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Title: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 04, 2016, 07:29:45 PM
I setup the 1830 game and randomized the order:

Woodall
Rex
Chris
Mike
l'amour

I had to change the extension to .vsav so Woodall will need it change it to .rails in order for it work.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 05, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
I've never used Rails before so I'm flying blind here. Bid $200 for the C&A private because the PRR is always a winner. Be careful outbidding me.  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 06, 2016, 10:35:30 AM
Oh yeah, I was going to read the rules..
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 06, 2016, 05:08:56 PM
Just FYI, if you open the map in rails, that will show information about the companies as well as the different phases of the game. It's especially helpful if you forget the benefit tied to a private.

I put a bid in on the M&H.

Chris is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on October 07, 2016, 04:32:51 PM
I bid on the D&H, Mike is up. I had a problem with the file initially. Let me know if anyone has trouble opening it.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on October 09, 2016, 11:11:24 AM
Bid for the D&H.  I think, can't remember.

L'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 10, 2016, 08:38:09 AM
I've bid on the C&A. Woodall is next.

I've not quite figured out Rail yet, so I apologise if I'm a bit slow..
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 10, 2016, 03:14:32 PM
So, since we shifted from my bid item to the next, does that mean it is closed and I retain the private? (obviously I haven't looked at the log)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 10, 2016, 04:04:58 PM
The initial auctions in 1830 are a bit funky (but fairly typical for 18xx). You can either buy the cheapest private or place a bid on one of the others. When someone buys the cheapest available RR, it potentially sets off a cascade of auctions. If the next highest private has a bid on it (and only 1 bid), the bidder gets that private for the bid price. If two people have bid on it, then those two (and only those two) have a normal auction for just that private. This continues until you reach another private that doesn't have a bid on it (at which time the cascade stops).

For example, if we have the following privates and bids:

PvA:  No bid
PvB:  P1 $30  P2 $35
PvC:  P3 $50
PvD:  No bid
PvE:  P4  $75  P5 $80

If the next player buys PvA, then PvB will be auctioned off between P1 and P2. P1 will have the first bid (since he's lowest) and have to bid at least $40. P1 and P2 continue bidding until someone passes. At that point PvC would be given to P3 for $50 since he's the only bid. The next private doesn't have a bid, so the "cascade" stops and the next player again has the option to bid on PvE or buy the cheapest private (now PvD)--or they could pass.

Conceivably, everyone could pass before all the privates are auctioned/sold. This would trigger an operating round, which would consist of paying out the privates that have been sold. Then it would be back to another stock round to finish off the privates (hopefully) and then once the privates are gone, stocks can be purchased.

Right now we have:

SVNRR:  No bid
C&Stl:  No bid
D&H: Chris $75
M&H: Rex $115 and Mike $120
C&A: Woodall $200 and l'amour $205
B&O: No bid

Right now if, the SVNRR is bought, nothing happens because there are no bids on the C&StL. Once there's a bid on the C&StL, then the purchase of teh SVNRR will trigger the auction of the remaining privates (except the B&O).

Also, once you've placed a bid on a private, there's no need to bid on it again until it gets auctioned off. placing gets you into the actual auction that will happen later.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 10, 2016, 04:32:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmYkt2RkhsI

Now you just usin' words I don't understand. So I'ma haf to pass.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 10, 2016, 05:10:03 PM
I joined into the C&A fun. Over to Chris.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 10, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
By any chance, do you guys have any old magic cards? I'm looking for a very high quality scan of a revised Bayou. And other revised dual lands.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on October 11, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
I bid on the C&StL. Mike is up.

Sounds legit James.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 11, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
I'm actually authenticating old stuff, nothing to do with my recent fed visit.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 11, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
So if I'm the only bid on a private, do I win that private automatically?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on October 11, 2016, 04:29:24 PM
Woodall:

If that private comes up for auction and you are the only bidder, yes, you win it automatically.

I put a bid on the D&H.

L'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 13, 2016, 05:29:01 AM
Has the Schuylkill Valley been bought yet? Is it on offer? If so I'll have it!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 13, 2016, 09:15:09 PM
It is still open, so you should be able to purchase for $15 (1 stock round rolled past which reduces by 5), if I'm not mistaken. This would then force Chris to purchase C&StL for $45 and trigger a bid for the D&H.

Chris and Mike have offers on the D&H, with Chris initially at $75, then Mike at $80. So I believe it would be Chris' option to bid $85 unless he wants to give it to Mike for $80. That's how I'm reading the rules anyway, Rex can correct me if I'm off here.

P.S. I don't know how to get Rails to devalue the SVNRR to $15 for L'amour.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 13, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
It is still open, so you should be able to purchase for $15 (1 stock round rolled past which reduces by 5), if I'm not mistaken. This would then force Chris to purchase C&StL for $45 and trigger a bid for the D&H.

Chris and Mike have offers on the D&H, with Chris initially at $75, then Mike at $80. So I believe it would be Chris' option to bid $85 unless he wants to give it to Mike for $80. That's how I'm reading the rules anyway, Rex can correct me if I'm off here.

P.S. I don't know how to get Rails to devalue the SVNRR to $15 for L'amour.

The stock round has not actually ended. A stock round ends when everyone passes consecutively. A stock round is followed by an operating round (or 2 or 3 depending on the phase). This will make sense more, once we get past the initial private auctions, which is a bit funky.

To compare it to B&O, the stock round is the entirety of players making multiple buy/sell stock decisions. Each player can have multiple turns in a single stock round.

It would be very unexpected if we actually made it through a stock round without all the privates being sold/auctioned.

So l'amour will have to pay $20 if he wants the SVNRR. Rails should handle the unlikely event that everyone does pass before the SVNRR is sold and automatically mark its price down.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 13, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
So everything is the same except he'll need to pay $20, then we have the Chris/Mike auction, correct?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 14, 2016, 09:32:30 AM
In Rails I selected the company and it gave the option to buy (and nothing else). It looks like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/nF6JsWm.jpg)

So I get the first company, Chris gets C&StL, then Mike and Chris have a fight for the next one. All good? I'm finding this initial stock round a bit opaque. I played 1889, which has a similar (identical?) opening round and it sort of made sense in person. Online and on Rails I'm finding it harder to get my hear around. Ah well.

Anyway, I've saved it attached it.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 14, 2016, 03:20:46 PM
After Chris/Mike resolve the D&H, Mike and I will resolve the M&H, and then Woodall,l'amour and I will resolve the C&A. Then Woodall will have the first option to buy the B&O, followed by me, etc. until someone buys it. If everyone passed, we'd go to an operating round, the privates that have sold would pay out, and then back to another stock round. Rinse and repeat until someone buys the B&O (I expect that someone will before we ever get to an operating round).
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on October 14, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
I passed, and so Mike bought D&H. Rex is up to fight it out with Mike for M&H.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 15, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
I bumped the bid to $125. Mike is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on October 17, 2016, 09:04:54 PM
Bid $130 for M&H.  Back to you, Rex.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 18, 2016, 06:25:43 PM
I'll bid $135.

I think it will be easier to do a single logfile when the bidding is over. So no file for the moment.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on October 19, 2016, 04:03:38 PM
I'll pass .. it's yours.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 20, 2016, 05:45:55 PM
$215 for C&A!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 20, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
$215 for C&A!
Sorry. I meant to post a logfile, but forgot all about it.

I thought it would be Woodall's bid too, since he has low bid. But it's actually l'amour's because my bid is high, and he the next person in turn order. So he has the option to bid $215, then Woodall, then me, etc.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 20, 2016, 08:03:49 PM
Maybe $215 for C&A!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 21, 2016, 04:00:15 AM
I bid $220. I definitely know what I'm doing here.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 24, 2016, 12:19:52 AM
Well, I read the B&O private is the worst thing ever, so $225.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 24, 2016, 07:41:05 AM
$230
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 25, 2016, 03:56:25 AM
240
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 25, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
I'm out.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 26, 2016, 10:58:20 AM
Pass.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 26, 2016, 11:26:27 AM
Min then, is it? Good. That's great. I think that's good.

One more bloody company left and then we can do the rest of the game.
Woodall is up to do something.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 26, 2016, 11:31:07 AM
Suppose I might as well buy it. No access to the module right now.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 26, 2016, 12:00:01 PM
Since you get the President's share of the B&O (major) with the purchase of the B&O (private), you need to set the Par price as well.

$100 is typical (sometimes $90), from what I understand. But if you want to start the B&O in the follow on stock round, you'll need to make sure you set the par price so that you have enough cash to purchase four more shares--but that may not be possible. We start with $480 IIRC and you just spent $220 on the private, leaving you with $260 left. With that much cash remaining, the max par price you could set it for and guarantee it floats is $65, but the lowest par value is $67.

