Land combat questions

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#15
March 14, 2013, 03:54:49 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

I'm not sure the Combined Arms in the 20th Century is exactly what I'm looking for.  I checked it out on Amazon and while it sounds interesting, the focus might not be as tight as what I'm looking for.  Again, if you're ever read Shaw's Fighter Combat, I'm looking for a land combat version of that book, if you know what I mean.

The reference books sound awesome and I'll just need to sort through those to find the best one for my needs.

That other book, Red Thrust, sound very interesting, although I'm still not sure it's what I need.  But it sounds like a good, fun book to read anyway.

I think what I'm looking for is more of an actual Field Manual.  The book I want might not even be available via unclassified or non-DoD sources.  I'm just very new to this genre, so maybe I don't even know what it is I want.
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GDS_Starfury

#16
March 14, 2013, 04:07:43 PM
ok I think I got ya now.  what your looking for and what you think your looking for are 2 different things.
start from the very beginning, its a very good place to start.



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#17
March 14, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
not the same book but...

http://www.rzm.com/books/fp/panzertaktik.cfm

actually I need to get that book!
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#18
March 14, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 14, 2013, 01:56:52 PM
the book Thunder Run is pretty damn good.

Agreed.
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#19
March 14, 2013, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: bob48 on March 14, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 14, 2013, 01:56:52 PM
the book Thunder Run is pretty damn good.

Agreed.

its a storm in the desert of a story.
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#20
March 14, 2013, 04:20:33 PM
by David Zucchino.
'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers'

'Clip those corners'

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GDS_Starfury

#21
March 14, 2013, 04:24:52 PM
shameful, bob, shameful.
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Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

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Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

Martok - I don't know if it's possible to have an "anti-boner"...but I now have one.

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#22
March 14, 2013, 04:27:17 PM
wot?

Not the right one?

did I faux pas?

Thats French for 'balls-up' btw.
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#23
March 14, 2013, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: bob48 on March 14, 2013, 04:27:17 PM
wot?

Not the right one?

did I faux pas?

Thats French for 'balls-up' btw.

I thought it meant "pretending to pass gas."
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#24
March 14, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on March 14, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
not the same book but...

http://www.rzm.com/books/fp/panzertaktik.cfm

actually I need to get that book!

I know you want to support that website, but the book is half the price at Amazon (and you'll help to support us!):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0921991525/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0921991525&linkCode=as2&tag=grogheads-20

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Toonces

#25
March 14, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
Ok, the Panzertaktik book is exactly what I'm looking for...or close enough to it that it will get me closer to what I'm looking for after I read it.

So I ordered Panzertaktik, Red Thrust, and the Encyclopedia by Foss.  That should be enough to start my study of land warfare.
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#26
March 14, 2013, 11:13:09 PM
<--- will not make a red thrust joke.  I only do that once a month.
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Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

Banzai Cat - There is no "partial credit" in grammar. Like anal sex. It's either in, or it's not.

Mirth - We learned long ago that they key isn't to outrun Star, it's to outrun Gus.

Martok - I don't know if it's possible to have an "anti-boner"...but I now have one.

Gus - Celery is vile and has no reason to exist. Like underwear on Star.

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#27
March 15, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
If it's manuals, didn't someone post a link to buy a set of CDs for about100 army manuals about a month ago?
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#28
April 25, 2013, 02:24:09 AM
I don't understand land combat either. I am an air power kind of guy from a young age. The strange thing is, most games are primarily ground forces so you get a fair amount of exposure to the systems of the armies. I'm speaking amateur gamer of course, not real military, which brings up my question about land combat. Why would a modern country expose it's troops to that level of hell? The guerrilla counter strategies seem well developed from Vietnam forward. Army against army I can understand. At some point someone loses so it devolves into a resistance/ guerrilla action. It seems the only successes against that are China which plants thousands into living in the area. Then they can support police actions to counter. Anything else seems doomed. If you have no intention of settling the area what are you doing? Besides burning large amounts of money. And lives.
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#29
April 25, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
that really depends on what country in being invaded and how the invading army behaves.  the rules seems to be different for Europe then some 3rd world shithole.  I think part of that is the idea that 1st world nations have more to lose with a post occupation insurgency.  another issue is the size of todays military forces.  without fielding something on the scale of a WW2 army you just cant occupy a country effectivly and that makes guerrilla forces much more effective.  this is especially true because a modern miltary cant take the actions they could have 100 years ago to fight irregular forces.
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Gus - I use sweatpants with flannel shorts to soak up my crotch sweat.

Banzai Cat - There is no "partial credit" in grammar. Like anal sex. It's either in, or it's not.

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