Russia's War Against Ukraine

[GDS_Starfury]

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[JasonPratt]

If Ukraine acknowledges they did it by accident while shooting at incoming missiles, that would also defuse a lot of Russian attempts at gobbledegook.

Orrrrrr..... Zelensky could insist that those missiles weren't Ukrainian.  ???

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-row-breaks-out-as-zelensky-savaged-for-destructive-lies-over-poland-missile/ar-AA14bRZC?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=2e465aca539940a99404571b3ef635b7

NATO and Ukraine found themselves at odds at an urgent meeting on Wednesday, it has been revealed, as Volodymyr Zelensky said he had "no doubt" a missile that killed two people after landing in Poland near the Ukrainian border was not of Ukrainian origin. {snip} Mr Zelensky would not budge on the issue, insisting that a report he received from the incident left him certain that it was "not our missile or our missile strike". His statements have reportedly irked at least one Kyiv-based diplomat from a NATO country, who told the Financial Times: "This is getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying [our] confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile."

Poland agrees they have no evidence the missile came from Russia.

Russia of course insists they have never shot weapons close to the Polish border -- despite something like 65 missiles having hit Lvov since February! (I don't know how many, so I'm exaggerating for humor. I hope!)

No doubt those came from Lithuania, whose leaders are desperate to recover the extent of their ancient empire...  ::) ::) ::)

[Gusington]

This plays into Putin's hands nicely.

[Sir Slash]

From the video, it sounds like the Ukrainians would benefit as much from a cease-fire as the Russkies, maybe even more. Food for thought.

[ArizonaTank]

NASAMS the new HIMARs (ie. the next wonder weapon)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-nasams-having-100-success-rate-in-stopping-russian-missiles-pentagon/ar-AA14dA14?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ce9236bd235b4256b839bd9e9dda6dd3

[GDS_Starfury]

From the video, it sounds like the Ukrainians would benefit as much from a cease-fire as the Russkies, maybe even more.

:DD
the Ukrainians are in no mood for a cease fire nor are they remotely close to wanting one.

[Gusington]

If Ukraine took back Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea then they would be much more open to a cease fire.

[ArizonaTank]

From the video, it sounds like the Ukrainians would benefit as much from a cease-fire as the Russkies, maybe even more.

:DD
the Ukrainians are in no mood for a cease fire nor are they remotely close to wanting one.

Like they used to say in the Civil War; "their blood is up."

[Windigo]

From the video, it sounds like the Ukrainians would benefit as much from a cease-fire as the Russkies, maybe even more.

:DD
the Ukrainians are in no mood for a cease fire nor are they remotely close to wanting one.

Like they used to say in the Civil War; "their blood is up."

their feathers have been ruffled...

[GDS_Starfury]

exhuming mass graves tends to really piss off the locals.

[Skoop]

From the video, it sounds like the Ukrainians would benefit as much from a cease-fire as the Russkies, maybe even more. Food for thought.

The message of the video wasn't to have a cease fire so that we could stop sending billions in aid, it was now's the time to keep up the pressure.  In fact the final 4 mins of the British guys chat pretty much defined my whole stance on Ukraine.  "The Ukrainians are getting more out of / and better results from US defense spending than if we were spending that on our own troops."

That's something to think about, it's like we're going to spend that money regardless for defense, better it go to Ukraine and kill enemies of democracy rather than buy equipment that will just sit on the shelf for decades at home.

[ArizonaTank]

Russians...just realizing they depend on the West...

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1592898787575357440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1592973179806699520%7Ctwgr%5E2afd0c807dc173f98a31b7709099982dd89d5030%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fputin-regime-cracking-elites-panic-former-us-ambassador-1760493

[Windigo]

Are people really that ignorant over there?

There is going to be some serious self-induced psychological ouchies coming their way when reality pisses on them.

[GDS_Starfury]

[FarAway Sooner]

Wow.  That's a catchy phrase.

Too bad I'll never be able to use it at work, where it's often the most applicable!   ;D