Russia's War Against Ukraine

[GDS_Starfury]

and here we are, where I get to say that the russian front is collapsing like a pornstars asshole.

[SirAndrewD]

and here we are, where I get to say that the russian front is collapsing like a pornstars asshole.

Nah, pornstars assholes are much more resilient. 

They take a lickin' and keep on tickin'.


Watching Lookner's feed right now.  It's a full on rout.

You always know the Russians got it pushed in when they declare victory and "redeploy". 

[GDS_Starfury]

I'll check that out.  he's generally fallen off my radar for months.

[al_infierno]

After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world.

Beautiful. The copium reserves are finally running out!

[JasonPratt]

I saw on FOX this morning a report that Putin had arrested 5 of his top officials for conspiring to remove him from office. So, 5 more volunteers for the Izyum Front.

Who's the host who runs the Russian State TV roundtable talk? -- he had a couple of guys on the other night who were gently but firmly trying to explain that they were for the war, they understood it, they understood sometimes front lines shifted around, but where was the progress? -- that's what people are concerned about. (i.e. the softest possible public critique of the war)

His reply was literally, "Remember, Joseph Stalin shot traitors who questioned the war effort!"

[Gusington]

So will the Russians take the hit, pull back to Donetsk and Luhansk and dig in? Ukraine has clearly stated that the war will not end until the Russians are completely ejected from their territory, including Crimea. Does Ukraine have to power to do it?

[GDS_Starfury]

oh for fucks sake!
I go to lunch and get home and find moscow has fallen.....  :arr: 

[GDS_Starfury]

After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world.

and china still doesnt get it. any of it.

[Crossroads]

So will the Russians take the hit, pull back to Donetsk and Luhansk and dig in? Ukraine has clearly stated that the war will not end until the Russians are completely ejected from their territory, including Crimea. Does Ukraine have to power to do it?

Again, there's the 1917 scenario, Russian soldiers calling it the quits and going home. Having shot their officers first. Maybe quite not yet. But I for one would not say this would be completely impossible to happen, either.

I mean the Russian Army = Rosgvardia, Chechens, Wagner, forced soldiers from "Peoples Republics", ... , and yes, some actual Russian soldiers here and there as well. Not a cohesive force at all.

[Gusington]

But does Ukraine have the strength and momentum to continue to keep the pressure on Russian occupiers for as long as it takes?

[JasonPratt]

Is it too late to get some Norks involved in the rout?  >:D They might need the practice...

After all the bullshit, I understand how fucking Americans are. They were able to set up logistics on the other side of the globe and fuck Iraq with virtually no casualties. It is truly the only superpower in the world.

and china still doesnt get it. any of it.

I keep reading that first line (from the quote thread snapshot) as "I [now] understand how f-ing American the Amercans are." Bolded words added by my imagination. 

My own favorite quote from that snapshot, though, is how the Russian army will now be ridiculed for decades even more than the French after WW2. (Posted by a Russian-flag guy with the name of Richtofen's Artillery??)

[Crossroads]

But does Ukraine have the strength and momentum to continue to keep the pressure on Russian occupiers for as long as it takes?

For these two offensives, who knows (well they do). In the longer run, I'd say yes. No recruiting issues, motivated soldiers, Western gear continuing to flow in. Not so with Russia.

[JasonPratt]

So will the Russians take the hit, pull back to Donetsk and Luhansk and dig in? Ukraine has clearly stated that the war will not end until the Russians are completely ejected from their territory, including Crimea. Does Ukraine have to power to do it?

I'm fuzzy about whether they have the power to retake the Crimea, yet, which requires boots on the ground (presumably) and a sufficient logistic tail. Though they'd have the advantage of interior lines. NATO should be sending them alllll the anti-air.

On the other hand: will the Russians be able to (1) "pull back", and (2) "dig in"??

Worth noting that 1917 didn't end with 2 million troops refusing to throw down their arms while going home; it ended with 2 million troops kicking off Ageod's Revolution Under Siege (in effect).

[GDS_Starfury]

But does Ukraine have the strength and momentum to continue to keep the pressure on Russian occupiers for as long as it takes?

well there are report of fighting outside Vovchansk now.
I was wondering where that third punch was going to come from, seems it might be a haymaker along the northern border.

[GDS_Starfury]

its a lot to consider given that the last time these types of advances happened we were looking a corp+ size formations not brigades.