https://www.pcgamer.com/conquer-egypt-and-survive-natural-disasters-in-total-war-pharaoh-this-october/
And by Pharaoh they mean Medieval III right?
Right??
I am quite disappointed.
It's exactly like the memes say...the community begging for a new TW Medieval or Rome or Empire game and CA comes up with Pharaoh. A follow up to one of their least successful games, Troy.
Gonna pass on this one unless there is a DLC or expansion that covers Hellenistic Egypt.
Meh.
Ancient warfare of this period isn't even that interesting.
And I've studied and read on Kadesh, and Meggido.
They'll stylize this, add all kinds of weird mythology, they won't do what actual pre classical ancient warfare looked like, which was large formations of conscripted peasants with wicker shields backed by a few nobles in cool stuff.
It's not an interesting era of warfare. I'm sorry but it's not, not if they do it right. Not in the Total War system.
My sentiments exactly...Booorring! Not even any decent Cavalry back then was there? They better come-up with something worth playing here or, I' going to, 'Walk-away like an Egyptian'. :Loser:
A really great idea that I doubt they can pull off well at all.
I would say this game will be very similar to total war troy.
There are loads of nice factions in this period but the further back you go the less you know of how they fight exactly.
Cavalry for instance would be rare in this period. Chariots and infantry are the mainstay.
I almost guarantee they will screw this one up. I just don't care that much about total war games anymore. They have not innovated in an way that furthers actual wargame mechanics in a very long time. Mechanics are too gamey on the stategic level and they keep going for the easy wins here, in the mean time the tactical level is dumbed down and their is no operational level... which is what they really should add.
Graphics are no draw for me in a total war game since they turned it into flag wars either. The battle of trafalgar in empire total war would be flag wars in total war warhammer for example.
Is this one of those mini total war games like troy?
No, it's considered a core historical game, not one of their smaller sagas.
I guess I'll be the different one, I'll certainly buy it and enjoy it for what it is, won't be any surprises for me as I know what to expect from these games but still have enough fun to warrant a purchase.
Until I know different, I dub thee Total War: PHAROAHAMMER! :RockOn:
At the very least, it'll be a great tool for the modders.
To be fair, many of us, myself included, begged and pleaded for what seems like a few decades, for Three Kingdoms -- and then we got it! And I have not even tried to buy it yet.
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 24, 2023, 07:07:56 AMUntil I know different, I dub thee Total War: PHAROAHAMMER! :RockOn:
At the very least, it'll be a great tool for the modders.
To be fair, many of us, myself included, begged and pleaded for what seems like a few decades, for Three Kingdoms -- and then we got it! And I have not even tried to buy it yet.
Is that because like me you have seen a decline rather than innovation and improvement in the tactical wargame and visual elements of total war games?
Honestly, no, I just don't play the system as much as I used to, with too many other shiny things attracting my attention (plus waiting for the inevitable bug patching).
I look for the modders to do innovation and improvement in the tactical and visual (and strategic) elements now anyway. As does CA, evidently!
I certainly would not want to see one of those semi-historical games they have been putting out recently. I'd hate to see a laser beam emitting Ark of the Covenant being marched out onto the battlefield.
However, I would be interested in seeing a game similar to Richard Berg's GMT board game: "Genesis - Empires and Kingdoms of the Ancient Middle East"
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/86177/genesis-empires-and-kingdoms-ancient-middle-east (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/86177/genesis-empires-and-kingdoms-ancient-middle-east)
That was a pretty fun game we played (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=21411.0), until we unlocked all the kit! -- would have run better live, I think. Lots of fiddling for asynch.
Quote from: Destraex on May 24, 2023, 07:39:46 AMQuote from: JasonPratt on May 24, 2023, 07:07:56 AMUntil I know different, I dub thee Total War: PHAROAHAMMER! :RockOn:
At the very least, it'll be a great tool for the modders.
To be fair, many of us, myself included, begged and pleaded for what seems like a few decades, for Three Kingdoms -- and then we got it! And I have not even tried to buy it yet.
Is that because like me you have seen a decline rather than innovation and improvement in the tactical wargame and visual elements of total war games?
I think that is a fair comment. I suspect this will essentially be a reskin of TW: Troy. I hope I am mistaken.
^I don't think you are. I am at a low point now with new TW games. Thank God for modding of the old ones.
Quote from: Gusington on May 24, 2023, 07:56:46 PM^I don't think you are. I am at a low point now with new TW games. Thank God for modding of the old ones.
CA actually just released a set of CPU patches for their older games that have broken all the old mods. Many of those mods will never be updated again like Darthmod.
WHAT?? Well the ones I am currently playing are Attila and Rome 2...
Quote from: Gusington on May 24, 2023, 08:46:58 PMWHAT?? Well the ones I am currently playing are Attila and Rome 2...
They released the patch for those today.
Why do you hurt me so bad?
Well I just fired up Rome 2 TW with the DEI mod and it least loaded and ran. I didn't try to play yet but at least I got that far.
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2056501732682667384/57EFED71308F22AF8E553D2026EEB7DBB4A40E34/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false)
Same with the 1212 AD mod. Hope springs eternal.
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2056501732682689410/608DA797DCCFADBD8AFDEFCEE6DB88B9E33D66F3/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false)
My mod for ETW quit working some time ago. I hope they haven't killed Stainless Steel for MTW2. :tickedoff:
^That...is a real possibility.
Fortunately Rome 2 and Attila should be the least effected by this as they're both still being actively modded.
It's a lot of the older, finished, mods for games like Empire, Napoleon and Shogun 2 that will get hurt most.
Ok I feel less worse now :ninjameditate:
Quote from: SirAndrewD on May 24, 2023, 08:33:18 PMQuote from: Gusington on May 24, 2023, 07:56:46 PM^I don't think you are. I am at a low point now with new TW games. Thank God for modding of the old ones.
CA actually just released a set of CPU patches for their older games that have broken all the old mods. Many of those mods will never be updated again like Darthmod.
I saw a YT video on this subject a few weeks ago. I think it was by the Terminator. This is so sad but if you examine the reason why CA did this it's obvious. In the lust for greed they have destroyed all of the old stuff to force players to buy their new games which are so locked up tightly modders can't make anything awesome anymore.
