The Book of Boba Fett

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Jarhead0331

I dunno. I'm still pretty lukewarm on it. I like the production values and I like some of the canon details, but Fett doesn't impress me. Like the mandalorian, he seems to get his ass kicked more often than not. I'm yet to see why he was the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy and they strip way too much of his mystique away and too quickly at that.

It's just ok really. Too much of a stark contrast on everything else we've always been shown of this cold and ruthless character.
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then youve clearly missed out on all of the books and comics that have filled in tons of his backstory.
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Jarhead0331

Quote from: GDS_Starfury on January 13, 2022, 01:11:58 AM
then youve clearly missed out on all of the books and comics that have filled in tons of his backstory.

They turn him into a fun-loving geriatric pussy? Yes, thankfully, I've missed them.  :hide:
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#33
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on January 12, 2022, 09:52:25 PM
I dunno. I'm still pretty lukewarm on it. I like the production values and I like some of the canon details, but Fett doesn't impress me. Like the mandalorian, he seems to get his ass kicked more often than not. I'm yet to see why he was the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy and they strip way too much of his mystique away and too quickly at that.

It's just ok really. Too much of a stark contrast on everything else we've always been shown of this cold and ruthless character.

I agree. I also don't think comic books should be necessary to tell the rest of the backstory. I don't want to have to put together a jigsaw puzzle from all sorts of media including ones I have never had a penchant for. I really think it's rude to have to pick up detail from anything but an original novel or book or the film itself in the same media format. Tell the whole story or don't bother telling it at all.

Not a fan of the very obvious samurai story cliches like calling Boba a Daimyo. I know Lucas took some inspiration and was influenced by these stories but damn. It's not like these stories were original. They are timeless in themselves and should not be used to try to subvert the story and universe Lucas made up. To me it's just further proof that Disney thinks it must destroy all star wars legacy slowly but surely.

Fett does come across as an old softy in this Jar. But at the same time he has gone soft apparently after being thrown into the sarlac pit.... don't worry, it's really strange to me as well. I don't get how he turned from a hardened killer into an all round goodie. The Rancor was the same. Now it's like a puppie.
Everything is cute and cuddly. Like it's meant to appeal to a different audience or something, one that likes cute things and everything being light hearted innocent comedy moments.... oh wait.

P.S. Did I mention I am enjoying the show for what it is. Certainly better than the sequel trilogy. Which was 100 times worse. Those were treated by their creators as absolute MEME jokes of films.
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Jarhead0331

#34
^agreed 100%. I forgot about the rancor.

Keeper: "He's depressed..."
Fett: "I want to ride him..."

Excuse me, what?

In general, I think it is ok to expand upon story and characters in media other than the original source films, but not if it rewrites and fundamentally alters underlying themes, attitudes and behaviors. The only thing that this Fett and the movie Fett have in common is the mandalorian pattern armor and the new Fett spends more time on his back naked in a bacta tank.
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al_infierno

Quote from: Destraex on January 13, 2022, 06:04:57 AM

I agree. I also don't think comic books should be necessary to tell the rest of the backstory. I don't want to have to put together a jigsaw puzzle from all sorts of media including ones I have never had a penchant for. I really think it's rude to have to pick up detail from anything but an original novel or book or the film itself in the same media format. Tell the whole story or don't bother telling it at all.


This is what really annoys me about the vast majority of big-budget AAA films these days:  They're really just a glorified TV series with two-hour long episodes.  Either that or you have to do homework to get the full picture of those silly things called "themes" and "characterization"  ::)

Reminds me of how in that Prometheus sequel they literally cut out the "crew hanging around the ship shooting the sh!t" scene, which was clearly homaging the first 2 films, and uploaded it on YouTube as a "prologue" that you're supposed to watch before the real film.  Seriously, WTF?  Why not just, you know, include that scene in the film so the damn thing makes sense on its own?  Boggles my mind.

With Star Wars and the MCU it just seems even worse.  Good luck jumping into the latest episode of the series if you haven't watched the several dozen hours of film leading up to this one!
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Gusington

You're starting to sound like old men around a card table. Things change, story-telling changes. No one is forcing you to consume these new movies and series and by all means everyone has the right to enjoy them or not.

But it's bizarre to me if you enjoy the lore, why wouldn't you want to read up more about it? Sure Disney is a monolithic entertainment conglomerate and I am not head over heels for the last three Star Wars movie releases either.

But it all started taking a turn when the first ewok crawled onto the screen, sort of like what Des posted above. Disney can be blamed for alot, certainly, but not everything.

Cute and cuddly creatures like The Child paved the way for me to share Star Wars with my kids, and for that I am grateful. We have years of memories from reading books together, putting together Star Wars Lego sets and watching the series and movies.

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss I will probably be irritated too...but watching it with my kids will outweigh that.

It's most definitely a different time now than when the first Star Wars movie was created and we just can't count on anything we love to remain the same for 45 years.


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SirAndrewD

Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss

You mean the guy who in the OT's only fight ended with him being taken out by a blind guy?

