If you see a game you like, why should that person give that game a second chance?
Steel division, not a fan of multiplayer, have a strong dislike of continuous campaign unit removal between levels.
Just about anything by AGEOD.
Steel Armor Blaze of War. That just makes me cry.
Steel Division for sure.
Quote from: jomni on April 18, 2018, 12:27:37 AM
Steel Division for sure.
What didn't you like about it? I've never played it.
Quote from: Pzrjager on April 18, 2018, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: jomni on April 18, 2018, 12:27:37 AM
Steel Division for sure.
What didn't you like about it? I've never played it.
I can never win! Even against the AI.
Steel Division for me as well.
Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich. Horrible interface, terrible GUI, and runs like crap.
Crusader Kings II. I want to like it but it simply doesn't click with me.
CMANO. I still Fire it up occasionally but it feels a bit too much like work trying to set up missions, patrols, fuelling, etc. It also needs a "sensors for dummies" section in the database to explain what certain a things are, what they do, how well they do it, etc.
Too many i am afraid. I still plan to give them all another chance though. I also blame it on the number of games i have... :uglystupid2:
- Uncommon Valour
- All games by Paradox
- All games by AGEOD
- many others.
Quote from: jomni on April 18, 2018, 12:36:40 AM
Quote from: Pzrjager on April 18, 2018, 12:35:39 AM
Quote from: jomni on April 18, 2018, 12:27:37 AM
Steel Division for sure.
What didn't you like about it? I've never played it.
I can never win! Even against the AI.
We kick ass in steel division game vs medium AI usually. But it is stressful if you lose particular individual units in the first phase. Where in red dragon it was all about squads of units and you could lose a few without it losing you the battle. If you ever want a game of steel division vs the AI Jomni. Hit me up on steam.
AGEOD WWI
Quote from: Anguille on April 18, 2018, 04:46:47 AM
Too many i am afraid. I still plan to give them all another chance though. I also blame it on the number of games i have... :uglystupid2:
- Uncommon Valour
- All games by Paradox
- All games by AGEOD
- many others.
Is that avatar from space above and beyond (also noticed "above and beyond" message below it which seems to fit)?
Quote from: Destraex on April 18, 2018, 05:39:16 AM
Quote from: Anguille on April 18, 2018, 04:46:47 AM
Too many i am afraid. I still plan to give them all another chance though. I also blame it on the number of games i have... :uglystupid2:
- Uncommon Valour
- All games by Paradox
- All games by AGEOD
- many others.
Is that avatar from space above and beyond (also noticed "above and beyond" message below it which seems to fit)?
Yes it is... ;)
Europa Universalis...any of them
Any of the JTS games.... I love the idea of them but something about the execution just doesn't do it for me. And I've tried many times and even with Cyrano and panzerde who both love the games.
Tried the squad level stuff with advance of the Reich, operational stuff with Sicily and Normandy games.
Quote from: Barthheart on April 18, 2018, 06:50:30 AM
Any of the JTS games.... I love the idea of them but something about the execution just doesn't do it for me. And I've tried many times and even with Cyrano and panzerde who both love the games.
Tried the squad level stuff with advance of the Reich, operational stuff with Sicily and Normandy games.
I feel the same way with Pander Campaigns and the Squad ones But I enjoyed the middle ground of the Pander Battles. I also enjoyed the one civil war game I have.
Played the heck out of East Front, West Front back in the day.
Crusader Kings II: Felt like every one of my monarchs was just reliving the same life over and over again.
Steel Division: All these great graphics, but you have to zoom so far out in order to actually see what's going on, that you cant really see them. Wish it was more simulation, then real time strategy game.
Combat Mission Black Sea: The line of sight mechanics are just maddening. An M1 tank sometimes can't see a T-80 sitting in the open 500 meters away. Sometimes you have troops hidden in a building that are spotted from 1000 meters away by another infantry squad.
Hearts of Iron complete series: Terrible AI. Snowball effect where the more territory you take, the more powerful you become, allowing countries like Belgium and Hungary to take over the world. The game has no idea how to replicate the Pacific Theater, and the supply constraints that led to the island hopping strategy. A game of Axis and Allies does a better job of portraying World War II.
