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Title: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Jarhead0331 on September 12, 2016, 01:06:58 PM
Due for EA release on 9/15. Not totally against the comic art style...looks like it could be interesting.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/464880/?snr=1_7_7_comingsoon_150_3 (http://store.steampowered.com/app/464880/?snr=1_7_7_comingsoon_150_3)

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Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: sandman2575 on September 12, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
I've had my eye on this. I actually like the art-style even though comics aren't my thing.

Really hope this is more than just the standard space 4x fare...
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Jarhead0331 on September 12, 2016, 01:36:17 PM
It reminds me a bit of the fist SOTS. At first, the art style didn't grab me, but eventually, I grew to love that game and its sequel. I'll definitely be picking this one up. I love the variety of ship classes...I hope the gameplay permits the player to actually take advantage of the various roles.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Steelgrave on September 12, 2016, 02:18:06 PM
Yeah, the art style doesn't grab me at first, but I see a lot of things I like in the screenshots themselves. I can see this game making it's way into my Steam cart.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: jamus34 on September 12, 2016, 02:32:32 PM
Reminds me of the original MOO...with a more cartoonish bend to it.

Bears watching...of course I'm of the mindset that I really do not care what a game looks like...if it plays well and I have fun then I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tpek on September 12, 2016, 04:05:42 PM
Been on my wishlist for a while now,
But I'd rather wait for impressions and a sale I guess.
There are so many (many many) other Space 4X games out there right now.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: FarAway Sooner on September 12, 2016, 10:29:21 PM
Yeah.  I like the UI, but it remains to be seen if this offers anything new.  So far, I'm pleasantly enjoying Polaris Sector, as it does have some new things to it that set it apart. 

I do wish they'd gotten away from the original colony grab / land rush model, though.  DW:U is the only game that seemed to get this right, through the introduction of aggressive pirate factions that make PvE the player's dominant concern in the early parts of the game.  Still, PS does a lot of things right.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on September 13, 2016, 06:53:27 AM
Afternoon gents,

Glad to see some interest for Stars in Shadow here on the forum. I am involved with the project as producer on behalf of the publisher.

The game coming along really well and we are very excited to show it to the public.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers,

Surtur
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Jarhead0331 on September 13, 2016, 07:06:17 AM
Quote from: Surtur on September 13, 2016, 06:53:27 AM
Afternoon gents,

Glad to see some interest for Stars in Shadow here on the forum. I am involved with the project as producer on behalf of the publisher. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers,

Surtur

How about a steam key so we can post some impressions?  O0
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: tgb on September 13, 2016, 08:27:09 AM
Welcome, Surtur-

Other than the artwork, what is there to differentiate your game from the other 4,739 space-based 4X title already on the market?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on September 13, 2016, 09:03:07 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 13, 2016, 07:06:17 AM
How about a steam key so we can post some impressions?  O0

Drop a line to our PR and you will get one. PM me if you need more info :)

The game has some really cool mechanics when it comes to ship design, combat, diplomacy etc. It has a bit of that oldskool feel to it and once you dig deeper, the way the mechanics interact is really well done.

For example. Right now I am testing a game as the Yorals, where I had to make peace with the humans. Not because I was losing, but because because the human population I already annexed somehow opposed the continued bombings of their species...

Other than that the game has an exellent UI that, together with the core design, really keep micro to a minimum even in late game and we have deep hands-on tactical battles.

I know there are many 4X games out there, but this one has its own unique feel and a lot of flavour.

Edit: Did I mention you can create slave colonies?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: sandman2575 on September 13, 2016, 09:12:51 AM
Interesting. I really do hope Stars in Shadow has something unique to offer. I recently went through a bout of trying to find a space 4x to hold my interest... failed, and so just went back to Elite:Dangerous.  I was interested in the upcoming Endless Space 2 until I heard the ship combat is even *more* hands-off than the original. Stars in Shadow right now seems like the most intriguing new space 4x coming down the pike...
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on September 13, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
Developer Ashdar Games gives you full control over your ships in combat, down to the individual weapons. Of course there is also the option to autoresolve  :)
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Anguille on September 14, 2016, 04:52:26 AM
It's on my wishlist... O0

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: solops on September 16, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
I picked this up last night (20% off). Have not played, but got in and looked around...it looks very interesting.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Jarhead0331 on September 16, 2016, 11:47:30 AM
I bought it last night, but then got a key for official impressions today too.