You probably wouldn't want to set Par for it that low anyway, because you would've essentially paid $220 for 2 shares worth a total $134 (plus the 1-time $30 payment you'd receive for the B&O private operating once). As it is, since the B&O private lasts until the B&O major has a train, you can set the Par high and collect $30 per operating round for the private (which will be much, much better than any share of stock will be producing initially) and then start the B&O a little later.

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 26, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
Let's set it at $100. This ain't no discount railroad. Classy shares for classy people.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 26, 2016, 05:47:58 PM
I clicked a button. Well, two. Start of Stock Round 1!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 26, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
Also, Brant is supposed to be fixing the .rails issue for us. Should make this a bit less work.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 26, 2016, 07:11:12 PM
I bought the president's share of the PRR and parred it for $67. Chris is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: bayonetbrant on October 26, 2016, 07:24:00 PM
Try the .rails extension now and see what you get
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on October 26, 2016, 07:27:57 PM
I used it in the post above you. It works.  :)

Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on October 27, 2016, 08:41:03 PM
Bought the president's share of the CPR, set par to $71. Mike is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on October 28, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
Sorry guys, I was hoping to do my turn today, but never had any free time. 

Tonight I have a FtF game of 1889.  I am hoping it will inspire me and help me figure out my next play here.  Tomorrow morning if it goes well.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 28, 2016, 06:11:01 PM
<-- jealous

I've got a ftf with my acura's engine compartment... :(
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on October 29, 2016, 10:57:10 AM
Well, it was a great game of 1889.  I felt like I made great train moves and had two companies with permanent trains.  But I played the long game and the game ended quicker than I thought (the bank in 1889 is pretty small) -- and my train moves meant my stock portfolio sucked.  So I came in last.  But it was still a lot of fun.

I bought a share of the B&O.

L'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on October 31, 2016, 04:22:32 AM
I bought a PRR share. Woodall next.

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on October 31, 2016, 11:38:48 PM
Bought 1 share B&O, Rex up
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 01, 2016, 06:57:12 PM
Bought another PRR share.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 04, 2016, 12:54:18 PM
Have we lost Binkman again?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 04, 2016, 02:14:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZXHmZ8M.jpg)

It really doesn't bother me.  Gives me time to breathe.  I might be in too many PBEM games.   
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on November 04, 2016, 06:49:36 PM
Aqui! Aqui! Oh... wrong thread.

Bought a share of the PRR. Mike is up!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 05, 2016, 03:30:17 PM
The PRR is where is at.  Bought a share.  L'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on November 06, 2016, 04:19:11 AM
Same here. Woodall next.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 06, 2016, 08:42:01 PM
Another B&O, Rex is up.

(Mike, if you were waiting for me to profess my love, here it is in coal, steel, and money)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 08, 2016, 06:18:48 PM
Crap. Sorry for the delay...I'm not getting e-mail notifications for this.

Bought another PRR share. Chris is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on November 09, 2016, 12:43:56 PM
Bought a CPR.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 09, 2016, 07:06:50 PM
Bought the last PRR.  L'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 10, 2016, 05:41:43 PM
Mike, you forgot to float the B&O.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 10, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
Mike, you forgot to float the B&O.

Oops!  ;D
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on November 11, 2016, 01:53:39 AM
Pass.

Woodall.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 11, 2016, 01:13:15 PM
I haven't the money. Pass!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 11, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
I'll pass for the moment, too. (no log) Chris should be up, I think.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on November 14, 2016, 11:18:38 AM
Bought a CPR. Mike is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 14, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
Well, I could make either the B&O or CPR (edit: Assuming Binkman spends his $$ on another CPR share) float.. does no one want to woo me?  I guess others could help the CPR float as well.. but you know.. I would not mind being wooed.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 14, 2016, 10:15:43 PM
Well, I don't do wooing too well. But logically, you're already pot committed to the B&O. I can't float it so you would certainly be severely punishing me at a small detriment to yourself. If you think that's reasonable play, then you should float the CPR. I suspect the CPR will be floated regardless of your move since there is ample capital on the board to do so, but you are the only one that can float the B&O.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 15, 2016, 07:47:19 AM
Well, I don't do wooing too well. But logically, you're already pot committed to the B&O. I can't float it so you would certainly be severely punishing me at a small detriment to yourself. If you think that's reasonable play, then you should float the CPR. I suspect the CPR will be floated regardless of your move since there is ample capital on the board to do so, but you are the only one that can float the B&O.

You are wooing me with logic!  Hrm.

Edit:  Actually, you might not be that bad off if the the B&O does not float.  You get the highest private payout in the game until the B&O gets a train.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on November 15, 2016, 02:50:08 PM
With an acronym like CPR, how can you help but breath life into this railroad?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 15, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
Donnon-floated company shares devalue for not operating?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 15, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
Donnon-floated company shares devalue for not operating?

Nope.  The company does not even exist until it floats, so it does not go in the OR, so the stock does not move.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 15, 2016, 05:44:06 PM
Ok, Woodall you get a chance to show your quality.

Bought some BO.  L'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 15, 2016, 06:51:10 PM

Edit:  Actually, you might not be that bad off if the the B&O does not float.  You get the highest private payout in the game until the B&O gets a train.

Yeah, with the B&O private exiting the game after the B&O major operates, it's not necessarily a bad deal to not float the B&O immediately. It's payout is more than any other private and will far exceed the return on any share early on. The problem is that you have ~$200 in capital sitting idle not paying dividends or appreciating in value.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on November 16, 2016, 01:43:55 AM
Paaaass (without a log).
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 16, 2016, 07:39:29 PM
Woodall is up, but he only has $60, which isn't enough to buy any shares, so I'll assume he'll pass.  I'll pass as well (no logfile)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 16, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
Binkman is up, I did the log file.  It's just the kind of guy I am.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 16, 2016, 08:26:29 PM

Yeah, with the B&O private exiting the game after the B&O major operates, it's not necessarily a bad deal to not float the B&O immediately. It's payout is more than any other private and will far exceed the return on any share early on. The problem is that you have ~$200 in capital sitting idle not paying dividends or appreciating in value.

Yes, but I didn't want to burn Mike.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 16, 2016, 08:48:26 PM


Yes, but I didn't want to burn Mike.

That doesn't sound like you... ::)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 16, 2016, 08:52:07 PM
Surprised me too. But what's life without a twist here and there?

(I may or may not have been drunk at a Halloween party)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on November 18, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
Who's turn is it? I've lost track...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 18, 2016, 02:00:51 PM
Who's turn is it? I've lost track...

HarHar.

Binkman.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on November 19, 2016, 02:41:26 PM
So lonely on here on the CPR. Sorry to keep you guys waiting so long for a pass... If anyone grabs a CPR share I'll go ahead and throw the last bit of my capital into it. Mike is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 19, 2016, 08:31:43 PM
Woodall is up.

Code: [Select]
All players have passed, end of SR 1

PRR price goes from $67(G6) to $71(G5).
PRR is sold out, price rises from $67(G6) to $71(G5)

B&O has $1000
PRR has $670

Woodall has $60
Rex has $77
Chris has $84
Mike has $66
l'amour has $86

 ======================= Start of Operating Round 1.1 =======================
l'amour receives $5 for SVNRR.
Chris receives $10 for C&StL.
Mike receives $15 for D&H.
Rex receives $20 for M&H.
l'amour receives $25 for C&A.
Woodall receives $30 for B&O.
 
B&O (Woodall) operates.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 19, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
Mike, we're gonna make a killing.  <:-)

Code: [Select]
B&O (Woodall) operates.
B&O lays tile #57 at hex J14/SW for $80
B&O lays a token on J14 for $40
B&O does not pay a dividend
B&O price goes from $100(G1) to $90(F1).
B&O buys a 2-train from IPO for $80.
Private B&O is closed
First 2-train bought.
B&O buys a 2-train from IPO for $80.
B&O buys a 2-train from IPO for $80.
(**) 
PRR (Rex) operates.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 20, 2016, 09:56:05 AM
PRR bought 1 train and ended OR1.

l'amour is 1st up in a new SR.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 21, 2016, 12:11:21 AM
So, Mike... are you a big PoG guy or something? Saw your name as a contributor on Vassal module. Just played my first game face to face on Saturday and came across it!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on November 21, 2016, 05:45:55 AM
I'll pass. no log, sorry, lazy.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 21, 2016, 07:55:04 AM
Which puts Woodall up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on November 21, 2016, 10:34:00 AM
Actually, I'll help Chris float 'his' company, if I can afford it. No access to module.

