont get to the forums much.
3 in this game.
No problem! Curious as to how playthroughs are going for other players since I have only completed one campaign against a single other AI. Once I get through the Aegean DLC I want to set up a massive game playing as Persia against 3-4 AIs.
I have been stopped dead in my tracks in my progression through the Heroes of the Aegean DLC...after two attempts I cannot win the Battle of Salamis. Playing at the intermediate difficulty level and it just seems impossible to beat without turning the difficulty down. Anyone win this one?
Sorry Gus. Not tackled the Heroes dlc as yet.
Naval batles are not my forte so an outnumbered naval battle ( as I assume you are) sounds a huge challenge for me too....assume you have promoted as many ships as you can ? Also capturing rather than sinking opposition ships is a thing isnt it ? Have you tried using the relevant promotions to boost the size of your fleet a bit ?
^Yeah promoted as many as I could before each attempt at this. I really don't want to lower the difficulty either.
In the Salamis scenario I don't think capturing Persian ships is available, but the promotion of some ships with the 'grappler' skill definitely is.
I may shelve it for a bit and set up the massive Persia sandbox game I have been looking forward to.
Right I have just fired up Heroes of the Aegean and breezed through the Marathon battle and so I will give Salamis a go but with little optimism !
Like the idea of a big sandbox game too. Maybe I will try a large map with 4 opponents after Salamis.
Which maps do you use? I tend to go with random seaside maps.
May try a full Old World map.
I have only played the sandbox games. I have to admit that I have not played since before the Steam release. I look forward to the improvements. I just have to get out of the vicious Shadow Empire - TWIII cycle I am caught in. Thank goodness DW2 is still a bit mucked up.
^It will be worth your time!
I don't remember which map I used for my Assyria game, but it was a large one.
I may try one of the 'East v. West' maps for Persia. I think those maps have other local powers spread out in roughly historical areas to start.
I got the auto victory as Babylonia in turn 172, exceeding 68 points. Carthage was next at 51. I would post a picture but no idea how :)
If you're playing through Steam hit the F12 key to take a shot.
Quote from: GibbyG on June 25, 2022, 11:11:26 AM
I got the auto victory as Babylonia in turn 172, exceeding 68 points. Carthage was next at 51. I would post a picture but no idea how :)
Nice job Gibby. :bd:
Pretty decisive.
Time to ramp up that difficulty :)
First attempt at Salamis I got stuffed by the Persians.
Second attempt revenge was obtained and I won a fairly comfortable victory.
The difference ?
All depends on your performance in the first mini scenario at marathon. Simply the more Persian units you kill at marathon the more Greek ships you get at Salamis. In the first game I killed about 22 Persian units at marathon and ended up with 4 bonus Greek ships. Second attempt I killed 32 and got 8 bonus Greek ships...made a big difference. Also...rather than choosing the fireship/Coxwain promotions I stuck with Focus and Combat strength for most of the Greek ships just going for raw combat power. Seemed to work better but it may just have been a result of the increased number of friendly ships.
^Thanks man. So I guess I will try from the start of the Battle of Marathon again...I just don't think I have enough power with the small number of ships I have in my saved game. OR...I just begin my big honkin' Persia game.
I lowered the difficulty :/ but won Salamis and moved on to Plataea...
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Nice job !
Although I am concentrating on Strategic Command Civil War MP at the minute I have this battle underway as well...its another tricky one ;)
I feel deflated that I had to lower the difficulty but Salamis was near impossible for me without doing that.
I may put this aside momentarily to start a big ol' Persia campaign...I am liking the sandbox game moreso than the scenarios. More flexible ways to win and a lot more to do - the combat in Old World is not the highlight for me.
I know people have complained about it - I don't hate it, but I enjoy it more as part of a bigger game than the highlight.
Quote from: Gusington on July 01, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
I feel deflated that I had to lower the difficulty but Salamis was near impossible for me without doing that.
I may put this aside momentarily to start a big ol' Persia campaign...I am liking the sandbox game moreso than the scenarios. More flexible ways to win and a lot more to do - the combat in Old World is not the highlight for me.
I know people have complained about it - I don't hate it, but I enjoy it more as part of a bigger game than the highlight.
Agree wirh you there.
The combat needs context.
^You said it much more economically than I did haha
Started my Persia campaign last night, about 40 turns in and Egypt has already declared war on me >:(
Carthage and Greece are also in the game.
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New in this game is the fact that my own families don't like me very much. This ruler ended up dying naturally, but there were multiple attempts to assassinate him.
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Have you been upsetting your relatives again Gus ?
I did that about 4 years ago somehow and one of mine has ghosted me ever since. Odd lot families :)
^Both in real life and in-game.
Have you been successful in wars in Old World? Egypt kicked my arse and took three of my cities in my session today :/
They offered a truce if I betrayed the Scythians, which I did...and now I feel badly.
Quote from: Gusington on July 03, 2022, 06:21:28 PM
^Both in real life and in-game.
Have you been successful in wars in Old World? Egypt kicked my arse and took three of my cities in my session today :/
They offered a truce if I betrayed the Scythians, which I did...and now I feel badly.
I have mostly tried to avoid wars unless it is against a nation already at war with another AI....ideally on the other side of them so I can be confident their army will be largely a long way from mine (truly heroic I am ;))...By doing that I obtained about 2/3 of a tottering Greece in one game as the Egyptians whist Rome did most of the actual hard lifting.
Egypt was pretty aggressive with me. I was building cities near theirs and that set off the AI. Bastards.
My biggest gripe so far is that I keep getting spammed by raiders. Otherwise, an enjoyable game!
