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Seems better to just lump it all in one place rather than end up with a bunch of different threads

Even tho the current events are very politics-heavy right now, let's try to keep it clean in here

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/facebook-scraped-call-text-message-data-for-years-from-android-phones/

I think I've missed whatever conversation has been happening, but yeah, social media apps are terrible with regard to privacy.  They all require too many permissions, they all trade data with third parties, and even with good intentions they all get hacked eventually.

I can live without them.

I'm thinking of deleting my FB account entirely, though I'd still like to be able to see the pages of companies or organizations who's products and/or services I'm interested in. Has anyone got any tips for creating a 'no frills/no personal info' account for use only in browsing the more public pages? Obviously, tuning down all friend requests would be a start.

If you absolutely must use something like Facebook, I guess I would recommend using a single instance of the Tor browser to access Facebook and only Facebook.  Use a fake name and a throwaway email account to register.  Never use that browser to access anything else, never use that email for anything else, and never visit Facebook with anything else.  It wouldn't hurt to use a VPN for this purpose too.

And certainly don't install the app or anything related (Messenger, Whatsapp) on your phone.

I gave up on Facebook in 2014. Not due to data farming issues - I'm well aware they farm information and I was always pretty damn sure they sold data on - data is huge business nowadays.

The reason I gave up was - well, personal. I was using it to keep in contact with people I had known in the forces (for the most part), some old school friends and family. I was pretty shocked at some of the things I saw those friends from the forces linking themselves to. I never saw them like this and I wasn't impressed and frankly I saw a side to some of them that I didn't want to be associated with.

Also, wtf when you unfriend someone or didn't accept a friend request and they got their knickers in a twist??

I couldn't put up with the "friend politics" in it all and decided to punt it.

One of the most liberating things I did.

By the way, the reason I wasn't particularly fussed about the data issues was because there are hundreds of ways, day to day, that companies get data on you. FB was just one of them and admittedly a bit wider with it's "dragnet" policy.

Quote from: JudgeDredd on March 25, 2018, 03:26:46 PM
I gave up on Facebook in 2014. Not due to data farming issues - I'm well aware they farm information and I was always pretty damn sure they sold data on - data is huge business nowadays.

The reason I gave up was - well, personal. I was using it to keep in contact with people I had known in the forces (for the most part), some old school friends and family. I was pretty shocked at some of the things I saw those friends from the forces linking themselves to. I never saw them like this and I wasn't impressed and frankly I saw a side to some of them that I didn't want to be associated with.

Also, wtf when you unfriend someone or didn't accept a friend request and they got their knickers in a twist??

I couldn't put up with the "friend politics" in it all and decided to punt it.

One of the most liberating things I did.

By the way, the reason I wasn't particularly fussed about the data issues was because there are hundreds of ways, day to day, that companies get data on you. FB was just one of them and admittedly a bit wider with it's "dragnet" policy.

I agree with all your points, but I still have my FB account. My running club uses it, and there are a lot of cycling events on FB. I could still get access to these things without it, but it makes it a lot easier. I rarely post now. For example, I'm on vacation, but I won't post vacation pics. For one, it's a bit obnoxious, and two, it tells the world that my house is now unoccupied.

Like you said, I am pretty tired of the politics that my friends post. One of my best friends makes at least one anti-Trump post a day. OK, I get it - you don't like him - but don't you have a little sunshine in your life that you can talk about?

As far as my privacy goes - China has already hacked my security clearance twice.  If they track my web browsing, they'll find my life is pretty bland: I spend a lot of money on bicycles, I wear size M underwear, and I hang out with some strange people called grogs.

I have had a FB account for a couple of years now. I mostly got it for high school sports photos some takes and posts there. I told friends and family thats the only reason I hace an account. I also have connection with the local IGA store and movie theater and a wargame sales group. Ive never posted anything on FB.

Its the same with twitter. Use it to follow some things, but have never posted.

I have withstood numerous urgings by family and friends to join them on various social media.

I can understand why people would embrace something like FB.  When dad was in the military, and we were living in various places around the country, it would have been handy to keep family informed about what we were doing and with what they were doing.  So it's not totally evil. 

