fuck yes! more of this please. :ThumbsUp:
I highly recommend watch Star Wars Rebels before watching this show. for one its a damn good series in its own right and theres a lot that happens in it that will be a part of this story.
Nice. I have serious catching up to do.
this is some of the goodness in Rebels:
I'm down for it but yes...that was a trailer for the new Season of Rebels less than a new show.
Mandalorian Season 3 is not much different. Rebels and Clone Wars characters popping in left and right.
I'm glad I've been a completist cause I'd be lost.
Im fine with a new season of live action Rebels. :RockOn:
gimmi more of my bro Chopper! :knuppel2:
Veil of the Force reboot incoming...?!
literally more Heir to the Empire.
ffs where are all the SW nerds.
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 08, 2023, 01:59:23 PMVeil of the Force reboot incoming...?!
Please no Doomcock or Midnight's Edge...oh boy Those guys and their "reports" :uglystupid2:
I mean, I don't like the sequels either, but no Star Wars has shown zero desire to retcon them. Filoni and Favreau have been saying, probably under orders, at every step that everything in these shows is leading to the sequels.
Cat's out of that bag. The best thing they can do is what they are, at least providing us the sequel we wanted, "Heir to the Empire" while keeping it far enough away from the Sequels that we don't really have to think about them too hard.
And like I say, I was no fan of them. Funny story, when sitting down during the divorce process and deciding who got what movies from our, 15 year collection, when it came to the Star Wars films I told my ex-wife she could have the sequels. She didn't even want them, I told them she got them anyway as long as I got my Final Cut of Blade Runner.
She, correctly said that I had just given the sequels the worst review humanly possible. We laughed and shared a nice amused moment, one of the last.
give me Thrawn and Chopper! these are the two characters I identify with. :notworthy:
Even more good news- it's been announced that Lars Mikkelsen will play Thrown, reprising his voice-acting role for live action.
Quote from: Staggerwing on April 08, 2023, 07:17:58 PMEven more good news- it's been announced that Lars Mikkelsen will play Thrown, reprising his voice-acting role for live action.
Yeah, that made me super happy.
There's no Thrawn without that voice. He nailed it in Rebels completely and looks the part in live action.
I really wish they'd used the voice actors for everyone else except Ezra though (due to age). There's going to be something missing from Ahsoka, Hera and Sabine without the proper voices.
Oh well, at least they did the right thing with Thrawn and Bo-Katan.
0.) Doomcock has been right about a lot of things, though his sources naturally reflect the spazziness of Disney's internal management struggles at any given time.
1.) In this case, the important point is whether that pattern in the background is the Veil of the Force or not, a plot-device introduced in one of the (good) animated series with retcon capabilities.
2.) Even if it is, that doesn't mean the sequels will be retconned out, even in favor of a closer-to-canon Thrawn trilogy (though personally I'd think that was ideal). Star Wars has had a bad habit of baiting fans in their productions for the past howeversomany years. (Aside from the animated series again, admittedly.)
3.) Frankly I think the Mandalorian writers have no idea what they're doing with Bo-Katan, other than maybe replacing 'Mando' with her eventually. The current Season 3 storyline has made her and the other Mandolorians look super dippy. I love Katee Sackhoff as an actress, but.
4.) I have zero faith the current administration is capable or even really all that willing to give us Heir to the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy with any coherent quality (aside from visuals, maybe). At this point, any news about them touching something I like sounds like bad news.
5.) I acknowledge Andor has been a glaring exception to the current rulership rule. It's the only live-action show I would be glad to buy on Blu if they would just take my money already! I would like to say that Andor gives me hope, but the status quo only depresses me about the thought that if it gets a second season they'll trash it somehow.
Me several years ago: LONE WOLF AND CUB BUT LONE WOLF IS CLINT EASTWOOD'S MAN WITH NO NAME AS A MANDOLORIAN AND CUB IS A POSSIBLY EVIL BABY YODA?! :RockOn: :RockOn: :RockOn: :RockOn:
Me also several years ago until now: :uglystupid2: :buck2: :uglystupid2: :buck2: :uglystupid2: :buck2:
Current Star Wars execs: "Say, how about a series about Darth Vader?"
Me: NOOOOOOOOOOO! (Subtitled "Do not want.")
its a shame that some people have forgotten how to just sit back and be entertained without the need to nitpick every little thing to death.
to your points...
1. all of the animated series have been good
2. the sequels arent being retconned out, the end of the Mandalorian and Ahsoka are dovetailing into how the First Order started and Thrawn will be a part of that.
3. the know exactly what theyre doing its just not what you want, Ive had no problems with the season so far.
4. no you arent going to get the Thrawn trilogy, that ship sailed a long time ago. put your big boy pants on.
5. yes, Andor is excellent.
Perhaps there is a middle ground. I get Jason's thoughts, as they are pretty close to mine regarding SW, but I also get what you're saying as well Star.
Yoda once said, "You must unlearn what you have learned", and he's right. Kylo Ren once said, "You have to forget the past, kill it if you must", and in a way he's right.
I will never submit to the blasphemy that Disney has twisted SW into. Never. I might be willing to unlearn what I've learned but I will never agree to kill the past.
No, I will silently live in the past and relish what was once a great franchise but now is nothing but a tool to be used by "the man" to keep a brother down.
I wish I could be more open about Star Wars but I can't. In some ways I envy those who can watch a show and be entertained but I'm an admitted psychotic Star Wars traditionalist. Same thing with Godzilla by the way, but that's a topic for another thread.
Edit: Sorry forgot one more point that popped into my mind just now. For me, it's very hard to let go of what brought so much joy to me as a child. I think that's the real reason why I don't accept the new Star Wars.
what are the specifics of why you dont like the newer stuff?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on April 11, 2023, 04:08:53 PMwhat are the specifics of why you dont like the newer stuff?