I tinkered last night and also have positive impressions. I plan on playing a little more over the weekend and posting my thoughts asap. Its definitely early access with some missing content, but overall, I still like what I am seeing.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: OJsDad on September 16, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on September 16, 2016, 11:47:30 AM
I bought it last night, but then got a key for official impressions today too.

I tinkered last night and also have positive impressions. I plan on playing a little more over the weekend and posting my thoughts asap. Its definitely early access with some missing content, but overall, I still like what I am seeing.

I'm wanting to pick up Polaris Sector this holiday season.  I'll be interesting on what your thoughts on which may be the better buy.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on September 16, 2016, 12:11:01 PM
My biggest complaint so far is the interface. It's a little wonky. But so far it is holding my interest.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: steve58 on September 16, 2016, 04:00:28 PM
Early Access Preview and Interview (http://www.spacesector.com/blog/2016/09/stars-in-shadow-early-access-preview/) for Stars in Shadow from Spacesector.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Martok on November 25, 2016, 03:42:10 PM
(Moving/continuing this conversation from the Steam Holiday/Winter Sale thread...) 



So I received a response -- sort of -- from the devs regarding my question about map size.  Quote: 

QuoteWe're experimenting with this, and will have some options to test soon.


So glad to hear they're at least working on it. 

That being said, I think I'm gonna request a refund on the game for now.  I don't imagine the larger map sizes are going to be available anytime soon (odds are good the devs' definition of "soon" is quite different from mine), and in case they end up not working very well -- and/or not added at all (I'm pretty cynical about most game developers at this point) -- I'd just as soon not be out the money, even if it isn't that much. 

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on December 12, 2016, 04:00:00 PM
Hi Martok, bigger maps are actually in right now (too many stars might cause performance issues), also the game is 33% off this week!

Stars in Shadow received a major update last week including 2 new factions and a lot of new mechanics (mercenaries, stargates). We have nearly weekly updates coming out and the game has matured a lot over the last months (we are getting close to full release).

The game has been described as more MOO2 than MOO2 was, which I think is fairly accurate. Don't let the comic style fool you, there is more than enough depth there!

Here is a link to last weeks' livestream, I had a chance to chat a bit with Sven about game design and the updates of late.

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Martok on December 14, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
Thanks Surtur!  I did notice that (about the larger maps).  Just waiting til Friday when payday is here.  8) 
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Trooperc7 on December 14, 2016, 04:50:26 PM
I put about 6 hrs in on this today......I must admit I like it ! I like it a lot!
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Sparhawk on December 15, 2016, 01:17:56 AM
I really don't like early access, but space 4x is my thing, and this game is intriguing. The discount on steam right now convinced me to give it a try. I've only spent a couple hours as the Yoral in my first go through and though the game seems very basic in its presentation I find it solid and engaging. I'm looking forward to see where it takes me.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on December 15, 2016, 04:34:36 AM
Glad to hear you gents are enjoying it!

Yoral are great to start with, especially when you can start mounting railguns on heavy destroyers (a bit OP at the moment).

Be sure to move your population around to maximize their effectiveness. Especially when you become a species with more than one empire.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Nefaro on December 17, 2016, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Surtur on December 12, 2016, 04:00:00 PM

The game has been described as more MOO2 than MOO2 was, which I think is fairly accurate. Don't let the comic style fool you, there is more than enough depth there!



That does sound pretty accurate.

Enjoyed the little bit I've experienced thus far.  Also like the way the artwork, and specifically ships, look.