(https://i.redd.it/o0b6lop2k4o01.jpg)

Quote from: JudgeDredd on March 25, 2018, 03:26:46 PM
I gave up on Facebook in 2014. Not due to data farming issues - I'm well aware they farm information and I was always pretty damn sure they sold data on - data is huge business nowadays.

The reason I gave up was - well, personal. I was using it to keep in contact with people I had known in the forces (for the most part), some old school friends and family. I was pretty shocked at some of the things I saw those friends from the forces linking themselves to. I never saw them like this and I wasn't impressed and frankly I saw a side to some of them that I didn't want to be associated with.

Also, wtf when you unfriend someone or didn't accept a friend request and they got their knickers in a twist??

I couldn't put up with the "friend politics" in it all and decided to punt it.

One of the most liberating things I did.

By the way, the reason I wasn't particularly fussed about the data issues was because there are hundreds of ways, day to day, that companies get data on you. FB was just one of them and admittedly a bit wider with it's "dragnet" policy.

I agree with pretty much all your points JD. I kicked FB and most social media to the curb in the early 2010's also. I use linked in but mainly for the professional aspects of it. But I know that site is just as bad with the mining.

You want to know something really funny. I work with a bunch of millennial and most of them do not know or understand the term "social engineering"

Quote from: jamus34 on March 27, 2018, 08:16:36 AM
You want to know something really funny. I work with a bunch of millennial and most of them do not know or understand the term "social engineering"

Think about everything you didn't know at that age..

:)

I am not sure it is completely accurate but you can go to FB settings and download a zip file of all the information associated with your account. I tried it last night and it seemed to work. It was actually a good way to get a backup of all the photos and videos I've posted. One major source of information seems to be polls you've done and items you "like". I never do polls and I don't "like" much beyond what my friends and family post. I don't generally "like" political based content, for instance. I "like" NASA and "Calvin and Hobbes"!!

Quote from: bayonetbrant on March 27, 2018, 08:27:58 AM

Quote from: jamus34 on March 27, 2018, 08:16:36 AM
You want to know something really funny. I work with a bunch of millennial and most of them do not know or understand the term "social engineering"

Think about everything you didn't know at that age..

:)

Fair enough however I didn't have social media telling me what "the truth" was damn the facts, either.

I was very happy in my life of hanging out near the wing shack / pizza place in a college city and going for midnight rides on my motorcycle.

Nowadays everyone needs to be an "activist" because there is come "cause" to follow.

http://business.financialpost.com/technology/u-s-ftc-investigating-facebooks-privacy-practices

So I'm wondering around the FB data I downloaded from my profile and I scroll to the bottom of the "photos" page and find this....

Facial Recognition Data


Threshold 1
3.4306688308716

Threshold 2
3.1909694671631

Threshold 3
1.6734852790833

Example Count
38

Raw Data
FqSO048KGIAETLQAMHk1LDIarv838zUMtGO6SrV3LAy0OqTtslWxHzf6KZa5dzhxGR6yJKy8qrsyjK6suf8tNSsSNo-wtrDiKpIxOrFaK601Wa87sZgyVjXsLdAx-TLcsS43_KUwNqooQ68oOqw0YzZFLEq4y7iQm9O1dizdr_Ozjq4DNKWsHywOujstmDkzrIo00TCuMfM14rVGMbs3ZTXcHhS4HDU6rCW3x641L_E4I7d3M_0wxrKMKre0MDFPLs22drMSsLG08bJVuNuyeLMLLOSpzzgHuQAuPjXnqNUyVjC_sA4v37QBtgmh5TFbM58znjarKgO1czLZs3UuKzXUuEA3iLReNRIwaCxQMIG25hchtL2syzT6sLWyzzhYtY42ZiwUtIUxXrBtsJY13jDsMioxcavks7I0VbjYrcY257HjNF-1VzVTt6StRrirs8k38TUqOB-smbdvLVioSCb8NLyrXjYcMfKzLC1EKUk0ozQlL0uy9DYNtPQ1IjAXNkGtwhhqMOE18rStMSm2N6o2uIu6eabkszszA7FOp-W0mDUgMcSx1rGNsuIvNLQLNR61ALI5Mliz1TjBNDcwUbEIM6ip_Ss7tKewbDWgr0SwAKwAsgwzqLeNLQIqJrYzMXGnrS00s7KwJ7kkKH-wqLIoONagGzsluO2vQKTXMAI2_KzxrA40CSgdwA8IxBdAC3ICgAAAABdACYcbAAAAABc_-saYgAAAABVMFacRHcARdjwdPsaW-hn9FECXT_BAj8t1QITvnEB9oAdAcqeCQG72wUBmjv9AYM0NQF9nx0BbkBRAVw1JQFNBbkBQZ3tATjiaQEw42EA-daJANZ8mQC8XKUApqr5AGQ9eNQAIyAEHZGYzLWYxNgA


