Russia's War Against Ukraine

[Crossroads]

Lots of speculation at the moment following France's decision to send AMX-10 RC "tanks" to Ukraine, and with US to send (?) Bradleys, Germany would finally allow Marders to Ukraine, too. Here's hoping.

In other news, now I am really curious as how would one categorise an AMX-10 RC. RC apparently stands for "wheeled gun". Why not. A bit like a Volvo with a main gun, then.

[ArizonaTank]

No, only the prisoners...which is almost the entire country.

Well, Prigozhin was seen in a video giving the newly pardoned men some good life advice  ::)

"Don't drink too much, don't take drugs, don't rape women."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/world/europe/russia-pardon-prisoners-ukraine-wagner.html

[Crossroads]

It's happening  :clap:

President Biden and Chancellor Scholz expressed their common determination to continue to provide the necessary financial, humanitarian, military and diplomatic support to Ukraine for as long as needed. To this end, the United States intends to supply Ukraine with Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, and Germany intends to provide Ukraine with Marder Infantry Fighting Vehicles. Both countries plan to train Ukrainian forces on the respective systems.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/01/05/joint-press-statement-following-a-call-between-the-president-joe-biden-and-the-chancellor-of-the-federal-republic-of-germany-olaf-scholz/


Edit Germany's sending a PATRIOT system as well!

In light of Russia's ongoing missile and drone attacks against Ukraine's critical infrastructure, President Biden and Chancellor Scholz affirmed their intention to further support Ukraine's urgent requirement for air defense capabilities. In late December, the United States announced its donation of a Patriot air defense missile battery to Ukraine. Germany will join the United States in supplying an additional Patriot air defense battery to Ukraine.

What's next? #FreeTheLeopards

[GDS_Starfury]

Im hearing that the initial batch of Bradleys will be 50.

[GDS_Starfury]

and Germany is sending Marders and another Patriot battery.

[FarAway Sooner]

I'm sure that the Ukrainians will take whatever weapons they can get, but I do wonder if this hodgepodge of different equipment types won't end up creating as many logistical problems as it solves battlefield problems? 

Sending more and more Patriots  makes sense, but I suspect that they'll be more useful in keeping Russian air assets further back from the front lines.  Unless the Pentagon has signed off on consistently shooting $4,000,000 missiles at $20,000 Shahed drones? 

I'd love to see a news story about some Western country sending the Ukrainians 40,000 artillery spotting drones costing $2,000 apiece.  In this war, we're learning once again that quantity has a quality all its own...

I wonder whether the non-Toyota IFVs that we're sending over will work better on offense or defense?

[GDS_Starfury]

the Patriots are for theater defense.  Ukraine is also getting a land based Sea Sparrow variant that will be the medium range system along with others.  Im also no to worried right now about the logistics of all this stuff as the US and NATO are running that part of the show out of theater.

[Gusington]

What would it take for Germany to send Leopards?

[GDS_Starfury]

about another two months.

[fran]

We are getting close to the one year anniversary. I don't think anyone expected Ukraine's resistance and resolve.

Including the Russians!  ;D

[Staggerwing]

Especially the Russians.

[Gusington]

What's that classic quote from the Ukrainian soldier over the summer...'We'd be in real trouble if the Russians weren't so f*cking stupid.'

[Sir Slash]

Stalin's moustache would fall off if he could see them now. Followed by the sound of rolling heads.  :hide:

[JasonPratt]

Those who do not study history are doomed to continue discovering that house-to-house fighting against Russianesque defenders is like hell.

Meanwhile, when it comes to the tank classification grid, Norway has preparations!

Bonus points for orchestral HALO theme.

"Pinned by Katasulu
Katasulu
3 days ago (edited)
For all of those telling me it's an ifv and not a tank: infantry fighting vehicles can be considered light tanks depending on the military regime they reside under. [...] Even the official Norwegian page describes it as a "Medium weight tank" (mellomtungt stridskøyretøy)."

[Gusington]

^Is that a Toyota Land Cruiser pickup?? Hahaha