Well the specifics I mention might not be fair to condemn all of the new stuff but here goes:
I totally rejected the Star Wars movies episodes 7-9. They didn't make much sense and they portrayed the male characters as fools as well as trashing all the old characters. The new characters had nothing to say other than rich people bad and other woke bs. Actually I never saw 9 nor do I ever plan to. Resurrecting Palpy then having Rey turn out to be a Palpitine?
I didn't like the Kenobi series. They made him out to be such a depressed loser I couldn't bare to watch more than the first 2 episodes. And what was up with baby Leia running all the missions like she's the main star of the show?
I did like the Mandalorian as well as Book of Fett. Saw one episode of Anders and thought it was well done.
But mainly I really got turned off from the movies I guess. Left such a bad taste in my mouth I gave up. Although I did like Rogue 1. That movie had a classic SW vibe to it but was much more dystopian then the originals ever were.
Quote from: W8taminute on April 11, 2023, 08:17:32 PMI totally rejected the Star Wars movies episodes 7-9. They didn't make much sense and they portrayed the male characters as fools as well as trashing all the old characters. The new characters had nothing to say other than rich people bad and other woke bs. Actually I never saw 9 nor do I ever plan to. Resurrecting Palpy then having Rey turn out to be a Palpitine?
I didn't like the Kenobi series. They made him out to be such a depressed loser I couldn't bare to watch more than the first 2 episodes. And what was up with baby Leia running all the missions like she's the main star of the show?
I've never really understood the rejection of the sequels are woke. They were no less so in a lot of ways than the originals. Lucas us a very vocal leftist, and he took a lot from film from Star Wars like Kurosawa and Flash Gordon and Dune. However, he took a lot of real world politics. Lucas insisted on a primitive race defeating the Empire in a jungle setting because they were stand ins for the inferior tech socalist revolutionaries that he admired. Palpatine was originally written as a Nixon Clone. The main enemies of the prequels were the wealthy industrial concerns. The Death Star was a stand in for the absurdities of the Military Industrial complex. He directly inserted quotes from a President he didn't agree with and had the Sith speak them.
If anything the sequels were less overtly political, by a lot, than the original Star Wars films. Rinzler goes into a lot of this in his excellent making of books that has a lot of recorded behind the scenes conversations in the making of the original films. Lucas' constant insistence on inserting anti-right political barbs while at the same time being nothing but obsessed with maximizing his own profits drove Lawrence Kasdan nuts when he was on board, especially when the two of them went to war on why the Ewoks were even necessary (They were adorable little Viet Cong).
Outside that, I agree. The sequels were disjointed, poorly thought out, and were for me...in some cases maybe not woke enough. It inserted Lucas's allegories and removed all the subtlety.
They had no plan when they made them and each writer and director involved confirms that. Disney had some weird idea that the best approach was let each film maker do their own thing. It became a horrific mess.
Rise of Skywalker tried to roll back everything The Last Jedi did and it made both movies worthless. Palpatine was a desperate last gasp to insert something interesting.
They had a germ of ideas. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo became a surprisingly good character by the end. I liked the idea of Rey but not the execution of it. They tried to "fix" the mess of Luke in Rise of Skywalker but it just seemed like a throwaway fan service retcon with no value.
Now...Kenobi. Yep, I heard a lot of people that turned it off by episode 2 because they didn't like how weak Kenobi was.
Force forbid he have some character development. I mean, watching his order destroyed, having to "kill" his best friend, watching his failure result in the Empire taking the galaxy...yeah, no PTSD there.
So...we have a show about a broken man who finds himself again, and by the end is a better, stronger version of himself. It takes time to get there, more than 2 episodes, and oh he gets worse before he gets better. But that's the point, the journey to see him pick himself back up and become the far more zen, and even more powerful Master that he was in A New Hope. But, yeah, he's not a macho superman to begin that just let everything bounce off him.
My ire at this isn't directed mostly at anyone here. I hate the white noise online and the current hate culture that exists in Media analysis. Working in media myself, it makes it even more annoying because right now, disliking something for whatever socio-political message the film contains is really what many in media content creation do.
you both realize that the animated series are the connective tissue for the live action movies and shows?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on April 11, 2023, 09:09:11 PMyou both realize that the animated series are the connective tissue for the live action movies and shows?
Absolutely. And I really enjoy all of them, though I'm behind on Bad Batch, need to fix that.
And I also agree that if you haven't seen the animated shows you're losing a lot in the live action, especially now.
The more I hear about Star Wars here, the more confused I am about the whole franchise. And the less likely I am to ever watch it again. I guess the irony here is Lucas who was apparently a dedicated Socialist, began a series that made him a multi-millionaire through Capitalism that he despised? Then saw his creation taken-over by the ultimate money-making machine of all time, Disney. In the real world, the Empire usually wins. :wink:
as an observation, capitalism and socialism often live side by side in the modern world. :magnify: :justice:
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 11, 2023, 09:40:35 PMLucas who was apparently a dedicated Socialist, began a series that made him a multi-millionaire
Lucas is worth around $5 Billion in assets. It'd be more than that but the $4 Billion Disney paid him for Lucasfilms he donated to charity.
Also super fair to note that Lucas is far more anti-Colonialist than anti-Capitalist.
I don't know what, 'Anti-Colonialist' is but from your above post I assumed he was more Socialist. I really have no idea what he was trying to message us with his vision(s), but the 3 original movies were great and that's where they should've stopped in my opinion. I did enjoy parts of the animated series toward the middle of the series I guess. I never got past where they resurrected Darth Maul.
But if he'd have stopped after the original 3, we never would've gotten the two Ewok movies. Wilford Brimley.....in SPAAACCCEEEE
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^Haha! That's too funny. I'm going to watch Fonzie jump the shark now.
After that watch the Star Wars Christmas Special. It hits home, especially in April.
I thought I made it clear that I think all the animated series are good, but I see how my first remark on that could be read as though there was only one good series. (Though I think everyone agrees the main Clone War series got off to a rough start; one of the others, too.) A problem with there being no distinction between singular and plural series in English, alas.