I am not amused...

^That's probably part of how FB locates you in other peoples' pix. Now Boris Badenov can too...

I am friends with Moose and Squirrel. I am screwed.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/zuckerberg-hits-users-with-the-hard-truth-you-agreed-to-this?utm_source=quora

Facebook built a business model on the old adage that "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people" and the American people handsomely rewarded Facebook's faith in them.
And now, the American public, having been taken for the suckers they are, are mad at Facebook, instead of being mad at themselves for falling for it.
{sarcasm}Clearly the solution lies in an external force (gov't? industry standards? internet censors?) protecting the American public from their own idiocy instead of the American public putting in the intellectually-focused brain-sweat to make themselves smarter and less susceptible to emotional appeals to their basest instincts {/sarcasm}

I always wonder how people think a company can run a service like this for free.  Do they think some billionaire philanthropist is doing it out of pure generosity and making nothing off it?  Obviously they're going to resell user data, it's the only way they can possibly make a profit.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/why-did-we-give-our-data-to-facebook-in-the-first-place/

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvxv4x/how-to-delete-facebook-data

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/04/facebook-gdpr-wont-be-universal/

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/04/04/facebook-said-the-personal-data-of-most-its-2-billion-users-has-been-collected-and-shared-with-outsiders/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/04/04/facebook-said-the-personal-data-of-most-its-2-billion-users-has-been-collected-and-shared-with-outsiders/)

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/06/facebook-using-secret-tool-to-delete-messages-from-executives

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/04/facebook-isnt-telling-whole-story-about-its-decision-stop-partnering-data-brokers

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/business/dealbook/facebook-data.html

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/10/how-silicon-valleys-dirty-tricks-helped-stall-broadband-privacy-california

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/17220290/mark-zuckerberg-apologize-testimony

Why is it that everyone wants someone held "responsible" for this, except the users?

Why aren't we holding them responsible for being idiots with a lack of critical reasoning skills?

Congress needs something to do.

Quote from: mirth on April 11, 2018, 11:31:29 AM
Congress needs something to do.

Be careful what you wish for.

Quote from: Labbug on April 11, 2018, 11:51:37 AM

Quote from: mirth on April 11, 2018, 11:31:29 AM
Congress needs something to do.

Be careful what you wish for.

I'm not wishing for anything. Listening to the questioning of Zuckerberg yesterday was laughable.

Quote from: bayonetbrant on April 11, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
Why is it that everyone wants someone held "responsible" for this, except the users?

Why aren't we holding them responsible for being idiots with a lack of critical reasoning skills?

Facebook and its users are culpable.  The users are fools for freely giving away their data, but that doesn't give Facebook license to do bad things with those data.

Congress only got on board because they sniffed a PR opportunity to kowtow to voters that (a) take offense to data mining that's been a thing for a long, long time, and (b) are too stupid/ignorant/narcissistic to take responsibility for their own choice to be on said social media platform(s).

Quote from: Huw the Poo on April 11, 2018, 11:56:03 AM

Quote from: bayonetbrant on April 11, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
Why is it that everyone wants someone held "responsible" for this, except the users?

Why aren't we holding them responsible for being idiots with a lack of critical reasoning skills?