However, the blue interface everywhere... it's a bit much.   :hide:


~~~>

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Martok on December 27, 2016, 07:50:05 AM
Have spent a fair amount of time playing this the last week or so, and have enjoyed it so far.  I'm never going to be a fan of the art style, as I find it detracts from the all-important immersion factor, but it boasts pretty solid gameplay and mechanics. 

Definitely has that "one more turn" thing going for it, as well hitting that sweet spot of being "easy to lean, but hard to master".  It's not going to top Stellaris as being my favorite 4x title or anything, but I can see this making my Top Ten list once it's reached full release state. 
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on January 20, 2017, 04:50:22 AM
Hi guys, we are pleased to say that Stars in Shadow has reached it full release state  <:-)

Many things were changed and improved during EA, including (but not limited to two brand new factions have been implemented, strategic zoom is added, as well as the Galactic Council. Moreover, various new minor races can be discovered and the option to use slaves for scientific experiments is now made available to all players.

Of course a full release does not mean end of support and the team has already started working on post-release updates :)



Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Ian C on January 20, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
Bought this today. I love the look of it but why have they made Humans the hardest race to play? There's only one Human/Humanoid race and you start off screwed, with no home planet and even on Easy difficulty, I've had to restart four times. Any tips?


Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on January 20, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Ian C on January 20, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
Bought this today. I love the look of it but why have they made Humans the hardest race to play? There's only one Human/Humanoid race and you start off screwed, with no home planet and even on Easy difficulty, I've had to restart four times. Any tips?

Don't start as the humans. They are designed to be difficult. Start with the Ashdar Colonials.  ;)
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Ian C on January 20, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: bbmike on January 20, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Ian C on January 20, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
Bought this today. I love the look of it but why have they made Humans the hardest race to play? There's only one Human/Humanoid race and you start off screwed, with no home planet and even on Easy difficulty, I've had to restart four times. Any tips?

Don't start as the humans. They are designed to be difficult. Start with the Ashdar Colonials.  ;)

Thanks. I got it now. You have to colonise the best planet you get within range then scrap some ships to reduce costs. Quick-buy a farm so you don't starve and then a few other things to cut costs. Took me 6 goes to get it right. Enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on January 20, 2017, 01:41:40 PM
I send my transport to trade duty first thing.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Ian C on January 20, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Quote from: bbmike on January 20, 2017, 01:41:40 PM
I send my transport to trade duty first thing.

Yeah, that was another thing I learned. It saved my colonies from starving, but come to think of it, even though I have 'tutorials' checked on the options, there haven't been any at all which was the main problem. I've had to learn through trial and error. What gives?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Freyland on January 20, 2017, 09:36:27 PM
Too many habitable planets, even when set on "rare". Really blunts the joy of exploring.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Nefaro on January 20, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
The one game I started awhile back, it took me a long time to figure out some specific thing.  IIRC.. how to drop colony pop units onto a planet. 

The UI just didn't seem intuitive to me in that case.  Probably have to figure it out by trial & error once again when I go back.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Martok on January 26, 2017, 04:46:16 PM
This is a fun game.  Nowhere near as deep or complex as Stellaris or Distant Worlds, obviously, but then it's clearly not trying to be.  The devs were obviously going for a space 4x title that was easy to just jump into and play, and in this they succeeded. 

The emphasis is on ship design & combat, less so on exploration and colony/empire development.  Not that the latter is ignored or gets short shrift; it's just, well, streamlined.  The devs pretty obviously didn't want the player to get bogged down in the details of establishing & running an interstellar empire, and so they set about to make the first three X's (Explore, Expand, and Exploit) as painless as possible, without being insultingly over-simplistic.  Exploration is kept somewhat interesting by running into other entities like pirates, space monsters, and (especially coveted) independent colonies.  Building transports and then adding them to an invisible "pool" automatically puts them in your trade fleet (adding to your income), as well as automatically transporting food to colonies suffering from a shortage, which I find to be a nice (and much-appreciated) touch. 

The turn-based battles are where SiS definitely shines, and are perhaps the best I've yet seen in a space 4x title.  It's not WEGO (to my admitted frustration), but this is offset by other factors, such as faster ships getting an initiative advantage (helping to keep smaller ships relevant); also, positioning matters.  Ship design is both enjoyable and easy. 



As I said, this is not a deep game.  You're not going to find Stellaris' level of diplomatic or political depth, nor DW's economic complexity.  But for those who want to just sit down and conquer the galaxy in a couple hours (while getting to fight some fun battles along the way), Stars in Shadow is pretty good for scratching that itch. 
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on January 26, 2017, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: Martok on January 26, 2017, 04:46:16 PM