This is my response to CA and their wicked evil practices:
^Are you serious? They are trying to intentionally snuff out the TW modders? They probably owe a huge percentage of their sales to the modding of the older games :grumpy:
I agree. Ever since Medi 2 TW, modders have made every game better, even playable in some cases. Still, I never thought the old games/mods would last forever. At least, so far, Stainless Steel is still alive and kicking. :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: Gusington on May 25, 2023, 08:02:21 PM^Are you serious? They are trying to intentionally snuff out the TW modders? They probably owe a huge percentage of their sales to the modding of the older games :grumpy:
I don't think that's accurate.
I think that what CA did was braindead and had no consideration for the modding community. They did actually answer a problem with game breaking crashes on modern machines, but they also didn't consider old mods that have been giving their titles life and selling.
CA understands the value of modders, hence when they hired Jack Lusted. But they're not seeing the damage this new patch is doing even if its helping longevity on old titles.
ETW and NappyTW have both been getting some ongoing love by modders in recent years; they haven't been abandoned. Not sure about Shogun2 in recent years.
How could they not see the damage while still being invested in the older titles with their fingers on the pulse of the modding community? :magnify:
"Brain Dead" for sure. Not even zombies from Warhammer would touch theirs. I think the modern corporate culture centers more on what they think their customers should have than what they want to have. :Loser:
I am finding it increasingly hard to get excited about new Total War titles. MTW II and Rome-1 (both modded) keep popping to mind as my favorites.
Would they have been better off with Medieval TW 3 ?
Ancient Egypt is very compelling, if done right.
Is it possible they'll get it right?
^...maybe?
Which pains me to say.
But at the end of the day I am just not that interested in the era.
Perhaps the game, if it's awesome, can make me interested.
OK so this game is being done by the guys that did total war troy. So I am thinking that the main total war team is still working on a possible larger game. Does this mean we will get a larger historical game? Probably not, I think they have sidelined historical and will follow the money trail. Not unreasonable but hardly a boon to society and the original focus of the game, which was historical battles in the most realistic sense then possible. I am imagining meeting after meeting by corporate nutjobs that like quiet rooms brain storming stupid strategic map mechanics that would be "cool" while that tiny voice of reason in the corner, the historical advisor is ignored about a chariot mechanic needing to allow riders to jump off and fight and be able to ride through other chariot formations. The need for chariots to be infiltrated by both friendly and unfriendly light infantry while fighting other chariots. You know the battlefield mechanics nobody has done before and everybody would learn from. The kind of thing that would peak peoples interest in actual history.
Pre-orders are up on Steam, woo!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1937780/Total_War_PHARAOH/
Dynastic Edition, US$91.46. Includes the (first?) three DLC Faction packs and the Campaign pack. I suspect this means only Egypt will have a story campaign at first, although other factions can have sandbox campaigns.
Base game is $60. In that context, an extra $31 for three Faction packs and extra storyline campaigns isn't a bad deal. AAA games cost a lot of development cash.
On the other hand, past experience VERY STRONGLY suggests anyone buying in now will be paying a release premium to be a beta tester for God-only-knows how long, on a highly buggy initial release, for which you'll get some cosmetic bling for your commanders.
Quote from: JasonPratt on May 28, 2023, 12:10:24 PMPre-orders are up on Steam, woo!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1937780/Total_War_PHARAOH/
Dynastic Edition, US$91.46. Includes the (first?) three DLC Faction packs and the Campaign pack. I suspect this means only Egypt will have a story campaign at first, although other factions can have sandbox campaigns.
Base game is $60. In that context, an extra $31 for three Faction packs and extra storyline campaigns isn't a bad deal. AAA games cost a lot of development cash.
On the other hand, past experience VERY STRONGLY suggests anyone buying in now will be paying a release premium to be a beta tester for God-only-knows how long, on a highly buggy initial release, for which you'll get some cosmetic bling for your commanders.
Been able to pre order since the original announcement. Guess just not as negative as everyone else on all the perceived bugs and issues. What game doesn't nowadays? I appreciate everyone not liking the material but let's see what it turns out to be before the pitchforks come out.
The pitchforks are only out from me because of the choice of setting.
My pitchforks are the pitchforks of disinterest.
^That is sad and funny at the same time. Also directly linked to my pitchforks.
"You can have my Pitchfork when you pry it loose from my COLD, DEAD FINGERS". :grumpy:
I mentioned the pre-order because Steam told me the pre-order had started.
I for one am looking forward to using pitchforks in pitched battles! :ThumbsUp:
(I honestly like the Bronze Age Collapse time period. I'm leery of buying immediately simply due to prior release-bug issues.)
I saw a preview of this posted by someone who was able to play a handful of battles. It was described as more deliberate and slower pace than past titles, along with the goal of streamlining the micromanagement of battles. If this turns out to be true, this is exactly what I hoped would happen in these games as I find it near impossible to control all troops around the battlefield and battles were short lived. With that said, I suspect this has been said before about their past titles so seeing is believing. Part of the reason it may seem that way in this title is the heavy focus on infantry, without any calvary which typically speeds things along. They do have chariots but the person indicated there isn't a lot of them so they don't dominate the battlefield quickly.
Personally I wish they would add a third mode to battle resolution beyond auto resolve and controlling the armies. Basically provide a third option that would allow you not to control the individual units but instead throughout the battle make over arching strategy choices that have meaningful impact to the outcome without all the micromanagement. Sort of how you give orders in Command Ops and/or Scourge of War series with dispatches. This would be my utopia but it will never happen.
Anyway, still on my radar for sure, especially if the slower pace and less micromanagement ends up happening in a meaningful way.
Interesting concept Grim. Kinda reminds me of a WEGO setup where you get to pause every so often. But in your case you don't want it to take more than a few minutes.
I watched a video of the combat and some things I noticed were;
- The LOD black ant issue still seems to exist where you zoom out a bit and troops look more like stick shadows than men. Probably due to the fact that effects are used to draw on top of model polygons instead of polygons making up all of the models these days. Thus you zoom out... the LOD (level of detail) and thus the polygon count (triangles that make up 3D models) drops leaving the effects to try to cover what is essentially a stick figure. Basically the games troops do NOT look sharp even at moderate zoom out levels. It looks like centurion defender of rome at moderate zoom levels:
- Units are all homogenous in weapon type if not model. Every unit is armed with the same weaponry like they are all regular and well equipped. I would have liked by now, especially because total war games tout this individual melee thing that this would have been more advanced by now.