Entire Men of War series: Need to do too much micromanagement. Not sure if this is a wargame, or just a problem solver where you have to do everything the designer wants you too, in order to win the scenario.
Most RTS games. There have been a few exceptions, but RTS is not a style I'm very interested in.
Good grief. I own way too many that I wonder why I keep buying them so I'll start with the first three.
War in the Pacific AE - When I learned there was no production for the allies I lost interest.
Distant Worlds - So MANY alarms blaring and yet I've bought every expansion.
Operational Art of War III - Great game, great support from dev. Just bought IV with my anniversary discount.
I do wonder if I lack the intellect for games like these or if I just get bored. < SQUIRREL!! >
Quote from: Tuna on April 18, 2018, 07:44:16 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on April 18, 2018, 06:50:30 AM
Any of the JTS games.... I love the idea of them but something about the execution just doesn't do it for me. And I've tried many times and even with Cyrano and panzerde who both love the games.
Tried the squad level stuff with advance of the Reich, operational stuff with Sicily and Normandy games.
I feel the same way with Pander Campaigns and the Squad ones But I enjoyed the middle ground of the Pander Battles. I also enjoyed the one civil war game I have.
Played the heck out of East Front, West Front back in the day.
Darn I hate Autospell on the phone!!!
1] All shooters or other RTS games - they are not relaxing.
2] All flight sims - Lack the spaceial awareness to fly. Weird, because I play two dimensional things well (pool, pinball) and can shoot moving targets.
3] Crusader Kings, Combat Mission 2nd generation stuff.
Quote from: airboy on April 18, 2018, 08:34:07 AM
1] All shooters or other RTS games - they are not relaxing.
2] All flight sims - Lack the spaceial awareness to fly. Weird, because I play two dimensional things well (pool, pinball) and can shoot moving targets.
3] Crusader Kings, Combat Mission 2nd generation stuff.
I can't get into Paradox titles in general. I think politicking and dealing with economics isn't my thing. What are you playing on PC these days?
Quote from: Gusington on April 18, 2018, 06:31:52 AM
Europa Universalis...any of them
Same here, EU4, but also CK2...loved watching gameplay videos but actually playing the games just didn't click. Hard to say why?
I'm put off from RTSes in general as I:
1. Don't seem to have the required "twitch," skills to react accordingly to AI attacks.
2. Am convinced that the AI is cheating as I get hit by units that I sure as hell haven't had a chance to develop yet (okay, I'm grumbling at my lack of ability here, but still...)
Not hot on 4x games either as I find the whole "research and upgrade," thing to be a chore.
I don't do RTS either, I'm a 'turn-based' whore. Despite that, I gave-up on the original TOAW as being too complex for my tastes--a rarity. Also Europa Universalis 1 & 2 as being too boring for me, and of course War in the Pacific because I have only one lifetime here on this Earth to play it.
Quote from: Pzrjager on April 18, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
Quote from: airboy on April 18, 2018, 08:34:07 AM
1] All shooters or other RTS games - they are not relaxing.
2] All flight sims - Lack the spaceial awareness to fly. Weird, because I play two dimensional things well (pool, pinball) and can shoot moving targets.
3] Crusader Kings, Combat Mission 2nd generation stuff.
I can't get into Paradox titles in general. I think politicking and dealing with economics isn't my thing. What are you playing on PC these days?
I just got my new Falcon yesterday. I'm trying to finish up two RPGs - Underrail & Pillars of Eternity. I'm also playing PanzerKreig.
How many of you who dislike RTS have tried Field of Glory 2? Quick pace but turn based, almost feels like an RTS but for grownups. It has moistened, nay...saturated, my gaming loins.
Quote from: bboyer66 on April 18, 2018, 07:50:26 AM
Hearts of Iron complete series: Terrible AI. Snowball effect where the more territory you take, the more powerful you become, allowing countries like Belgium and Hungary to take over the world.
Or Luxembourg.
Or Haiti.
Or Bhutan.
The AAR of Haiti conquering the world is both hilarious, and sad for both Paradox and the Hearts of Iron engine.
A little surprised at how often Steel Division is showing up in this thread. I find SD a lot easier to manage than the other Eugen Wargame games.