Okay, home now. I've decided I lied. I'll wait for Binkman (or someone else) to commit! :D
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on November 21, 2016, 08:26:30 PM
I passed as well. Binkman is up.

Also Binkman, if you're interested in playing Indonesia, please post in the Pax Por thread.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on November 22, 2016, 11:30:31 AM
So, Mike... are you a big PoG guy or something? Saw your name as a contributor on Vassal module. Just played my first game face to face on Saturday and came across it!

No, I've never played PoG.  Some guys I know were playing it and the VASSAL creator had not added an image capture button.  They actually used a camera to take a picture of their computer screen!   This actually caused me physical pain to watch.

Rather than try to teach them to do a screen capture, I just rev'd the VASSAL mod to add image capture.  It took 5 minutes, including loading it to the site.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on November 28, 2016, 02:02:49 PM
Sorry for the delay—laptop conked out as soon as I got to grandma's for Thanksgiving week...

Bought a CPR share. Who's with me on this?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 01, 2016, 07:57:22 PM
M..m.. mike?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 04, 2016, 10:26:09 AM
Goddamnit, all my notifications stopped working.  Sorry.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 04, 2016, 10:29:33 AM
L'amour..

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 04, 2016, 02:37:24 PM
Goddamnit, all my notifications stopped working.  Sorry.

I wonder if it has something to do with not going to the site through the link in the notification e-mail. I've noticed that if there are three or four posts between the first post that causes a notification and the time I actually access the thread, I'll only get a notification about the first post. I wonder if you never access the thread from the e-mail, the site just assumes you still have a notification in your e-mail waiting for you.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 04, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
I've not been getting notifications either - until today when I got two!

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 04, 2016, 03:00:26 PM
I've not done my turn, by the way. No idea what's going on in the game. I'll do it tomorrow. It's night time here.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 05, 2016, 03:41:25 AM
Bought a B&O. Mr Woodall next.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 05, 2016, 07:24:54 AM
I'll buy a CPR share, no log access if next player wants to go. (Rex, maybe?)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 05, 2016, 06:49:57 PM
I bought the CPR share for Woodall and then passed.

Money remaining in player order after me:

Chris:  $23
Mike:   $10
l'amour:$16
Woodall: $19

If you guys all pass, then it's on to the next operating, which will be the B&O/Woodall 1st. I figure it will be easier to just pass through the forum than doing logfiles.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 05, 2016, 08:43:09 PM
Passy mcpass pass.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 05, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
I will be passing.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 06, 2016, 05:00:30 AM
I will also be doing a pass
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on December 06, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
Pass
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 06, 2016, 07:55:44 AM
Woodall is up to operate the B&O then, I believe.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 07, 2016, 11:02:51 PM
Fuckin' notifications - all you, binkman.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on December 09, 2016, 07:53:35 AM
All aboard for Rex's turn.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 09, 2016, 08:47:42 PM
The PRR ran for a whopping $30 after laying a tile. It then bought the last 2-train and the first 3-train. In my last act as President of the PRR, I bought the M&H from myself for a tidy sum of $220, dropping the PRR treasury to $110. That concluded the operating round. As luck would have it, I had priority deal and promptly sold all my holdings in the PRR, dropping it's stock value to $67 from $76 and making l'amour the new president (congratulations el presidente). Flush with cash, I decided to start the NYNH at $71 per share.

Binkman is up.

You've got $36, which isn't enough to buy a share without selling a share (I thought that information might help you decide if you wanted to pass).

Just FYI for you guys that are somewhat unfamiliar with 1830, only 50% of a company's stock can be in the pool at any one time. Right now 40% of the PRR is in the pool, so only one more share can be sold until some of those shares are bought out of the pool.

Current cash for everyone else (in order after Binkman)

Mike: $59
l'amour: $69
Woodall: $75
Me:  $511

Rails has an option for "autopass."  If you're ever going to pass and you're positive you're not going to do anything else the rest of the stock round, autopass instead of just passing. For future turns you'll automatically be skipped. That might speed up the stock round some.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 09, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
Told you guys not to trust him.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on December 10, 2016, 01:57:12 PM
Pass!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 10, 2016, 04:20:12 PM
I will pass as well.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 12, 2016, 09:07:43 PM
l'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 13, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Hello. Sorry for the delay (notifications! Argh!)
I'll have a look at this tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 13, 2016, 01:29:41 PM
Actually, I'll do it now.

I bought a share of the PRR, which I now feel comitted to after overpaying for that bloody private at the beginning.
Anywaay, Woodall is up next.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 13, 2016, 02:26:41 PM
Actually, I'll do it now.

I bought a share of the PRR, which I now feel comitted to after overpaying for that bloody private at the beginning.
Anywaay, Woodall is up next.

Looks like you paid $230 for it. In this thread, (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/646339/going-rates-private-companies) Clearclaw suggests that the C&A is "easily" worth $180-$200 in a 5-player game. So you might have overpaid a bit, especially for as inexperienced as we all are. But if you can sell it to a company for 2x face value relatively soon, the overpay in the initial auction won't really matter. Unfortunately someone left the company you got dumped on you with very little cash...

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 14, 2016, 03:41:40 AM
It's going to be difficult to keep shareholders on board if I go out looking to gut the company. Maybe it will be better to have more moxest ambitions and get the company making money for the shareholders. I don't know.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 14, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
Here ya go, you filthy animal!  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 15, 2016, 09:33:47 AM
No Rails access until this evening. I'm just going to buy another share of the company I just started. Binkman (I think he's next) can go ahead and include that in his logfile (or declare a pass) if he wants to act before I get a chance to put a logfile up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 15, 2016, 07:26:47 PM
Now with a file.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: binkman on December 20, 2016, 07:05:04 AM
Pass. Mike is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 20, 2016, 02:13:32 PM
Chris passes.

Mike sells 2 10% certificates (20%) of PRR to Pool for $134.
PRR price goes from $67(G8) to $50(G10).

Mike buys a 10% share of NYNH from IPO for $71.

l'amour is up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 20, 2016, 07:57:50 PM
l'amour is going to find out about all the advantages of operating a company in the yellow/orange/brown.  O:-)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 24, 2016, 03:35:29 AM
I know I say this every time but sorry for the delay.

The PRR is fucked then, is it? Thanks everyone. Are we still on the stock round? If so, I pass until it's over.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 24, 2016, 09:40:15 AM
Woodall had $4, so to speed up things a bit, I assumed a pass and bought another NYNH share for myself. Binkman passed last time, so I assumed another pass. Mike is up.

We can always roll things back if Woodall/Binkman want to do something different.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 24, 2016, 10:15:43 AM
I bought a NYNH.  Passed for L'amour and Woodall.  Rex I think you are up.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 24, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
I continued buying NYNH shares. I assumed continuing passes for Binkman/Woodall/l'amour. Mike, you dropped low enough you couldn't buy a share without out selling, so I assumed a pass there as well. After floating the NYNH, I bought 2 B&O shares.

If all of that is Kosher (i.e., it doesn't trigger sales of shares by others), then Woodall is up to operate the B&O.

I'm heading out of town for Christmas and won't be back until Monday morning (not that I expect a flurry of activity over the next couple of days).
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 24, 2016, 02:21:44 PM
I know I say this every time but sorry for the delay.

The PRR is fucked then, is it? Thanks everyone. Are we still on the stock round? If so, I pass until it's over.

I had nothing to do with the state of the PRR, just for the record.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on December 24, 2016, 03:41:52 PM
 I should have ditched it after Stites..c'est la vie.

Merry Xmas everyone. Have a good one and thanks for the fun games this year!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 24, 2016, 07:45:25 PM
Merry Christmas! Think I'll buy myself some ASL stuff once all this holiday stuff is sorted...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on December 24, 2016, 10:44:34 PM
Merry Christmas to the best group of misfit train and other heavish game players on these interwebz!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 26, 2016, 11:35:36 AM
Merry [belated] Christmas.

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 27, 2016, 05:41:59 PM
I don't have the rules in front of me so I don't know if I would have really wanted to put that token on the gray tile. You know, if I were competent.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 27, 2016, 07:15:46 PM
I don't think there's any advantage to putting a token on the gray hex. Token placement basically accomplishes three things:  1) provides a starting point to run trains from, 2) ensures that the company will always be able to pass through a hex, or 3) block other companies from running through a hex. Placing the B&) token in K15 accomplishes none of these. It's a dead end hex than cannot be upgraded. Your token in J14 guarantees that you'll be able to run to K15 regardless. Your company can only run a particular track segment one time in a turn, so you couldn't double up and run J14 to K15 followed by K15 to J14.