This is a fun game.  Nowhere near as deep or complex as Stellaris or Distant Worlds, obviously, but then it's clearly not trying to be.  The devs were obviously going for a space 4x title that was easy to just jump into and play, and in this they succeeded. 

The emphasis is on ship design & combat, less so on exploration and colony/empire development.  Not that the latter is ignored or gets short shrift, it's just, well, streamlined.  The devs pretty obviously didn't want the player to get bogged down in the details of establishing & running an interstellar empire, and so they set about to make the first three X's (Explore, Expand, and Exploit) as painless as possible, without being insultingly over-simplistic.  Exploration is kept somewhat interesting by running into other entities like pirates, space monsters, and (especially coveted) independent colonies.  Building transports and then adding them to an invisible "pool" automatically puts them in your trade fleet (adding to your income), as well as automatically transporting food to colonies suffering from a shortage, which I find to be a nice (and much-appreciated) touch). 

The turn-based battles are where SiS definitely shines, and are perhaps the best I've yet seen in a space 4x title.  It's not WEGO (to my admitted frustration), but this is offset by other factors, such as faster ships getting an initiative advantage (helping to keep smaller ships relevant); also, positioning matters.  Ship design is both enjoyable and easy. 



As I said, this is not a deep game.  You're not going to find Stellaris' level of diplomatic or political depth, nor DW's economic complexity.  But for those who want to just sit down and conquer the galaxy in a couple hours (while getting to fight some fun battles along the way), Stars in Shadow is pretty good for scratching that itch.

Completely agree. This game certainly comes off as barebones by just playing around a little bit it can seem that way. I am playing a 500 system game and I keep finding more and more cool things. It has a lot of hidden depth that you have to keep playing to discover but you have to really play the game to unveil it as it is not really written down anywhere..guides, manuals, wikis, etc...I always wanted a MOO2 that you could play with more than just a few systems and now I finally have it. And there are a lot of differences between the two that I really appreciate. I really like the ship design trade offs. Some smart design here! But most of all it has the MOO2 combat that we all love and miss that the new MOO never delivered!
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: solops on February 20, 2017, 12:14:32 PM
I really like this game. I moved on from a couple of marathon Endless Legend sessions (great game) and I'm trying this out for the first time in many patches before I try Realpolitik. It really has that one-more-turn thing to it. The UI needs work (they know) and balancing is still going on. There are still a lot of races and "stuff" they could add, but the game is really pretty good. It is a lot like Polaris Sector in some ways. Of ALL of the recent 4x space games, this is more like MOO2 than any of the others, IF that is what floats your boat. I am not particularly looking for a MOO clone, but these guys have built a great game. Wish the combat was WEGO. I agree with the above two comments. If any of the devs read this, don't let it go to your head...you still have some polishing to do.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Rayfer on June 12, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
Anyone still playing this one? Steam has it on sale 40% off $14.99.  Worth the time, effort and $$$...?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bob48 on June 12, 2017, 03:54:19 PM
I've been tempted a few times for it - the gfx do put me off a bit though.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Labbug on June 12, 2017, 08:49:38 PM
I have found it fun but difficult.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Rayfer on June 13, 2017, 07:34:51 AM
Quote from: Labbug on June 12, 2017, 08:49:38 PM
I have found it fun but difficult.

Went on the Steam forums and found a number of 'difficulty' complaints, even when using the 'easy' difficulty level, mostly that AI empires or pirates steamroll you early on from which you can't recover.  But many posters enjoy the ship creation and turn-based, tactical ship combat aspects of the game.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Trooperc7 on June 13, 2017, 09:15:53 AM
i found the game to be tough but fun to play.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: W8taminute on June 13, 2017, 11:19:58 AM
I've logged 23 hours with this game and love it.  I agree with Martok, emphasis is on ship design and turn based combat.  Turn based combat in a space 4x what more do you want?   :)
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on August 06, 2017, 05:01:00 PM
New review from Tom Chick:

http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2017/07/19/stars-shadows-finds-place-sun/#more-43695

Could not agree more. And now after a new balancing patch this game is even so much better! And a new DLC is on the way:

http://steamcommunity.com/games/464880/announcements/detail/1430307963817159301

Want MOO2 with better graphics and bigger maps and more stuff? Well it is finally here for me.

I am trying a new game as the Gremak slavers and having a blast. Capturing slaves and allying with pirate marauders. Striking out of nowhere with my cloaking device and close range torpedoes. There is so much more to this game than even MOO2 had. Each race is really cool and different! Not many games where I don't have a favorite and want to play all of them.

Put on some Star Wars music and I am in Space 4X heaven. This is finally the modern MOO2 I was always waiting for! But better! Yes I said it. Better than MOO2.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Jarhead0331 on August 06, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
Happy to see that someone finally after 20 years made a game that has more features and is better than moo2. Personally, and I know I'm in the minority, I thought moo3 accomplished this.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on August 07, 2017, 04:14:06 AM