I don't care that much about whether there are 'work' 'woke' things in Star Wars -- and I'm very well aware that Lucas himself was a radical leftist by the standards of his time (cheering for the Viet Cong essentially etc) so this line of advance is not a new thing. I watch and read plenty of things with political slants and worldviews I disagree with but still can enjoy. That's life and art.
I care about writing quality, plotting, characterization, and acting. Aside from Andor, the live-action series (plural!) and the sequel trilogy have not lived up to specs for me; Ahsoka will have to prove to be better -- as Andor did, so I realize that isn't metaphysically impossible, but I have long since stopped daring to assume it anymore. I enjoy the prequel trilogy despite all its problems, but that's the low bar for me so far. I enjoyed TFA and Rogue One despite all their problems, but they barely passed the bar. Relatedly, they're also the last live-action material I bought. (I'll definitely buy Andor once it ever gets released.)
{{Kylo Ren/Ben Solo became a surprisingly good character by the end. I liked the idea of Rey but not the execution of it.}}
I can agree with that.
My problems with Kenobi were not his PTSD and the attempted character arc per se, except for their execution of that (mostly). Again, it was the plot design, characterizations, general writing incompetence, acting in some cases.
I can't think of a single live-action show so far (since TFA) that I didn't want to like. That includes Solo and the sequel trilogy in principle!
Im just wondering if theres any topic slash wont inject his politics into?
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2023, 10:21:35 AMAfter that watch the Star Wars Christmas Special. It hits home, especially in April.
Um, that's the Star Wars HOLIDAY Special, not Christmas. That's important, because the Special actually aired before Thanksgiving, not that anyone really remembers the real time event well. :Nerd: :Nerd: :Nerd: :Nerd: :Nerd:
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 12, 2023, 10:37:47 AMI don't care that much about whether there are 'work' things in Star Wars -- and I'm very well aware that Lucas himself was a radical leftist by the standards of his time (cheering for the Viet Cong essentially etc)
I don't really either and I think we probably agree more than we disagree.
But, to the point of Lucas being more anti-colonial than anti-capitalist, the important thing to note there is that Lucas was far more an admirer of the Viet-Minh than Viet-Cong. He was less passionate about the socio-economic struggle of the great powers and more interested in Vietnam's struggle for independence against, both sides Communist and Capitalist over time.
It's important to note in his mindset, if you're looking at fictional inspiration, that the Battle of Endor was inspired by Dien Bien Phu rather than any of the later events.
Is there a Star Wars Hanukah Special featuring Chewie as a moyle?
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2023, 12:10:35 PMIs there a Star Wars Hanukah Special featuring Chewie as a moyle?
I wish. :chewie: :emporerslightning:
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2023, 12:10:35 PMIs there a Star Wars Hanukah Special featuring Chewie as a moyle?
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:Dreamer:
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QuoteNo, in LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga it is impossible to assassinate children, as they are completely invulnerable. If you try to emulate Darth Vader right after his turning to the dark side you will discover that these characters don't explode into little pieces like the rest. However, players have used these infants to exploit an interesting glitch.
Streamer Red Orb has dubbed the technique "Child Flight." The game's battle system allows for continuous aerial attacks without touching the ground, and if you do it with the immortal children you can reach forbidden areas. This content creator has experimented with different characters to perform different combinations, which will surely favor speedrunners in their goal of completing the game as quickly as possible.
https://en.as.com/meristation/2022/04/07/news/1649336315_608998.html
slightly better article
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/this-lego-star-wars-exploit-lets-you-fly-by-beating-up-child-anakin/1100-6502271/
Quote from: Gusington on April 12, 2023, 10:21:35 AMAfter that watch the Star Wars Christmas Special. It hits home, especially in April.
Ok I busted out laughing just now after reading that and my co-workers think I've lost it.
:Party:
I liked the Star Wars Christmas Special. Better than Star's obsession with people's politics anyway.
I always thought of the original 3 as LotR in space, not an hidden case for Political Revolution/ Struggles. It was entertaining not commentary or opinion. I miss movies entertaining people. Most of us not as smart as Lucas would totally miss the message I think.
taking your analogy then Ahsoka is the Gandalf of the series and that arc starts with the Clone Wars Mortis arc.
I know, more confusion for you.
this is the most up to date list of the order in which the media should be watched as of March 2023.
https://www.ign.com/articles/star-wars-movies-tv-shows-chronological-order
its not like you have anything else to do.
The list is missing both Ewok movies and the Droids animated series. Muh continuity!
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 12, 2023, 04:34:20 PMThe list is missing both Ewok movies and the Droids animated series. Muh continuity!
Check above! Caravan of Courage has been mentioned.
And man were those films dark for kids movies. Oh, hey boys and girls, lets watch our child main character's entire family murdered in front of her eyes! Fun Ewok Adventure time with Wilford Brimlley!!
no need to even talk about ewok specials. it'll bring slash back to 'Nam. :ROFL:
Watch out for Brimleys up in the trees...
Is it quaint of me to think it's generally preferable to watch movies/shows in the order they came out? :Dreamer:
not at all. this is one of those cases where there is so much content now that its easier to just go from a to z to keep plots and stories coherent.
Well, if there was any question at all that they were retconning the sequels out and not leading into them, tonight's Mandalorian decisively and definitively put that to rest.
:emporerslightning: :emporerslightning: :emporerslightning:
At least some of the glaring questions about who, what and why the First Order even exists finally got expounded on.
kinda hard to retcon them out when Rey is confirmed to be doing another movie.
^I do too. Olde.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on April 12, 2023, 08:05:55 PMkinda hard to retcon them out when Rey is confirmed to be doing another movie.
KK has 'confirmed' a lot of things that never happened -- so much so that she was reprimanded by Iger (iirc) for repeatedly announcing projects to boost stock value when there weren't really actual plans in motion yet for doing them.
That being said, I fully acknowledge there seem to be more legs on this move, so far.
