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Offline Barthheart

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Interesting stuff....




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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2014, 12:22:07 PM »
Don't mince words, Pierre. Tell us what you really think!
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2014, 12:22:35 PM »
ooo man i read some unpleasant stuff about him elsewhere today

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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2014, 12:39:15 PM »
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2014, 12:42:54 PM »
Long wave radar detects F-117, B-2, and F-22?

this -

Pierre Sprey again. Here's a few facts about him:

He didn't design the F-16 nor the A-10. He has consistently exaggerated his role in the field of aircraft design, he is a statistician not an engineer.

He hated the F-15, the claims he now makes about the F-35 were first made about the Eagle. It was too expensive, too big, to complicated etc. It has a 100-0 kill ratio, proving how wrong he was.

He did not want the F-16 to have a radar. He wanted it armed with only a cannon and short range IR missiles. The modern F-16 is the antithesis of what he wanted and it is a highly successful aircraft in spite of Sprey not because of Sprey.

His ideas on the capabilities of medium and long range radar guided missiles are at least 30 years out of date. He seems to think we're still using Vietnam era AIM-7's.

I believe he is a dangerous man. He keeps spouting his outdated disinformation and people keep buying it. It is worthy to note that he is now in the music recording business because his opinion on aircraft design is not considered worthwhile by anyone who knows anything about modern combat aircraft.

Oh, one more. Back before the USAF determined the cause of the issue with the F-22's pilot oxygen system Sprey said that it was because of adhesive fumes coming from the fuselage heating up at or above Mach 1.6. He's been wrong about everything he's claimed in the last 30 years.

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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2014, 12:45:28 PM »
Thanks ucg.... didn't know all that...

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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2014, 12:49:08 PM »
wow we should have bought the Gripen. it costs a lot less and is actually far superior than your plane. damn
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2014, 12:51:02 PM »
Thanks ucg.... didn't know all that...

its cool, neither did I

im sure Toonces or other afficianados no much more, but i dont think this guy is getting any love today

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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2014, 12:58:28 PM »
what so you think about the plane ucg?
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2014, 01:02:42 PM »
im honestly way out of my depth here, i just read the news about this guy and read the reactions towards his comments, then noticed Barthhearts post

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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2014, 02:37:53 PM »
im honestly way out of my depth here, ...

that never stops guys like star and myself from an opinion.... although as far as knowing about stuff that goes boom... Star rules

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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2014, 02:20:35 PM »
Interesting interview.  Admittedly, I do agree with his assessment of the F-35 in close support role.  While I admit that I could be completely wrong about this, it just seems to be that CAS purpose aircraft like the A-10 or Frogfoot or even the S. American Pucara would be superior in this role than the F-35.
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2014, 08:06:46 PM »
His other rant. It makes sense to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI

He actually lies on the missile comment. You can read his face. He is not dangerous he is trying to protect the buying countries.

The one plane fits all air force missions jet was always a stupid idea.
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2014, 08:22:22 PM »
"He did not want the F-16 to have a radar. He wanted it armed with only a cannon and short range IR missiles. The modern F-16 is the antithesis of what he wanted and it is a highly successful aircraft in spite of Sprey not because of Sprey"

You have to be careful here, the f16 itself is a multi-role fighter. What has it really been used for? #1 probably non-wartime patrol. In the gulf wars Air to Air missions were given to the eagles. Strikes were given to the tornadoes. CAS to the A10s. F16s probably (guessing) got defensive patrols. I love the f16, I spent many hrs in falcon 3,4. Can it do those roles? Yes. Can it do them as well as the other planes? You need an AF pilot to answer. He might say no, then per $ spent, the f16 may be as effective in those roles.
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Re: The Designer Of The F-15 Explains Just How Stupid The F-35 Is
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2014, 08:43:33 PM »
nothing does CAS like an A-10.
the problem is that a F-35, F-16, F-18 and F-15 can all do Afghan style CAS and thats now a decades + worth of institutional knowledge.  nothing can tear up Russian or Chinese armor like an A-10.  that ain't who were fighting now.
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