- Two headed axes.... hmmm I think this was actually more common back in the bronze age, something interesting to research. Certainly not common in any other era or considered ceremonial. I know of at least a few legitimate double handed axes in the bronze period however. I guess I am just saying that the devs are perhaps making some interesting choices to keep unit variety interesting.
- Troops still move too fast imho. Certainly faster than early total war games.
- Men seem to be weightless and move too fast. I am betting the animations are simplified as you zoom out as well just watching zoomed out men sliding around like they are on wheels.
- Also when zoomed in the combat does not seem impactful. Weapons seem to be slashing through enemy models and doing nothing to knock them back of bounce of them, or even contact with them at all to do damage. Older games were not as much like this.
Other than that it looks good. But these days I just cannot bring myself to buy total war games when the focus seems to be that the battles development has stagnated and regressed while the strategic layer is where the devs seem to love to play. Basically I think that now the battles exist to give context to the strategic map rather than the other way around.
Oh and when models are not racing around they look like they are moving in slow motion. By that I mean the animation is drawn to show a man running for instance, but then that animation is slowed down so much that it looks un-natural. Because gravity should have dropped the soldier models leg to the ground but it hangs in the air for an eternity.
Men also fling their weapons around like they are weightless. Watch how fast spearmen for instance with one hand change from holding a spear upright while walking to spinning it around or moving it to the horizontal. It's instant and looks like the spear must be made of plastic. The physics in modern total war games are just very strange. It's like the devs are just making weapons and gluing them to the soldiers hands and the soldiers have no idea they are carrying anything, so they walk around waving and running without noticing they have a big heavy weapon in hand.
Centurion: Defender of Rome was such a great game, one of my favorites and so ahead of its time.
Some siege warfare, seems interesting although chaotic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye72q6PakgM&t=1339s
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on June 04, 2023, 10:16:47 AMSome siege warfare, seems interesting although chaotic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye72q6PakgM&t=1339s
No worse than your average total war. i think I've bought most of them. This one has a fun end-of the Bronze Age angle since it looks like the "Sea Peoples" are in the game.
I suspect I'll get it sooner or later.
I'm not gonna demand that some Sea People units be Goliath-style giants. :cool:
But I wouldn't complain about a fantasy option either in the vein of Troy and 3K.
Quote from: JasonPratt on June 11, 2023, 12:13:57 PMI'm not gonna demand that some Sea People units be Goliath-style giants. :cool:
But I wouldn't complain about a fantasy option either in the vein of Troy and 3K.
Historically though I believe they were actually taller\bigger than the local populations. So it would be nice if they did include this as part of the art style and then build the physics of longer reach in.
True, but I haven't played TW seriously in so long I don't know whether the code allows for physical reach differences as a factor aside from special unit 'species' so to speak.
Stronger units should at least be better able to carry better armor and longer-reaching heavier weapons, though (in classic Goliath style) -- which seems well within the code capabilities.
(And then get stunned by shorter quicker less-armored slingers. {g} )
More comementary from the Terminator on the CA demonstration video:
Kind of interesting that you can choose to be a conqueror or even choose other things like being a builder and trader. Also appears the campaign allows for many customizations to play how you want. I know this likely will turn into like all the past titles and not a lot of people liking it, but I pre ordered anyway:). Out October 11th but they are having some kind of early play end of September for people who pre order.
https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-pharaoh-will-let-you-emulate-the-great-deeds-of-ancient-kings/
What dynastic era in Egyptian history is this game covering?
New Kingdom, I think...circa 1100 BC and the coming of the 'sea peoples.'
I imagine you start with this guy then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II
A bunch of updates have been released in the last few days. I am not particularly interested in this era so I have not been paying much attention.
If it was 'Total War: Mamluk' they would have my money already.
I know a lot of people seem disappointed with the era because limited unit types, but thinking I might actually like that to keep things manageable as other games in the series I often find it difficult to manage all the different types. Who knows, probably will become shelf ware for me but going to give it a try:)
Post impressions, of course :tophat:
I love the era but the problem is with the limited information they have about combat in the era. This makes it easy for CA to do their usual trick of turning the game into some sort of role playing fantasy extraviganza. I will certainly NOT be pre-ording this game. I have not paid for any total war game since Attila and the first warhammer. I have not enjoyed any total war game since Shogun2. I expect CA will pay more attention to stats, social elements and flag symbology instead of the battle simulations and the ability to watch the freakin men fight those battles. It was supposed to get better at it's core mechanic not worse.
Where are my:
* Better siege mechanics and physical representation of more fortification types. We should be fighting inside castles and walls by now.
* Where is my more organised and better army operational mechanics.
* Where is my supply system that can be physically intercepted
* Where is my physics model for fighting. Instead we got glorified sprites that slide all over the place and turn into 6 pixels at a short distance. Because the models change so much over such a short distance it just hurts my eyes. Trying to focus on something that changes so much just becomes an exercise of constantly re-aqcuiring your target. Thus the flag simulator
* Where are my more realistic battlefield and strategic communications systems?
* Where are my better more complex and canonicle command and control systems for the battlefield?
* Where are my improvements (not streamlining!!!) of the interface.
* Where are my visual upgrade and unit preferences. My ability to change my troops to adapt. I used to love the marius reforms in rome1 because of the professional changes that came with it and the look changes.. the lorica segmentata vs the earlier lorica hemata and more.
* Where are the unique styles of fighting for each faction and the differences in command styles?
* Where are my slow down options rather than having to use a mod? You know so the animations don't look wierd?
I mean nothing has improved since total war rome 1 really. The game has been in caretaker mode since Empire Total War as far as I am concerned.
I just have no interest in playing flag stat wars. The game is aimed at some office worker in marketing who loves to watch soap operas. It's a different beast focused on the wrong things. It's been corrupted so to speak and there is nothing to replace it.
Well, this office worker (although don't watch soap operas) intends to try and enjoy the game for whatever it turns out to be
As an office worker in communications ( :Loser: ) I agree with a lot of what you said Destraex.
There's a reason why I mod the hell out of the Attila, Rome 2 and Medieval 2 games.
