B&O runs for $30/share and pays dividends..
Note -- had to change /vlog to doc to upload. Change it back to run it.
l'amour is up for the Nickelback plate RR.
Just checking in to say I'm here.
Also here. It feels like I'm cheating on thegamebox.
Thegamebox is moving? It's going to live?
I think they're moving the contents so nothing is lost, but it will probably locked so that nobody can post. I don't think Calandale wants to maintain it if nobody is going to use it, so locking prevents it from being infested by spambots.
Quote from: binkman on August 29, 2016, 08:08:01 PMAlso here. It feels like I'm cheating on thegamebox.
I hate that you feel that way, but I understand why it might be weird for you.
Aaanndd the gamebox is down. I hope l'amour got the link. Of course, I think I know his user id on BGG, we could probably ping him there.
Woodall messaged me his email -- so I gave him the link to here.
Quote from: binkman on August 29, 2016, 08:29:15 PM
Thegamebox is moving? It's going to live?
Well, I am an internet slut and proud of it. It's just a collection of electrons, man.
Calendal posted on FB a few minutes ago
QuoteSite's down - too hard to freeze it.
I'll give further notice depending on the install.
I have arrived. :o Hopefully the text check is temporary, Brant?
Boy that crazy face is annoying.
Quote from: jwoodall04 on August 29, 2016, 11:17:42 PMHopefully the text check is temporary, Brant?
Si, seƱor, it should be
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 29, 2016, 10:33:31 PM
Quote from: binkman on August 29, 2016, 08:08:01 PMAlso here. It feels like I'm cheating on thegamebox.
I hate that you feel that way, but I understand why it might be weird for you.
It mostly just feels odd because it looks almost, but not quite, the same. I guess it doesn't really feel immoral. :P
Quote from: egg_salad on August 29, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
B&O runs for $30/share and pays dividends..
Note -- had to change /vlog to doc to upload. Change it back to run it.
Trying to attach this time as a vlog file..
I'm here. I'll get take my turn asap but that might have to be tomorrow.
Quote from: l'amour on August 30, 2016, 12:31:24 PM
I'm here. I'll get take my turn asap but that might have to be tomorrow.
No worries, glad you made it!
Quote from: l'amour on August 30, 2016, 12:31:24 PM
I'm here. I'll get take my turn asap but that might have to be tomorrow.
I just instinctively went to thumb up this post...
Quote from: binkman on August 30, 2016, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: l'amour on August 30, 2016, 12:31:24 PM
I'm here. I'll get take my turn asap but that might have to be tomorrow.
I just instinctively went to thumb up this post...
sorry, we never turned on the thumbs here. Wasn't something our folks were used to messing with...
No...we're all fingers and...no thumbs.
The thumbs here are questionable at best.
It's back.
http://thegamebox.byethost15.com/smf/index.php?topic=4536.0
With TGB being back, at least for the time being, are we going to play here or there?
I don't care one way the other, just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
I don't know if it affects the decision-making, but Calandale has a very limited amount of server space of there and it might be an issue if there are too many attachments to the posts. Not sure what size files y'all are using, but you might want to just check it with him to clarify.
Let's just keep it here.
I dunno. Mike's already a Velites and we're all still Hoplites...doesn't sound fair...
Quote from: rstites25 on August 31, 2016, 07:20:52 PM
I dunno. Mike's already a Velites and we're all still Hoplites...doesn't sound fair...
Come at me bro!
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg07.deviantart.net%2F4cb0%2Fi%2F2015%2F106%2F7%2Fc%2Fvelites_by_ancientsilentmonk-d7ofg6i.jpg&hash=232eb22ecd9b82ca71e38b6bd451f6ef95120398)
Quote from: rstites25 on August 31, 2016, 07:20:52 PM
I dunno. Mike's already a Velites and we're all still Hoplites...doesn't sound fair...
POST MORE! ;) O0
Sorry for my terrible response time.
Nickel Plate built to Pittsburgh, then ran to Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh for 200 net and paid a dividend.
Binkman's PRR in next.
