Russia's War Against Ukraine

[MengJiao]

^They washed all the mud of them too.

From newsweek:

  Ukraine's armed forces have captured a "mysterious container" that could be part of one of Russia's most advanced electronic warfare (EW) systems currently in service, according to a Twitter account that monitors weapons seized or destroyed during the conflict.

Twitter user @UAWeapons shared photos of a container and a military truck, identifying the first as likely to be the command post of a 1RL257 Krasukha-4 mobile EW system.

  The truck has party balloons on it so that's hard to figure out.  A party truck lost in a nightmare sleepwalking toward war?

Washington Post headline:

Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of 'sleepwalking into war'

[JasonPratt]

People keep using that term "sleepwalking" in regard to this war, cough, special operation. I don't think it means what they think it means. ;)

Especially if the reference is to WW1. The famous "sleepwalking" metaphor applied to the years of setup BEFORE the AussieHuns decided they needed to root problems (primarily the Black Hand group) out of Serbian leadership by invading. After that, it wasn't sleepwalking.

I get that there are fears (which I agree are legit) that Great Powers could start shooting directly at each other over the Ukrainian invasion, and what that would lead to: that's a WW1 parallel (so far as it goes). But at that point, no one is sleepwalking into widening the war.

[MengJiao]

People keep using that term "sleepwalking" in regard to this war, cough, special operation. I don't think it means what they think it means. ;)

Especially if the reference is to WW1. The famous "sleepwalking" metaphor applied to the years of setup BEFORE the AussieHuns decided they needed to root problems (primarily the Black Hand group) out of Serbian leadership by invading. After that, it wasn't sleepwalking.

I get that there are fears (which I agree are legit) that Great Powers could start shooting directly at each other over the Ukrainian invasion, and what that would lead to: that's a WW1 parallel (so far as it goes). But at that point, no one is sleepwalking into widening the war.

  I think the "sleepwalking" thing is supposed to apply in this case to the fact that the Russians aren't "answering the phone" so to speak -- specifically the deconfliction line they used to answer
in order to avoid having forces accidently collide and start WWIII -- you know -- "by accident".  It may be the Russians would like some accidents where they can metaphysically shoot some nukes
and then say "oops!" sorry we thought you were going to existentially annihilate us.  Or maybe not.  Who knows why they suddenly can't answer the phone.

[Sir Slash]

I understood the Budapest Agreement was not a formal Treaty, just an agreement/understanding. Whichever, they got screwed and should've known better. Maybe a couple of nukes could have fallen off the truck on the way out of town and later been found in the back room of the Kiev Home Depot. Just...in...case.  :-X

[Jarhead0331]

I understood the Budapest Agreement was not a formal Treaty, just an agreement/understanding. Whichever, they got screwed and should've known better. Maybe a couple of nukes could have fallen off the truck on the way out of town and later been found in the back room of the Kiev Home Depot. Just...in...case.  :-X

Would the world be any safer if that had happened?

[Gusington]

Wow:

Russian warship destroyed in occupied port of Berdyansk, says Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60859337

[solops]

I understood the Budapest Agreement was not a formal Treaty, just an agreement/understanding. Whichever, they got screwed and should've known better. Maybe a couple of nukes could have fallen off the truck on the way out of town and later been found in the back room of the Kiev Home Depot. Just...in...case.  :-X

Would the world be any safer if that had happened?

Maybe, maybe not, but Ukraine would be. And the Russians might never have attacked if Ukraine still had nukes. If that logic seems flawed, then let's get rid of all OUR nukes and see if China, Russia, India etc al change their behavior towards us.

[Pete Dero]

Wow:

Russian warship destroyed in occupied port of Berdyansk, says Ukraine

But Putin says everything is going according to plan.

[ArizonaTank]

Wow:

Russian warship destroyed in occupied port of Berdyansk, says Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60859337

Interesting that none of the reports tell how it was hit; strike from Shangri-La I guess (points to anyone getting the obscure WWII reference).

Saw this note on the daily situation map:  "Burning Russian Landing Ship at Berdiansk visible in satellite imagery from earlier today. Also visible are the two other Ropucha class landing ships, one sailing in circles. Various tugs and smaller craft rushing around"

[solops]

Doolittle

[SirAndrewD]

Wow:

Russian warship destroyed in occupied port of Berdyansk, says Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60859337

Interesting that none of the reports tell how it was hit; strike from Shangri-La I guess (points to anyone getting the obscure WWII reference).

Saw this note on the daily situation map:  "Burning Russian Landing Ship at Berdiansk visible in satellite imagery from earlier today. Also visible are the two other Ropucha class landing ships, one sailing in circles. Various tugs and smaller craft rushing around"

I would imagine they used either a rocket or drone strike.

They got a Russian corvette earlier in the war with unguided rockets and it wasn't in port. 

[ArizonaTank]

Doolittle

Bingo

During a press conference after the Doolittle raid, President Roosevelt was asked where the raid on Tokyo had come from; "our new secret base at Shangri-La" was the answer.

[ArizonaTank]

Wow:

Russian warship destroyed in occupied port of Berdyansk, says Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60859337

Interesting that none of the reports tell how it was hit; strike from Shangri-La I guess (points to anyone getting the obscure WWII reference).

Saw this note on the daily situation map:  "Burning Russian Landing Ship at Berdiansk visible in satellite imagery from earlier today. Also visible are the two other Ropucha class landing ships, one sailing in circles. Various tugs and smaller craft rushing around"

I would imagine they used either a rocket or drone strike.

They got a Russian corvette earlier in the war with unguided rockets and it wasn't in port.

Given the size of the explosion, and that it happened in port, I was thinking truck bomb....

[Sir Slash]

It's been a rough week for Putin huh? And it's only Thursday.  :hide:

[Tripoli]

Wow:

Russian warship destroyed in occupied port of Berdyansk, says Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60859337

Interesting that none of the reports tell how it was hit; strike from Shangri-La I guess (points to anyone getting the obscure WWII reference).

Saw this note on the daily situation map:  "Burning Russian Landing Ship at Berdiansk visible in satellite imagery from earlier today. Also visible are the two other Ropucha class landing ships, one sailing in circles. Various tugs and smaller craft rushing around"

I would imagine they used either a rocket or drone strike.

They got a Russian corvette earlier in the war with unguided rockets and it wasn't in port.

Given the size of the explosion, and that it happened in port, I was thinking truck bomb....

IMHO, those are secondary explosions from the cargo/fuel the ship was carrying. Based on the smoke plume, the fire had been going on for awhile, so the explosions aren't the initial blast