I meant no disrespect to office workers in general. I meant the type of office worker that is in perpetually unproductive meetings that are really just paid to waste time and play office politics. The entitled office workers that want ice cream and smarties as well as bean bags or they get edgy. The office worker that is so far up the ivory tower they have no idea what the world is like outside. Am I just digging a deeper hole for myself? :lipsrsealed:
I am trying to say I am an old salt that wants a different game to the emerging markets these guys are aiming at. As a grog I was happy when total war looked to be heading off to being the ultimate battlefield simulator. Now even I am annoyed by headless chickens on speed simulator. You guys used to say total war needed slow down mods, which I used as well but the game was not unplayable without for me. But now I just can't keep up unless I use the flags.
'ice cream and smarties' :grin:
I give Creative Assembly credit for going in a more rare historical direction, but that is heavily reduced by not listening to their audience clamor for a new Empire or Medieval TW :/
Quote from: Gusington on September 22, 2023, 09:43:59 AM'ice cream and smarties' :grin:
I give Creative Assembly credit for going in a more rare historical direction, but that is heavily reduced by not listening to their audience clamor for a new Empire or Medieval TW :/
But I wonder how much of their hardcore historical audience they are really concerned with? They have attempted to open up their games to generate a lot of money which I suspect come from a lot more people than their hardcore fans that give them feedback. Although I liked Empire and Medieval, not sure just repeating some of their old games is the answer either, especially if nothing revolutionary is put into it.
Who knows, I have come to accept what they offer and then comes down to choice whether people buy:) I doubt we see any deeper stuff added anytime soon,
^Yes, new systems in the games would help too, instead of the general paring down that has been happening in the historical titles :(
I one day hope to see a game as well produced, beautiful and engaging as Shogun 2...still the best in the entire series, IMHO.
Quote from: Destraex on September 22, 2023, 09:27:23 AM<snip> Am I just digging a deeper hole for myself? :lipsrsealed: <snip>
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You always need a bit of creative fat and passion on projects like total war. You need somebody with passion and an end goal that you can share with your audience. Not including a "guard" command on release of rome2 was that cardinal sin that shocked the hell out of me when it happened. It gave me intimate knowledge of the direction the game was heading. They actually wanted fights to end up being furballs with masses of hollywood individual fights. They did not want you to be able to keep your lines disciplined and organised.
Then the perfectly amazing graphics they had in rome2 got hard coded into the ground. You can't see colors from even a moderate distance anymore. The glory of ancient armies that we love to see on tabletop battlegrounds is immediately lost. When you play a tabletop wargame. You get the spectacular visuals as well as the mechanics that try to be as realistic as possible. Total War had both. At rome2 it lost the spectacular tabletop visuals. You cannot see your men without zooming in and losing track of the battle anymore.
At the same time total war started going backwards or at the very least becoming stagnant and uncaring about simulating the battlefield in a realistic way. Guard mode showed this intent. Instead of no guard mode I wanted to see germanic light cavalry with light troops holding onto their horses and hitching a ride. I wanted to see chariots offload light infantry and remount them. I wanted to see the latest historical research incorporated into how hoplites fought. Instead we got flag wars and no progress at all. The re-introduction of guard mode in rome2 still has roman units once engaged not keeping formation as I remember it.
This is the best I could do recently when I loaded it up. You might say whats the problem... you can see color. To me it's just not sharp and the animations are dumbed down at this range as well. It looks like a giant blur against the terrain when moving. I think the older games now also look this way, BUT we were looking at them in 640x480 or some similarly tiny resolution, so it's like watching a film shot for a tiny TUBE TV on a huge flatscreen TV. It's going to look dated.
(https://i.imgur.com/gdOsitc.png)
I'm old enough now (with less and whiter hair now) to remember the fans wanting Total Warhammer so badly they modded it for years; and every time a new release announcement was alerted we'd wonder will it FINALLY be Three Kingdoms?
Well, we have those now, and for WH:TW it's super-well produced. They did give the fans what the fans asked for, although I feel pretty safe guessing that the Warhammer line has been a lot more profitable than 3K (since there are now three connected Warhammer games plus oodles of DLC, but only one 3K game and some DLC faction setups.)
Fans really wanted Viking Invasions remade and/or Dark Ages Total War; they gave us Britannia and Attila.
Fans wanted Troy Total War, and we got that, too (in the experimental vein of Britannia).
They even gave the fans a remastered RTW1, although that's admittedly a sop to the modding community, which has gone to town on it.
At this point the only big 'unproduced' property fans have been wanted enough to see modders really working hard to fill the gap, is Lord of the Rings. With WW1 a quixotic pipe dream.
The quality is admittedly questionable, moreso in some cases than others. But they've been giving fans new things that were wanted instead of remaking Medieval again. (Mainly because the modding community has been filling in the Medieval 3 gap.) Must be working out for them profitwise, too, or they'd have folded up shop by now!
As to functionality and quality of life improvements, I agree they ought to be doing better. Modders do help with that, but they can only go so far due to hard-coded limits. Then again, CA leans hard on the support of its modding community.
Jason are their any mods you know of that fix rome2's draw distance issues and slow down troops to walking pace as well as fixing the aweful formation wrap around tendencies? It's ironic that those wrap around tendencies would be fine for barbarian troops that are undisciplined, but with Romans I want to see them stay in line.
If that were fixed then I would want to move on to putting Rome1's strat map mechanics back in as well as Napoleon total wars regional farms and other facilities like mills being outside the city walls and therefore raidable individually.
Putting supply lines in would be great as well.
Who asked for Troy: TW, Pratt?
WH is clearly their moneymaker but CA 'giving the fans what they asked for,' outside of WH, was 8+ years ago. They have been tone deaf since then.
And I say that as a fan boi of CA since the original Shogun back in the dim past of The Year 2000.
Quote from: Gusington on September 23, 2023, 05:54:47 PMWho asked for Troy: TW,
No one I heard. And the "demand" for Three Kingdoms was a lot less than I think actually existed.
The only game I've heard historical TW fans begging for, and screaming for even since the release of Atilla is Medieval 3.
Quote from: Gusington on September 23, 2023, 05:54:47 PMWho asked for Troy: TW, Pratt?
WH is clearly their moneymaker but CA 'giving the fans what they asked for,' outside of WH, was 8+ years ago. They have been tone deaf since then.