I am glad you guys are enjoying the game. We have more updates in the works and are teasing some DLC ideas (announcement soon).  ;D
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on August 07, 2017, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 06, 2017, 10:43:08 PM
Happy to see that someone finally after 20 years made a game that has more features and is better than moo2. Personally, and I know I'm in the minority, I thought moo3 accomplished this.

Ah but a game is not even close to MOO2 unless it has turn based combat! And Stars in Shadow turn based combat is MOO2 combat and more!
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Ian C on August 07, 2017, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: Surtur on August 07, 2017, 04:14:06 AM
I am glad you guys are enjoying the game. We have more updates in the works and are teasing some DLC ideas (announcement soon).  ;D

This is a great game.

Currently having a blast on a 99-star map, with sparse star setup, marathon tech length and rare habitable worlds settings. Very gripping. It's a damn time-vampire.

Please - more races! Can you also add different characters for human civs? Sometimes it's fun to go against other humans but they use the same character images...
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on August 07, 2017, 02:49:19 PM
Quote from: Ian C on August 07, 2017, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: Surtur on August 07, 2017, 04:14:06 AM
I am glad you guys are enjoying the game. We have more updates in the works and are teasing some DLC ideas (announcement soon).  ;D

This is a great game.

Currently having a blast on a 99-star map, with sparse star setup, marathon tech length and rare habitable worlds settings. Very gripping. It's a damn time-vampire.

Please - more races! Can you also add different characters for human civs? Sometimes it's fun to go against other humans but they use the same character images...

Using the same settings on a 150 star map and I am also having a blast! My only complaint about the game is wanting the rare settings to be more rare. Especially on the larger maps where planet micro can be too much.

The Dev replied so hoping that will be the case. Also a new race will be coming in the new DLC. The Tinkers:

http://steamcommunity.com/games/464880/announcements/detail/1341359336482820570

Arioch  [developer] 21 hours ago
"With the addition of the Tinkers, who prefer Arid worlds, we will be changing the balance of planet generation. My plan is to reduce the frequency of habitable worlds slightly on the "normal" setting, and then increase the variation between high and low settings.

But changing the frequency won't guarantee a certain number of habitable words; there is still a random element which I think is important."

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Geezer on August 07, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
I checked Steam and the game website and see no mention of multiplayer.  Am I correct that there is none?  How is the AI?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Ian C on August 07, 2017, 03:30:45 PM
Quote from: Geezer on August 07, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
Am I correct that there is none?  How is the AI?

No MP and the AI is good. I've had a lot of fun since its release.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on August 07, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: Geezer on August 07, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
I checked Steam and the game website and see no mention of multiplayer.  Am I correct that there is none?  How is the AI?

There is no MP but it would certainly be fun to play MP if you could! Maybe a future thing?

The AI is actually really good. One of the better AI's in my opinion. I play on normal and still get a decent challenge. But of course the AI could always use more work.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Martok on August 07, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, Stars in Shadow's AI is one feature that deserves more mention than it generally receives IMO.  Like most AI's, it's not quite as good at expansion as a human player (and that's based on when I last played it a couple months ago), but it's definitely no slouch overall. 
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on August 07, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
Quote from: Martok on August 07, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Yeah, Stars in Shadow's AI is one feature that deserves more mention than it generally receives IMO.  Like most AI's, it's not quite as good at expansion as a human player (and that's based on when I last played it a couple months ago), but it's definitely no slouch overall.

I actually find that it expands decently my beef with the current AI is that it tends to spread it's ships out too much and will not form enough large fleets so it is easier to pick them off one by one.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Anguille on August 08, 2017, 08:40:44 AM
Game is growing on me but the next game, i'll have to set the stars density on sparse...
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.

...and this philosophy is greatly appreciated. Too many games these days focus on a MP aspect while ignoring those who prefer a quality SP experience. Thank you.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Rayfer on August 08, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.

...and this philosophy is greatly appreciated. Too many games these days focus on a MP aspect while ignoring those who prefer a quality SP experience. Thank you.

A huge +1
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on August 08, 2017, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.

...and this philosophy is greatly appreciated. Too many games these days focus on a MP aspect while ignoring those who prefer a quality SP experience. Thank you.

But for some of us singleplayer also means solo hotseat.  :(
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: CptHowdy on August 08, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
just picked this up for $10 from kinguin  O0
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: glen55 on August 08, 2017, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: Rayfer on August 08, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.

