Old World from Soren Johnson

[nelmsm]

I popped for it yesterday and worked thru the first two tutorials.  Definitely seems interesting so far.

[GibbyG]

Tutorials are well done....moving on to number 4

POE II was tough for me.  Took about a year to finish it since I kept stopping.  Just didn't hold my interest for some reason. Never did figure out sea combat. Just rammed everything and boarded.

[Gusington]

^I felt a bit similar about the original PoE.

[Gusington]

Played the first two tutorials...there is a lot going on here!

[devoncop]

Played the first two tutorials...there is a lot going on here!

+1

I just beat tutorial 3 and those fools who claimed this game was just Civ 5 with a couple of minor innovations re the CK3 aspects are being seriously shown up ! This is a pretty revolutionary game and I cannot see myself going back to the Civ series at this point. Interestingly the manual (yes I know you dont read manuals ;)) specifically points out that if you try and play the game like you play Civ you will get crushed 🙂

Tutorial 4 brings in lots of other bew stuff and I think the last tutorial after that we get to fight the Romans so looking forward to doing 4 later today.

[Gusington]

^I'm going to start tutorial 3 right now :)

[Gusington]

...and I finished it. Tutorial 3 is where the game really came together. Tons of mechanics but each individual one is rather simple...there are just a lot of them. The game gets addictive quickly. Religion is pretty detailed and very interesting too. Seems each faction is fleshed out similarly to the factions in a Civ game but with more depth and detail. Individual units are also customizable. All this and I have played only tutorials so far! Barely have scratched the surface.

I can see how all this detail can be overwhelming to some. I got tired at the end of the second tutorial but after some dinner and rest, really enjoyed tutorial three. I can see Old World getting 100s if not 1000s of hours out of me.

I think my first real playthrough will be as the Persians. Can't wait to see what modders come up with too. Old World should have some very long legs.

[devoncop]

Glad you are enjoying it Gus. I am a way into tutorial 4 now and fulfilling ambitions, having to buy wood on the market to avert a wood shortage and cranking out specialists to boost the cultural development of my cities. Alexander has been married off to keep one of the families happy (to a bit of a looker to be fair so he shouldnt complain😉) and the warrior General second son has been married into another of the families....

The Navy is my next task to fulfil another ambition...


All good.

[Zulu1966]

How is the combat ? Heard some negative comments on that.

[devoncop]

How is the combat ? Heard some negative comments on that.

Haven't got to the combat tutorial yet Zulu as that is in the final tutorial number 5.

Having said that I have watched a lot of online Lets Plays which do include combat and I see no issues at all with it. As a result of the big variety of unit upgrades you can implement (max 5 for each unit)  you can customise what strategies you can develop for your armies very precisely. The characteristics of Generals you appoint also influence the troops a lot.

Some of the criticism (bearing in mind the game has an 85% positive Steam rating)  originates from unfamiliarity with the  orders system I think. Yes, it allows enemy units that come from an ruler with high legitimacy to move a long way on occasions but in doing that they are freezing their civilian economies and government development as orders are limited.

[devoncop]

...and I finished it. Tutorial 3 is where the game really came together. Tons of mechanics but each individual one is rather simple...there are just a lot of them. The game gets addictive quickly. Religion is pretty detailed and very interesting too. Seems each faction is fleshed out similarly to the factions in a Civ game but with more depth and detail. Individual units are also customizable. All this and I have played only tutorials so far! Barely have scratched the surface.

I can see how all this detail can be overwhelming to some. I got tired at the end of the second tutorial but after some dinner and rest, really enjoyed tutorial three. I can see Old World getting 100s if not 1000s of hours out of me.

I think my first real playthrough will be as the Persians. Can't wait to see what modders come up with too. Old World should have some very long legs.

Just for you Gus...

The "Children of Deucallion" mod just hit Steam workshop allowing you to play as Sparta, Troy or Crete instead of having Philip as head of a unified Greece. :)

[Gusington]

^Nice, but I hesitate to mod anything before my first playthrough...want to give the game a fair shot in its 'pure form' :)

I haven't got to combat yet but probably will today/tomorrow. What are people complaining about with it?

[devoncop]

^Nice, but I hesitate to mod anything before my first playthrough...want to give the game a fair shot in its 'pure form' :)

I haven't got to combat yet but probably will today/tomorrow. What are people complaining about with it?

I think the complaints are from those who cannot get around the distance units can move in a turn if orders are concentrated on them. I just finished tutorial 3 and took two Thracian cities and the combat to me works like a dream. When you accept 1 turn is a year the distances seem entirely reasonable. The promotions you give your units are really important when deploying them and working out how to use their particular traits.

[Gusington]

Gotcha

[W8taminute]

Completed the third tutorial.  This one took me about 45 minutes to complete as I wasn't getting some key concepts.  (i.e. how to influence people).

Finally figured it out.  I'm glad I learned through the tutorial rather than just firing up a new game and blindly charging in.  This game takes some preparation before you can effectively play it.

Side note: those character portraits are awesome.  I love how people's faces change as they grow older.