Isn't Wabash next?
Yup, sorry. I got the flags mixed up. The Pen's never been that valuable.
I'll have my play done this afternoon - no access right now, sorry!
Here ya go! (strange play there L'amour)
Quote from: l'amour on September 01, 2016, 03:45:33 AM
...
Nickel Plate built to Pittsburgh, then ran to Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh for 200 net and paid a dividend.
....
Ok, no one else is going to ask so I will... What game are you all playing? ??? I can't tell from this....
Quote from: Barthheart on September 01, 2016, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: l'amour on September 01, 2016, 03:45:33 AM
...
Nickel Plate built to Pittsburgh, then ran to Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh for 200 net and paid a dividend.
....
Ok, no one else is going to ask so I will... What game are you all playing? ??? I can't tell from this....
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/IKoVTZOB0mCC82eRzN1SJcTeYKQ=/fit-in/246x300/pic804080.jpg)
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/43307/baltimore-ohio
We are probably 75-90% through the game, which might add to the confusion.
Here is the current board:
(https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNAIBvBC.jpg&hash=0d7a281bb35e3b71a98b067a88278d289da96bcc)
And in case you can't read those heiroglyphs, Mike is winning. :P
Congrats to Mike.. I guess. :)
Still have no idea what you are playing but now I can look it up.... Is it kind of Ticket to Ride on 'roids...? (ducks)
Quote from: jwoodall04 on September 01, 2016, 06:35:28 PM
And in case you can't read those heiroglyphs, Mike is winning. :P
Actually, I think you are.
Quote from: Barthheart on September 01, 2016, 07:11:18 PM
Congrats to Mike.. I guess. :)
Still have no idea what you are playing but now I can look it up.... Is it kind of Ticket to Ride on 'roids...? (ducks)
It's really more of an economic game, the train theme is important, but it's really secondary.
It's an 18XX game with training wheels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18XX
Quote from: binkman on September 01, 2016, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: Barthheart on September 01, 2016, 07:11:18 PM
Congrats to Mike.. I guess. :)
Still have no idea what you are playing but now I can look it up.... Is it kind of Ticket to Ride on 'roids...? (ducks)
It's really more of an economic game, the train theme is important, but it's really secondary.
It's an 18XX game with training wheels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18XX
Ah.... got it. O0
Kind of like 1830 Railroads & Robber Barons? Where's Mark Shot?
Quote from: bbmike on September 01, 2016, 07:42:48 PM
Kind of like 1830 Railroads & Robber Barons? Where's Mark Shot?
Yes and no. It's actually the same geographic area and has a lot of the same RR companies. In both you're trying to accrue the highest net worth, but the means of doing so are a lot different.
Quote from: egg_salad on September 01, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Actually, I think you are.
I think I may have ran out of steam. :coolsmiley:
Quote from: bbmike on September 01, 2016, 07:42:48 PM
Kind of like 1830 Railroads & Robber Barons? Where's Mark Shot?
Mark was, last we talked, living in Taiwan. I hope all is going well for him there.
Who is up?
B&M somehow continues to increase profits, not that it matters in any way.
C&O is next.
C&O ran just enough ti bump up its profits, paid out measly dividends to bump up its share price. Time for Mike to run the Illinois central.
IC(ky) built and ran to Indy, paid out $6 / share.
PRR/Chris up next.
PRR dumped a 2-train, bought the first 5 train, and built into New York City.
Ran:
Chicago $90
Ft. Wayne $40
Detroit $80
Cleveland $60
Wheeling $50
Pittsburgh $70
Harrisburg $20
Philly $50
Baltimore $40
New York $70
Coal $40
Maintenance -$150
Net $460
Dividends of $368 for me, $92 for Rex.
Rex is up next to run the NH and then NYC.
Assuming my math is correct, the present net worth scoreboard looks like this:
James $1595
Mike $1545
l'amour $1254
Me $1091
Rex $763
I think those numbers are still a bit close to be calling out winners, now that serious money is being generated.
Having said that, I am sure I will end up in the bottom 2.