CMANO for sure. Would love to be able to comprehend this. But I don't even know where to begin.
Scourge of War -- whether Am. Civ. War or Napoleon, just bounce hard off this whenever I try it.
ARMA 2 & 3 -- ditto
Europa Universalis -- of all Pdox games, the one that just does not click with me.
The Seven Years War -- buried beneath the atrocious UI and obscure mechanics, I have the feeling there's a really special game here -- but I just don't have the energy to figure it out.
Quote from: sandman2575 on April 18, 2018, 04:12:49 PM
A little surprised at how often Steel Division is showing up in this thread. I find SD a lot easier to manage than the other Eugen Wargame games.
It's slower but somehow you need to be more precise in your tactics to beat the AI.
I loved the Wargame series.
QuoteCMANO. I still Fire it up occasionally but it feels a bit too much like work trying to set up missions, patrols, fuelling, etc. It also needs a "sensors for dummies" section in the database to explain what certain a things are, what they do, how well they do it, etc.
I can understand this. When I first got the game I was a bit overwhelmed by the UI. However there is good news; there is very little micromanagement needed, and most missions, even complex ones can be set up pretty quickly. Unfortunately there aren't many good guides out there that I've found, but the game itself is pretty easy to figure out once you know a few things.
For example, setting up a combat air patrol is very easy. Set up a box of reference points, which you can do from the mission menu at the top. You simply click and drag the area you want the box to contain. Then just set up an AAW (anti-air warfare) mission and assign some ready planes to it. That's essentially all you have to do. There is more nuance you can get into, such as restricting certain weapon types, but thats the basics of it. Most other mission types can be set up in a similar fashion.
I would recommend playing around as a very strong faction against a weak one to learn the mechanics before challenging yourself.
As far as the equipment goes, every piece of weaponry, aircraft, ship, radar, etc are all hyperlinked to the database. The database page will give you a good idea of the capabilities of whatever it is you've clicked on. For example, if you have no idea what an AN/ANQ-54 is (I made this up off the top of my head) you can click the hyperlink to its database page. There is a lot of information on the database, but generally the important stuff is made obvious. It will tell you what type of sensor it is (lets say its a ground search radar) and it will tell you its range. For an aircraft, all of its weapons and sensors along with their capabilities are listed on their database page. You can always pause the game, so checking the database isn't nearly as much of a hassle as it may sound.
Once you get used to the basic controls, and start to understand some of the equipment you're using/are up against, things get a lot easier. View it as a bit of a study sim and you'll start to pick it up pretty quickly.
Hi. For CMANO, do you need to plot missile evasion? I have a feeling I need to manually beam the planes and not rely on some PK.
Let's see,
AGEOD games, love the historical flavor, look of the units and the map but the gameplay just doesn't click.
Steel Armor Blaze of War, it's a game I should like. I've installed, modded, got frustrated and uninstalled more than a couple of times.
Paradox games, not totally given up on them. The one I really want to click is CK2. I stupidly bit on HOI4...I'll never learn.
Some games look like fun when other people play them and I think I too can ascend to that state of gaming nirvana, I'm usually wrong.
I see lots of people here have a hard time getting into Paradox titles too. I can play Gary Grigsby's War in the East no problem but Paradox games just don't click. For me I think it's the pace of the gameplay... comes off as too slow to me.
EU works for me and I can easily pick it up and play a short game even after a period of not playing.
Quote from: Pzrjager on April 19, 2018, 12:11:29 AM
For me I think it's the pace of the gameplay... comes off as too slow to me.
There definitely is a lot of downtime with Pdox games. Very easy to find yourself thinking, "OK, what do I do now?" while you wait, wait, wait for something to be built or some research to be completed or some province to be assimilated. For me, Europa Universalis plays the 'slowest' of the Pdox titles and I think that's a lot of the reason I find it hard to enjoy.
For me it's been the Grigsby games.
I know part of the issue is I need to just sit down and put the time in but the UI is not the easiest to work with.
I've had better luck with the DC games I've played (Case Blue and Barbarossa)
AgeOD also. I just haven't "gotten them" yet but I typically love the style and the time periods they explore.
