Assassins Creed Shadows

[al_infierno]

How is the inclusion of a gay man in Feudal Japan "distorting the truth"?  Are you under the impression that queer people didn't exist in Feudal Japan?  You've been waiting decades for a Feudal Japan game, and it pisses you off so much that they added a gay romance as opposed to all the time travel nonsense the series has been doing since the first game, as if that's "historically accurate"?  Who's even to say whether Yasuke was gay or straight or bisexual or asexual or even fucking transgender, there's barely any historical documentation about him.

There's no controversy being created here except by the fucking morons who write articles like the one you linked simply stating that the inclusion of a queer romance is somehow controversial.  The only thing "controversial" I see here is the fact that W8aminute can openly call queer people "wicked" without so much a warning.

What evidence do you have that the option for queer romance comes at the expense of the game itself?  What does that even mean, at the expense of the game itself?  Is the gameplay going to somehow suffer because you can kiss a guy if you want?  Let me ask you: Who exactly is putting the undue emphasis on gay relationships?  The developers, who are creating a product neither you nor I nor the authors of the article have played?  Or the authors of the article and you?

If you think the existence of queer people and their inclusion in media is somehow "controversial" and not an issue of bald faced homophobia, then yes, I do think you're an asshole.

[Jarhead0331]

How is the inclusion of a gay man in Feudal Japan "distorting the truth"?  Are you under the impression that queer people didn't exist in Feudal Japan?  You've been waiting decades for a Feudal Japan game, and it pisses you off so much that they added a gay romance as opposed to all the time travel nonsense the series has been doing since the first game, as if that's "historically accurate"?  Who's even to say whether Yasuke was gay or straight or bisexual or asexual or even fucking transgender, there's barely any historical documentation about him.

There's no controversy being created here except by the fucking morons who write articles like the one you linked simply stating that the inclusion of a queer romance is somehow controversial.  The only thing "controversial" I see here is the fact that W8aminute can openly call queer people "wicked" without so much a warning.

What evidence do you have that the option for queer romance comes at the expense of the game itself?  What does that even mean, at the expense of the game itself?  Is the gameplay going to somehow suffer because you can kiss a guy if you want?  Let me ask you: Who exactly is putting the undue emphasis on gay relationships?  The developers, who are creating a product neither you nor I nor the authors of the article have played?  Or the authors of the article and you?

If you think the existence of queer people and their inclusion in media is somehow "controversial" and not an issue of bald faced homophobia, then yes, I do think you're an asshole.

You need to fucking cool your jets. I know gay and trans issues are a total trigger for you and it causes you to become hateful and full of vitriol. But you should know that it's very cheap and unbecoming to try to discredit someone by accusing them of being "racist", "sexist", "homophobic" or whatever pejorative you want to use.

Until you're able to communicate on these issues like a human being, I'm just going to ignore you on these topics. Because, quite frankly, I don't care nearly as much as you do and it's not worth it to me.

[Gusington]

Where did W8 call anyone wicked?

My take here is that these hot-button topics are being force-injected into a game that can do very well on its own without the force-injection...something like Assassin's Creed: Shadows can stand on its own without trying to be edgy just for the sake of being edgy.

I don't put words in other peoples' mouths - that is where I think JH is coming from.

Don't understand where the anger is coming from here, Al.

[al_infierno]

Where did W8 call anyone wicked?

My take here is that these hot-button topics are being force-injected into a game that can do very well on its own without the force-injection...something like Assassin's Creed: Shadows can stand on its own without trying to be edgy just for the sake of being edgy.

I don't put words in other peoples' mouths - that is where I think JH is coming from.

Don't understand where the anger is coming from here, Al.

You're telling me a Jesus freak saying "wicked world" in response to an article about queer relationships has nothing whatsoever to do with queer people?  I called him out on it via DM and he literally quoted Genesis about how men are supposed to be with women, and being gay is a distraction from Lucifer.  So forgive me if I don't buy this golly-gee "well he didn't specifically say he hates gay people" bullshit.

Once again, the only people I see forcing anything or being edgy are the people who write worthless articles bitching about the inclusion of queerness.  What's "edgy" or "force-injected" about a character being gay?  My point is that nobody knows what Yasuke's sexual preferences were, so there's nothing being "distorted" by choosing to make him gay or bisexual.  It's just artistic liberty.  Why jump to assume the overall product would be worse simply by its inclusion?  It's clearly not romance that's the problem, but specifically gay romance.

[Gusington]

^Al you really know nothing about me or who I am or who I know or my family or anything really, so you should probably get off your high horse and come back down to earth.

And calling W8 a Jesus freak isn't exactly liberal or all-welcoming either.

W8 called the world wicked, not gays. Read into what you like. And if you called him out on it in a DM, how am I supposed to know that?

You need to chill.

[al_infierno]

^Al you really know nothing about me or who I am or who I know or my family or anything really, so you should probably get off your high horse and come back down to earth.

What prompted this reply...? I didn't say anything about you or your family.

W8 called the world wicked, not gays. Read into what you like. And if you called him out on it in a DM, how am I supposed to know that?

It's not some wild reading or leap in logic to make the obvious connection that he's calling the world wicked because of queerness.  And you weren't supposed to know that; That's why I said it.

[Gusington]

The issue here is the game can be produced from beginning to end without the mention of any type of sexuality at all.

Beyond that, I posted the above because you are inferring that all of us here, including me, are anti-gay somehow. Which could not be farther from the truth.

All while calling W8 a Jesus freak. And JH an asshole.

Again, I repeat...you need to chill.

[al_infierno]

The issue here is the game can be produced from beginning to end without the mention of any type of sexuality at all.

Why is it an issue to mention that the game will have LGBTQ representation?  I don't understand this argument at all.  I am really not trying to suggest anyone here aside from W8 is homophobic (I really don't see how you can interpret his comment or his follow-up Genesis quote about Lucifer as anything else), but all I'm getting from the arguments here is that it's for some reason terrible to merely mention that the game will include a queer romance.  How is that any different than mentioning that the game has a straight romance, or any romantic options at all?  Where do you draw the line between "needless injection" and merely another component in a very complex product meant to appeal to a wide variety of people?

I apologize for calling JH an asshole, that was over the line. 

[Gusington]

^I would be fine without any romance at all. This a series about assassins...how does romance fit in? I don't think the romantic facets here should be included in a historically based game - it doesn't need any romantic component at all. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I felt the same about Baldur's Gate 3, The Witcher, etc.

In fantasy I guess I am a little more accepting of romance being included. How fantastical is this Assassin's Creed game? It's complicated.

That's where I'm coming from.

[Jarhead0331]

I apologize for calling JH an asshole, that was over the line. 

While the accusation is not always untrue ( ), in this context it was. Regardless, I accept your apology.

I'm still not going to touch this topic again because it is way too emotional for you and of little to no importance to me. So its not worth ruffling the feathers.

[W8taminute]

And calling W8 a Jesus freak isn't exactly liberal or all-welcoming either.

No he's right.  I don't mind being called that haha! 

I stand with Israel.