NH ran the same Boston/NY route and earned $70.
NYC ran:
Chicago (90) +
Detroit (80) +
Pittsburgh (70) +
NY (70) +
Cleveland (60) +
Indy (50) +
Wheeling (50) +
Buffalo (50)
---------------
= $520
less $100 maintenance = $420
It withheld the dividend.
Mike/B&O up.
Quote from: l'amour on September 02, 2016, 04:54:24 AM
Why??!?!?!?!?!
Oh nevermind, didn't realize you were cube limited.
B&O bought a 5 train and ran for $420, paying $42/share.
Nickelback Plate / l'amour is up.
Just FYI, I'm going to be out of town for a couple of days, so I doubt I'll be able to make any plays until Sunday.
NP bought replaced a 4 train with a 5 train, ran for 250 net and paid a dividend. 175 to me, 50 to Woodall, 25 to the company.
Wabash is next.
Actually... changing my turn.
Still ran for 230, just cycled the trains a bit more. B&M is up.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on August 31, 2016, 11:59:18 AM
I don't know if it affects the decision-making, but Calandale has a very limited amount of server space of there and it might be an issue if there are too many attachments to the posts. Not sure what size files y'all are using, but you might want to just check it with him to clarify.
Yeah. I'd have to clear old attachments pretty regularly. I don't mind, but it kinda kills any
ability to go back and look at past games, if anyone really wants to do that. The game log
files can definitely eat a lot of space.
C&O is up.
Bangers somehow manages to continue to raise it's value.
Quote from: l'amour on September 04, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
C&O is up.
Bangers somehow manages to continue to raise it's value.
Did you forget the vlog file?
Oh deary me
I've put the computer away now, I'll put the file up in a bit.
Here we are.
C&O maintained the same net income and withheld the $50 net. On to Mike to run the Ic(ky).
Icky runs for $170 and pays out.
PRR / Chris up next.
PRR did the same thing as last run. Time for Rex to run NH and then NYC.
NH ran and paid out $7 to me. NYC ran at the same $420 and paid out $252 to Woodall and $168 to me. Really should have paid out in Round 1, but I gambled that there would still be a 5-train available when I acted again and lost...
l'amour, with $505 is first to act in the market round.
l'amour: $505
Rex: $531
Woodall: $623
Mike: $679
Chris: $775
I started the Erie railroad and bought 6 shares. All aboard!
Rex, the NYC should pay more to you.
He's done it correctly on the log but seems to have got his name mixed up with yours.
Oh okay, also... someone throw the Erie marker on 82. :)
Bought 4 shares of the IC.
I missed that Chris had a share and didn't count when I pulled them out of the stack. :-[
Corrected the money.
Bought 4 shares of Erie
Bought the last Ni plate. Chris is up.
Bought up all but 1 B&O share. Back to l'amour.
He means C&O, for those wondering what in the hell happened.
Sorry. It was late. :uglystupid2:
Sorry for the delay.
Pass!
Chris:
You know the company does not get money for shares bought out of the orphan box, right?
Quote from: egg_salad on September 08, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
Chris:
You know the company does not get money for shares bought out of the orphan box, right?
I did not realize that. Rats. I'll fix it, hang with me.
Sorry guys. I hope no one minds that I took the opportunity to change my turn very slightly and swap one purchased orphan share for one purchased held share (so still 1 C&O orphan out there).
Quote from: binkman on September 08, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
Sorry guys. I hope no one minds that I took the opportunity to change my turn very slightly and swap one purchased orphan share for one purchased held share (so still 1 C&O orphan out there).
Doesn't bother me.
I assume l'amour is still passing. I bought 3 shares of the NH.
Buy the remaining C&O share
Bought 5 shares of the BM.
Good investment opportunity.. Woodall, buy a share from the B&M and it can probably run a six train in the next 2 business rounds!
Chris is up.
Good old B&M
If you guys are interested, there's a forum-based Napoleonic kriegspiel starting up soon, too
Pass.
Sorry for the delay.
Pass
NH bought back its last orphan share. Unless something drastic happens, I'll pass going forward.
Buy 3 shares of NH @ 66
Mike is up, correct?
Yes, Mike is up.
Sorry, my notifications stopped working.
I pass, Chris is up.
I pass too. L'amour is up.
Pass
I thin Rex's auto-pass conditions are fulfilled, and so James is up.
I'll pass
Is that everyone, then? On to the last 2 Bidness rounds?
Correct.
B&O ran and paid out $46/share. Wabash Woodall is up.
Wait... thinking about this. Sold a 5 train instead (since Rex isn't cooperative :P) - ran for 240 which does increase valuation.
I think James was in a hurry.
Nickel Plate (l'amour) is up. And please fix the trains; James put the 5 train he sold back on the buy pile instead of the scrap pile.
Sorry... trying to work out this damn TUSCW turn at the same time. ;0
Quote from: jwoodall04 on September 14, 2016, 06:10:23 PM
Sorry... trying to work out this damn TUSCW turn at the same time. ;0
I imagine its hard to get Grant to cooperate when he's in yelling distance of Atlanta.
Quote from: jwoodall04 on September 14, 2016, 05:44:04 PM
(since Rex isn't cooperative :P)
Me? Uncooperative? Do tell.
Well I cycled the two 5s so you could kill the game (and win it for me) with the NYC... don't quite need 10 deliveries for the Wabash at this point.
NP runs to Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh for 300 net and pays mike 30, Woodall 60 and me 210.
Mike's B&M to go next.
Quote from: jwoodall04 on September 14, 2016, 09:00:07 PM
Well I cycled the two 5s so you could kill the game (and win it for me) with the NYC... don't quite need 10 deliveries for the Wabash at this point.
I thought it was already a foregone conclusion that we'd get to the 6's this turn. But maybe I was just assuming you'd buy 2 5's...
I would assume the Erie is going to buy a train.
B&M went, paid out $12/sh.
C&O/Chris up next.
C&O paid out $28/share. Mike is up to run the icky.
Icky pays out $26/share. L'amour / Erie up.
Quote from: rstites25 on September 15, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
Quote from: jwoodall04 on September 14, 2016, 09:00:07 PM
Well I cycled the two 5s so you could kill the game (and win it for me) with the NYC... don't quite need 10 deliveries for the Wabash at this point.
I thought it was already a foregone conclusion that we'd get to the 6's this turn. But maybe I was just assuming you'd buy 2 5's...
I believe you had the option to buy the first 6 after I
did buy the 2 5s last turn. Maybe I was mistaken on company order, but I thought that would end it. That's why I had the Wabash with 2 5s at the beginning of this business round, when I'd make more with just the one. :)
That may very well be. I seem to recall withholding in BR1 last time with the intent of buying a 5 in BR2. But then when I was up in BR2, there was just a 6. I think my concern during the SR was whether the NYC would have a chance to get a 6.
You should know by now, that I won't expedite the end of a game just because I have little to no chance of winning. It probably would have been to your advantage to leave a 5 for the NYC since you make almost as much money off the NYC as I do. ;D
Oh, I didn't expect you to do it. I just thought I'd present the opportunity. I went to the 6 because it was $500 and the NYC had $500. And I thought it'd be a suiting end after I read you receivership play (though you may not have wanted me in that so quickly). :)
Quote from: rstites25 on September 15, 2016, 04:14:36 PM
That may very well be. I seem to recall withholding in BR1 last time with the intent of buying a 5 in BR2. But then when I was up in BR2, there was just a 6. I think my concern during the SR was whether the NYC would have a chance to get a 6.
You should know by now, that I won't expedite the end of a game just because I have little to no chance of winning. It probably would have been to your advantage to leave a 5 for the NYC since you make almost as much money off the NYC as I do. ;D
Unfortunately, I had to withhold dividends to ensure that I would be first in the Stock Round to make sure I'd be able to start the NYC. Had I paid out and then Chris [I think] did not start the NYC when he went first instead of me, I would have been able to get 7 shares instead of 6. I had hoped that someone further down the Net-Worth ladder would have bought the shares instead of either you or Mike. I probably would have made up enough ground on them at 6/4 or 7/3 to pass them and if neither Mike or you had the shares, I might have made a run at you guys.
Erie bought a 6 train, built to Cleveland and Chicago and paid a dividend of 90 to me and 60 to Woodall.
Binkman's Pen to go next.
Penn paid out $51 a share. On to Rex to close out the PENNultimate business round.
See what I did there? :D
NH ran for $70 net and paid out $28 to me, $21 to Woodall, and $21 to the company.
NYC bought a 6 train and ran to:
Chicago ($100)
Indy ($60)
Ft. Wayne ($50)
Detroit ($90)
Cleveland ($60)
Wheeling ($60)
Pitt ($80)
Buff ($60)
Syr ($40)
Utica ($20)
Albany ($50)
NY ($80)
Philly ($60)
For a total of $810 less $180 maintenance is a total of $630
Paid out dividends of $63 per share. $378 to me and $252 to Woodall
Back to Mike and the B&O for the final ultimate round.
Since this game is winding down, is everyone interested in playing again? Play this again or something else? 18XX?
I'm up for anything. I'd really like to keep playing if everyone else is up for it.
I'm up for playing this or something else. I think we've got a good group. I think an 18XX would be fun.
B&O paid out $49/sh -- Wabash Woodall is up.
I'm traveling this weekend - if someone wants to run the Wabash for me to expedite the last round, that'd be real swell. No cubes left so should be automatic to optimize it!
Wabash ran for $270 and the trustee decided to withhold. ;)
Or Woodall got all of it. Share price increased.
Over to l'amour for the Nickel
I'd love to play again. I'd probably lean towards another game of this before 18xx because I like playing things with the same people more than once but I'd be happy to go straight to 18xx if you all prefer.
Im not at home so I'll sort out my railroad tomorrow morning (middle of the night for you ).
I rang the Wabash and paid out $27/sh. Ni plate / l'amour is up.
Should go to the next page before doing this..
I'd be happy to play B&O again, might have a slight preference for an 18xx.
If we played 18XX, the games available on VASSAL are:
18AL
1889
18VA
18GA
1826
18EU
1851
18Scan
18US
Rails has
1830
1835
1851
1856
1880
1889
18AL
18EU
18GA
18Kaas
18TN
18Lummer
The advantage of Rails is that it has rules enforcement and calculates the optimum route.
I'm open to either B&O or any 18XX (probably 1830 or 1889 would be a good place to start)
NP ran for $33 per share, paid 231 to me, 66 to Woodall, 33 to Mike.
On to B&M / Mike.
B&M buys a 6 train, makes $25/sh, pays out.
Chris / C&O up.
C&O ran for $29/share.
Mike is up to run the Icky.
Icky bought the last 6 train and ran for 36/sh.
Erie / l'amour is up.
Erie done. Paid 234 to me and 156 to Woodall. Pen to go next.
That's me done too. I'm finishing with (spoilers!) total wealth of $2961 (pending confirmation by the authorities). Not a shameful amount but certainly in the bottom half, maybe even dead last.
Penn ran for $51/share again, paying out $102 to Rex and the rest to yours truly.
Up to Rex to finish it out. Assuming he runs optimal cash production, I think James wins. Even if Rex trashes the NH and NYC, I think James will still win. Should look something like this:
James $4005
Mike $3669
Chris $3126
l'amour $2961
Rex $2621
If I had only held my stakes in the Penn and B&O, I feel like I could have done about 30% better.
I think it was a mistake for me to dump my PRR as well. That said, I estimated a few things poorly which makes it seem worse than I had initially intended. Quite a company you have there!
Yeah, and the C&O could have been a beast if I could have gotten more money into it. I was hoping someone would throw in some venture capital when I started it; could snapped up a coal, hit the northeast, inflated the stock price and never looked back.
I thought about it but it didn't look promising compared to my other options. And I wouldn't have had control.
Finished up.
