Russia's War Against Ukraine

[JasonPratt]

The Russians won't ever give up their nukes (except in one-off, black market transactions).  Especially after what we saw happen to Ukraine, any country that has nukes and gives them up is signing itself up for needless mortal peril.

The go forward lesson for the Ukraine is "get some".

^They gave them up...to the Russians!

"Get some -- more."  >:D

Also the go-forward lesson for Ukraine on general principle.  ^-^

It remains to be seen whether they'll end up more corrupted in government after their epic win here, or not, of course.

[Gusington]

I'm thinking the former but who knows what Ukraine will look like when the war is over. There is still a chance it will become a charred wasteland.

[FarAway Sooner]

Yeah.  My sense is that the "get some nukes" lesson won't be lost on virtually every country living in the shadow of a more powerful neighbor.

The Western foreign policy towards Russia in the last 10-15 years has been feckless and short-sighted, driven by corporate special interests and bordering on downright incompetent.  That's been true regardless of the country or the political affiliation of various countries' leaders.

[JasonPratt]

Another ginger, gone to her reward...  :'(

https://www.newsweek.com/olga-simonova-russian-fight-ukraine-war-killed-died-frontline-1742844


Meanwhile, Chechen leader Kadyrov has convinced some Russian areas to self-mobilize, sort of:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-regions-to-self-mobilize-as-putin-s-war-efforts-stall/ar-AA11TRTw?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=da86451ec9c7465cb818f94c78a19d7e

"Sort of" being the operative description. ;)

[Windigo]

Yeah.  My sense is that the "get some nukes" lesson won't be lost on virtually every country living in the shadow of a more powerful neighbor.

The Western foreign policy towards Russia in the last 10-15 years has been feckless and short-sighted, driven by corporate special interests and bordering on downright incompetent.  That's been true regardless of the country or the political affiliation of various countries' leaders.

This is absolutely the case. The EU decision to bind itself to Russia for Natural Gas in retrospect is a very stupid strategic blunder.

[Windigo]

I think now it is critical for the West to further tangibly support the Ukraine. Run the bastards out of country in a winter campaign.

[al_infierno]

Refusing to take part in the "special military operation" now gets your face posted above a urinal.   O0

https://twitter.com/Haruspexut/status/1570582230241783809

[GDS_Starfury]

its a good thing they dont have manpower problems....   ::)

[Pete Dero]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/indias-narendra-modi-and-chinas-xi-jinping-criticize-vladimir-putins-war-in-ukraine-right-to-his-face

Putin's Allies Are Now Slamming the War Right to His Face.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi told Russian President Vladimir Putin in no unclear terms that he thinks Putin's decision to wage war in Ukraine is a grave error.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is feeling pressure from all sides to pull back from the war in Ukraine. The public rebuke from Modi comes just a day after Putin held a key face-to-face meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, during which Putin acknowledged publicly that Xi has "concerns" about the ongoing war in Ukraine.

[Gusington]

^Maybe we'll see that new Indian aircraft carrier in action against Russia!

Dare to dream.

[JasonPratt]

its a good thing they dont have manpower problems....   ::)

I extensively argued they had manpower problems. You didn't bother quoting those parts in your rebuttal which featured some of the same things I said (especially suicide by mobilization).

There is a big difference between having serious manpower problems and having no manpower. The former could be theoretically fixed. (Though Putin's regime seems to have no idea how to do that.)

^Maybe we'll see that new Indian aircraft carrier in action against Russia!

Dare to dream.

"President, this is the Admiral of the 1st Indian Carrier Task Force: the Kremlin has been secured!"

"CRIMEA!!"

[GDS_Starfury]

I extensively argued they had manpower problems. You didn't bother quoting those parts in your rebuttal which featured some of the same things I said (especially suicide by mobilization).

that wasnt a response for you.

[SirAndrewD]

Zelensky confirmed that the 440 bodies found in Izium showed signs of torture and most had their hands bound behind their backs.  Many had rope burns on their neck. 

They also found the Russian proxy government HQ in Izium had had rooms converted into makeshift torture chambers.

[Windigo]

The whole kleptocracy needs to go down.

[JasonPratt]

Bill Whittle's crew a couple of days ago, commenting on the Uk advances: