SoaSE-2----
Who has it?
Is it any good?
How is it different from SoaSE-1?
Past thread on it, some posts near the end where some folks had impressions so might be worth checking out.
https://www.grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=26554.msg716745#msg716745
Solops I have it and it's pretty good. It's sins1 with better graphics and a few changes like orbiting planets and moons. Another cool feature is
Thanks to you both. I will hope for a sale soon!
I thought I remembered a thread on SoaSE2. I wonder why it did not turn up in the search I did before starting this one?
That sale will be a while as the game is not even out of early access yet. It'still missing one side iirc.
Quote from: Destraex on April 23, 2024, 11:17:47 PMThat sale will be a while as the game is not even out of early access yet. It'still missing one side iirc.
Ah! Sadness :(
Well, I have 30+ games I've never played and two or three I cannot quit. I am sure I can keep busy until the game is done!
I looked into this game a bit more. Although work does seem to be ongoing, the devs don't seem really too intent on it. Anyone keep up with it any better?
The devs are pretty dedicated and interact with the community daily. I have had a fair amount of interaction with them.
They are definitely hard at work on sins2 from what I have seen. The game is already very polished and just needs a final third faction to complete it as far as I know. That faction is though due out later this year. It is tending to take them 6 months to a year per faction.
It should be noted that the developers do interact on their forums but interact more apparently on their discord server.
I am betting that once this last faction (the advent) are released the game will almost be ready to release.
I have not kept up with sins2 since the Vasari came out some months ago though.
I should also note that the developers do seem unlike homeworld3 to be a lot of the same sins1 ironclad games developers. I recognise a lot of the names. Blair Fraser and his brother Iirc, Yarlen etc. I think the hey might be a Canadian studio?
From what I have seen the devs are very well grounded and not much phases them or rattles them. They just carry on at their own pace and always seem to be polite and professional. A pretty impressive team if you ask me.
Thanks! I do not do the Discord thing, so anything there passes me by. The regular forums did not seem really active.
All that is good news. I am hovering over the "buy" button.
Yeah as you can see below from the example I posted, even on the weekend the devs seem very active. Blair Fraser is one of the original ironclad devs from sins1.
Most game devs use discord these days as it is favoured by the younger crowd. Personally I think forums are much better for structural reasons. Discord is very hard to find anything on usually. Even when the devs make special areas for feedback and try to make things more forum like.
Blair Fraser — Today at 10:22 AM
No, it should not have broken saves.
Blair Fraser — Today at 10:23 AM
Saves should be fine.
Send me one of your save games and I'll verify, otherwise fix it.
it should zip up nice so it can be sent to me here on discord via DM.
Blair Fraser — Today at 10:25 AM
same as with rpare, send one to me as a zip via DM. this should not be happening.
rpare001 — Today at 10:27 AM
sure one moment, thank you!
Blair Fraser — Today at 10:27 AM
(to be clear, send me one of the ones you can't load, not a new one that works :P)
Logion567 — Today at 10:54 AM
lol, doing a 8 player PVE thing this time as Exodus, other players are 1 Tec Loyalist, 1 Rebel, 1 Vasari Exodus, and *4 Alliance
talk abouta lopsided spread.....
Blair Fraser — Today at 10:56 AM
we screwed up and will make a hotfix for loading save games. however, here is a work around.
first, your recent save games are safe and will load with 1.21.6.
you need to go to "%username%\AppData\Local\sins2\settings\settings.json"
change "front_end.enable_strict_saved_game_filtering" to false instead of true
then restart the game and you should see your save game show up in the load menu
Sins2 out this summer on steam unfortunately if you are from the southern hemisphere this means your get it six months later than the north does.
...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
Quote from: Destraex on May 01, 2024, 09:27:52 AMSins2 out this summer on steam unfortunately if you are from the southern hemisphere this means your get it six months later than the north does.
Wait. What? Six months later? I didn't know there were delays like that for regions.
Quote from: mbar on May 01, 2024, 11:25:20 AMQuote from: Destraex on May 01, 2024, 09:27:52 AMSins2 out this summer on steam unfortunately if you are from the southern hemisphere this means your get it six months later than the north does.
Wait. What? Six months later? I didn't know there were delays like that for regions.
I was just joking as I thought the Canadians who developed this game would be more inclusive, but instead chose to describe a release date via weather patterns that excluded the lower half of the world. ;)
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
I hope not as I really respect these developers.
I found it interesting that steam needs devs to declare A.I. derived content:
" Originally posted by Fyst:
As required by steam at the bottom of the store page:
AI GENERATED CONTENT DISCLOSURE
The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:
This game used AI to help quickly iterate through designs for some UI elements using our own artwork as a baseline.
This statement applies to that particular image (it was seeded from own artwork and then a lot of hand painting as well.) It's also not complete as we need to include more ships from Vasari, Advent, and some other touch ups before the next major update this summer.
Edit for clarification: the ships and background elements and some of the character elements have zero Ai generation."
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
Oh, hell. I just bought Sins2 on Epic and NOW I find out about this?
