Russia's War Against Ukraine

Started by ArizonaTank, November 26, 2021, 04:54:38 PM

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Sir Slash

Approximately how long would troops in the pic be able to operate in that environment with that equipment? Are we talking hours or minutes here?
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Quote from: Sir Slash on November 30, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
Approximately how long would troops in the pic be able to operate in that environment with that equipment? Are we talking hours or minutes here?

You mean the pictures I posted? Depends how cold and windy it is, and if possible to warm up somewhere. It used to be forest and darkness were our friends, but with drones with TI capabilities, a tent with a woodburning stove would really lit up there.

Without fires, cold tents but safe from elements, no sleeping bags. Three days? It would be truly miserable towards the end though.

Add winter grade sleeping bags, and being able to stay dry. Two, three weeks? Even longer?
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Sir Slash

Longer than I imagined. Thanks Crossroads.
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GDS_Starfury

russians are now using corpses with paper faces as decoys for drones....
its not a gruesome video.
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A long read with 70 pages, and the first proper analysis of Russia's Invasion to Ukraine I've seen. As the authors state, this should not be considered an academic study, as they acknowledge they only have the material available Ukraine agreed to. Also, stops after the first two phases of the invasion, initial invasion and the consecutive Russian regrouping to annex Donbass as a whole. Ukrainian counter offensive materials were still considered to remain under the covers.

A couple of observations from the report:

First, the intension of the invasion as to erase the Ukrainian independence and culture, with all Ukrainians categorised into four categories, where the first category are to be liquidated immediately, the second to be coerced and intimated into submission. Reports of house to house searches with lists of names, executions and torture chambers would seem to corroborate this. Stalin would have been proud.

Another observation: Russian weapons systems are very effective, and their more experienced troops performed very well. However, the cost of the operational surprise Russia achieved was that the lower echelon of commanders were informed about the plans just before the invasion, while soldiers themselves remained unaware of what's about to happen. Confusion followed.

Finally, an interesting comment on drones. While all echelons should have anti UAV capabilities, the report also observes the average lifespan of a commercial drone is three flights, while military grade drones may last six flights.

Wanted to read this before posting. Have a look, a recommended weekend read for sure, plenty of stuff from EW to tank and artillery tactics, and a final chapter as recommendations for UK armed forces, valid for any modern army I'd say.

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1597943870154997761

https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-Preliminary-Lessons-Feb-July-2022-web-final.pdf
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Ukraine war: New images show Russian army base built in occupied Mariupol


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63846154

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Ruptured barrel of Ukrainian 152mm howitzer D-20 (M1955)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1585147264518889473

...and the US is setting up a field artillery repair center in Poland

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1596641862882062336
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FarAway Sooner

Crossroads, in the Carroll interview of the British analyst mentioned a few pages upthread, the Brit also observed that, in the airspace over Ukraine, expensive military-grade drones don't seem to last that much longer than lower-cost civilian ones that are weaponized.  The Brit specifically observed that American UAVs, like the Predator, were built for low-intensity conflict, where they pack considerable firepower and can loiter over targets for extended periods of time.

In a high-intensity conflict like Ukraine, he suggests that it's looking like low-cost and one-shot drones (e.g., the US "Switchblade") that can arrive in great quantity and be easily replaced are likely to be much more cost-efficient.  He stated that we now know that all the footage of the Turkish Bayraktar drones we were seeing released by Ukrainian media for months on end was all footage taken over the first week of their deployment and then dribbled out as misinformation.  The Bayraktars were effective, he said, but only for one or two weeks before the Russians adjusted their AA doctrine.

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Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

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Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

Martok - I don't know if it's possible to have an "anti-boner"...but I now have one.

Gus - Celery is vile and has no reason to exist. Like underwear on Star.