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Ok got in on a little event at around 10.30am sat morning (AU EST +10). Only about 8 men per side on an 80 person server. But wow this game is great fun. Why? Because actual re-enactors who take it seriously are on. Drilling us to the front. What's more. Because it's not really that popular yet, the troops actually properly follow commands. The game is also great in that it has the actual animations for the correct moves. For instance their is a button to shoulder arms. Then to go to double quick which preserves stamina, you first have to change shoulder with Shift-x (rather than x which is shoulder) then press C to switch to double quick march. Then of course we right, left and oblique faced. We tried firing by lines as well, which means the person to the right fires first and as his musket\rifle butt hits the ground to reload you then fire and so on until the whole line has fired. I wish holdfast was more like this. I can tell you also that these american civil war weapons are deadly accurate. We also fixed bayonets and charged using drill commands from the re-enactors. Once across I was told to cover a man while he reloaded. Really good stuff and great for learning how these guys operate without having to go over to the US. Over all I love this game so far. It did however crash me to desktop half way through a battle. But quick to load back up again and apart from that, as you can see. The graphics are many times better than holdfast. The mechanics more realistic and the reload animation much more detailed just for starters.
Combat seems to revolve around capturing objectives.
I actually wish holdfast was like this as I do like the napoleonic period better.
The game is still missing artillery and cavalry from what I can see and apparently there has been no update to the game for some time. The servers are only populated on the weekend from what I am told
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Graphics look great, love the civil war, but multiplayer only makes it a no go.....too bad
Grim it's pretty slow to play. The fun I get out of it is the people talking (holding down N for voice) and marching us around the place.
What exactly about this periods very slow mechanics would disadvantage you in multiplayer? Although I must admit when we got separated after a bayonet charge across a bridge, things became pretty intense. A few of us got surrounded. I actually feel really out of place in this game with my Australian accent. Perhaps I should try putting on an American one? :P
Quote from: Destraex on December 08, 2017, 07:12:56 PM
Grim it's pretty slow to play. The fun I get out of it is the people talking (holding down N for voice) and marching us around the place.
What exactly about this periods very slow mechanics would disadvantage you in multiplayer?
Just don't like playing multiplayer games.....prefer to play when I want and not have to worry about how other players feel about my lack of skill. Much prefer a good single player campaign type game.
Yes, I agree with your sentiment. When you want to relax and play a game. Multiplayer can have the opposite effect.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on December 08, 2017, 07:03:16 PM
Graphics look great, love the civil war, but multiplayer only makes it a no go.....too bad
+1
Looks sparse. So it's mainly skirmishing?
No idea until I check for their regular game times and see the real numbers.
Logged on just then. For me it's around midday on a Sunday.
A battle with a fair few people in it. I was getting 30fps. This game has all the atmosphere of a great picnic in the country side. It's beautiful.
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Bit over exposed sometimes. Hard to see the enemy way down their with all the smoke and sunlight.
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Some good ole boys.
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Crap, I logged onto steam and discovered that I can't purchase the game. It's not available yet. Any idea if I can get invited into Alpha testing?
If you'e willing to re-mortgage your house, you can get immediate access to the alpha (https://warofrights.com/Crowdfunding#Captain).
Yes it's pretty expensive to get into the early alpha at the moment. But still not ridiculously so I would not say. Depends whether you think $70 is worth it or will play havoc with your mortgage repayments or coffee/beer/smoke plans for the week. I don't drink alcohol, coffee or smoke. Although the only one I am really against is smoking. So that covers my gaming.
Here is Hinkel (war of rights dev) responding to me on the holdast forums about war of rights when I was asking about patch releases.
"Hello!
I do not understand your worries to be honest. We released 85 !!! patches within 1 year of the closed alpha.
Just take a look at the patch log thread:
http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?1888-War-of-Rights-Patch-Notes
We released nearly 1 update each week.
Right now, we are in a complete engine update, which needs a decent amount of time. We always post progress on facebook, showing the new things, maps and other awesome things of the upcoming patch :)
The Cryengine is a very hard and different engine, compared to the more "easy" Unity engine of Holdfast. There is a huge free market for scripts, assets and such, which makes Unity Games more easy to program.
We have a team of 10 guys, most of them working full time on War of Rights. Our 2 Programmers working on full time on the new patch, so you don't need to worry. Engine Upgrades need weeks of coding sadly.
Also: Holdfast will stay more arcade, they always said that. It won't be a simulation like War of Rights. They aim for a different kind of gamers.
Cheers,
Hinkel"
I notice only the political flag of the Confederacy depicted in your screenshots. Please tell me the more ubiquitous (and infamous) battle flag is not censored from the game.
I could not tell you sorry. The developers are actually Norwegian believe it or not. Given what has happened recently I would not be surprised if history is censored yet again.
Tell me. Which side would you guys join a regiment in this game in? Confederacy or Union.
I have an Australian friend who says he would prefer Union but will not balk at the confeds if I decide they are more fun to play.
I imagine you guys have opinions on who the best troops/generals and most fun to play would be.
The union seem to be the "we won eventually through sheer industrial might and numbers. But that may be over simplifying things.
The confeds seem to be more skilled and like vietnam winning most battles but losing the war eventually as they were starved of resources etc. The rebel yell and flag are intriguing to me. but the union do seem to have "right" and "might" on their side.
Only commenting on what you've said, Des. Sounds like you are having fun, which is great. But a game like this really needs a map full of players, if my experience in M&B:N is any example.
8v8 with muzzle loaders....yawn.
That is true. But to be honest. I have only done initial recon for this game.
Even with a few people though it seems fun. With four of us we successfully bayonet charged over a bridge for instance. Carrying all comers. Then got surrounded as we over reached.
The people are mature but can be over bearing. Which is better than holdfasts population of immature rugrats who can barely string coherent sentences together.
They seem very dedicated.
Seems like MMOs suffer from either one of two problems. They either have a large community of immature simpletons, or a very small community of dedicated, hardcore cadre. Either problem results in an underwhelming and disappointing experience. Its why I typically avoid these kind of games at all costs, no matter how interested I am in the source material, or how good the game looks.
If you want to see some Civil War single player action done surprisingly well...check out an older title called Darkest of Days. It involves time travel to both past and future times, but I found the Civil War sequences to be surprisingly enjoyable.
Quote from: IronX on December 12, 2017, 12:35:51 PM
If you'e willing to re-mortgage your house, you can get immediate access to the alpha (https://warofrights.com/Crowdfunding#Captain).
Thanks for the link IronX!
I've been tempted to pick it up myself, but the cost for participating in the alpha is off-putting. I'll keep it on my radar as it does look good.
Has anybody got any preference as to which side to join and how to choose between them?
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Has anybody got any preference as to which side to join and how to choose between them?
That is a hard question to answer without knowing how the game handles historical differences in troops that fought on each side. Are differences cosmetic, only, or are things like morale, leadership and quality of weaponry modeled? I'd be surprised if such things were actually accounted for in terms of game mechanics. Also, does the game focus on any particular time period of the war? This could be relevant because as the war dragged on and the confederacy lost men and territory, its ability to wage the war degraded.
In general, Confederate leadership was regarded as superior, particularly early in the war. In addition, Confederate troops are generally thought of to have been superior marksmen and more hardy on the march and out in the wilderness. To the contrary, Federal forces generally had superior equipment, weapons and uniforms. The discrepancy was most notable in artillery, as the South had few ordnance factories and foundries with no access to steel/iron and the union blockade increasingly prevented the Confederacy from procuring other raw and manufactured resources and war materials.
Again, I would be surprised if these factors that impacted the war are modeled in the game.
Thank you for the summary. I was also after peoples sentiments on the two sides.
As a reward I will give you something better than a cookie, a pictorial answer to your previous question. :P
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^very good! Thanks.
Are the Shelby Foote The Civil War Volumes worth getting on kindle? Or are their too many illustrations?
I have two books in a set on civil war uniforms
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I have a Vital Guide called "Battles of the American Civil War". This book only details in summary what the author considered major battles.
I own Gods & Generals and Gettysburg on blu ray.
I have just picked back up Bernard Cornwell's "Battle Flag" and ordered the last book "the bloody ground".
But as you can see I am missing a really authorative history of the civil war that really lends itself to me knowing what I am talking about. Is Shelby Foote's The Civil War: A Narrative set of three books what I am looking for?
It is very old. Before I was born in fact. 1958 is when the first one was published. 100 years or so after the event.
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Games are funny these days. I generally want to play wargames without listening to people who believe that swearing is cool and so use it as much as possible.
But there are some who claim it is realistic in a wargame and should be in as much as possible.
http://www.warofrightsforum.com/showthread.php?4843-Swearing-and-General-Rudeness-filter-Bad-experience-today
Quote from: Destraex on December 15, 2017, 08:23:25 AM
Are the Shelby Foote The Civil War Volumes worth getting on kindle? Or are their too many illustrations?
They are worth getting on Kindle. That's where I read the trilogy. Just be aware that it's a narrative, so in my biased Yankee opinion, he waxes a bit too poetically on the Southern generals. You're going to get great detail on what kind of man President Jefferson Davis was, for instance, while downplaying the fact that he was a traitor to his country. That being said, it's an entertaining read.
Personally, I prefer James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom", and all of the ACW books by Stephen W. Sears.
I got the first one and have read the first few pages. Very entertaining so far. But I would have liked for the book to start a little earlier so I could have the conditions and causes being imposed on the south explained in detail.
If you're going to start reading about the Civil War, McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom is a great start. Then jump into Foote's trilogy. Foote takes a long time to get through and goes into a lot of detail. I've been working on it for about a year and am just now finally finishing book 3. It's good, but not a quick read at all.
Quote from: Toonces on December 18, 2017, 02:31:57 PM
If you're going to start reading about the Civil War, McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom is a great start.
+1
Totally agree with Toonces, plus all the Bruce Catton books are worth reading as well, especially the 'Army of the Potomac' trilogy.
Some good stuff. Will take me a while. I don't read as much as I used to.
War of Rights is now testing 100-150 man servers. Amazing considering how much detail is in this game in comparison to holdfast.
The video below shows some of that detail:
That is impressive - as long as the game can attract that many players. Nonetheless, they've made some remarkable progress.
Outstanding video. Thanks for posting.
if only there was a single player component to this game, would have been an instance purchase:(