...and this philosophy is greatly appreciated. Too many games these days focus on a MP aspect while ignoring those who prefer a quality SP experience. Thank you.

A huge +1

Heck, I'll look into the mirror and go with +2.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: jamus34 on August 08, 2017, 12:14:51 PM
Plus multiplayer balancing usually screws up the SP game.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Rayfer on August 08, 2017, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: CptHowdy on August 08, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
just picked this up for $10 from kinguin  O0

Is this a legitimate site? Didn't know it existed, never used it before.  Anyone have issues with it?  Thanks
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on August 08, 2017, 02:56:30 PM
Quote from: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.

No problem with that! MP would just be a last extra bonus to a great single player experience.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: CptHowdy on August 08, 2017, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: Rayfer on August 08, 2017, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: CptHowdy on August 08, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
just picked this up for $10 from kinguin  O0

Is this a legitimate site? Didn't know it existed, never used it before.  Anyone have issues with it?  Thanks

have several purchases through them and no issuses. just make sure the product you are ordering is available in your region. sometimes you see a great deal and its EU only or RUS only.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Boggit on August 08, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
I've had this on wishlist for a while now. I think I'll pick it up in the next sale.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Martok on August 09, 2017, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: glen55 on August 08, 2017, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: Rayfer on August 08, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on August 08, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: Surtur on August 08, 2017, 09:22:19 AM
Multiplayer is onlikely at this point, though potentially something for the (very) long term. Getting a great singleplayer experience is what we are after.

...and this philosophy is greatly appreciated. Too many games these days focus on a MP aspect while ignoring those who prefer a quality SP experience. Thank you.

A huge +1

Heck, I'll look into the mirror and go with +2.
I strongly second this as well.  (+3?) 


Not that I have any objection to a 4x title having MP, but I don't want it being included at the expense of adversely affecting the single-player experience.  Tanaka says it well in that it's nice to have (especially if you have friends you enjoy playing games with), but not necessary. 




Quote from: Boggit on August 08, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
I've had this on wishlist for a while now. I think I'll pick it up in the next sale.
You definitely should.  :) 

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Nefaro on August 10, 2017, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: W8taminute on June 13, 2017, 11:19:58 AM
Turn based combat in a space 4x what more do you want?   :)



Moustache rides?



Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Steelgrave on August 10, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Sounds like a job for our very own Bawb  8)
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bob48 on August 10, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
...someone called?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Steelgrave on August 10, 2017, 04:53:22 PM
It's spooky how he does that......   :hide:
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bob48 on August 10, 2017, 04:59:07 PM
These damn 'stache hairs are like antennae...........
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Steelgrave on August 10, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
LMAO!!! Good one, Bawb!
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Ian C on August 30, 2017, 05:05:51 AM
Heads up: patch out and expansion immanent:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/698280/Stars_in_Shadow_Legacies/


Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tuna on August 30, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
Just finished my first game last night, I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome and it's not even an FPS that required fast clicking!!!
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Shelldrake on August 30, 2017, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: Tuna on August 30, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
Just finished my first game last night, I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome and it's not even an FPS that required fast clicking!!!

How do you rate the game? I have had a hard time getting into Master of Orion 4.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Nefaro on August 30, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: Shelldrake on August 30, 2017, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: Tuna on August 30, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
Just finished my first game last night, I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome and it's not even an FPS that required fast clicking!!!

How do you rate the game? I have had a hard time getting into Master of Orion 4.


Sounds like an 8.5 on the carpal tunnel scale.


Wait... I thought people were saying MOO4 was too simplified?  Or is your problem just getting in the mood for it?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Shelldrake on August 30, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Nefaro on August 30, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: Shelldrake on August 30, 2017, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: Tuna on August 30, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
Just finished my first game last night, I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome and it's not even an FPS that required fast clicking!!!

How do you rate the game? I have had a hard time getting into Master of Orion 4.