Facebook and its users are culpable.  The users are fools for freely giving away their data, but that doesn't give Facebook license to do bad things with those data.

It gives Facebook license to do all the things it has been upfront about for years. I've had people after me for years about what I was missing out on by not joining FB. I've explained to them the privacy issues and it always was met with a shoulder shrug.

Now people are pissed about things they should have known about all along. <shrug>

This isn't like ISPs mining your data and selling it. You don't need to use Facebook or any other social media service.

To be clear, I agree with you and I don't use social media for precisely the same reason.  I'm just pointing out that Facebook made a decision to misuse people's data, so they are just as culpable.  To use a rough analogy, you're stupid to leave your door unlocked, but someone who burgles your house is still a thief.

I'm not sure they did misuse data under the TOS. Cambridge Analytica misused data, but FB has been upfront about sharing user data with third parties.

Quote from: mirth on April 11, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
I'm not sure they did misuse data under the TOS. Cambridge Analytica misused data, but FB has been upfront about sharing user data with third parties.

This.

Getting mad at Facebook for CA's bad behavior is like suing Toyota because people were speeding in their cars

I didn't even mention CA, I said specifically that Facebook misuse people's data.  I don't know whether you guys are just intentionally misreading my posts or not, but I tire of this conversation.  Have at it.

Quote from: Huw the Poo on April 11, 2018, 02:56:07 PM
I didn't even mention CA, I said specifically that Facebook misuse people's data.  I don't know whether you guys are just intentionally misreading my posts or not, but I tire of this conversation.  Have at it.

Dude, chill. I'm not intentionally misreading your posts. How do you think FB misused user data? It's very possible they did, but I'm not aware of what FB has done that would violate it's own TOS.

They've been shitty about user privacy, but they've also been fairly clear that user data is a saleable commodity as far as they're concerned.

Twitter admitted to "Shadow Banning" yet another conservative by "accident."

Twitter originally said that "Shadow Banning" was a lie.  Then they got caught in a sting.  Now they got caught shadow banning yet another conservative by "accident."

See: https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2018/04/10/twitter-claims-accidentally-shadowbanned-conservative-journalist/

But hey, the big social media companies are "content neutral" right?  While they sell all your information.

They sell your info to anyone with the right size check

Quote from: airboy on April 12, 2018, 07:43:22 AM
But hey, the big social media companies are "content neutral" right?  While they sell all your information.

Sure. Just like the big ISPs.

(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F024%2F012%2Fzuckymczuck.jpg&hash=183e58e915fbedc82e2c02b5e29474fbe71cbe3d)

Quote from: mirth on April 12, 2018, 08:02:36 AM

Quote from: airboy on April 12, 2018, 07:43:22 AM
But hey, the big social media companies are "content neutral" right?  While they sell all your information.

Sure. Just like the big ISPs.

And why would think they had to be neutral...

https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-a-zuck-free-facebook/

(https://i.imgur.com/fRENaI1.jpg)

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/17/facebook_admits_to_tracking_non_users/

And we tried to stop them in court : https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/16/facebook_told_to_stop_tracking_belgian_folks_or_face_fines_of_250000_a_day/

Facebook's answer : if you are not a facebook user you no longer have access to facebook pages (full page popups asking you to register appear).

(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/screen-shot-2018-04-16-at-3-54-00-pmwtmk.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=641)

lol

https://www.the-parallax.com/2018/04/05/deletefacebook-7-steps-delete-facebook/

Haven't done it yet because I don't particularly care (or not yet -- I think it's amusing they consider me "very conservative". When they shadowban me, that'll change.  :knuppel2: I'm not remotely even distantly that important tho.)

Still, worth comparing to other delete FB checklists.

https://twitter.com/hoofnagle/status/988074026613407747

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/24/private_web_browsing_study/

In a similar vein the company I work for has announced new "well being programs" basically involving them doing "wellness testing" and if you are considered in "good health" you can "save some money on your insurance"

I am using the air quotes because if you are a smoker they will automatically tack on $5 weekly to your benefit costs and you can "opt out" at a cost of $10 per week.

Now, this is beyond insulting already, and  the part that really kills me (and is pertinent to this conversation) is that this is all handled by a third party company. Guaranteed they will be selling you personal information out.



Guess we are just getting one step closer to having a chip in everyone.

Encryption & Privacy

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/05/bring-nerds-eff-introduces-actual-encryption-experts-us-senate-staff

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Earlier today in the U.S. Capitol Visitor Center, EFF convened a closed-door briefing for Senate staff about the realities of device encryption. While policymakers hear frequently from the FBI and the Department of Justice about the dangers of encryption and the so-called Going Dark problem, they very rarely hear from actual engineers, cryptographers, and computer scientists. Indeed, the usual suspects testifying before Congress on encryption are nearly the antithesis of technical experts.

The all-star lineup of panelists included Dr. Matt Blaze, professor of computer science at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Susan Landau, professor of cybersecurity and policy at Tufts University; Erik Neuenschwander, Apple's manager of user privacy; and EFF's tech policy director Dr. Jeremy Gillula.

The discussion focused on renewed calls by the FBI and DOJ to create mechanisms to enable "exceptional access" to encrypted devices. EFF's legislative analyst India McKinney opened the briefing by assuring staff that the goal of the panel was not to attack the FBI's proposals from the perspective of policy or ideology. Instead, our goal was to give a technical description of how device encryption actually works and answer staff questions about the risks that exceptional access mechanisms necessarily introduce into the ecosystem.

Dr. Blaze framed his remarks around what he called an undeniable "cybersecurity crisis" gripping the critical information systems we all rely on. Failures and data breaches are a daily occurrence that only come to the public's attention when they reach the catastrophic scale of the Equifax breach. As Blaze pointed out, "security is hard," and the presence of bugs and unintended behavior in software is one of the oldest and most fundamental problems in computer science. These issues only become more intense as systems get complex, giving rise to an "arms race" between those who find and fix vulnerabilities in software and those who exploit them.

According to Blaze, the one bright spot is the increasing deployment of encryption to protect sensitive data, but these encryption mechanisms remain "fragile." Implementing encryption at scale remains an incredibly complex engineering task. Blaze said that computer scientists "barely have their heads above water;" and proposals that would mandate law enforcement access to encrypted data would effectively take away one of the very few tools for managing the security of infrastructure that our country has come to depend on. These proposals make the system more complex and drastically increase the surface for outside attackers.

Blaze noted the CLEAR key escrow system put forth by former Microsoft CTO Ray Ozzie recently written up in Wired only covers a cryptographic protocol—"the easy part"—which itself has already been demonstrated to be flawed. Even if those flaws could be satisfactorily addressed, it would still leave the enormous difficulty of developing and implementing it in complex systems. Surmounting these challenges, Blaze said, would require a breakthrough so momentous that would it lead to the creation of a Nobel Prize in computer science just so it could be adequately recognized.

Professor Landau began her remarks by pointing out that this was not at all a new debate. And she noted that Professor Blaze was one of the technical experts who broke the NSA's Clipper Chip proposal of the 1990s. And key escrow, as it was described by the Clipper Chip, really isn't much different from modern calls for extraordinary access. Turning to the most current key escrow proposal, Ozzie's CLEAR, Professor Landau noted that the way crypto algorithms get built is by exhaustive peer review. However, CLEAR had its most public presentation in Wired Magazine and has yet to be subjected to rigorous peer review, even though only a tiny portion of the systems problem that "exceptional access" presents are actually addressed by CLEAR, and the proposal has already been found to have a flaw.

Professor Landau concluded by noting that the National Academies of Sciences study showed that the very first two questions that we need to ask about an "extraordinary access" mechanism are: does it work at scale, and what security risks does it impose. The FBI has steadfastly ignored both those problems.

"We're not looking at privacy versus security. Instead, we're looking at efficiency of law enforcement investigations versus security, and there are other ways of improving the efficiency of investigations without harming security," Landau said. "Complexity is the enemy of security. If you want a phone that's unlockable by any government, you might as well not lock the phone in the first place."

Apple's Neuenschwander presented an on-the-ground look at how Apple weighs tradeoffs between functionality and user privacy. In the case of encryption of iPhones, he echoed the concerns raised by both Blaze and Landau about the complexity of implementing secure systems, noting that Apple must continually work to improve security as attackers become more sophisticated. As a result, Apple determined that the best—and only—way to secure user data was to simply take itself out of the equation by not maintaining control of any device encryption keys. By contrast, if Apple were to have a store of keys to decrypt users' phones, that vault would immediately become a massive target, no matter what precautions Apple took to protect it. Though the days of the Wild West are long gone, Neuenschwander pointed out that bank robberies remain quite prevalent, 4,200 in 2016 alone. Why? Because that's where the money is. All exceptional access proposals would take Apple from a regime of storing zero device encryption keys to holding many and making itself ripe for digital bank robbery.

EFF's Dr. Gillula spoke last. He opened by explaining that getting encryption right is hard. Really hard. That's not because cryptographers spend years working on a particular cryptographic mechanism and succeeding. Rather they spend years and years on working systems that other cryptographers are able to break in mere minutes. Sometimes those flaws are in the encryption algorithm, but much more often in the engineering implementation of that algorithm.

And that's what companies like Cellebrite and Grayshift do. They sell devices that break device security—not by breaking the encryption on the device—but by finding flaws in implementation. Indeed, there are commercial tools available that can break into every phone on the market today. The recent OIG report acknowledged exactly that: there were elements within the FBI that knew that there were options other than forcing Apple to build an exceptional access system.

In conclusion, Gillula noted that in the cat-and-mouse game that is computer security, mandating exceptional access would freeze the defenders' state of the art, while allowing attackers to progress without limit.

We were impressed by the questions the Senate staffers asked and by their high level of engagement. Despite the fact that we've entered the third decade of the "Crypto Wars," this appears to be a debate that's not going away any time soon. But we were glad for the opportunity to bring such powerful panel of experts to give Senate staff the unfiltered technical lowdown on encryption.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/business/california-data-privacy-ballot-measure.html

https://www.androidcentral.com/all-major-us-carriers-give-your-real-time-location-info-third-parties

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/05/18/how-heavy-use-of-social-media-is-linked-to-mental-illness

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/technology/personaltech/what-you-should-look-for-europe-data-law.html

https://digiday.com/media/the-weather-channel-has-walked-away-from-facebook-video/

uh...  sharing for a friend

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/27/incognito-mode-what-does-it-mean-history-google-chrome-privacy-settings

That's actually a good article on how your information is tied together across sites and services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/31/technology/china-tencent-alibaba.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/facebook-device-partners-users-friends-data.html


https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1003501891303682049

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-privacy-congress/facebook-confirms-data-sharing-with-chinese-companies-idUSKCN1J11TY

https://onionsocial.com/welcome-to-onion-social-1826614110

 :2funny:

https://www.theonion.com/cops-bust-filthy-unshaven-mark-zuckerberg-for-selling-1826940013

good ol' Facebook

https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/22/facebook-analytics-leak/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/business/media/tv-viewer-tracking.html

Quote from: mirth on July 05, 2018, 08:09:50 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/business/media/tv-viewer-tracking.html

saw that this morning...  scary that people opt into things that they don't understand, and even worse when they are misrepresented by manufacturers who count on the lack of understanding

^ Humancentipad (South Park)

pretty sure posting any images from that episode would be illegal in 23 countries

"It's an important thread since more and more people seek Internet privacy and don't want their data and lives to be overexposed.
I deleted my Facebook account a few weeks ago. I wonder if they deleted all of the data they have collected or if it says there forever? I have also deleted my other accounts on various social media, and only Instagram is left. It is my business account, bringing me most of my orders. I like this way of using social media, but it does not look right when people start oversharing. I'm ready to dedicate time and money to developing my IG account to get more views from <REDACTED> because it makes it more popular. I get more orders this way. "

Yes that is pretty much me as well these days. 
I am considering joining Telegram.  How do you like it?  Does it feel intrusive?

Btw, welcome aboard!