My game as Carthage I had about 4 cities and did something to piss off the Vandals, who demanded tribute or they would declare war. I dont pay tribute to barbarians, so war it was. I hadn't really scouted very well and didn't realize I was completely surrounded by Vandal sites. They came pouring into my cities along with a bunch of barbarian raiders. Game over.
'I don't pay tribute to barbarians.' Quotable!
There is so much I have yet to learn in this game. I am currently dead last in points of the four powers I set the game up with (Greece, Carthage, Egypt, I am Persia). Where my first game as Assyria against Babylonia was pretty close up until the end, I've never even been close in this game and have been the punching bag of Egypt and to a lesse extent, Carthage, not matter what I do. Any advice?
It's a credit to the game that I still really enjoy it while sucking so badly at it.
Persia is a military specialist Gus. Cyrus has the " Launch Offensive" ability which allows adjacent Persian units to attack twice in a turn so its vital this is used , ideally with three or more friendly units around Cyrus.
They can harvest 50% more from resources so scouts can get you tons of extra income up front early on which can give you a head start. If you are going to go for lots of archers make sure the starting location has lots of wood otherwise pump out slingers that dont need any or go down the warrior/ maceman route.
Wood can be a pain in the arse to get early on as we know so slingers are my preferred option either way for ranged units.
Carthage is not great militarily so if you get a chance to take them on early before they sign a friendship treaty ...ideally, but not essentially when they are already fighting someone else then go for it. Persia can beat them militarily.
Remember to keep all your families happy even if you have to give away luxuries or marry into slightly less than optimal choice wives....the happier they are the more their cities produce.
Its a very deep game though and one I will be returning to very regularly and for me is a big step up from Civ.
Thanks - I am at turn 112 so Cyrus died a while ago....maybe even before the Egyptians smacked me for developing too close to the border.
I haven't developed archers yet but I do have slingers. My families are always happy, at least.
I love this game I just feel like so many features and subtleties are being lost on me. It's like I need to learn how to learn it.
Well declaring war on Egypt is definitely the worst possible thing I could have done...instead of recapturing my three lost cities I just pissed the Egyptians off royally (pun intended?) and they blitzed my heartland. I am now at turn 136 and have lost most of the rest of my cities, rebellions have sprung up in the cities I still hold, I have run out of food and have very few combat units left. Every Egyptian unit that comes into my Persian territory is way stronger than anything I have. Time to give up on this campaign as every subsequent turn has become agonizing :/
Quote from: Gusington on July 07, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
Well declaring war on Egypt is definitely the worst possible thing I could have done...instead of recapturing my three lost cities I just pissed the Egyptians off royally (pun intended?) and they blitzed my heartland. I am now at turn 136 and have lost most of the rest of my cities, rebellions have sprung up in the cities I still hold, I have run out of food and have very few combat units left. Every Egyptian unit that comes into my Persian territory is way stronger than anything I have. Time to give up on this campaign as every subsequent turn has become agonizing :/
Ouch :-)
^+1
:/
Just won my latest game as Carthage with an ambition victory. For some reason Egypt declares war on me even though they are not near me, just attacking my fleets. Assyria is pulling away in VPs, with me in 3rd about 5 behind. I only need one more ambition, and it is to have 6 legendary cities and I currently have 4. I just start buying poets in every city that has a strong culture and I get to 6 as Assyria is 2 points away from the win.
^Congrats!
:(
Quote from: GibbyG on July 09, 2022, 03:56:50 PM
Just won my latest game as Carthage with an ambition victory. For some reason Egypt declares war on me even though they are not near me, just attacking my fleets. Assyria is pulling away in VPs, with me in 3rd about 5 behind. I only need one more ambition, and it is to have 6 legendary cities and I currently have 4. I just start buying poets in every city that has a strong culture and I get to 6 as Assyria is 2 points away from the win.
Nailbiting stuff :)
Both my wins have been pretty tight affairs too... though my losses are usually catastrophic :)) They did a great job with the balance.
I just picked this up a week or so ago. I think it was on sale.
What can I say? This puts recent Civs to shame. The granularity in the setup options is great. Want the AI opponents to never declare war? Boring, but an option. Want them to have a 50% nerf to declaring war? Not a bad option if you are trying to learn the mechanics and don't want to be attacked all the time.
But the Number One feature I like about Old World is Orders. You have a limited number of actions you can take each turn: build something with a worker, tutor an offspring, move and attack with a unit, promote a unit, add a general to a unit, heal a unit... you get the idea. Building up your order capacity generally has to be your #1 priority and there are several ways to do it. A few wargames have this kind of feature of limited movement of stacks/units, such as some (or all?) AGEOD titles. For 4X games it's fantastic. You'll be penalized if you spam military units. Heck, you don't want to build too many workers, either. You'll need to find a balance.
One week of play and I'm trying to find that balance. This isn't like launching Civ6 sight unseen at the second or third highest level of difficulty and pulling a victory. Anyway, two thumbs up from me on Old World.
EDIT: I just skimmed this thread. Let me note I'm on "The Good" (neutral difficulty) at the "AI 50% less likely to declare war" level. Currently playing as Greece with four AI opponents on a large map (I think--second to largest map). I just figured out I have to leave a unit on the hex after wiping out barbarians or minors on a city site. I lost two or three city sites to Carthage before sending settlers as a result. What can I say except "read the manual, idiot?" I recently took out the Danes, at least within the known world, to build cities. I have a pretty good army but since I have a new ruler, I don't have a lot of orders and thus taking on Carthage to bag a few cities wouldn't be a good idea, methinks. The next step will be to keep all the military units on ice as I use workers and otherwise build the economy.
Cheers,
CC
I played for about 50 hours...and I was mediocre at best at Old World. But kept coming back for more! I could not pay a higher compliment to a game.