And I say that as a fan boi of CA since the original Shogun back in the dim past of The Year 2000.
For one I was actually glad to see CA do troy, three kingdoms and now pharoah. I loved that these historical periods were or are getting a go. That is part of the reason I am so bummed that I just can't stand playing their games now.
However I can say that I would never have asked for
Troy. Not enough info on soldiers and tactics etc of the time. Not much historical to put in. Too much guess work. A mythical epic to follow as events and battles sources. We got giants.
Three Kingdoms was a great move as their is a lot of evidence for some things. A mythical epic to follow as an events and battle source. We got heroes who could slay whole armies.
Pharoah - Scant evidence for most things but a heck of a lot more evidence than their would be for Troy.
My question for those in the know would be, are the historical games we got during the warhammer total war reign just transposed warhammer games with similar mechanics rather than real attempts at historical games?
^I did like Three Kingdoms myself. But no one asked for it :tophat:
If only it was like this, smooth animation and you can make the detail out at range... 45 seconds
Man, Mount & Blade mods keep looking better all the time! :Nerd:
Not going to do any kind of detail review, nor compare to all the past versions or features people want, just some feedback from a gamer who enjoys the series for what it is.
I didn't play the recent releases extensively so these things could have been there, but just some things I like so far. When you start a campaign, you have a ton of options to customize the experience, which is awesome for a gamer like me who isn't great at these things. It allows me to get benefits where I want them so I can feel like I am capable of competing with the AI. I can get more income, troops, etc., really like what they did here. Within the game, I really like the UI as well since all the information is given to you and easily to see it right away. On top of that, they have sort of a turn checklist where before you hit the end of turn button, it lists all the things you should have considered doing before ending your turn. In the past, I always felt I wass missing things each turn, now its a nice checklist to go through before I hit the button. Graphics wise, totally looks fine to me both on the campaign map and within the battles, really no complaints.
As for battles, really like them as well as they are much slower paced then what I recalled from the past. I am sure part of this is because of the time period where it was probably more of a grind, but I like the fact the battles aren't over in a minute. No idea if the AI is better or not simply because I was never good at them anyways, but so far I have lost more battles than I have won, including even when I had superior forces.
So far only a couple of negatives for me. First, my computer has hard crashed multiple times while playing, simply shuts down and restarts entire computer. Seems like others having the issue as well and certainly this could be a big problem if they don't resolve. Lastly, I have multiple monitors setup and edge scrolling on the side of my second monitor is wonky, some time it works, others it doesn't. Not a game killer but certainly wish it was better.
Not going to try and convince anyone to buy it or not but I have been pleasantly surprised and have enjoyed it. Also seems to be more positive posts than I thought it would get in various forums, but of course your milage may very.
What is the time period and what factions other than Egyptian are playable?
Is early access only for the weekend or do you have access up through release?
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AMWhat is the time period and what factions other than Egyptian are playable?
Is early access only for the weekend or do you have access up through release?
Just until tomorrow at 8am.
Full release 10/11.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on October 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AMWhat is the time period and what factions other than Egyptian are playable?
Is early access only for the weekend or do you have access up through release?
The game is during the The New Kingdom (1550–1077 BCE) covering the 18th, 19th and the 20th dynasties of Egypt. You can play as one of 4 Egyptian rulers, 2 Canaanite rulers or 2 Hittite rulers.
I'm trying it out because I'm very interested in the setting and there are too few games giving the era it's due. I don't think based on admittedly limited play that it's all that different from Rome 2 or 3 Kingdoms. I've gone from a day 1 buy to undecided.
Maybe wait for a sale.
From Grim's description above it does sound similar to Three Kingdoms in some ways, which would be a good thing.
Quote from: Gusington on October 01, 2023, 03:03:11 PMFrom Grim's description above it does sound similar to Three Kingdoms in some ways, which would be a good thing.
I thought the same thing while playing it. But I already own Three Kingdoms....
Maybe I was hoping for too much. I really dislike how they've structured the "tech tree".
It's confusing. Who am I kidding? I'm an Egyptian history fan boy and I'll never be able to resist.
At least for me, I didn't get the same vibe as Rome 2, at least what I recalled. Didn't think Rome 2 had all the customizations, UI didn't seem as good with presenting info, and the battles I recall were pretty fast pace. Not saying Pharaoh is better or worse, just saying I didn't get the same vibe but as with anything, everyone will have their own opinions. I'll have to reinstall Rome 2 just to see if my memory is any good.
How about when compared to Three Kingdoms?
Quote from: Gusington on October 01, 2023, 03:16:35 PMHow about when compared to Three Kingdoms?
Didn't play it much so can't compare, nor Troy or Warhammer. Rome 2 was the last game before this that I put in any serious time.
Heh, I like that it's effectively the sequel to Pre-Dynastic Egypt and Egypt: Old Kingdom (which I've been playing through again in anticipation of the new released.)
...well, come to think of it, there should be another dynastic set between E:OK and Ph:TW, but still. I'm interested in the setting, so!
^There's also a DLC for Old World coming out Wednesday covering Egypt in the same time period.
Quote from: JasonPratt on October 02, 2023, 03:32:32 PMHeh, I like that it's effectively the sequel to Pre-Dynastic Egypt and Egypt: Old Kingdom (which I've been playing through again in anticipation of the new released.)
...well, come to think of it, there should be another dynastic set between E:OK and Ph:TW, but still. I'm interested in the setting, so!
Are you talking about a mod? For which game?
Quote from: gregb41352 on October 02, 2023, 09:09:01 PMQuote from: JasonPratt on October 02, 2023, 03:32:32 PMHeh, I like that it's effectively the sequel to Pre-Dynastic Egypt and Egypt: Old Kingdom (which I've been playing through again in anticipation of the new released.)
...well, come to think of it, there should be another dynastic set between E:OK and Ph:TW, but still. I'm interested in the setting, so!
Are you talking about a mod? For which game?
Those look like two actual games on steam...
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Clarus%20Victoria
Are you talking about a mod? For which game?
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https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Clarus%20Victoria
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How did I miss those little gems?
They are nicely addictive but very much puzzle games with something like tabletop mechanics (for example Euro-style worker placement.)
The game system has been going since being a free flash game a decade ago. The dev actually posted here long ago asking a question about what we'd prefer in presentation on Pre-dyna (which at the time was called something more Civ-ish.)
Meanwhile Total Pha-war is out!
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...um, may wait a little while for bugs to be squashed. I never yet got Troy so I won't be in the 'dumbass expensive reskin of Troy' camp.
(Not that I'm against Total Troy-war, but I had other things to be doing at the time. I'm sure I'll get that someday, for any modding sake if nothing else!)
^You read my mind. Unfortunately, not looking too promising. Only seven reviews up in Steam as I type this and they are all negative. Oh and this:
I watched that last night. It actually LOOKS quite good. Maybe if they can squash the bugs, then add some great DLC, the modders can make a real game out of this. :grin:
While some reviews seem to like it......whether the game is good or bad, so much pre release negativity is going to make it hard for the game to really have a chance in most people's viewpoint....
https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-pharaoh-review/
I was once a hardcore Total War fanboy...but Creative Assembly lost me somewhere after Three Kingdoms.
For me, the reviews and samey gameplay of Pharaoh are not 'sparking joy' as Marie Kondo would say.
Then there is the price....
There are just too many great games in my queue at this time.
I will wait for the sale.
Hmm PC Gamer liked it a lot...
Quote from: Gusington on October 11, 2023, 02:56:28 PMHmm PC Gamer liked it a lot...
I think if you didn't have to pay for it and lived in a world where this was the only TW game I can see why you'd think it was a decent game - taking it solely as a new game in its own right it doesn't look too bad
^Hahaha well put :Dreamer:
Wow did this thing flop hard.
After 5pm on a weekday and 850 people in game, about as many as are in Thrones of Britannia right now and less than half that are in Rome II.
I saw a few videos on it to make sure I was correct in a no buy and it seems I was. Only three factions, only a small slice of Egypt and half the levant. A battle AI that's somehow even worse than some of their older releases.
I wonder if this will send a message to CA to actually, you know, make a full Total War game if you're going to charge $60 and perhaps just give the audience what they've been begging for, Medieval 3 or Empire 2.
I don't think that's the message they're going to get though. I wouldn't be surprised if CA decides that this is just an indication that no one wants historical titles any longer and just abandon them altogether.
^Well maybe that last point would be for the best then and other developers will come up with something better.
I say that as a CA fan boi since the original Shogun game.
Maybe the new Total War is the games now being done by Darth Vader, the American Revolution one. Darth's mods made TW games so much better that maybe he'll take over the genre. Fine by me.
I love ancient Egypt, but the Total War games after Shogun II have not been my thing. I'm not saying that they're bad games, but the way provinces are now handled has taken a lot of enjoyment out of the system for me. Being able to only build one type of building per province just isn't fun for me. I do like the idea of having to ensure you have construction materials, but I wish it was handled differently.
Shogun 2 was an absolute masterpiece. It has been downhill for CA since then :buck2:
Quote from: Gusington on October 18, 2023, 08:24:15 AMShogun 2 was an absolute masterpiece. It has been downhill for CA since then :buck2:
I think that was my last one - been on board since the first shogun and never even had to read a review for the next purchase - they were all instabuys - right upto shogun 2 and the Warhammer split - since then it's been a joke
Have watched a couple of videos on this disaster and the player numbers and CA basically asked for this - ignored fans too long - needs an engine rewrite and a lot of good faith even if M3 or E2 is there next promised one
^Funny you mention all of that...
I'm actually curious as to whether or not CA will survive.
After Sega reportedly lost $100mil plus in the Hyenas disaster and now this, I can't imagine CA's stock has ever been lower.
Maybe the best thing to hope for is that Sega puts CA on the market and a new owner will infuse some fresh cash and push for a new Total War engine.
Of course that's assuming anyone out there considers CA worth buying at this point. I imagine they've at least still got some legs on the financial success of Three Kingdoms and the Warhammer IP and brand recognition alone.
^Their is a lot of chatter about CA being put up for sale.
Wow! Did not know that. :shocked:
^Yes, specifically to a potential buyer less focused on simplifying the games and maybe more interested in getting back to more historical titles. A buyer with more of a plan on using that sweet, sweet Warhammer cash that CA earned and not losing 100M and untold labor hours on Hyenas.
Quote from: Gusington on October 18, 2023, 10:48:05 AM^Yes, specifically to a potential buyer less focused on simplifying the games and maybe more interested in getting back to more historical titles. A buyer with more of a plan on using that sweet, sweet Warhammer cash that CA earned and not losing 100M and untold labor hours on Hyenas.
There must be a few dollars in the gus pension pot we can cash in and buy CA with
Quote from: undercovergeek on October 18, 2023, 04:30:39 PMThere must be a few dollars in the gus pension pot we can cash in and buy CA with
Fine. I'll take the hit. Sorry Gus, you don't get your Christmas Bugatti.
:undecided:
Let me check my pension wallet, it's with The Wife. Be right back.
I'll not be left out of this endeavor. The Half-Full Piggy Bank is yours. :Hug:
AND MY CHAINSAW!
{old joke from the old wargamers forum}
(Man, where did Ghosty ever get to?)
^He created Starfield. By himself. With absolutely no help.
Quote from: Gusington on October 18, 2023, 10:43:49 AM^Their is a lot of chatter about CA being put up for sale.
:ROFL:
How much you wanna bet it's because the shareholders realize this one trick pony is all washed up.
^That for sure, but probably moreso the $100M bath CA and SEGA took from Hyenas development and cancellation.
But there is a solution: value fan feedback more.
Quote from: Gusington on October 19, 2023, 02:48:38 PM...
But there is a solution: value fan feedback more.
As the Fonz would say, "correctomundo!" :ThumbsUp:
In related news, I' still selling those boxes of Postholes if anyone's interested. :ThumbsUp:
I don't know if anyone follows Volound's channel, but as he's been doing a lot of fact based reporting on the collapse of Hyenas and getting CA employees leaking to him after their layoffs, he's been getting a endless string of DMCA copywrite strikes and defamation threats from CA.
This is a really bad look from them, especially since all he's doing is reporting on what now former CA employees are telling him that we already knew, and that's most importantly Pharaoh was never supposed to be a main release, it was a DLC for Troy that they boosted to a full game price with no content.