From my little experience with 1830, a token by the B&O in J14 (the green "X" tile) can be a good early play if the B&O has a lot of 2-trains. It allows runs from J14 to K13 (offboard red), J14 to K15 (gray) and K14 to I15. Those three runs are typically much more profitable than anything the other early RRs can put together (at least so quickly). But I can't see how the token in the gray tile helps out.

If you'd like to take back the placement of the token, I'd be ok with that.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on December 27, 2016, 07:22:17 PM
Okay, thanks. I don't have the rules here and I didn't think it would help, but wasn't sure. Here's the corrected file.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on December 28, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
NYNH done. Over to Chris/CPR.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 02, 2017, 12:07:32 PM
Bump for Binkman.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 06, 2017, 01:47:12 AM
I think we can go ahead and call this one defunct. That said, I'm enjoying Indonesia, even though I'm quite out of contention. SlothNinja sure makes it easy to play.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 06, 2017, 04:12:17 AM
It will take a million years to finish the game at this rate.

How about another go at Indonesia (after I complete my heroic win) with a game of Food Chain Magnate in tandem, and then move onto The Great Zimbabwe once it's available? Then we can all get matching Splotter tattoos.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 06, 2017, 07:44:31 AM
My problem with sloth ninja is it makes it too easy to play.  I have not spent the time I should considering my moves.  It's just.. hey look what happens when I click here!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 06, 2017, 07:45:37 AM
Somehow l'amour got 2 TV dinner companies?  I think somehow that is bad.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 06, 2017, 08:11:02 AM
I think we can go ahead and call this one defunct. That said, I'm enjoying Indonesia, even though I'm quite out of contention. SlothNinja sure makes it easy to play.

I'm not sure if it's the change to a forum that we don't each frequent multiple times a day or what, but CE/WC wouldn't have worked at the rate we're playing.

Slothninja works great. The only thing that is missing is that it doesn't work very well for banter/game conversation. I only check it when it's my move, and even then I don't always check the messages. Perhaps going forward, we should start an accompanying forum thread for the game to better facilitate conversation? That might help with what Mike is saying about just playing and not thinking.

Also, there's apparently now an online implementation of Pax Porfiriana with rules enforcement. I don't remember which site it's on off the top of my head, but that might be worth giving another try. It might be a better asynchronous experience for Pax than VASSAL was.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 06, 2017, 08:39:40 AM
It's Yucata I believe. I found Pax P a bit flat on Vassal but I'd give it another bash on a different format.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 06, 2017, 08:44:51 AM
It's Yucata I believe. I found Pax P a bit flat on Vassal but I'd give it another bash on a different format.

I'm 99% sure you're correct. The only thing that was coming to mind was Zun Tzu, and I knew that wasn't right. 
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 06, 2017, 04:54:01 PM
Binkman just seems to have other priorities these days. Our TUSCW game dropped off as well, though it was fairly sorted out by the time he went AWOL. As far as messaging... I think its just that we're forced to post to share the file, rather than playing with the software and just so happening to look at the message box.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: bayonetbrant on January 07, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
hey guys - brief admin interruption here :)

There's a Fire In The Lake online game starting up that's looking for another player or two.  I know some of you have experience with the COIN system and thought you might be interested

http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=18567.0


back to the trains! O0
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 07, 2017, 08:52:11 PM
Well played in the Indonesia game l'amour. I don't think your first shipping company getting bought out from under you hurt you any.  ;D

You guys want to play again? I'd like to. I'd also be up for a game of FCM like l'amour suggested.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 07, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
I'm up for either - probably not diving into that coin game though. Playing all this other crap while learning ASL is enough for my head.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 08, 2017, 01:45:56 AM
Thanks. I'm not sure how it went so right, in the end.

I'm happy to play this again or FCM or both.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 08, 2017, 10:08:46 AM
I created another game of Indonesia. "rstites25's game #2"  Password is TGB (all caps; don't know if it's case sensitive)

If we want to FCM, we may need a bit of coordination at the outset. From what I recall, there's know way to make a private game, so there's always a chance someone else inadvertently joins before we all do.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 08, 2017, 10:47:04 AM
On boardgamecore when you create a game you can invite people by tapping in their user names.

I'll start the game if you all create an account and post user names here (although I have a fair idea what they might be.. )
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 08, 2017, 10:57:54 AM
Is Mike an Indonesia fan? ;)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 08, 2017, 11:05:59 AM
If not, I can invite my vassal pal Edwin to play. He's a good egg, is into economic games and is most reliable for online games.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 08, 2017, 11:23:59 AM
Is Mike an Indonesia fan? ;)

If not, we can play something else. I thought I'd just get the ball rolling and set up the game rather than waiting for everyone to chime in.  :)

On boardgamecore when you create a game you can invite people by tapping in their user names.

I'll start the game if you all create an account and post user names here (although I have a fair idea what they might be.. )

You are correct, but my experience has been that the invitations don't close down the game to other people. I could be wrong, though.

I'm rstites25 on there too.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 08, 2017, 11:25:15 AM
My handle is the same there... I've never played FCM so you'll have to give me a bit to read the rules.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 08, 2017, 11:55:48 AM
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You are correct, but my experience has been that the invitations don't close down the game to other people. I could be wrong, though.

I'm rstites25 on there too.

I think if you set the game to 4 players and type in three other peoples names then it wont let anyone else in. We'll wait for Mike and find out for sure anyway.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 08, 2017, 12:04:59 PM
My handle is the same there... I've never played FCM so you'll have to give me a bit to read the rules.

After reading the rules, I'd recommend reading through this strategy article (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1556001/so-you-want-be-food-chain-magnate-frame-work-4-pla) from BGG. It will give you a little bit idea of how everything fits together.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 08, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
I am very interested in both games. 

I love Indonesia, but have been very distracted lately.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 08, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
Distracted works, so long as you're enjoying yourself!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 08, 2017, 08:35:07 PM
Distracted works, so long as you're enjoying yourself!

Oh, I am.  I do enjoy it more if I put in the effort, but I still enjoy playing the games.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 09, 2017, 07:58:46 AM
Joined Indonesia #2.  Watch out, I may print out the rules this time.

I'd definitely be down for FCM.  I am egg_salad there too.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 09, 2017, 11:29:28 AM
I'll set up the FCM game later in the week so everyone has chance to do some rules homework.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 15, 2017, 04:55:36 AM
I have set up the FCM game. It should appear to you on boardgamecore.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 15, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
I'm in.

Now I'll just have to remember how to play [competently].
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 15, 2017, 01:57:22 PM
I'm in.

Now I'll just have to remember how to play [competently].

Oh, are there prerequisites?  I've never been able to play competently.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 15, 2017, 03:10:45 PM
FCM seems much more difficult to play by the seat of your pants. Since there's such a lag between making a move (hiring) and it's consequences actually coming into play, seems like you have to have some semblance of a plan.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 15, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
I think it goes both ways. You'll not do well if you can't react to what's going on.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 15, 2017, 04:50:57 PM
But because of the lag, even to react, you've got to be planning ahead.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 16, 2017, 11:29:34 AM
FCM seems much more difficult to play by the seat of your pants.

Challenge accepted!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 16, 2017, 06:21:39 PM
Could one of you post the rules for FCM? Been sick for a week and just now getting to it.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 16, 2017, 07:49:20 PM
The pdf is available in BGG's files section. It's too large to post here, or I would.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 16, 2017, 08:15:40 PM
I can't access BGG. I have a Dropbox account though.

Well, maybe I can long enough to download the file.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 16, 2017, 08:32:21 PM
Grabbed it! :D
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 17, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Something to keep in mind for our next round of gaming, if you guys are interested.
http://www.rollingstock.net/
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 18, 2017, 07:48:02 AM
Something to keep in mind for our next round of gaming, if you guys are interested.
http://www.rollingstock.net/

Didn't realize there was an online implementation of Rolling Stock. I was able to get a PNP copy printed up last summer when ArtsCow ran a deal on 3 decks of cards for ~$15-$20.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 18, 2017, 08:04:08 AM
I've never heard of it. I'll have a look into it.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 18, 2017, 08:05:39 AM
Rex, I had a feeling you were going to put your shop there. I was regretting not placing over the tile edge.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 18, 2017, 08:21:57 AM
I've never heard of it. I'll have a look into it.