Final Net Worth:
$4005--Woodall: $1461 (cash) + $1330 (10 x $133 Wabash) + $266 (2 x $133 Nickel) + $400 ((4 x $100 Erie) + $110 (1 x $100 C&O) +198 (3 x $66 NH) + $240 (4 x $60 NYC) = $4005
$3784--Mike: $1304 (cash) + $1022 (7 x $146 B&O) $660 (6 x $110 IC) + $133 (1 x $133 Nickel) + $665 (5 x $133 B&M)
$3126--Chirs: $1434 (cash) + $990 (9 x $110 C&O) + $592 (8 x $74 PRR) + $110 (1 x $110 IC)
$2815--l'amour: $1005 (cash) + $931 (7 x $133 Nickel) + $133 (1 x $133 B&M) + $146 (1 x $146 B&O) + $600 (6 x $100 Erie)
$2633--Rex: $1385 (cash) + $360 (6 x $60 NYC) + $148 (2 x $74) + $330 (3 x $110 IC) + $146 (1 x$146 B&O) + $264 (4 x $66 NH)
My math comes out a bit different than Chris'...not sure why. Doesn't look like it changes the standings, though.
Quote from: rstites25 on September 19, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
My math comes out a bit different than Chris'...not sure why. Doesn't look like it changes the standings, though.
I imagine, sir, it's because YOU are sober on this fine Monday afternoon.
Protestants...
Quote from: binkman on September 19, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: rstites25 on September 19, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
My math comes out a bit different than Chris'...not sure why. Doesn't look like it changes the standings, though.
I imagine, sir, it's because YOU are sober on this fine Monday afternoon.
Do you remember what you started the C&O for? Just curious how much the shares appreciated.
I think it was 60 or 66, but I wouldn't swear to it!
I seem to be in 2nd place a lot. Always a bridesmaid..
Quote from: rstites25 on September 19, 2016, 01:11:59 PM
Do you remember what you started the C&O for? Just curious how much the shares appreciated.
I'm pretty sure it was $66.
So what's the consensus? Play this again? 18XX?
Think I'm out this round. Thanks for the games so far, might join in later. :P
Quote from: rstites25 on September 19, 2016, 04:00:58 PM
So what's the consensus? Play this again? 18XX?
If enough are up for an 18XX, I'd like to try one. Know next to nothing about the differences, so maybe you guys can recommend one. I'm eagerly awaiting GMT to ship me 1846. I know it's not on the lists, but can we play one like it? (And which one would be most like it?)
I'd vote for an 18XX, but would be willing to play B&O again too.
1830 would be a decent one to start with, unless we have a shark amongst us (I am not -- I think the experts know this one pretty well. I have played it 3-4 times, and never won).
18AL/GA are supposed to be a decent intro 18XX, but I have not played them.
I have played 1889, and it would be a decent intro, as it is very similar to 1830, but is on a more constrained map. Cool little tweaks, but really not more complicated than 1830.
I'd probably list my 18XX preference as 1889 ,1830, any other..
1889 is generally considered a good entry-level 18XX. It's essentially 1830 on a different map. I think the train rush is milder and it's probably more difficult to go bankrupt.
I don't know a ton about 1846, but I think it's supposed to be somewhat unique. There's no initial auction for privates, which can be somewhat difficult for new players who have no idea how to value the privates. I think the stock market it is a bit milder.
B&O and 1830 cover the same geographical region and period, so it provides a good comp.
Off the top of my head, here are the major differences between the two:
- In 1830, instead of placing cubes for your track, you lay track tiles, which have different shapes/paths so not all adjacent hexes will connect up like in B&O
- All RR track that has been laid is usable by anybody
- In addition to laying tile in a new hex, you can "upgrade" tiles to add connections.