^+1 to the Grigsby games. I've tried the WWII and the Civil War but can't seem to get very far with either one.
Quote from: jomni on April 18, 2018, 08:00:37 PM
Hi. For CMANO, do you need to plot missile evasion? I have a feeling I need to manually beam the planes and not rely on some PK.
No, all units (planes, ships and subs) will automatically evade if engaged. Their unit status will change to "engaged defensive" to show this. You can turn off automatic evasion, which can sometimes be useful for ships, but generally speaking the default setting is the one to go with.
+2 to Grigsby. I've played a few PBEMs against some friends, and though I've gotten a lot better at it, I still can't seem to fully grasp all the mechanics at play. For example, I have no idea what represents my supply lines beyond the railroad gauge system. I'm sure if I took the time to sit down and read the manual I would solve most of my problems, but I just don't have the time to devote to that at the moment.
Quote from: mbar on April 18, 2018, 08:05:15 AM
Good grief. I own way too many that I wonder why I keep buying them so I'll start with the first three.
War in the Pacific AE - When I learned there was no production for the allies I lost interest.
Distant Worlds - So MANY alarms blaring and yet I've bought every expansion.
Operational Art of War III - Great game, great support from dev. Just bought IV with my anniversary discount.
I do wonder if I lack the intellect for games like these or if I just get bored. < SQUIRREL!! >
Well that saved me typing the same thing myself :)
Although with WITP I'd generally just fire it up scroll round the map for a bit (with a nice map mod loaded) and then sort of shrug and move on to something else.
The first Combat Mission engine. Played the first demo bought Eastern front. I could see the value there but the long-running blue bar between turns and the larger soldier sprites moved like robots, it just didn't grab me. Also coming from CC and playing live opponents online was quite the rush. didn't help. I have a greater appreciation for the first CM as I see it for what it was - a good (wego) 3D wargame 1 minute at a time.
Quote from: jomni on April 19, 2018, 12:16:59 AM
EU works for me and I can easily pick it up and play a short game even after a period of not playing.
I think I've given up on CK2 and EUIV. In the end the "graphics" slowly eroded my interest. Not really sure why.
bought all of the Graviteam library when it was on sale with every intention of making it my next big game.
the interface and mechanics therein just annoyed me.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on April 20, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
bought all of the Graviteam library when it was on sale with every intention of making it my next big game.
the interface and mechanics therein just annoyed me.
Could be worse.
Could be SABOW.
Yep, Achtung Panzer by Graviteam...looked great just could not get around the user interface
I know whats there and I know it' good.
but it's similar to being the Jew invited to the pig roast.
Quote from: Hofstadter on April 21, 2018, 12:54:57 AM
Could be worse.
Could be SABOW.
I give up. What's SABOW? ???
Quote from: Greybriar on April 22, 2018, 12:10:28 AM
Quote from: Hofstadter on April 21, 2018, 12:54:57 AM
Could be worse.
Could be SABOW.
I give up. What's SABOW? ???
Steel Armor Blaze Of War.
Its a tank simulator by the same people that made Graviteam OS and MF. It has a similar strategic element and UI, but they tried to add total tank control.
It doesn't know what it wants to be, and suffers horribly from it.
Quote from: Hofstadter on April 22, 2018, 01:51:21 AM
Quote from: Greybriar on April 22, 2018, 12:10:28 AM
Quote from: Hofstadter on April 21, 2018, 12:54:57 AM
Could be worse.
Could be SABOW.
I give up. What's SABOW? ???
Steel Armor Blaze Of War.
Its a tank simulator by the same people that made Graviteam OS and MF. It has a similar strategic element and UI, but they tried to add total tank control.
It doesn't know what it wants to be, and suffers horribly from it.
I actually liked the game as a Tank Sim with an operational layer.
Combat Mission - Game engine ruins it for me. We're taking about modern weapons with ranges that can easily reach out to 5km, but the game can't handle large maps withiut running like crap. Therefore, every battle is in a shoebox - no maneuver, and the second you leave the assembly area (or not!) you take casualties.
I'm not going to even start about lack of COOP.
Oooo...that reminds me that I've still got that Graviteam bundle BundleStars sitting out there!
Sweet!