It's 18XX sans the RR network and train rush. It's purely about buying companies. The interesting thing is that there are a bunch of private companies that produce a base revenue. But depending on what other companies you own, the revenue(s) may increase based on the synergy between companies (this is completely deterministic and predictable). So your goal to get companies that work well together. But those aren't stock companies, they're just purely 100% ownership privates. The game adds an extra layer of being able to start stock companies that you sell the privates to. You get to determine how many shares you issue initially and get to set the IPO price (within a range). The stock price is a function of the revenues the privates you sell into the stock company generate. If a stock company doesn't acquire/lose any privates, and it's revenue remains constant, the stock price will eventually settle at an "actual" price for the shares. The game ends up being about figuring out how to leverage these stock companies to "create" cash to finance future private purchases--which is easier in theory than in practice.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 18, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
Rex, I had a feeling you were going to put your shop there. I was regretting not placing over the tile edge.

There weren't a lot of options left. I basically had to go on that half of the board, or else risk you being able to Luxury Manager yourself to an early cash advantage since you'd have no competition over there.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 18, 2017, 08:47:00 AM
I still haven't read the rules, but I figured a central location near the houses and some other colored icons might be a good place.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 18, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
It looks alright to me, matey. Not much drink action but that's ok.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 19, 2017, 10:51:34 AM
FYI folks, starting this afternoon I will be in a place with really poor internet, if any.  Back Monday.

If you are curious, I will be here, although the weather will likely be complete crap.
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/03/83/34/c6/bandon-dunes-golf-resort.jpg)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 19, 2017, 08:01:38 PM
Made it 3 days before they banned the account. Think that's a new record. Also, I've set notifications on BGC so I won't be the hold up anymore. That falls to Mike now that he's venturing into the real world.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 19, 2017, 08:55:49 PM
Are you permabanned there or something?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 19, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Yes, which I'm okay with except certain moronic manufacturers use BGG as a file depository.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 23, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
If you have the capability to reverse to my turn, please do so. I didn't want to play my kitchen trainee, obviously.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 24, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Unfortunately, there's no way to do so.

I don't think it will hurt you much, anyway. Since Mike already has the first-to-train milestone, anyone you trained, you'd have to fire anyway because you don't have any money to pay their salary.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 24, 2017, 09:20:27 AM
Oh, I didn't realize he already had it. Who'd he train?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 24, 2017, 09:40:48 AM
I *think* it was an errand boy.

If you haven't played before, it may not be clear, but because of the sequence of play, you can actually train the person you hired earlier in the round. So last round you should have trained your kitchen trainee after hiring him.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 24, 2017, 09:43:14 AM
Hmm, I guess I didn't see it in the history. I must be confused on the turn structure.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 24, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
Btw, I'm all for playing this thing out and seeing how it all works. But so far it looks like maybe the most boring game I've played in a long while. I mean that in the best way possible.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 24, 2017, 09:52:26 AM
I am 100% sure I wouldn't want to organize those cards on the table IRL though.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 24, 2017, 10:06:54 AM
The first few turns are slow since there's nothing on the board to do. It gets more interesting once marketing campaigns start and you have to start figuring out strategies so that you make the sales. (A combination of marketing so that you can fulfill demand and others cannot and beating the other players on price).

Unfortunately, the game is procedurally front-loaded. You've got to really set up your corporate structure so that you get the milestones you want/achieve and so that you can respond to how other people are playing. It's like Chess in that you can come into a game with an "opening book" and play it without much thought for the first few turns. Unfortunately, that increases the learning curve immensely.

Re: Turn structure. In Phase 3, the first thing you do is "Recruit." The card(s) you recruit are then placed in the stack of cards that are 'at the beach." The second thing you do is to train employees that are "at the beach," which allows you to train what you've just hired.

Another timing thing to keep in mind is that in order to run a marketing campaign, you have to hire a marketing trainee on T(X) then play the marketing trainee on T(x+1) during Phase 3. Then during Phase 4 of T(X+1) existing demand is resolved; notably, your just-played marketing campaign has not run. Finally, during Phase 6 of T(x+1), your marketing campaign is run, thus creating new demand based on your marketing campaign. Then during T(x+2) you finally play the cooks/errand boy necessary to fulfill the demand you've created.

Obviously, you can fulfill demand other than what you create. This is why going last in a round can be really important. If l'amour goes first and puts out a billboard for Pizza, then on your turn, you can buy train a Pizza Cook to play the next round to fulfill the demand he creates at the end of this round. But if he goes after you, you may have to guess at whether he's going to market Pizza, Burgers, or some type of drink.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on January 24, 2017, 10:09:55 AM
I am 100% sure I wouldn't want to organize those cards on the table IRL though.

The BGG marketplace sells an accordion organizer for the employees that you can place in the box top. They also sell a laminated cardboard player aid for the milestones that you can use a wet/dry erase marker on to mark who has which milestone. They include enough of the play aids that each player can have his/her own. It drastically cuts down on the table space necessary for the game. Though, you do still have the problem of having enough space for each player to lay out their corporate structure.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 24, 2017, 10:10:12 AM
+1 to Rex's analysis.  I think this game is very polarizing.  I like it quite a bit, not that I do that well at it, though.  But I know some folks really do not enjoy it.  It definitely gets deep later on.  On the down side, it can be very hard to come back from a significant deficit.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 24, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
Well, I'm curious to see where it goes anyway. I should probably find and print a player aid.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 24, 2017, 03:10:39 PM
Oh my god the notifications on this site are a bag of shit. I had no idea there was some classic convo occuring.

The slow early turns are really handy for getting new players going in face-to-face games but I can see that it might not appear to be much a thrill-fest online. It gets more interesting, honest.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on January 27, 2017, 05:36:20 AM
I'm finding the FCM online implementation to be a bit flat in a way similar to Pax P. I know it's easy enough to check the history but I feel it's all a bit distant and lacking the immediacy that makes the game lots of fun face-to-face. I don't know if that makes sense.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on January 27, 2017, 07:28:18 AM
I'm finding the FCM online implementation to be a bit flat in a way similar to Pax P. I know it's easy enough to check the history but I feel it's all a bit distant and lacking the immediacy that makes the game lots of fun face-to-face. I don't know if that makes sense.

Yeah, I think the game is more fun FtF.  I think it is just the nature of some games to not work well with the interrupted nature of asynchronous online play.

Although, it is really nice when the online game calculates the deliveries for you.  However, it is really hard to understand how they work until you've done the calcs yourself.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on January 27, 2017, 07:34:45 AM
Like Kiera Knightley without the looks.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 02:23:33 PM
Aargh! Burgers!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 03, 2017, 02:25:33 PM
Did the burger baron just crush us?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 02:49:13 PM
Crushing is imminent.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 02:51:56 PM
I'm giving the majority of my staff the week off because they are suddenly completely useless.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 03, 2017, 02:53:05 PM
Well, as far as I can tell I should have never hired anyone.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 03:01:24 PM
Mike neutered the Burger Baron, or at least made the job a little tougher.

Plus, my wholly inefficient corporate structure is costing me more than I'm making at this point...so I've gotta sell a lot of burgers.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 03:03:26 PM
Indonesia has finished. We should keep a running tally of who is winning what.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
But who cares about Burger Barons when Siap Fiji barons rule the day.

I screwed the pooch on the endgame of that one. My plan going into mergers was to redistribute some cash to myself and then try to end the game before those bidding on the merger(s) could win it back. I would've been much better off letting mike have the rubber company.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 03:05:38 PM
That faji was immense.

Big mergers that close to the end are so tough to call. I ended reasonably happy with all the boats, when I was expecting to be right out at the bottom for a lot of the game.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
Also, Rex, it's your go in HIS.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 03, 2017, 03:08:15 PM
Hmm.. I even looked at the Indonesia rules this time.  For some reason, I thought it went one more turn after the companies are snatched up. 

It might be the fever dreams.  I am having trouble focusing.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 03:08:49 PM
Yeah, I know. I should be able to get to it this evening. It's tough to make plays during the work day on it. I should have done it last night, but forgot all about it.

Do you guys want another game of Indonesia? I really like the flow of it online.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
I couldn't remember how long it had been since the last notification. Was it only yesterday? Sorry!



Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 03:12:30 PM
Hmm.. I even looked at the Indonesia rules this time.  For some reason, I thought it went one more turn after the companies are snatched up. 

It might be the fever dreams.  I am having trouble focusing.

It technically does. Era/phase change is the first thing that happens in a turn. But the game ends immediately when Era C ends. So we went to the next turn, the criteria for an era change was met, and the game ended.

I screwed up in the first game thinking that era a or b would last an extra turn because 1 of the companies was left out there because I didn't realize that it was triggered when 1 or 0 was left.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 03, 2017, 03:13:50 PM
Yeah I'm happy to keep Indonesia going. It works well online.

I wonder how 'normal' our scores are. Both games have ended quite similarly:

1 - 1762 - 1780
2 - 1256 - 1275
3 - 1234 - 1222
4 -   943 -   843
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 03:13:53 PM
I couldn't remember how long it had been since the last notification. Was it only yesterday? Sorry!

