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Title: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: LongBlade on July 28, 2012, 03:01:39 PM
The US Marines have placed a $22 million dollar order for new pistols - the venerable 1911.

QuoteColt Defense, based in Hartford, Conn., will supply as many as 12,000 of the 200,000 U.S. Marines with semi-automatic, tan-colored M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistols, and they will include spare parts and logistical support. The gun has long been the weapon of choice for special operations agents, thanks to its reliability and the stopping power of its massive bullets.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols
Title: Marines go back to the .45
Post by: Steelgrave on July 28, 2012, 10:32:08 PM
I'm digging this news item. But how the hell did I scoop Jarhead on this???

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/ (ftp://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/)
Title: Re: Marines go back to the .45
Post by: Gusington on July 28, 2012, 10:48:00 PM
JH was away for Army training :)

But you did not scoop LB:

http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=2296.0

Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: Greybriar on July 28, 2012, 11:37:36 PM
I always felt they should have kept it instead of switching to Berettas.

Now if they would just bring back the jeep!  ;)
Title: Re: Marines go back to the .45
Post by: Greybriar on July 28, 2012, 11:38:46 PM
Nice try, Steelgrave. I appreciate your effort.
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: LongBlade on July 29, 2012, 12:48:37 AM
Moved Steelie's to the TO&E forum and merged the topics.
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: Steelgrave on July 29, 2012, 01:03:48 AM
I should have known one of you guys caught this, ha! Good work  8)
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: DoctorQuest on July 29, 2012, 01:50:13 AM
Quote from: Greybriar on July 28, 2012, 11:37:36 PM
I always felt they should have kept it instead of switching to Berettas.

Now if they would just bring back the jeep!  ;)

And Bangalore Torpedoes!!!!!!!! Wooohooo!!!!!

Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: MikeGER on July 29, 2012, 02:04:04 AM
Quote from: Greybriar on July 28, 2012, 11:37:36 PM
I always felt they should have kept it instead of switching to Berettas.

I bet at that time it was a discion based on NATO logistic chain in mind. 
No need for an additional ammo type, the 9mm was commen for sub machine guns.
...and a larger magazine capacity and better penetration power then the .45 (hitting items, on a web-belt or in patch pocket of the enemy) was an argument too.

Today, where all kind of 'frag vests' are common, i would pick a PDW like the HK MP7 for my personal protection ...if i could pick from a Bond-like armory-room hidden in the house like in the movies ;)

Even so the 1911 is carrying in style  8)       
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: LongBlade on July 29, 2012, 05:13:38 PM
Apparently there is the possibility of hand-held rockets...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/scalia-limitations-could-be-imposed-on-guns-in-the-future/
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: Staggerwing on July 29, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
Quote from: LongBlade on July 29, 2012, 05:13:38 PM
Apparently there is the possibility of hand-held rockets...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/scalia-limitations-could-be-imposed-on-guns-in-the-future/

There's been at least one civilian available gun that fired small rockets in place of bullets: Gyrojet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet). Not much chance of them becoming a gang-banger favorite with the ammo at $100 a pop.
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: jomni on July 29, 2012, 08:45:03 PM
$22,000,000 / 12,000 = $1,833.33.  I have no idea about the going price of these things.  All I know is that the original Colts were expensive as collector's items.  Is that an expensive pistol? 
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: LongBlade on July 29, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: jomni on July 29, 2012, 08:45:03 PM
$22,000,000 / 12,000 = $1,833.33.  I have no idea about the going price of these things.  All I know is that the original Colts were expensive as collector's items.  Is that an expensive pistol?

$1800 seems expensive. I would think you could get them for half that. Then again, it may include parts and stuff or be designed to a higher standard. Maybe someone who knows more about stuff like this can fill us in.
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: Staggerwing on July 30, 2012, 05:11:47 AM
Some of the articles mention the Colt 1911 being equipped with a Novak night-sight. That along with the tan finish (Cercoat?) might be what brings the price to 1800/unit.
Title: Re: 1911 Rules 2012
Post by: GDS_Starfury on July 30, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
there are no gun forums were this isnt being hottly debated right now.
and yes, $1800 a pistol is a shit ton.  a really nice Kimber custom sells for around $1200 or so.
personally I think its great news.