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Hybrid Tanks
« on: February 28, 2012, 08:54:44 AM »
The Army is working on a new hybrid tank.

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More like a locomotive than a Toyota Prius, the vehicle uses a diesel engine to generate power for electric motors that drive the tracks. The main advantage to this is a 10-20 percent increase in fuel economy, but the instant and consistent torque provided by the electric motors is an added bonus, and the compact size of the mechanicals means there’s more room for personnel and equipment on board. Its electrical systems can also be used as a mobile power station for operations.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/02/28/hybrid-tech-heads-to-battlefield/?intcmp=features

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 09:00:47 AM »
The reason the army went away from diesels and went to jet engines in the tanks was the sprint capability that jet engines provided.  A diesel would go forever, and was pretty easy to maintain, but when you have to dash from position to position in the middle of a fight, a jet engine doesn't need the extra seconds to 'ramp up' that a diesel does.
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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 09:02:31 AM »
The reason the army went away from diesels and went to jet engines in the tanks was the sprint capability that jet engines provided.  A diesel would go forever, and was pretty easy to maintain, but when you have to dash from position to position in the middle of a fight, a jet engine doesn't need the extra seconds to 'ramp up' that a diesel does.

Do you think our tactics have evolved to the point where we don't need to shoot and scoot? Optics these days have Abrams putting shells on target while maintaining 45/kph over all terrain. Given that context maybe it's now "shoot while scooting?"

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 12:08:01 PM »
The reason the army went away from diesels and went to jet engines in the tanks was the sprint capability that jet engines provided.  A diesel would go forever, and was pretty easy to maintain, but when you have to dash from position to position in the middle of a fight, a jet engine doesn't need the extra seconds to 'ramp up' that a diesel does.

but the Leopard2 has double range per liter and the engine runs with everything that burns (and stuff could be catured from the enemy and taken from civilians) ...and war is all about logistics, in the long run ;-) 
(both tanks have 1500PS )

and please check wich tank won the Canadian Army Trophy from 1979 on  8)
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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 12:21:27 PM »
Do you guys remember when they tried to run a US Navy destroyer on jet fuel back in the 60's or 70's - it didn't go well. But I can see the logic for M-1.

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 01:07:45 PM »
Do you guys remember when they tried to run a US Navy destroyer on jet fuel back in the 60's or 70's - it didn't go well. But I can see the logic for M-1.

No, I don't remember the destroyer experiment. Care to share?

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 08:50:10 AM »
and please check wich tank won the Canadian Army Trophy from 1979 on  8)

Yeah, I know - those damn Cardboardians just keep trying to over-run Central Germany

In the meantime, M1s have been blowing the shit out of real enemies all over the Middle East ;D
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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 09:40:37 AM »
and please check wich tank won the Canadian Army Trophy from 1979 on  8)

Yeah, I know - those damn Cardboardians just keep trying to over-run Central Germany

In the meantime, M1s have been blowing the shit out of real enemies all over the Middle East ;D

Realisticly, its just a damn good thing there were no Leps in the OPFORs
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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 10:13:36 AM »
Do you guys remember when they tried to run a US Navy destroyer on jet fuel back in the 60's or 70's - it didn't go well. But I can see the logic for M-1.

No, I don't remember the destroyer experiment. Care to share?


This page makes mention of the Destroyer being the first to use jet fuel -

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-3584.1971.tb03541.x/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+3+Mar+from+10-13+GMT+for+monthly+maintenance

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 10:16:29 AM »
Do you guys remember when they tried to run a US Navy destroyer on jet fuel back in the 60's or 70's - it didn't go well. But I can see the logic for M-1.

No, I don't remember the destroyer experiment. Care to share?


This page makes mention of the Destroyer being the first to use jet fuel -

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-3584.1971.tb03541.x/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+3+Mar+from+10-13+GMT+for+monthly+maintenance

Thanks. That image is degraded enough that I'm afraid I'll have to wait for my reading glasses to get here before I can tackle it.  :o

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 10:36:22 AM »
Do you guys remember when they tried to run a US Navy destroyer on jet fuel back in the 60's or 70's - it didn't go well. But I can see the logic for M-1.

No, I don't remember the destroyer experiment. Care to share?


This page makes mention of the Destroyer being the first to use jet fuel -

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-3584.1971.tb03541.x/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+3+Mar+from+10-13+GMT+for+monthly+maintenance

Thanks. That image is degraded enough that I'm afraid I'll have to wait for my reading glasses to get here before I can tackle it.  :o


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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 10:45:34 AM »
and please check wich tank won the Canadian Army Trophy from 1979 on  8)

Yeah, I know - those damn Cardboardians just keep trying to over-run Central Germany

In the meantime, M1s have been blowing the shit out of real enemies all over the Middle East ;D

shooting 'fish in a barrel' doesn't count  ;)
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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2012, 10:59:30 AM »
Ouch!!!!

Granted BB's comments may have had some bombast to them, but the comparables you make are a little over the top too.


As an aside the current experts in tank vs tank comparisons (WoT) say you're both wrong - russian tanks win hands down  :P
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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2012, 12:19:02 PM »
Windi,
speaking of 91  Of the nine Abrams destroyed, seven were destroyed by friendly fire, and two were purposely destroyed to prevent capture after being damaged. Some others took minor combat damage, with little effect on their operational readiness. Very few M1 tanks were hit by enemy fire, and there was only one fatality, along with a handful of woundings as a result.

and thats from a total of 1,848 M1A1s  deployed to Saudi Arabia to participate in the liberation of Kuwait

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Re: Hybrid Tanks
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2012, 12:21:43 PM »
the lower part of my post was firmly tongue in cheek as WoT is a FPS type tank simulation. The developers of the game are Russian and many players would argue that there is a slight bias in the game in favour of russian equipment
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