Quote from: Destraex on May 02, 2024, 12:10:49 AMI found it interesting that steam needs devs to declare A.I. derived content:
" Originally posted by Fyst:
As required by steam at the bottom of the store page:
AI GENERATED CONTENT DISCLOSURE
The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:
This game used AI to help quickly iterate through designs for some UI elements using our own artwork as a baseline.
This statement applies to that particular image (it was seeded from own artwork and then a lot of hand painting as well.) It's also not complete as we need to include more ships from Vasari, Advent, and some other touch ups before the next major update this summer.
Edit for clarification: the ships and background elements and some of the character elements have zero Ai generation."
These kind of disclosures will become more common as the use of AI spreads. Laws will also be adopted requiring these disclosures. I've started using AI in my law practice and some courts are requiring as part of their revised rules to require disclosure when papers are submitted that were prepared or drafted using AI technologies.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
I thought I read on steam one of the developers indicate people who bought on epic prior to the release announcement yesterday would 99% likely get a steam key. Of course, he didn't say 100%:)
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 02, 2024, 04:35:37 AMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
I thought I read on steam one of the developers indicate people who bought on epic prior to the release announcement yesterday would 99% likely get a steam key. Of course, he didn't say 100%:)
That would be amazing, but hard to believe given the whole point of Epic funding development so people to use their platform. I guess Epic could not stop them but I assume it would be against the spirit of the agreement. Besides, how would they distribute the keys? I guess by linking your epic account to sins website directly.
Quote from: Destraex on May 02, 2024, 08:09:45 AMQuote from: Grim.Reaper on May 02, 2024, 04:35:37 AMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
I thought I read on steam one of the developers indicate people who bought on epic prior to the release announcement yesterday would 99% likely get a steam key. Of course, he didn't say 100%:)
That would be amazing, but hard to believe given the whole point of Epic funding development so people to use their platform. I guess Epic could not stop them but I assume it would be against the spirit of the agreement. Besides, how would they distribute the keys? I guess by linking your epic account to sins website directly.
This wouldn't be the first time a game was on a different platform (or moved to Steam) and then keys were given out for Steam so don't suspect it's a problem, although could be work on their end. All I can say is a developer within the Steam forum stated it was their goal to provide the keys to people who bought prior to May 1st and was 99% sure it would happen. Guess we will see.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 02, 2024, 09:58:46 AMQuote from: Destraex on May 02, 2024, 08:09:45 AMQuote from: Grim.Reaper on May 02, 2024, 04:35:37 AMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
I thought I read on steam one of the developers indicate people who bought on epic prior to the release announcement yesterday would 99% likely get a steam key. Of course, he didn't say 100%:)
That would be amazing, but hard to believe given the whole point of Epic funding development so people to use their platform. I guess Epic could not stop them but I assume it would be against the spirit of the agreement. Besides, how would they distribute the keys? I guess by linking your epic account to sins website directly.
This wouldn't be the first time a game was on a different platform (or moved to Steam) and then keys were given out for Steam so don't suspect it's a problem, although could be work on their end. All I can say is a developer within the Steam forum stated it was their goal to provide the keys to people who bought prior to May 1st and was 99% sure it would happen. Guess we will see.
You're making me very happy right now :)
Returned Sins2 the other day and got a refund. No Galciv4 screw job for me.
What happened with galciv?
A recent game I played.... lots of changes and the game feels great now.
(https://i.imgur.com/IOyPNyi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/36WVDz3.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/svS14EV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/W3aODbe.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4KhAnJ7.png)
Quote from: Destraex on May 04, 2024, 07:30:48 PMWhat happened with galciv?
See post #11
Hard to imagine anyone making such a poor business decision.
Quote from: solops on May 05, 2024, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: Destraex on May 04, 2024, 07:30:48 PMWhat happened with galciv?
See post #11
Hard to imagine anyone making such a poor business decision.
Guess didn't see a huge deal myself. Originally purchased in 2021 for $29.99, with a coupon that had $10 off. People that own the Epic version can upgrade to Supernova for $15.99. That brings my total cost to $45.98. Supernova version on steam for the base version is $49.99, which my total investment is less for the same thing. Even if didn't have the coupon, I guess my cost would have been around $55. So at worst case $5 more for playing the game much earlier than Steam release. At least for me, a non issue based on the cost and ability to play during early access. Understand others may not feel same way. but nothing that left a huge bad tastt in my mouth.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2024, 02:37:55 PMQuote from: solops on May 05, 2024, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: Destraex on May 04, 2024, 07:30:48 PMWhat happened with galciv?
See post #11
Hard to imagine anyone making such a poor business decision.
Guess didn't see a huge deal myself. Originally purchased in 2021 for $29.99, with a coupon that had $10 off. People that own the Epic version can upgrade to Supernova for $15.99. That brings my total cost to $45.98. Supernova version on steam for the base version is $49.99, which my total investment is less for the same thing. Even if didn't have the coupon, I guess my cost would have been around $55. So at worst case $5 more for playing the game much earlier than Steam release.