I think it was a day or two before that...last night was just when I had time to do it and didn't.  ;D I probably needed the reminder again anyway...it slips my mind if I'm not able to get to it immediately.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 03, 2017, 03:34:24 PM
Yeah I'm happy to keep Indonesia going. It works well online.

I wonder how 'normal' our scores are. Both games have ended quite similarly:

1 - 1762 - 1780
2 - 1256 - 1275
3 - 1234 - 1222
4 -   943 -   843

Both times the Siap Faji master won, no?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 06:44:02 PM
Yeah I'm happy to keep Indonesia going. It works well online.

I wonder how 'normal' our scores are. Both games have ended quite similarly:

1 - 1762 - 1780
2 - 1256 - 1275
3 - 1234 - 1222
4 -   943 -   843

Both times the Siap Faji master won, no?

I think that's true, but Woodall just had Siap Faji the very last round. It was more that he came out on the better end of the mergers than everyone else. If I let you have the rubber company at a lower value, then he's pretty cash poor going into the last round and I'm pretty cash rich. If all the companies get snatched up again, I probably win. I gambled on the game going at least two rounds...though I don't think I would have been able to out-earn him by enough to have been able to catch him had it gone two rounds.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 03, 2017, 06:54:09 PM
New game created same name, but #3

Password:  siapfaji
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 03, 2017, 07:00:36 PM
I can do more Indonesia, but I'm not touching FCM again. ;)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 03, 2017, 08:23:07 PM
I'm not sure I am up for another Indonesia wacking.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 04, 2017, 04:28:19 AM
Miiiike don't leave us!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 04, 2017, 04:30:37 AM
I can do more Indonesia, but I'm not touching FCM again. ;)


If you get the chance to okay it it face-to-face I'd give it another go. It's actually loads of fun with a high banter capacity. I don't rate it as an online game either.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 04, 2017, 04:32:01 AM
I'm not sure I am up for another Indonesia wacking.

Is there another game we would all want to play?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 04, 2017, 06:44:27 AM
Miiiike don't leave us!

Ok, ok.  I'll be your punching bag again.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 04, 2017, 08:57:42 AM
I can do more Indonesia, but I'm not touching FCM again. ;)


If you get the chance to okay it it face-to-face I'd give it another go. It's actually loads of fun with a high banter capacity. I don't rate it as an online game either.

I think it really suffers if you learn the game online. You really need to walk through satisfying demand and marketing campaigns a couple times with the physical game to absorb how those things work. When the computer does it all for you, you miss out on a lot.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 04, 2017, 09:28:06 AM
Here's the results of the games we've played:

Wabash Cannonball #1

Rex: $90
Woodall: $72
l'amour:  $63
Mike:  $56

Wabash Cannonball #2

Rex:  $54
Mike: $51
Woodall: $48
l'amour: $37

Wabash Cannonball #3

Woodall: $120
l'amour: $108
Mike: $97
Rex: $89

B&O

Woodall: $4005
Mike: $3784
Binkman: $3126
l'amour: $2815
Rex: $2633

Pax Porfiriana

l'amour won--not really a good way to determine places in it

Indonesia #1

l'amour: $1730
Rex: $1253
Woodall: $1222
Mike: $833

Indonesia #2

Woodall: $1762
Rex: $1256
l'amour: $1234
Mike: $943

Food Chain Magnate:

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Indonesia #3

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

1830

Aborted

Name1st2nd3rd4th
Rex2202
Woodall   3120
l'amour2131
Mike0213

(the wins column and l'amour's row don't add up to 6 because he won Pax, which I didn't try to figure out the other placings)

Am I forgetting any games we've played?


Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 04, 2017, 12:38:47 PM
I can't blame FCM completely, though I do think the online implementation is not so hot. I never read the rules or downloaded the player aid. Probably should have just not played, too much stuff going on lately at work. That said, I'm trying to stay in the black and move the game along. :)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 04, 2017, 03:29:20 PM
Wow. The Burger Baron just fucked us all.

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 05, 2017, 10:31:31 AM
Nice to know there are records of my suckitude.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 05, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
"We count everything"--Billy Chapel
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 05, 2017, 10:58:01 AM
After this game of Indonesia, do you guys have any interest in playing a game of Arkwright? I don't know of any online implementations, but I think there's a VASSAL module.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 05, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
Sure, I'd play Arkwright.  How about Rolling Stock at some point, as well?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 05, 2017, 01:03:44 PM
Is Rolling Stock on vassal or another website?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 05, 2017, 02:28:37 PM
http://www.rollingstock.net/
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 05, 2017, 02:32:49 PM
Eh, I'd give it a shot. Heard of it before. Not sure if I'm interested in Arkwright or not. I'd have to look at a video.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 05, 2017, 03:36:10 PM
Well...FCM ended quicker than I expected. Without much basis, I had figured it would go another round.

Any desire for a second game of something not FCM to run parallel with Indonesia?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 05, 2017, 03:41:29 PM
Here's the results of the games we've played:

Wabash Cannonball #1

Rex: $90
Woodall: $72
l'amour:  $63
Mike:  $56

Wabash Cannonball #2

Rex:  $54
Mike: $51
Woodall: $48
l'amour: $37

Wabash Cannonball #3

Woodall: $120
l'amour: $108
Mike: $97
Rex: $89

B&O

Woodall: $4005
Mike: $3784
Binkman: $3126
l'amour: $2815
Rex: $2633

Pax Porfiriana

l'amour won--not really a good way to determine places in it

Indonesia #1

l'amour: $1730
Rex: $1253
Woodall: $1222
Mike: $833

Indonesia #2

Woodall: $1762
Rex: $1256
l'amour: $1234
Mike: $943

Food Chain Magnate:

Rex: $456
Mike: $368
l'amour: $161
Woodall: $27

Indonesia #3

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

1830

Aborted

Name1st2nd3rd4th
Rex3202
Woodall   3121
l'amour2141
Mike0313

(the wins column and l'amour's row don't add up to 6 because he won Pax, which I didn't try to figure out the other placings)

Am I forgetting any games we've played?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 05, 2017, 10:22:28 PM
Well...FCM ended quicker than I expected. Without much basis, I had figured it would go another round.

Any desire for a second game of something not FCM to run parallel with Indonesia?
I made my mistake when I let you go first on the radio round.  I plead a fever of 103.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 06, 2017, 08:19:39 AM
I lucked out a bit in that I had the milestone to get two drinks instead of one. That, and I had the freezer, so I was in a decent position to respond to your soda radio campaign, which allowed me to fulfill a lot of demand. The board being split probably wasn't the best scenario for a novice game. It's almost like two 2-player games running in parallel.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 06, 2017, 01:54:26 PM
I lucked out a bit in that I had the milestone to get two drinks instead of one. That, and I had the freezer, so I was in a decent position to respond to your soda radio campaign, which allowed me to fulfill a lot of demand. The board being split probably wasn't the best scenario for a novice game. It's almost like two 2-player games running in parallel.

I got that milestone as well.  If I had gotten radio 1, it would have been two cokes and 1 burger on all those houses...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 06, 2017, 02:19:48 PM
I just meant that I was in better position to react to your radio campaign because of it than I otherwise would have been. It essentially doubled the number of houses I could fulfill. I wasn't anticipating having to fulfill any drinks at that point and to do the best I could with what I had for a round while I increased drink capacity.

But you're right, if you had gone first, the additional Sodas and fewer burgers probably flips our positions.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 20, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
Have to say I'm not interested in Arkwright. Don't let me stop you dudes though. I will give Rolling Stock a shot.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 20, 2017, 02:31:20 PM
Let's do Rolling Stock. Are you familiar with the rules?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 20, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
No, but I'll be ready to start this weekend. I have some free time this week to read them. Not sure if there are some official rules but I just searched and found a concise (4 pgs), learning to play (16 pgs), and players guide (27 pgs) documents on some website. Strangely, my local game shop has a copy of this game available. I didn't think it had been published.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 20, 2017, 04:19:48 PM
All-Aboard Games sells copies, but I'm surprised that it would ever be in a shop (perhaps it's second hand?). The files are PNP. There's a link somewhere to files on ArtsCow where you can have the cards printed out. You can end up printing them on three of their print-on-demand decks. I ended up getting a copy when they were running a special on 3 decks for $15 or so.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 20, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
It looks like the AAG copy. I'll have to drive over there and double check because I swear I saw a copy and it struck me because I thought I had read, as you said, that it wasn't really published. How in the hell they ended up with an AAG copy is beyond me.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 21, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
Rex, what'd you think of UKC? And which side won?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 21, 2017, 07:53:45 PM
Ha! We're still playing...I think I'm losing, though.

If you've played Washington's War, it's like that, but with a lot more chrome on top. It feels like there's much more of a military component than WaWa, but it's tough to Grok what to do based on the victory conditions. It also really suffers from not having a good player's aid to use as a reference. I think it would be a really good game once you get a few plays under your belt. There's a lot of cat-and-mouse with the various forces. Going into battle is always a risk because any brigades you lose are permanently out of the game. If you "disperse" instead of fighting, then you lose the brigades temporarily, but you can recruit them back later. The rub is that you're limited in how much you can recruit.

It's definitely not a typical wargame, but I think it's a pretty interesting situation. And from what I understand, it's a pretty good competitive game, too.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 21, 2017, 09:16:27 PM
Oh, I've played UKC. Thought it was a pretty interesting design, really liked the local notables. It was a bit jerky dealing with recruiting rules and the combat (or lack thereof) was a bit strange, but overall I really liked the design. I haven't played it much though so I can't speak to balance but I think the general consensus was that the royalist were favored in the published edition. There is a variant that makes the NMA a bit easier on the parliamentary player though. Did seem strange that you had to play so specifically for their arrival when they are supposed to help.

With a few tweaks (or maybe just more competent play), I think it could be the best CDG I've played. Two player, at least. I do remember a few of the cards irritating me to no end, but I couldn't say for sure which ones. I just remember holding the economic areas was a lot more difficult than it looked at first.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 22, 2017, 07:34:28 AM
I think it would help if I had any knowledge of the actual history. Having no idea what *should* be happening makes it even harder in a game like that where the victory conditions are less than intuitive. Richard recently made a comment about our game being the strangest game of it he's ever played based on who is currently controlling what. I think that probably stems from me focusing on areas I shouldn't and ignoring areas I should be focusing on.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on February 24, 2017, 01:58:54 PM
Hiiiiiiii

I could manage Rolling Stock but I'd need a few days before starting, if that is ok. Where can I find the rules?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 24, 2017, 02:17:32 PM
I just googled and found a few pdfs.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 24, 2017, 02:18:07 PM
Hiiiiiiii

I could manage Rolling Stock but I'd need a few days before starting, if that is ok. Where can I find the rules?

http://rabenste.in/rollingstock/
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 24, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
Obvo, I am in for rolling stock.   I should probably look at the rules again.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 24, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
I printed them but I've been sick this week so haven't really had the energy to think at all. It looks neat though.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 24, 2017, 03:18:02 PM
I actually did the PnP a while ago.  It's not that bad, as there is no map.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on February 27, 2017, 12:10:06 PM
Have you guys read through the rules enough to get started?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on February 27, 2017, 01:37:05 PM
Have you guys read through the rules enough to get started?

Rules?  I don't need to read no stinking rules!  I'm sure my seat of the pants style will work as well as it always does.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on February 27, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
I'll be ready by Wednesday evening. Changing jobs and trying to wrap up some things to help the poor saps who have worked for me the last few years before I go.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 01, 2017, 06:37:34 AM
I haven't looked at the rules. You lot go ahead without me, I wouldn't mind sitting out for this one. I've commited to reading too many sets of rules over the next week or two and this game isn't one I'm that crazy about.

Let me know what the next game afterwards is though.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 01, 2017, 09:06:50 AM
I'd like to play a training game first, if you guys don't mind. Or at least the short game.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 01, 2017, 06:45:18 PM
I'd like to play a training game first, if you guys don't mind. Or at least the short game.

Fine with me.  I am probably rusty as shit.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 01, 2017, 07:21:37 PM
I created a game at http://www.rollingstock.net/

It's set to a max of 3 players and I stated it's invite only, so hopefully nobody else joins. There didn't seem to be any way to choose options on setup, so once we get the game started, maybe we can figure out the best way to make it a tutorial game.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 01, 2017, 07:24:56 PM
It's game #301, by the way.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 01, 2017, 10:55:17 PM
joined.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 01, 2017, 11:13:51 PM
Just joined.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 02, 2017, 08:05:40 AM
I started the game. Mike is first up. I think that to play the training game in the program, we'll just have stop the game at the appropriate point. In a 3-player game, I believe the # of companies of each color type is the same as a normal game, so everything in a standard setup should be okay so long as we stop at the right point.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 02, 2017, 10:01:05 AM
Works for me... we'll see how it goes. Maybe we won't have a disastrous path. Unfortunately can't access the rolling stock website from work, so my turns will be slower than normal.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 02, 2017, 01:52:03 PM
Ok, now I should look at the rules.

Please hold..
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 02, 2017, 02:03:05 PM
I'm bored reading rules.  Auction started!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 02, 2017, 09:20:10 PM
I don't really know why I bid anything on that. Probably should just buy for face and see what happens.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 03, 2017, 07:54:17 AM
Yeah. I'm not sure these first companies are worth anything over face value. Once the second group of companies comes out and it becomes clear what synergies are possible, then there will probably be some that are worth more than face value, at least to some people.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 03, 2017, 07:56:22 AM
Also, e-mail notifications for the rolling stock cite seem to be working, but mine was sent to my spam folder. If you're not getting them, you might check there.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 03, 2017, 07:57:03 AM
Nobody is getting anything for face value until I run out of money!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 05, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
With Rolling Stock up and running, maybe we should brainstorm about what to play next so we can get l'amour back involved.

Any interest in -

Age of Steam?
another go at 18XX?
go back to somethign we've played before like Chicago Express?

Other suggestions?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 05, 2017, 05:59:49 PM
I'd probably be up for almost anything.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 06, 2017, 12:03:21 PM
So, I can't login to my rolling stock account and when trying to reset password it says invalid code. Not sure what is going on but I'll have to try from home.

I'd be up for Age of Steam or Chicago Express. Also, wouldn't mind playing 1846 or 1889.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 07, 2017, 07:23:13 AM
I'd be up for more CE, B&O or Indonesia in a couple of weeks or so, whenever you finish the current game. I don't know much about Age Of Steam but I'm sure I could be talked in to it. Of the 18xx options, 89 or 62 would be my preferences, if online implementations are available. Although, I'm not sure if these games are at their best online..

Does anyone know if an online implementation of Small City exists?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 07, 2017, 10:54:07 AM
I'd be up for more CE, B&O or Indonesia in a couple of weeks or so, whenever you finish the current game. I don't know much about Age Of Steam but I'm sure I could be talked in to it. Of the 18xx options, 89 or 62 would be my preferences, if online implementations are available. Although, I'm not sure if these games are at their best online..

Does anyone know if an online implementation of Small City exists?

I have been itching to play Small City!  No idea if there is an online version.

Or, isn't there an online version of Antiquity somewhere (yes, on boardgamecore!)?  I think Small City reminds me of this, with the tetris like city planning.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 07, 2017, 12:58:37 PM
I have to agree that 18XX isn't so wonderful online due to the stock rounds. The Indonesia implementation and pace was wonderful. Are you guys interested in any of the other games on that website? Found it pretty easy to use. Also, l'amour, I'm fairly certain you'd like Age of Steam and it has a much better process for Vassal/online play than the 18XX series.

Also, I do still play wargames (even other than ASL!), if you guys ever want to get back to real gaming. ;)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 08, 2017, 03:52:29 AM
Of the slothninja crop, I would happily have a go at Tammany Hall. That site is pretty handy, can do it on the phone and everything!

A wargame would be good too. Not sure what though...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 09, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
I'll play whatever you guys want, but the other games at SlothNinja don't really jump out at me. Tammany Hall might be alright, though.

If we wanted to play a wargame, Successors might be a good choice, as it's four players and not overly complicated. I can't recall off the top of my head how interactive a player's turn is. (I think there might be opportunities for interception/withdrawal...don't think there were any interrupt cards). If we did that, I'd also like to keep a second economic game going, as my experience with wargames PBEM is that they don't play nearly as quickly.

For economic games, Indonesia is the simplest because of the sloth ninja interface. We could also revisit Wabash. If we wanted to tackle Age of Steam, the base map would probably be the best bet. It looks like it plays best at 4 or 5, and 4 should be more forgiving just because we wouldn't be bumping into each other too much. I can't remember if the AoS VASSAL module is available at the website (and if it is, it may just be the base map), but I have the module and access to the various maps that have been made. (There's a closed Yahoo group that basically has no activity but does have the various modules/maps. Because its originally a Winsome game and all the dispute between Boehner and Wallace, I don't think they allow much to be posted to the VASSAL site).

AoS would probably work really well by VASSAL. The game is very AP prone, so PBEM would give everyone time to think about their moves without feeling the time pressure to make a move quickly so you don't have everyone just sitting around waiting on you.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 09, 2017, 02:39:35 PM
Successors would be rad. I agree an economic game too would be good. Happy to go with any of Indonesia, Wabash, Age of Steam. Whatever Trevor.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 10, 2017, 07:57:24 PM
I'd be fine with Age of Steam, Antiquity, or Successors. Never seen an online version of Antiquity. Don't know if you guys are into Space stuff or not but SE4X caught my interest a while back. Never played it though and don't own it.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 10, 2017, 10:50:04 PM
I'll play anything.  I have been in a 4 player SE4x game.  We never finished.  It can take a while PBEM.  I'd be willing to try again.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 10, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
Maybe it would take too late long... I don't want to be in a 4 player PBEM for months, even with you fine fellows. Age of Steam might be a good next game.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 11, 2017, 02:19:31 AM
I'm in the tenth month of Here I Stand with Rex and half of the table just declard war on him haha

I wonder if that happens to him a lot..
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 11, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
I'm in the tenth month of Here I Stand with Rex and half of the table just declard war on him haha

I wonder if that happens to him a lot..

In the aborted PBEM game I played in previously, the Hapsburg player was very experienced (It was Joel, who created the ACTs module). We got to a similar point in the game with the Hapsburg player having a pretty sizable lead. During the dip phase, he offered me (the French player) a key space in exchange for not declaring war. I quickly took him up on it. He was pretty sure he was going to get a bunch of DOWs and thought it worth buying off at least one of them. I thought he was overblowing the threat. Now I can see where he was coming from...

Last turn was probably my chance to win. I had mercator and only good explorers left. Then I drew Magellan. I thought I had circumnavigation in the bag and then I rolled a 2 or 3 and got nothing. Pretty sure that would have given me the game. Oh well.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 11, 2017, 02:45:51 PM
I sunk Drake in Virgin Queen with all the roll bonuses and then lost to France on tie breaker...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 13, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
How about AoS on the Rust Belt map? The module should be on the VASSAL site, but I don't think the Rust Belt map is included. I have that extension and can e-mail it to you guys. Also, let me know if any of you need the rules and I'll scan/send them at the same time as the module.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 13, 2017, 01:54:58 PM
How about AoS on the Rust Belt map? The module should be on the VASSAL site, but I don't think the Rust Belt map is included. I have that extension and can e-mail it to you guys. Also, let me know if any of you need the rules and I'll scan/send them at the same time as the module.

Sounds good.  I have a copy of AoS somewhere in my house, in shrink.  But it might be good if you emailed me the rules.   :)  You have my email, right?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 13, 2017, 03:34:26 PM
I doublechecked earlier, I'm pretty sure I've got everyone's e-mail address now--or at least 3 e-mail addresses I assume are your guys'...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 13, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
Send it all, I don't have a copy of the rules anymore
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 14, 2017, 10:03:35 AM
I need the rules!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 14, 2017, 11:05:09 AM
I'll try to get them out this evening. I think I have everything ready...just need to send it.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 14, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
Should we have dropbox folder for stuff like this?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 14, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
I'm fine with e-mail, dropbox, or this.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 14, 2017, 02:08:55 PM
I think that for playing the game, a new forum thread would be best. If you guys are interested in all the AoS maps that are available through the Yahoo group, I would probably just set up a shared drop box folder and dump them all in it. It might be useful for whenever we need to share larger files in the future (as opposed to just .vlog files).
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 14, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Is the Rust Belt map the standard map?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 14, 2017, 02:54:30 PM
It is, but it's not what's included with the VASSAL module. (France is maybe?). A lot of the maps have been user created, even ones that eventually got published. My guess is that whatever map is included through the module available at the VASSAL site is something that someone not named John Bohrer has control over the rights.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 14, 2017, 03:35:10 PM
I like the forum for coordinating the game, although notifications are really spotty for me.

Dropbox is also good, and good on it's own for sharing files.

Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 14, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
I created a dropbox folder and added you guys based on the e-mail addresses I have. If you don't see an invitation or whatever in your e-mail, let me know.

I added the AoS module and all the various maps that I have from the Yahoo Group (should be all that are available). I also have included a rules scan of the rules, a one page rules summary from BGG, and some random strategy file that I found in the BGG file section.

I think that should be everything to get everyone up to speed on AoS. Once you guys are comfortable with the rules, we can set up another thread here and probably just attach files there (or just use dropbox if you guys prefer).
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 14, 2017, 07:45:31 PM
I created a dropbox folder and added you guys based on the e-mail addresses I have. If you don't see an invitation or whatever in your e-mail, let me know.

I added the AoS module and all the various maps that I have from the Yahoo Group (should be all that are available). I also have included a rules scan of the rules, a one page rules summary from BGG, and some random strategy file that I found in the BGG file section.

I think that should be everything to get everyone up to speed on AoS. Once you guys are comfortable with the rules, we can set up another thread here and probably just attach files there (or just use dropbox if you guys prefer).

I'm in.  Thanks Rex!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 16, 2017, 07:23:45 PM
ETA for everyone ready to play this?

Also, do we want to kick off a game of successors? If so ETA for being ready for it?

I'm ready any time on AoS and probably need the weekend to read the Successors rules.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 16, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
I can start whenever L'amour is ready. Been a long time since I played Successors, but I can start that whenever too. Don't remember it being very complicated. Understand if folks don't want to download more rules right now though.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 16, 2017, 07:42:21 PM
Successors is a pretty standard/basic CDG from what I recall and doesn't have many twists. More a matter of getting a handle on the victory conditions, I think.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 16, 2017, 10:15:36 PM
Are we going to play both at the same time?  I need to go get the Successors rules and maybe look at them.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 17, 2017, 09:10:16 AM
Really up to L'amour. Sounds like he's busy with some other heavier stuff these days. I'm indifferent as to whether we play Successors along with our economic stuffs.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 19, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
Hi! Sorry for my complete shit response time - notifications etc. I can start in a couple of days but I wouldn't mind staggering the games a bit. How is Rolling Stock getting on? Do you want to choose a game to start this week and then start the other after RS?
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 19, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
Also, should I be looking at the 2nd or 3rd ed. Successors module? 3rd I assume...
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 19, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
I think we'll be done with Rolling Stock this week. We could start up AOS next weekend and then Successors the next, if everyone isn't overloaded. I'll be in Seattle the 5th - 10th of April, but other than that I'll be around.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 19, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
That sounds good to me.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 19, 2017, 02:28:37 PM
Yep, sounds good.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 20, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
I am out of town for a long weekend this coming weekend, so I may not be playing much online.  I am definitely fine with AOS first.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 22, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Damn Mike - could have slowed down the punches to the face towards the end at least. Or at least gone to just open hand slaps.  :hide:
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 22, 2017, 06:24:21 PM
Damn Mike - could have slowed down the punches to the face towards the end at least. Or at least gone to just open hand slaps.  :hide:

Ahh, sorry.  It's kind of intoxicating to see how far the money machine can go.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 22, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
I like the graph feature.   :)

(http://i.imgur.com/VAlaowE.jpg)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 22, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
That is pretty damn cool - you can see our failure graphically and in living color! Or colour, I suppose.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 22, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
I don't know what your guys thoughts are with AoS about to get under way and Successors to follow, but if you guys wanted another game of RS now that we've got our feet wet, I'd be game.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 22, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
I'm definitely up for another. Really interesting game and pretty easy online implementation.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 22, 2017, 09:46:04 PM
Sure, I'd do another.  I like the web page as well.

I have a feeling there's going to be some vengeance in the next game..
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 22, 2017, 09:48:46 PM
I'm more interested in exploration vs retaliation. At least until I discover how to retaliate. ;)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 23, 2017, 08:33:37 AM
I created another game...Game #626, waiting for you guys to join. (Ignore Game #625...I created it and accidentally started it and so it's just me.  :-[
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 23, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Looks like we have an interloper!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 23, 2017, 02:38:41 PM
Luckily I can remove people. I should have made it clear in the comment that it was a closed game.
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: Woodall on March 23, 2017, 03:29:31 PM
Joined
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 24, 2017, 06:21:02 AM
woooooah Mike won a game!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: egg_salad on March 24, 2017, 07:51:21 AM
woooooah Mike won a game!

Snarky!  Obvo, it was because you weren't in it..  ;)
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: l'amour on March 24, 2017, 04:23:45 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: 1830 via Rails
Post by: rstites25 on March 26, 2017, 11:31:43 AM
I've created a new thread for the Age of Steam game.

http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=19178.0