Sounds like an 8.5 on the carpal tunnel scale.


Wait... I thought people were saying MOO4 was too simplified?  Or is your problem just getting in the mood for it?

Mood is the problem. Same tech tree for all races and really not much difference between playing each anyway.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tuna on August 30, 2017, 04:36:37 PM
I'd call it beer and pretzels four x. But really the battles are fun, I hate how most 4x, don't really let you control anything in battle. Figuring out how you have to equip your ships, where to focus your research. Races have little differences between them. Some can't build certain classes of ships. Humans start out without a homeworld.

Watch a few videos, you'll get a feel for what it's like. Not a huge learning curve.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on February 25, 2018, 09:28:01 AM
If you are tired of the too blue space background, here's a mod to change it. Find the following file:

Steam\steamapps\common\Stars in Shadow\Lua state\Drawers\Background\tile_lower_con.png

save a copy (so you can revert back), and change it with this one (right click and 'Save Image As...' over the current one):

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Ftile_lower_con.png&hash=3dda0c0a3b19035830f6ce95ba96eb421ddabfd2)

Here's what it will look like:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fsisback.jpg&hash=f81c169c268b596b43b6521ede2c1394d16e1c80)

If I get bored I might change out more of the interface and tone it all down.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Nefaro on February 25, 2018, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: bbmike on February 25, 2018, 09:28:01 AM
If you are tired of the too blue space background, here's a mod to change it. Find the following file:

Steam\steamapps\common\Stars in Shadow\Lua state\Drawers\Background\tile_lower_con.png

save a copy (so you can revert back), and change it with this one (right click and 'Save Image As...' over the current one):

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Ftile_lower_con.png&hash=3dda0c0a3b19035830f6ce95ba96eb421ddabfd2)

Here's what it will look like:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fsisback.jpg&hash=f81c169c268b596b43b6521ede2c1394d16e1c80)

If I get bored I might change out more of the interface and tone it all down.

Thanks!

Been wanting much less blue in that game.  Dunno why they went so damn nuts with giving everything a blue tint of some sort.   :idiot2:
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: solops on February 25, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
I HATE the blue background. Even though it is only a trivial thing, it has really kept me from playing. Sad, huh? I think I will really spend more time with it now. The cartoony races do not bother me because I rarely see them. But the blue background is CONSTANT. SiS is a good and under-appreciated game.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on February 28, 2018, 05:53:43 PM
Quote from: bbmike on February 25, 2018, 09:28:01 AM
If you are tired of the too blue space background, here's a mod to change it. Find the following file:

Steam\steamapps\common\Stars in Shadow\Lua state\Drawers\Background\tile_lower_con.png

save a copy (so you can revert back), and change it with this one (right click and 'Save Image As...' over the current one):

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Ftile_lower_con.png&hash=3dda0c0a3b19035830f6ce95ba96eb421ddabfd2)

Here's what it will look like:

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fsisback.jpg&hash=f81c169c268b596b43b6521ede2c1394d16e1c80)

If I get bored I might change out more of the interface and tone it all down.


Thanks for the tip I got the main screen to look so much better but cannot for the life of me edit the space screen with my own pics. How did you edit the pic to get it to fit the full screen? I get overlapping ones?

Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on February 28, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
^That looks better!  O0
Not sure what you mean by 'fit the full screen'. I just used the same image size as the original which was 2,048px × 2,048px.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on February 28, 2018, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: bbmike on February 28, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
^That looks better!  O0
Not sure what you mean by 'fit the full screen'. I just used the same image size as the original which was 2,048px × 2,048px.

Yep I did the same thing but if you look at my second pic you will see four images converging. I can't get it to just be one image?
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: bbmike on February 28, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on February 28, 2018, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: bbmike on February 28, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
^That looks better!  O0
Not sure what you mean by 'fit the full screen'. I just used the same image size as the original which was 2,048px × 2,048px.

Yep I did the same thing but if you look at my second pic you will see four images converging. I can't get it to just be one image?

Yeah, that's a problem with the program itself. They seem to tile the image. Even the original game files look like that if you look closely. I tried to edit the edges of my image to make it less noticeable.
Title: Re: Stars In Shadow - Another Space 4X
Post by: Tanaka on February 28, 2018, 07:56:15 PM
Quote from: bbmike on February 28, 2018, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: Tanaka on February 28, 2018, 07:36:11 PM
Quote from: bbmike on February 28, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
^That looks better!  O0
Not sure what you mean by 'fit the full screen'. I just used the same image size as the original which was 2,048px × 2,048px.

Yep I did the same thing but if you look at my second pic you will see four images converging. I can't get it to just be one image?

Yeah, that's a problem with the program itself. They seem to tile the image. Even the original game files look like that if you look closely. I tried to edit the edges of my image to make it less noticeable.

Ah that was driving me crazy haha. Now I know why yours looks so much better! Will use yours then thanks!