It could also be related to KK throwing a final Hail Mary with IJ5, which her involvement nearly ruined, and hoping it lands in the end-zone to cement her involvement in more Lucas-things going forward. Whatever the truth is behind the shifting delays and changes in the Dial of Destiny, including its marketing (such as it is), the current push does show bold confidence in its quality, including releasing it at Cannes many months before actual distribution. Boldly confident announcing of more Star Wars vaporfilms at the same time could be part of the same show-no-weakness hope. A new hope, one might say.
Jon Favreau being edged out would be part of that same show-confidence strategy. If IJ5 hits a home run (or near enough) KK's current plans can proceed (even if she retires with honors on the way, cementing her legacy going forward). If it flops, that Veil of the Force pattern behind the Ahsoka logo can be plot-activated, in which case it doesn't necessarily matter that Mando is setting up connections to the First Order: the retcon will be as complete as the new overseers decide it needs to be.
Regardless of whether JonFav or KK succeed in creative control going forward (or neither of them), I have no confidence in (live-action) product quality at this point. If it's great or even good, great; if not, that's only what I expect now, no disappointments anymore. :buck2:
Quote from: SirAndrewD on April 12, 2023, 11:39:38 AMBut, to the point of Lucas being more anti-colonial than anti-capitalist, the important thing to note there is that Lucas was far more an admirer of the Viet-Minh than Viet-Cong. He was less passionate about the socio-economic struggle of the great powers and more interested in Vietnam's struggle for independence against, both sides Communist and Capitalist over time.
It's important to note in his mindset, if you're looking at fictional inspiration, that the Battle of Endor was inspired by Dien Bien Phu rather than any of the later events.
That's a fair qualification. :peace:
Back to KK, keep in mind that up until now she has had a good grip on the trade magazines when it comes to supportive preliminary buzz for her announced projects. No less than three trades, however, pronounced scepticism about the Rey trilogy coming. On the business side of things, it's important to remember there is no preproduction yet, everything's still very much in flux, and these business mags aren't the Overlord Doomcock types who hate the drop in quality (blamed fairly or unfairly on social justice pandering -- although the point for most of such critics, Doomcock included, isn't the social justice messaging per se but the use of that material as insulation against criticizing a drop in quality, which happens to correlate with the increase of overt messaging for whatever reasons or coincidences.)
Those trades by the way are The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, and Matthew Bellamy (I might have his name slightly wrong) who left the Reporter to start his own trade. Bellamy's trade is new, but he's highly connected, and the other two are the top trades in the US. If Bellamy says earlier this week those projects aren't greenlit, then at that time those projects weren't greenlit, and Variety today (or yesterday) basically still concurs. Moreover, at the level of high-source announcements, the trades are more-or-less company propaganda promotion: if they're being sceptical and cautioning about not getting expectations up yet, that probably means Iger told them to say so or at least gave permission.
KK's announcement of the new trilogy and related projects, like another push for Acolytes, fits very much into her prior struggles with pushback from higher management over their perceived failure of the brand. Iger himself sends a lot of mixed messages -- most recently his infamous live-shareholder call reports -- but he fired Victoria Alonzo over her reportedly sketchy financial behavior, which she has (perhaps conveniently) reframed as punishment for her insistence on fighting Florida over social issues and refusing to support Iger negotiating with Florida. The more important point is that, regardless for why he kicked her out, she was regarded as invulnerable within the Disney system thanks to her unimpeachable intersectional hierarchy (for which she predictably launched ripostes with various lawsuit threats that Iger fired her because he's various ista-phobe flavors.) If Iger was willing to bite the bullet on kicking her to the curb, that's a signal that KK's final chance has arrived to repair brand damage to Lucasfilm property and its consequential financial damage; because if Alonzo can go, Kennedy is definitely vulnerable. It's in this context that KK defied Iger's remonstrations about announcing phantom projects, and started pushing The Acolyte again along with a suddenly announced Rey-centered trilogy. As long as they look like they still might be made, she has at least a little more protection from being moved along from creative control over Lucasfilm. And if she rolls a hard eight betting on IJ5, then she gets to stay for another five-years-plus; and plans will be in place, or look like they're in place, for her to go forward with. (Though as with her other phantom plans, she can always jettison them for various reasons in favor of other plans; which to be fair is usually normal studio procedure, but she has a weird track record on this so far: even her released products don't tend to go home with whoever brought them!)
Again, Iger says publicly (during that shareholder meeting) they're going to be very careful about how many Star Wars projects they'll be doing for the foreseeable future; and suddenly, out of the blue, Kennedy announces the Acolyte project will continue and a new Rey trilogy (with Daisy brought out for the announcement) at the public festival. One of the reasons the trades were skeptical about this, is that their sources indicated this announcement was such a closely guarded secret that only a few people around Kennedy knew about it. That means there were no plans first and then a public announcement. As usual for KK, it's an announcement of intention first, and then plans are made later, maybe.
There's a lot of infighting going on at Disney right now over the various houses of cards collapsing, and those collapses aren't simply whiny internet commentators whose feelings feel hurt by the products (at least in live action) since TFA. The market broadly is leaving Disney-related products, including Marvel and Lucasfilm, and there's an unavoidable power struggle at Disney over whose fault that is, why, and what should or even can be done about it.
The infighting at Disney has reached some seriously schizophrenic levels this week. On one hand, Kennedy is busy promoting The Acolyte series and its spin-off Skeleton Crew, telling her audience that she doesn't need fans of Lucas' Star Wars, she just wants to do her own thing and she's never making a Lucas-style Star Wars product again, she's done with that. (This isn't subtext, btw, this is text.) This is despite her looming disaster with the Dial of Destiny which she had sent to Cannes as a confidence move but which has returned some seriously dire sounding reviews even from access media types -- she's even setting up her own production company in case she leaves Lucasfilm, and in case no one else wants to hire her (with industry buzz being that other studios regard her as poison now). She has supposedly brought on board some people jumping ship from Marvel Studios.