I kid a bit, but I don't really see Boba as being particularly weak.  He is human, not some special John Wick superbeing.  I kind of find it refreshing that they don't 100% buy into the "Boba Fett has to be a badass" thing.

I also appreciate the way that he actually finally HAS a personality.  Outside Clone Wars we really got very little fleshing out of who he was, and he was a bit of a punk there.  His time in the belly of the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens actually has some effect on him, and I honestly like seeing it. 

I mean, lets get real, this was a character whose contribution to the OT was mostly to stand around and utter three lines.  It's hard to ascribe any real characterization to that.

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Quote from: SirAndrewD on January 13, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss

You mean the guy who in the OT's only fight ended with him being taken out by a blind guy?

I kid a bit, but I don't really see Boba as being particularly weak.  He is human, not some special John Wick superbeing.  I kind of find it refreshing that they don't 100% buy into the "Boba Fett has to be a badass" thing.

I also appreciate the way that he actually finally HAS a personality.  Outside Clone Wars we really got very little fleshing out of who he was, and he was a bit of a punk there.  His time in the belly of the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens actually has some effect on him, and I honestly like seeing it. 

I mean, lets get real, this was a character whose contribution to the OT was mostly to stand around and utter three lines.  It's hard to ascribe any real characterization to that.

SirAndrewD gets it!  :notworthy:

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 Just finished watching episode 3

That chase sequence....I've seen geriatrics on mobility scooters drive faster than that trying to get to the hot slot machine in the casino.  And hover Vespas?!  Wtf?!

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the sense of speed you got with the speeder train was totally not there with the chase scene.
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Destraex

Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 13, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Just finished watching episode 3

That chase sequence....I've seen geriatrics on mobility scooters drive faster than that trying to get to the hot slot machine in the casino.  And hover Vespas?!  Wtf?!

I kinda liked that somebody had the sense to show that kids and the mayors lackey would not have the fastest kit in the galaxy or be the best and fastest drivers. I did not mind this at all. I see the moped crew eventually upgrading to the biker gangs harley davidsons.
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Destraex

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Quote from: SirAndrewD on January 13, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gusington on January 13, 2022, 02:38:16 PM

Now granted I have yet to watch Book of Boba, so if he really has turned into a puss

You mean the guy who in the OT's only fight ended with him being taken out by a blind guy?

I kid a bit, but I don't really see Boba as being particularly weak.  He is human, not some special John Wick superbeing.  I kind of find it refreshing that they don't 100% buy into the "Boba Fett has to be a badass" thing.

I also appreciate the way that he actually finally HAS a personality.  Outside Clone Wars we really got very little fleshing out of who he was, and he was a bit of a punk there.  His time in the belly of the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens actually has some effect on him, and I honestly like seeing it. 

I mean, lets get real, this was a character whose contribution to the OT was mostly to stand around and utter three lines.  It's hard to ascribe any real characterization to that.

I guess that's the point for me. Boba was changed from all business and a hard core sorta guy to the new Han Solo with tonnes of character and a lot of sarcasm. Boba really just wants to be nice to everybody while his off sider is Boba. Taking care of business. It's just wierd that he wants to take over Jabba\Bib Fortuna's empire while the palace is empty and his subjects have all the power and resources. What was he thinking? We kinda missed that story, I suppose it might come with a little bit of flashback at some point. Another pet peeve of mine is long winded flashbacks that really just seem to me to be stall tactics.... I like to move forwards and have the characters describe the past rather than flashing back to it. Flashbacks always seem cheap and easy to me, while stealing opportunities for interaction between characters. We don't seem to have the acting horsepower these days to have actors actually interact properly. Actors tend to be good at one liners and action scenes (with the assistance of CGI) and nothing else.

I guess I want to see BOBA and not HAN. You know. A different story. I would have preferred to see his bounty hunting days. But that would have been MA or R rated I guess. Because he was a stone cold killer! Maybe it was just Han that was afraid of him I guess... Han did not know he was really a stand up guy that was misunderstood. (sarcasm)

P.S. I liked the wookie but why did the twins turn up with almost no armed forces? I assume they are a little more powerful than Boba and in need of a lot of protection given they are hutts? Jabba had a huge entourage and tonnes of guards and escorts. THe twins turned up with some stretcher bearers and a wookie.
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Gusington

Just finished the first two episodes. I really enjoyed the last 5-10 minutes of the second episode with the whole Dances With Boba/Going Native theme, even if it is a bit cliched and hokey.


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GDS_Starfury

QuoteWe kinda missed that story, I suppose it might come with a little bit of flashback at some point. Another pet peeve of mine is long winded flashbacks that really just seem to me to be stall tactics.... I like to move forwards and have the characters describe the past rather than flashing back to it. Flashbacks always seem cheap and easy to me, while stealing opportunities for interaction between characters

wtf!  the first few episodes were nothing but backstory and flashback.  how do you complain about a lack of flashback and story backround and then compain about long winded flashbacks?  :2funny:
I think a problem with some people is that they expected more Mandiloran and not an evolving character study.
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Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

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Gus - Celery is vile and has no reason to exist. Like underwear on Star.