He's had those threats quashed but I'm not sure CA is in any shape to survive for the future.
So here's to Manor Lords and Ultimate General American Revolution.
:beermug[1]:
I hate that theres such mismanagment of a game series that I've been playing since Rome 1.
I don't care for the newere iterations, but I certianly didn't want it to go down like this.
I also hate that there's not really an alternative to the Total War series. Some competition at this point would be nice.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 08, 2023, 01:12:59 PMI don't know if anyone follows Volound's channel, but as he's been doing a lot of fact based reporting on the collapse of Hyenas and getting CA employees leaking to him after their layoffs, he's been getting a endless string of DMCA copywrite strikes and defamation threats from CA.
This is a really bad look from them, especially since all he's doing is reporting on what now former CA employees are telling him that we already knew, and that's most importantly Pharaoh was never supposed to be a main release, it was a DLC for Troy that they boosted to a full game price with no content.
He's had those threats quashed but I'm not sure CA is in any shape to survive for the future.
So here's to Manor Lords and Ultimate General American Revolution.
I do - he's had a rough ride and some of what the ex devs are saying is unbelievable
Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 08, 2023, 01:12:59 PMI don't know if anyone follows Volound's channel, but as he's been doing a lot of fact based reporting on the collapse of Hyenas and getting CA employees leaking to him after their layoffs, he's been getting a endless string of DMCA copywrite strikes and defamation threats from CA.
This is a really bad look from them, especially since all he's doing is reporting on what now former CA employees are telling him that we already knew, and that's most importantly Pharaoh was never supposed to be a main release, it was a DLC for Troy that they boosted to a full game price with no content.
He's had those threats quashed but I'm not sure CA is in any shape to survive for the future.
So here's to Manor Lords and Ultimate General American Revolution.
Yep. I have seen Volound's stuff. He is a little overly negative for my taste but has some really good points.
His conversations with ex dev staff have been very enlightening but at the same time must be taken with a little caution due to their status as ex employees.
Any links? Total War is beloved by me since Shogun, but I have not seen any of what the ex devs have said.
The last TW that I really enjoy is Attila. I find myself playing the older games a lot.
Right now I am getting smacked around in an Arthurian: Total War campaign based on the Rome: TW Definitive Edition.
Like others posted, it is sad that everything is crumbling for CA.
But for us as grogs...there is Manor Lords coming next April 😎
Quote from: Gusington on November 09, 2023, 07:10:02 AMAny links? Total War is beloved by me since Shogun, but I have not seen any of what the ex devs have said.
The last TW that I really enjoy is Attila. I find myself playing the older games a lot.
Right now I am getting smacked around in an Arthurian: Total War campaign based on the Rome: TW Definitive Edition.
Like others posted, it is sad that everything is crumbling for CA.
But for us as grogs...there is Manor Lords coming next April 😎
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LX4Qeis1W3U&pp=ygUHdm9sb3VuZA%3D%3D
One of many especially since the pharoah disaster
As mentioned he can get a bit juvenille and overly negative about the bad press CA is receiving
Always plays shogun 2 in the background which is what he and the ex devs see as the pinnacle of the games
Thanks 'Geek. I will watch that later. And I agree...Shogun 2 was CA's best work.
Yeah, I'd agree Volound's a bit overly negative. I don't quite blame him.
I'm just appalled that CA would take the route of trying to DMCA and threaten him to remove his material rather than just try to answer it with better communication and maybe a bit of contrition for how they've misread their fan base.
Almost everything he's said about the leaks have been confirmed by other sources and even then, he's just reporting, not inventing.
It sounds like his own lawyers have already handled it well but it's still an awful way for CA to read the room and respond.
The way I do business is when we screw up a particular product or rollout and give our customers a bad experience is to take the hit and double down on doing it right the next time, not double down on telling the customer they were the wrong ones and they need to shut up and like the crap they're being shoveled.
Quote from: SirAndrewD on November 09, 2023, 09:42:11 AMThe way I do business is when we screw up a particular product or rollout and give our customers a bad experience is to take the hit and double down on doing it right the next time, not double down on telling the customer they were the wrong ones and they need to shut up and like the crap they're being shoveled.
This. 100% agree with your philosophy.
Never heard of Volound before but I liked that video 'geek shared. Thank you!
Quote from: W8taminute on November 09, 2023, 10:06:15 AMQuote from: SirAndrewD on November 09, 2023, 09:42:11 AMThe way I do business is when we screw up a particular product or rollout and give our customers a bad experience is to take the hit and double down on doing it right the next time, not double down on telling the customer they were the wrong ones and they need to shut up and like the crap they're being shoveled.
This. 100% agree with your philosophy.
Never heard of Volound before but I liked that video 'geek shared. Thank you!
you're welcome
I still think there was a lot of love for CA before pharoah happened - but as the ex devs say - we've all been screwed by them with dlcs and saga and releases
I still long for empire 2 and mtw3 but now don't know if CA can be trusted to do it
The sad thing I read is that the original team who were there for shogun and m1 are now non existent - the people that made it great are all gone - I know it's a very long time ago in terms of a devs cv but the old team seem to have left no legacy of great game making and it is solely about the money and what can be screwed out of the loyal players
There is not one single person left at CA from the original Shogun or Medieval days? Damn.
If that's the case there is no hope for CA. If you can't keep quality talent as a company then the replacements you bring in will always be clowns. You want quality you gotta pay the money for it.
In my life I have seen so many good and very talented employees leave their jobs because their employers just don't get how valuable they are by paying them fair market value.
Quote from: Gusington on November 09, 2023, 07:10:02 AMAny links? Total War is beloved by me since Shogun, but I have not seen any of what the ex devs have said.
The last TW that I really enjoy is Attila. I find myself playing the older games a lot.
Right now I am getting smacked around in an Arthurian: Total War campaign based on the Rome: TW Definitive Edition.
Like others posted, it is sad that everything is crumbling for CA.
But for us as grogs...there is Manor Lords coming next April 😎
Well...Pharaoh total war is a mess, but kind of intriguing in an how about a biopsy or something kind of way.
I'm not even going to go into what is obviously absurdly bad, but I'll note a few fun things and its only 39.99 on steam and there's a lot of cool things that are well...never going to really be seen much.