On the other hand, Filoni -- whose alliance with Kennedy has driven off Favreau at last -- has launched a plan to do a reboot sequel trilogy making an adaptation of Heir to the Empire, for which he has brought on board a star-studded creative-effort crew up to and including Lucas himself, using the Ahsoka series as well as Kenobi Season 2 (maybe also Mando Season 4 and Andor Season 2) as his setup. This sounds a lot like the Veil of the Force plot which has been rumored for a while.
I don't even know anymore. Is it possible that Lucasfilm will keep two distinct continuities going, even if one side overtly distances itself from Lucas material? Could work, by doing deep prequel stories, except that Kennedy has a habit of announcing projects which don't happen or which ripcord off very differently than what was sold at a huge expense. On the other hand, is Filoni just wishful thinking, or fan-pandering for a bait and switch? Ahsoka is VERY MUCH his baby, and the first thing in production that (reportedly) Kennedy had no hand in at all, so it isn't impossible that he has crazy-big plans for it going back to Lucas-root focus. Which in itself isn't necessarily a good thing (e.g. the prequel trilogy and George's own increasingly crazy sequel plans, though by now the prequels have done well in fan re-evaluations over the generation since release.) True, Lucas signed off on Zahn's Thrawn trilogy as the official sequel plot for a long time, but he had little to no creative input on it, and supposedly (that word gets a lot of qualifier application!) he's going to be brought back in for creative input if not control -- and yet Heir to the Empire, a kickoff to a sequel storyline Lucas had practically nothing to do with creatively, is supposedly coming now.
Oh and also for their 10 year anniversary, the current sequel trilogy will be re-released with re-edits, new filmed scenes, new scene sequencing, deleted scenes installed, new effects....
:buck2:
I really just want things to settle down into stable quality stories and production.
Mike Zeroh has been collecting recent news about both sides of Lucasfilm's Star Wars plotting on his channel over the past few days. He's a moderate fan who likes portions of the Disney SW material and sees potential for it while also acknowledging its problems.
Reminder: this isn't fan speculation, it's based on actual comments by the producers and creators recently, BUT neither are these things (mostly) set to go.
I'm going to try to sort Zeroh's news recaps over the past 5 days in the next post. Patience while I edit, please.
Accidentally closed some tabs before I could post them; and I'm resorting in chronological order. As new news gets released over the past 5 days, Zeroh will talk about it and naturally some things get re-covered again and again for context. The whole thing is very confusing as to what's really happening, what various creators wish would happen, and who is even still involved: I started this thinking JonFav was gone, and by the time I finished editing the sequence apparently (!) I was wrong and he's re-investing in his Star Wars projects with (apparent!) treacherous enemy Filoni, or maybe he's leaving but on really good terms with his plans in good hands going forward......
oy. Have fun parsing through two hours of news. And somewhat clickbaity titles. :buck2:
I think they should do a re-make of, "Thunderdome". And all get in it. And stay there.
And get new scenes with recently-passed Tina Turner, using CGI facework. :ThumbsUp:
In case anyone cares what Overlord Doomcock and his sources (and Kamran Pasha's sources) rumor about what's going on recently, here's some discussion between them on Filoni's Heir to the Empire project:
Keeping in mind Doomcock has been VERY increasingly hostile to the (live-action) Disney projects, aside from Andor to some degree, and Mando Seasons 1 and 2 which he initially loved but has come to see increasing problems with over the years (but still holds as the gold standard for the current work, such as it is).
He is full of grave suspicion over Filoni's plans and intentions, although logically it makes sense that an Heir film, even though an adaptation of the first Thrawn Trilogy novel, would need to be replotted significantly in order to fit prior work including the sequel trilogy. That said he is MUCH more hostile toward Filoni than for example Zeroh. Or Pasha for that matter, who regards Filoni's moves as company politics necessary to survive and get things done, but whose own sources report that Filoni and Fav are on good working and creative terms behind the scenes.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1666151021071192064
Bro's birthday will be on the 22nd. He and I will both be ready: I'm hearing a lot of good buzz about Ahsoka!
Zeroh has some news about Ahsoka Season Two plans.
Mike Zeroh pulls together more plans of Filoni and (to a lesser extent) JonFav to retcon Eps 7-9 with special edition releases in 2025, 27, and 29 (for their 10 year anniversaries).
That Veil pattern is DEFINITELY part of Ahsoka's title card, so it's going to be used for changing things; however, the current plan is not to retcon the sequel trilogy out of existence but to effectively work up to the sequel trilogy in a much better way (including an intraquel film trilogy borrowing as much of the Thrawn trilogy plotline as possible under the circumstances, becoming the back lore for the 'official' trilogy).
There is a massive fix-fic plan coming, in other words, which Kennedy has nothing to do with, but which will rehabilitate and save her own sequel trilogy as much as possible. The Ahsoka Season One starting in late August kicks this off.
Please stop with Mike Zeroh. He's so utterly discredited that some speculate he might be SuperShadow. His stuff is utter mysogyst trash that has zero basis in reality.
I mean, anyone not Pratt, if you read this trash, google Mike Zeroh and google Mickey Suttle aka SuperShadow. They may not be the same person but just the utter amount of absolute anti-everything drivel is absurd.
This is utterly beneath this site and by using Mike Zeroh we're getting into R&P territory based on his body of material.
:huh:
^Never heard of this guy.
havent watched any of it. I just dont concern myself with other peoples opinions about something thats purely entertainment.
I certainly don't mind not posting Zeroh, and if his reporting has been discredited massively in the past couple of months thanks for saying so -- though some details would be informative. Zeroh seems to be reporting and synthesizing together information from the trades and other public promotional sources, about the plans stated by Filoni, Favreau, and (on the other hand) Kennedy, but has stated several times that with Disney and especially Lucasfilm in such a financial mess right now nobody's plans are necessarily going to work out, though he has more hope for the larger plans of F&F than Kennedy's (even for rescuing the future reputation of Kennedy's contributions.)
I've watched all the videos I posted and I didn't find anything misogynistic in them. Maybe he does that somewhere else? Ditto R&P material?
As for "the utter amount of absolute anti-everything drivel", again I've actually watched the videos I've posted and he's fairly moderate about the quality of the Star Wars material under Disney, including the sequel trilogy which he likes various portions of and would like to see made more cohesive (though he's somewhat doubtful the planned fixes can fully fix them.) Maybe you're confusing him with Doomcock? Or maybe he toned down a few months ago before I found him?
I'm seriously puzzled, but I'll stop posting him.
Ah, Googling around, I see that he has definitely earned a bad reputation for false information (at least) since at least as far back as 2017 (including earning the direct ire of Rian Johnson of all people). Haven't found anything discrediting his work in the past few months yet (e.g. lying about the articles and interviews from principal creators which he appears to be citing), but that may come.
I appreciate the heads-up, SirAndrew, thanks. :martini:
Nah, post what you like.
I think Zeroh has serious credibility problems and you can do some research on it yourself.
I was however in an unrelated sour mood related to other things and took it out on you. So, I'm sorry for my tone.
Hopefully we can all rejoice together when Ahsoka arrives! :justice:
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 10, 2023, 10:23:47 PMHopefully we can all rejoice together when Ahsoka arrives! :justice:
Hopefully. If it's bad I won't be shy about saying so.
Did I ever tell you about Ahsoka? WARNING!! - Not suitable for work
I have to admit I have absolutely no idea what's going on in that trailer, aside from there being a new heir to the Empire and something about a pair of girlboss protagonists. When is this set? Is this all meaningful to people who have watched all the other Star Wars shows? :shocked:
Not to be a curmudgeon but.... I'm the kind of guy whose love for Star Wars mostly lies with the original 1977 film and The Empire Strikes Back. Is there anything in this for someone who hasn't seen/read/played the dozens of adjacent media that's been released in the meantime?
it has a lot more weight if your all caught up.
Quote from: al_infierno on July 12, 2023, 01:11:46 AMNot to be a curmudgeon but.... I'm the kind of guy whose love for Star Wars mostly lies with the original 1977 film and The Empire Strikes Back. Is there anything in this for someone who hasn't seen/read/played the dozens of adjacent media that's been released in the meantime?
Short answer: no.
Less short answer: it's setting up a plotline (beloved by a lot of fans including myself) which would have had tons of relevance to the original trilogy through RotJ (before the prequels were even worked up by Lucas), and which continues a plotline that had tons of relevance to the prequel films. Its original relevance to the OT can't really be done now, but one showrunner-group is going to try their best to splice it into the Disney-produced plotlines.
So, still probably no.
Longer answer ***** skip now if you don't care! ******
Ahsoka-the-character was (arguably) Anakin Skywalker's best apprentice (correction via Star below, his only apprentice) before he fell to the dark side and became Darth Vader. A good chunk of (now canon) prior animated series, set during and after the Clone Wars, and after RotJ, was devoted to her growing up into a mature Jedi from a bratty teenager. If I recall correctly (not having seen any of those animated series either, though SW fans generally like them a lot, so I see references occasionally), she discovered a third path between the Light and Dark sides, creating a faction of Grey Jedi.
Ahsoka-the-series is setting up an importation of the original plot of Timothy Zahn's
original sequel trilogy of novels (officially approved by Lucas), beloved by very many fans (myself included). These novels followed up Return of the Jedi with further adventures of Luke, Leia, and Han, having to deal with the formation of the new Republic and the new Jedi Order, while a leftover Admiral Thrawne from the Empire (the blue-skinned cultured guy with red glowing eyes, one of the titular "Heir{s} to the Empire") arrives from being kind of banished to the fringes by the Emperor to get suuuuuuper-competent at managing the fleet remnants against the New Republic. (He's also a beloved legacy character and practically a Villain Protagonist.) Luke's eventual wife, Mara Jade, is also introduced as an assassin for the former Empire, driven by impulses from the ghost of Palpatine to hunt down and kill Luke.
Note: it doesn't look like the Ahsoka series per se will be doing that plot, only setting up the splice attempt later in Season Two.
The plotline of the novel series can't be spliced directly into the film and TV series continuity anymore, but the showrunners are going to try their best to make it work. So, many fans of the original expanded universe material after RotJ (largely rejected by current management up until now) are rejoicing.
Also, there's a LOT of managerial drama in real life behind the scenes, and this series represents one faction pulling ahead of the other, maybe. But trust me, that way lies insanity, delve into it at your own risk. :hair:
Star and others can help fill any important summary setup details if I've forgotten or didn't know about them.
Hey, by the way! -- was that a Jaxxon reference?!
If so, they're leaning on the member-berries hard to sell their new plotline.
(Also, oh look, it's the Veil of the Force: a plot device which could theoretically reset the continuity entirely, depending on how the managerial drama behind the scenes resolves. :rolleyes: )
shes was Anakins only apprentice.
I highly recommend the animated shows.
QuoteIf I recall correctly (not having seen any of those animated series either, though SW fans generally like them a lot, so I see references occasionally), she discovered a third path between the Light and Dark sides, creating a faction of Grey Jedi.
then you really really need to watch the Clone Wars and Rebels. she is not a grey Jedi, shes the light side of the force. the Clone Wars season 3 Mortis arc specifically covers this and its concluded during a Rebels episode. theres a reason her sabers are white.
the rest of your post, while well reasoned, lacks the actual history of modern canon Star Wars. Thrawn is an awesome character who is even more flesh out in Rebels. hes not being brought back as a direct Zahn plot line as you know it.
a friendly reminder that Ahsoka is being released a day early, tonight as 9pm est. :Party:
so no one else watched it?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on August 23, 2023, 05:57:42 PMso no one else watched it?
I did. I quite liked it.
I do know some friends that haven't seen Rebels that are totally lost and disengaged from it though.
then tell them to watch Rebels first. :ThumbsUp:
I watched tonight. It's off to a good start. I just want to know who's going to feed the domesticated Loth-cat while Sabine's away.
its a cat, they're self sufficient.
I would be real pissed off if I was Qui-Gon.
He's the only person who doesn't get to survive being lightsabre stabbed in the stomach? :grin:
Getting stabbed through the stomach is the new chopping off a limb.
Incidentally, even though the first eps dropped on my brother's birthday, neither he nor the girls were interested in watching it that night, and I haven't heard any remarks from them yet. Nor do I have Disney+, so I'm just keeping a hopeful yet wary eye on opinions...
Anyone who says it's trash or Disney has ruined blah, blah, blah can go F themselves. Too many asshats out there with uneducated worthless opinions.
Show is awesome. <-----this is an uneducated opinion of an asshat :ThumbsUp:
I don't know about Ahsoka, but they've done a pretty good job of destroying the Marvel franchise along with many of the animated movies they've felt the need to butcher and it shows at the box office. :idiot2:
Well, to be honest I kind of got sick of all the comic book movies (and I'm not a huge fan of the genre). Seems like they're pushing them out the door as fast as Gus gets pushed out the door at a gay bar on "2 fer Tuesdays" :ThumbsUp:
wasnt a fan of the 36 minute episode time. all of these should be 50 minutes minimum.
Yeah, the latest episode ended right as it was getting started.
that hit the spot. :ninjameditate:
JUST. FUCKING. WOW! :notworthy:
That boy is our last hope.
No...there is another...
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Anime cosplay nerds...
So... alternate universe timeline Anakin from the Veil?
(I don't have Dis+ and my Bro+nieces haven't been keeping me up to date.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 14, 2023, 12:49:22 PMSo... alternate universe timeline Anakin from the Veil?
(I don't have Dis+ and my Bro+nieces haven't been keeping me up to date.)
No.
Oh boy. Now that was a way to make the next season of Rebels!
I'm not crying you are.
And...artistically done.
why only 8 episodes! :hair:
probably no 2nd season until 2025. :doh:
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 20, 2023, 06:33:33 AMwhy only 8 episodes! :hair:
probably no 2nd season until 2025. :doh:
My life is ruined.
Yeah, the writer's strike is about to be keenly felt.
Disney's got a backlog they will slow drip in order to keep starving the writers/actors with two full shows in the can but after that it's going to take a long while to start things up again.
maybe, maybe not. depends on where things where when the hammer fell.
I know ST: Strange New Worlds was within a few days of production starting. that means scripts written and/or outlines and construction of sets started. that should get going pretty quick.
I have no idea where Andor was left at and I'm pretty sure almost nothing was done for Ahsoka season 2.
Skeleton Crew is towards the tail end of post production.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 20, 2023, 01:26:08 PMmaybe, maybe not. depends on where things where when the hammer fell.
I know ST: Strange New Worlds was within a few days of production starting. that means scripts written and/or outlines and construction of sets started. that should get going pretty quick.
I have no idea where Andor was left at and I'm pretty sure almost nothing was done for Ahsoka season 2.
Skeleton Crew is towards the tail end of post production.
They have Acolyte, Andor S2 and Skeleton Crew finished and ready to go.
Nothing was done for Ashoka S2 or Filoni's tie in Heir to the Empire film, so I don't imagine we're going to see any of those for a long time.
but I want Ahsoka :sad:
any Night Troopers with red bindings are dead.
how do the shell ppl get dressed?
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I noticed both Claudia Black and Wes Chatham in the acting credits of this last episode.
good eye! :magnify:
shes the lead Night Sister and hes Enoch
Yeah, Wes Chatham was spoiled early.
I'll be honest, Thrawn's Night Troopers are badass.
were is the operative term
:ROFL:
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why is the auto sizing thingy widget not working?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 21, 2023, 11:14:44 PMwhy is the auto sizing thingy widget not working?
Said my ex-wife before she was my ex-wife.
:Dreamer:
'maybe you're using it wrong'
'clear your cache'
'turn it on and off'
...checking for other canned responses.
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Elon Thrawn
A
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 21, 2023, 10:12:28 PMwere is the operative term
Are you saying they are actually Zombie Troopers, resurrected with that creepy Night Sister reanimation magick?
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 22, 2023, 08:36:52 PMAre you saying they are actually Zombie Troopers, resurrected with that creepy Night Sister reanimation magick?
Potentially. I'm not sure they are but it's absolutely been hinted with the ex-Inquisitor Marrok.
There's a reason they're loading all those caskets onto the Chimera.
Quote from: Staggerwing on September 22, 2023, 08:36:52 PMAQuote from: GDS_Starfury on September 21, 2023, 10:12:28 PMwere is the operative term
Are you saying they are actually Zombie Troopers, resurrected with that creepy Night Sister reanimation magick?
yes
I'll actually be pissed if Daryl Dixon makes a camero.
I don't have disney+ but I saw some YT clips with this new Thrawn. [in my best Samuel Jackson impersonation] He looks like a jackass, Ringo.
Not like the artwork on Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire series.
Plus the way this new one talks he sounds well...lackluster. They gotta get someone from one of those WH40K fan made films with a sinister British accent. Or the guy that voiced Deslock in the old Star Blazer series would have been a good fit.
hes literally the guy who voiced that cartoon character.
:ROFL:
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that was a lot :stormtrooper2:
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on September 26, 2023, 09:54:32 PMthat was a lot :stormtrooper2:
Yeah. Total shocker to see Thrawn travel back in time and kill Palpatine once and for all before he could go to the sequels, then use the veil of the force to murder Rey in her crib and laugh gloriously and proclaim "Now I am the master of the future. Kathleen Kennedy is no...more".
:deathstar:
Damn, I'd watch that! :ThumbsUp:
Quote from: SirAndrewD on September 26, 2023, 10:12:45 PMQuote from: GDS_Starfury on September 26, 2023, 09:54:32 PMthat was a lot :stormtrooper2:
Yeah. Total shocker to see Thrawn travel back in time and kill Palpatine once and for all before he could go to the sequels, then use the veil of the force to murder Rey in her crib and laugh gloriously and proclaim "Now I am the master of the future. Kathleen Kennedy is no...more".
:deathstar:
As a Light Side user who dabbles in the Dark I am saddened to hear Thrawn went back in time and killed Palpy. But I am cackling with evil glee to hear he 86'ed Rey.
It's more likely they're gonna use the Veil to kill the Force and set up a new power that only the witches can use. Or that will be the threat.
Anyway, the original theory/rumor never involved retconning the sequel trilogy THIS season, only introducing the methods. Filoni has set things up to go whichever way the Powers of Lucasfilm prefer (whoever ends up in control, which at the moment looks like still Kennedy if she can shake off charges of financial malfeasance.)
He could even do a medium-hard reboot creating in effect a new continuity in that other galaxy (with options for doing stories in the old or new continuity as anyone in charge wishes, regardless of whether the old continuity itself gets rebooted.)
^ This...The reason I don't give a Porg about Star Wars anymore. :Loser:
Well, other people are happy about it, and that's great. Wish I could be, too. When is Andor Blu!? (Probably not until S2, would be my guess, but I haven't checked the market recently.)
That said, I can genuinely admire the efficiency of the setup, if I may slightly paraphrase Ash from Alien.
Quote from: W8taminute on September 27, 2023, 10:15:37 AMAs a Light Side user who dabbles in the Dark I am saddened to hear Thrawn went back in time and killed Palpy. But I am cackling with evil glee to hear he 86'ed Rey.
LOL, I made all of that up clearly.
Pretty much every weirdo rumor of erasing the Disney story has been utterly deep sixed at this point, not that they should've been taken seriously to begin with.
I can't keep up :tie1:
Quote from: Gusington on September 27, 2023, 01:51:44 PMI can't keep up :tie1:
There appears to be many force users here. We'll carry you Gus!!
Yeah Andrew I knew you made that stuff up, but as the X-Files used to say, "I want to believe". :)
really like this guys take on things Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/@GenerationTech
^Yeah that guy is good.
42 minutes and 43 seconds. :cussing:
the finale should be much longer.
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How many more episode will there be in this season?
I canceled my subscription over the price increase but wouldn't mind finishing the season.
1
just 1..... :soapbox:
Quote from: Redwolf on October 02, 2023, 05:34:04 PMHow many more episode will there be in this season?
I canceled my subscription over the price increase but wouldn't mind finishing the season.
The season ends tomorrow.
Way too short. Inevitable it'll be a cliffhanger.
fwiw Loki season 2 starts this week.
Disney and Formula 1 are the only 2 streaming services I get a yearly subscription for.
the wife is a witch with finding super cheap deals on everything else. like $2 for 2 months of Starz or whatever.
love this murderbot!
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and now for an 18 month wait minimum. :hair:
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 03, 2023, 09:02:30 PMand now for an 18 month wait minimum. :hair:
Minimum. And Ray Stevenson is dead.
ya, thats gonna be an odd curve to square with how this was left.
I only have one issue though.
guess what it is.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 03, 2023, 09:40:02 PMya, thats gonna be an odd curve to square with how this was left.
I only have one issue though.
guess what it is.
Episode was too short?
sabine
supreme leader loved it, I was like why.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 03, 2023, 09:54:34 PMsabine
supreme leader loved it, I was like why.
Anakin always had her back!
But no I get it. The mission was more important and honestly Ahsoka had that.
We are here now...
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Quote from: SirAndrewD on October 04, 2023, 12:35:37 AMWe are here now...
We are definitely not there now. But we'll get something named the same thing with at least one of the same characters as the original, plus other characters hotpatched in from later properties, all acting in dumbass fashions so that what technically counts as the 'plot' can lurch forward.
:hair: :tickedoff:
why are you so difficult to entertain?
one of the most realistic parts of Star Wars.
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I've always liked the prequels to some degree, and I like Rogue One, despite massive problems in both sets of films, including in story design. Even the OT isn't perfect, and I watch them well enough. I liked Andor enough that I wish it was on Blu.
Heck for that matter, I like the Hobbit trilogy a LOT more than most people do.
I would say that to enjoy any of these movies or other similar franchises its important to just turn off the adult logic parts of the brain. yes, there are deeper character motives and plot points and writing. yet it isnt ment to be Shakespeare. its fun space opera on a Saturday morning.
Obviously I can get behind that, not only in principle but in practice. {pointing at Rogue One and the prequels again} Heck, I own TONS of films that are not Shakespeare and that I enjoy watching. (....also, quite a few Shakespeare productions, including all the early 80s BBC films.) I've been recently introducing my little 3rd cousin to the Showa Era Godzilla films, though he's too young to appreciate them as films per se.
I don't _want_ to not-enjoy the recent spate of Disney products. There's just something seriously off with them, and with a few exceptions I can't get past them.
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Could only have been slightly better with OB standing on the high ground behind Anni, but artistically the proportions are admittedly better this way. :ThumbsUp:
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there are some really great butts in this series. :magnify:
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^I love Rogue One!!
yup, that and Andor are peak Star Wars.
Well, Lucasfilm finally did the obvious move staring them in the face. The promoted Dave Filoni to Chief Creative Officer of all Star Wars developments.
Star Wars will finally have one ultimate head that decides what direction everything is headed and one single creative vision that will drive development going forward.
Kinda wish they'd done that first thing.
In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, Star Wars will be reorganized into the first Filoni Empire! For a safe and secure society!
begun the Meme Wars have.
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I think its actually better animated!
just released today.
this guy has been putting out some great episodes lately!
https://www.youtube.com/@GenerationTech
^I like that guy. He's generally spot on with his analysis and he doesn't get passionately excited about SW. A calm voice amidst a storm of fanatical SW junkies.
There are times however when I indulge in my inner darkside and cackle with glee when I watch trash talkin' SW reviews/analysis.
over the last few months he's woven in more social commentary in a way that I find very well read and even handed while being germane to the Star Wars topic hes talking about.
I really want an expanded 2 hour live action movie that covers the last 3 episodes of season 7 of The Clone Wars.
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