- You have "tokens," which are stations. The routes you run must start or end at a station and other RR's stations can block your route (you can't move through them)
- Trains run through a number of cities equal to their number; you have to stop at each city/town on the route--i.e., you can't just cherry pick the most valuable cities you can reach
- Rather than an increasing "maintenance" price, trains are "rusted" (removed from the game) when certain new trains are first bought. (IIRC, a 4-train rusts the 2's; a 6-train rusts the 3's)
- There are limits on the number of trains each Company can own. The number decreases as the games go along
- You cannot sell trains to the "bank." So you can "lock" your company up at the max number of trains and not be able to buy the next level
- You can sell trains (or buy, more accurately) to another company for essentially any value. As such, if you're President of two companies, you can use one's capital to buy trains for the other. But see the point above.
- 60% of a company's shares have to sold before it "floats." Once it floats it gets 10x it's Par price (i.e., capitalization based on 100% of its stock)
- Stock price goes up if the company pays dividends and down if it withholds. (no requirement to have increased revenues over the previous turn)
- A "2D" stock market. Stock prices go down (vertically) one level for each share sold; down (horizontally) for withholding; up (vertically) if all shares are in a player's hand; up (horizontally) for paying dividends
- You're limited to owning 60% of a company at most.
- You're limited in the total number of "paper" you can own. (The President's share is 20% of the company. So player with the President's share [20%] and two regular shares [10%] owns 40%, but only has 3 certificats that counts against the limit. A player that owns 4 regular shares owns 40% but has 4 certificates that counts against the limit.
- There are colored regions in the lower left hand corner of the stock market that changes the rules regarding the limits. (For example, it's possible to own 100% of the company)
- There are small private companies that are auctioned off at the beginning of the game. These pay out a set amount each operating round to the player or company that owns it.
- In addition to revenue,most of the privates confer a special ability, which can include things like a free share of certain companies.
- The privates can be sold to a company from .5x to 2x their face value. This is typically used to raid a company for it's capital to put it back into the player's hands.
I'm sure there are more, but that's what comes immediately to mind.
Quote from: egg_salad on September 19, 2016, 07:11:06 PM
I'd vote for an 18XX, but would be willing to play B&O again too.
1830 would be a decent one to start with, unless we have a shark amongst us (I am not -- I think the experts know this one pretty well. I have played it 3-4 times, and never won).
18AL/GA are supposed to be a decent intro 18XX, but I have not played them.
I have played 1889, and it would be a decent intro, as it is very similar to 1830, but is on a more constrained map. Cool little tweaks, but really not more complicated than 1830.
I'd probably list my 18XX preference as 1889 ,1830, any other..
I would think 1889 or 1830 would be best. If we're 4 players, I don't think there'd be much chance of a bankruptcy in 1830 given the lack of experience among us all.
Of 1830 and 1889, I'd prefer 1889, because, if nothing else, I prefer vassal.
Quote from: rstites25 on September 19, 2016, 07:35:18 PM
I would think 1889 or 1830 would be best. If we're 4 players, I don't think there'd be much chance of a bankruptcy in 1830 given the lack of experience among us all.
I hear all of this in Ron Swanson's voice, by the way.
Little known fact: Ron Swanson is an 18XX shark.
Quote from: binkman on September 19, 2016, 07:54:39 PM
Of 1830 and 1889, I'd prefer 1889, because, if nothing else, I prefer vassal.
Rails is actually pretty nice. I love the route calculation automation. Routes can be tricky at the end. But I am ok with VASSAL. Break out the spreadsheets!
I'm happy with 89. Sad to lose Woodall.
Quote from: rstites25 on September 19, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
My math comes out a bit different than Chris'...not sure why. Doesn't look like it changes the standings, though.
I only checked mine, but that comes out differently because I had 2 B&O and you only counted 1. Doesn't make much difference but there are the type of games where you have to count everything!
Quote from: egg_salad on September 19, 2016, 11:28:05 PM
Quote from: binkman on September 19, 2016, 07:54:39 PM
Of 1830 and 1889, I'd prefer 1889, because, if nothing else, I prefer vassal.
Rails is actually pretty nice. I love the route calculation automation. Routes can be tricky at the end. But I am ok with VASSAL. Break out the spreadsheets!
Plus it has rules enforcement, which might make for a smoother game.
I changed my mind. I'm in for 1830 on Rails. Not sure 1889 plays well with 5?
Quote from: jwoodall04 on September 20, 2016, 09:58:54 AM
I changed my mind. I'm in for 1830 on Rails. Not sure 1889 plays well with 5?
Clearclaw rates it as follows at the various player counts: (https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/43918/item/979436#item979436)
Overall Rating: 8.5
Rating with 3 Players: 7 (8.5 if teaching)
Rating with 4 Players: 8.5
Rating with 5 Players: 7.5
And 1830: (https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/43918/item/979366?commentid=1146861#comment1146861)
Overall rating: 9
Rating with 2 players: 5
Rating with 3 players: 7
Rating with 4 players: 8.5 (not sure why this isn't 9)
Rating with 5 players: 8.5 (not sure why this isn't 9)
Rating with 6 players: 9
The potential problem with 1889 is that the train mix is such that when you jump from 5's to 6's (I think), that it's likely only two companies will have a slot open to buy the train. If they don't have the money to buy a 6 (to kill the 3's) then the game may drag on unnecessarily.
I would vote for 1830. I think the worst that might happen is that someone goes bankrupt. But that's probably preferable to the game dragging on.
I did read on the 1889 forums that there are some questions about how good Rails rules enforcement is. So we'll probably still have to keep an eye on it. But I think it does a generally good idea. I haven't been able to find the 1889 rules online. The AH 1830 rules are here (https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/131517/cleaner-copy-original-avalon-hill-rules) (They are supposed to be far superior to the Mayfair reprint).
Would appreciate a copy of the rules by e-mail if you don't mind. I can't access BGG.
Attached.
Thanks bud.
1830 is fine with me. I'll need to read the rules too.
I'm in too.
So... Vassal vs. Rails
What are we gaining or losing playing on one or the other?
I'm not sure what the advantage of VASSAL would be. Both allow for PBEM play and we'd be posting a logfile for each.
Rails has rules enforcement, but isn't perfect. (For example, in the 1889 module at least, it highlights hexes you can legally place a token in, but you can actually select any hex with a city and put a token there). Rails also tabulates and tracks all stock prices, cash transfers, etc. This includes paying dividends. So no hassle of trying to calculate payouts for multiple people. My hunch is that the rules enforcement is only lacking in some edge cases, but will generally get things right. In my limited experience playing around with Rails solo, it's probably superior to VASSAL for 18XX.
Let's do rails, then.
I'm down with 1830 on rails.
Reminds me of a conversation with my wife:
Her: "this car corners like it is on wheels .."
Me: "rails"
Her: "What?"
Me: "The saying is this car corners like it is on rails."
Her: "That makes no sense!"
Me: "Well, they are trying to show that the car is capable cornering very fast, as if it were held down.." trailing off seeing look on her face.
Her: "Whatever"
Me: "Yes, dear, it's stupid." (grinning)
Now, just to be clear, my wife is actually much smarter than I am, but there are a few things I know that she does not. When I find one of those things, I remember it forever.
I hate to put a damp squid on everything, but you really shouldn't put women on a pedal stool.
Is everyone ready or do people need more time to get through the rules?
I'm going to be in the middle of nowhere without access until next Friday probably, so a delay would be fine by me. I also haven't yet read the rules.
A week off sounds good to me. I'll read the rules.
In the mean time, i just discovered that Phil Eklund is a genius. Does anyone have any interest in playing Pax Pamir or Pax Porfiriana? I could start another topic in the forum for it.
I could play that. Also, I think he was interviewed by the Guns, Dice, and Butter guy. Good listen.
I might be interested.
I'd be up for either.
I'd be up for porfiriana
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17896.0
Bumping this thread in case Woodall isn't subscribed to the Pax thread.
You know, the little thing says I'm notified on this thread, but I'm not receiving the notification e-mails.
Quote from: jwoodall04 on October 04, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
You know, the little thing says I'm notified on this thread, but I'm not receiving the notification e-mails.
weird. I'll poke around under the hood and see what's going on
I re-notified... also up for 1830 whenever you guys want.
Set up 1830 game here (http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=17959.0)