For one thing, you can be a Hittite:
$14 dollars on c d k e y s - no hesitation. I see the price is still the same today and it's been 20+ days ago, I have yet to play it as I'm working my way through other games, but it's in my library with 20 other un-played games :(
Haha 'Biopsy: Total War' :ThumbsUp:
Sea Peoples!
Termie isn't impressed tho...
Quote from: JasonPratt on January 18, 2024, 10:51:01 PMSea Peoples!
Yeah, this is yet another end of the line for Total War. I don't see how you can mess up the End of the Bronze Age as a topic but this is a textbook case of turning interesting possibilities into pure crap and then piling on some more pure crap just to make sure everybody knows you did it on purpose.
Quote from: JasonPratt on January 18, 2024, 10:51:01 PMSea Peoples!
Termie isn't impressed tho...
Thanks Mr Pratt. Interesting stuff. I am with Meng on this. I am super interested in the history of this period. But just could not bring myself to scatch that itch in a modern total war game. Because I know a total war game will just be a skin job with a horrible tactical mode.
Not total war, but as you can see. But I can make my units out without too much trouble.
Why? Because the unit detail does not get shredded as I zoom out like it does in total war.
(https://i.imgur.com/3jEt7N4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uzgvEsx.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/3MndK5U.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hsR93u5.png)
Well, maybe Termie's opinion will improve after the Sea Peoples... um......
...arrive. :HideEyes:
I wonder if this is the end of the road for Pharaoh...I selfishly hope so. If it is I hope CA can recover and successfully turn the page. It has been a rough time for them and fans.
Quote from: Gusington on January 27, 2024, 10:13:17 AMI wonder if this is the end of the road for Pharaoh...I selfishly hope so. If it is I hope CA can recover and successfully turn the page. It has been a rough time for them and fans.
Well, I had given up on them until the Shogun II came along. Then I went back. Rome II was great. And then they went downhill pretty fast.
Not sure why we would wish for the end especially for people who bought so I hope it still lives:)
Because there are not too many of you, and the Pharaoh era for CA has been an unmitigated disaster.
Quote from: Gusington on January 28, 2024, 12:25:34 AMBecause there are not too many of you, and the Pharaoh era for CA has been an unmitigated disaster.
Not the era, the implimentation. The implimentation appeals to non-grogs. More role play dungeons and dragons kinda people. Bring on scourge of war remastered. I am dying for some army action beyond the tabletop and beyond the old tired total war strategy map.
Quote from: Gusington on January 28, 2024, 12:25:34 AMBecause there are not too many of you, and the Pharaoh era for CA has been an unmitigated disaster.
Gotcha.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on January 27, 2024, 12:20:47 PMNot sure why we would wish for the end especially for people who bought so I hope it still lives:)
I think for games that actually make something interesting and fun out of moderately intricate historical situations like the end of the Bronze Age or the Fall of the Western Empire or the Nine-years war or what have you, one has to give up on going along with the ways that big games try to court the mindless dudebros that make up a big chunk of the gaming population, dude. I mean bro, there's no way to make a game about the Hittites or the Mitani that these dudes can even stomach for a few minutes, bro. Dude, even something like Hell Let Loose seems to suffer from
a weird dose of dudebro usage.
i think one's historical options are limited to smaller, less heavily funded games or board games or the day when building intricate games gets easy enough for me to manage in my old age -- which could be fairly soon if I survive for a bit, bro.
Isn't one of the big good deals of these games that the modders can usually fix this up to what the community wants?
I mean, in a perfect world, CA would just make the game everyone wants. But, from a glass half full perspective, at least they provide the heavy lifting so that the modders can make the proper game.
Am I making sense?
CA's modability varies from title to title. For older titles like Medieval 2, Shogun 2, and Attila, there is en embarrassment of modding riches. Enough historical gaming to last several lifetimes. Modding is arguably the lifeblood of CA and is a major force keeping the community alive.
I don't wish ill on CA at all. The past year or even longer has been piss poor for them from a PR perspective, a community perspective, and a financial perspective. I want to see them learn from this and not be permanently damaged like so many other companies that grew into ungovernable monsters and lost touch with their customers and their roots.
I unfortunately purchased Pharaoh not long after it came out and it left me very cold (didn't seem like a bad game, just nothing I haven't played a gazillion times in the other TW games). I might try this new patch at some point but for now sure cannot really recommend it to anyone but the biggest fans of the era depicted, unless you are new to the TW format. It seemed a thoroughly "meh" game.
But also, I have extremely little patience for the TW fan community or at least its vocal quarters. I remember when the hate on Rome 2 was just intense just so it now be held up as one of the great releases CA should strive to replicate. And more generally every time I visited the TWCenter forums (haven't been for a while to be fair) there'd be people hating on whatever was the latest game in the series, yet seemingly playing nothing else. So "influencers" like Terminator, handle them with a pinch of salt.
Quote from: Tamas on January 28, 2024, 01:03:59 PMI unfortunately purchased Pharaoh not long after it came out and it left me very cold (didn't seem like a bad game, just nothing I haven't played a gazillion times in the other TW games). I might try this new patch at some point but for now sure cannot really recommend it to anyone but the biggest fans of the era depicted, unless you are new to the TW format. It seemed a thoroughly "meh" game.
But also, I have extremely little patience for the TW fan community or at least its vocal quarters. I remember when the hate on Rome 2 was just intense just so it now be held up as one of the great releases CA should strive to replicate. And more generally every time I visited the TWCenter forums (haven't been for a while to be fair) there'd be people hating on whatever was the latest game in the series, yet seemingly playing nothing else. So "influencers" like Terminator, handle them with a pinch of salt.
I agree, the hate for Rome 2 was very odd and definitely wrecked the credibility of its haters.
On the other hand the problems with Pharoah are so twisted as to suggest some kind of internal struggle or just plain giving up in the middle of assembling it.
^Like I said above - this era for CA is by far the worst for the company for its entire existence.
Quote from: Gusington on February 01, 2024, 06:19:00 AM^Like I said above - this era for CA is by far the worst for the company for its entire existence.
I feel like you can say that about a lot of developers. Bungie, Bethesda are not what they once were. Blizzard is now a warmed over corpse of customer exploitation. Paradox has its issues and CDPR is letting the bean counters control / make too many decisions.
'Warmed over corpse' :Dreamer: