Russia's War Against Ukraine

[Gusington]

^ Just when I think I have seen it all in this thread 

[GDS_Starfury]

its gonna be an interesting summer.

[GDS_Starfury]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/two-weeks-at-the-front-in-ukraine

[Sir Slash]

If Russia breaks-up, who gets the Nukes? I wouldn't want to be the only Independant Republic without one. 

[FarAway Sooner]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/two-weeks-at-the-front-in-ukraine

Powerful, grim stuff.

[JasonPratt]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/two-weeks-at-the-front-in-ukraine

"Underworld" indeed. (The original name of the article in the print edition.)

[Windigo]

It does seem like a good distraction to draw-off Russian attention from elsewhere.

Time will tell...

Seems to be the intent, but the problem here is more political than tactical. 

How are NATO countries that have waffled a bit going to respond to this?  Something immediately gets lost on Ukraine's status as the victim when they begin operating on undisputed Russian territory. 

It was like the damage Lee's army took when he crossed into Maryland in 1862.  He understood the significance of winning a victory on northern soil but his army hemorrhaged morale and men just from the idea that they were no longer fighting a purely defensive war.

I'm not saying this is necessarily the wrong play, but it's surely a dangerous one when your national survival heavily depends on the support of western partners that are already hesitant to provoke Russia further.

By constraining the battle strictly to Ukrainian soil, you are also constraining all the hell associated with it to the Ukrainian civilian population and it's lands. This is survival - not some proper war.
I think the Ukrainians should take and hold Russian territory and swap it out for Ukrainian lands when the dust begins to settle on this conflict. The idea that somehow this war should be fought only on Ukrainian lands when Russia was the aggressor is repugnant to me.

Like Doolittle's Raid on Tokyo, this will force changes in Russian deployment that will only benefit the Ukraine.

[GDS_Starfury]

sketchy reports of two other border incursions about 20km to the north west of the first one.
my question is this:

what banks are there?

[Windigo]

One bank is just across a 'mother, beautiful bridge.'

[SirAndrewD]

One bank is just across a 'mother, beautiful bridge.'

What if they blow the bridge?

[Windigo]

You know I could go on with the Kelly's Heroes quotes forever, I love that movie. I own a beta (Sony video format) of that movie and a VHS, and a DVD of it (thanks Columbia).

[GDS_Starfury]

seems like a lot of cross border raiding going on.

Incoming reports that the Free Russia Legion captured another 2 villages in the Belgorod region of Russia today.

Igor Girkin (Strelkov) writes on Telegram that the villages of Gorkovsky and Shchetinovka have been taken by the Legion.

[W8taminute]

Yeah but the people seem really friendly.  Hey baby I need about 60 feet of bridge. 

[Windigo]

But do they know about the Tigers? Everyone knows you don't go locking horns with no tigers.

[W8taminute]

But do they know about the Tigers? Everyone knows you don't go locking horns with no tigers.

To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some kind of sandwich.  Not some nut in a Sherman taking on a Tiger.