That's fair when you break it down like that. However, it would have been really nice if Stardock had thanked early adopters on Epic by giving them a key on Steam. After all, the Supernova version is not available at all on Epic, and as far as I understand, the Epic version is no longer receiving updates. Thus Epic owners are forced to buy on steam if they want to experience the most up to date supported version. Stardock easily could have turned this into a big win rather than rubbing a lot of players the wrong way.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 05, 2024, 02:44:29 PMQuote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2024, 02:37:55 PMQuote from: solops on May 05, 2024, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: Destraex on May 04, 2024, 07:30:48 PMWhat happened with galciv?
See post #11
Hard to imagine anyone making such a poor business decision.
Guess didn't see a huge deal myself. Originally purchased in 2021 for $29.99, with a coupon that had $10 off. People that own the Epic version can upgrade to Supernova for $15.99. That brings my total cost to $45.98. Supernova version on steam for the base version is $49.99, which my total investment is less for the same thing. Even if didn't have the coupon, I guess my cost would have been around $55. So at worst case $5 more for playing the game much earlier than Steam release.
That's fair when you break it down like that. However, it would have been really nice if Stardock had thanked early adopters on Epic by giving them a key on Steam. After all, the Supernova version is not available at all on Epic, and as far as I understand, the Epic version is no longer receiving updates. Thus Epic owners are forced to buy on steam if they want to experience the most up to date supported version. Stardock easily could have turned this into a big win rather than rubbing a lot of players the wrong way.
But even if required to buy, still about same cost as people who buy directly on steam. I understand might have been nice to get a steam key, but don't think they ever promised anything like that so I guess I just assume risk when I knowingly buy into games early. Certainly respect others feel differently, but for me not really a huge deal as any minor extra cost i chalk up to playing much earlier (around 2 years) than others. In sins case, they have stated strong desire to provide the steam key, so let's see what they do this time.
Quote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2024, 02:51:02 PMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on May 05, 2024, 02:44:29 PMQuote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2024, 02:37:55 PMQuote from: solops on May 05, 2024, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: Destraex on May 04, 2024, 07:30:48 PMWhat happened with galciv?
See post #11
Hard to imagine anyone making such a poor business decision.
Guess didn't see a huge deal myself. Originally purchased in 2021 for $29.99, with a coupon that had $10 off. People that own the Epic version can upgrade to Supernova for $15.99. That brings my total cost to $45.98. Supernova version on steam for the base version is $49.99, which my total investment is less for the same thing. Even if didn't have the coupon, I guess my cost would have been around $55. So at worst case $5 more for playing the game much earlier than Steam release.
That's fair when you break it down like that. However, it would have been really nice if Stardock had thanked early adopters on Epic by giving them a key on Steam. After all, the Supernova version is not available at all on Epic, and as far as I understand, the Epic version is no longer receiving updates. Thus Epic owners are forced to buy on steam if they want to experience the most up to date supported version. Stardock easily could have turned this into a big win rather than rubbing a lot of players the wrong way.
But even if required to buy, still about same cost as people who buy directly on steam. I understand might have been nice to get a steam key, but don't think they ever promised anything like that so I guess I just assume risk when I knowingly buy into games early. Certainly respect others feel differently, but for me not really a huge deal as any minor extra cost i chalk up to playing much earlier (around 2 years) than others. In sins case, they have stated strong desire to provide the steam key, so let's see what they do this time.
They didn't promise that, but they also didn't put Epic buyers on notice that the Steam version was going to have a major game changing update that the Epic version was not going to receive nor that the Epic version was going to be, in essence, abandoned once released on Steam. This is what really pissed me off the most. Had I known, I would not have bought on Epic at all.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 05, 2024, 04:24:56 PMQuote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2024, 02:51:02 PMQuote from: Jarhead0331 on May 05, 2024, 02:44:29 PMQuote from: Grim.Reaper on May 05, 2024, 02:37:55 PMQuote from: solops on May 05, 2024, 02:09:04 PMQuote from: Destraex on May 04, 2024, 07:30:48 PMWhat happened with galciv?
See post #11
Hard to imagine anyone making such a poor business decision.
Guess didn't see a huge deal myself. Originally purchased in 2021 for $29.99, with a coupon that had $10 off. People that own the Epic version can upgrade to Supernova for $15.99. That brings my total cost to $45.98. Supernova version on steam for the base version is $49.99, which my total investment is less for the same thing. Even if didn't have the coupon, I guess my cost would have been around $55. So at worst case $5 more for playing the game much earlier than Steam release.
That's fair when you break it down like that. However, it would have been really nice if Stardock had thanked early adopters on Epic by giving them a key on Steam. After all, the Supernova version is not available at all on Epic, and as far as I understand, the Epic version is no longer receiving updates. Thus Epic owners are forced to buy on steam if they want to experience the most up to date supported version. Stardock easily could have turned this into a big win rather than rubbing a lot of players the wrong way.
But even if required to buy, still about same cost as people who buy directly on steam. I understand might have been nice to get a steam key, but don't think they ever promised anything like that so I guess I just assume risk when I knowingly buy into games early. Certainly respect others feel differently, but for me not really a huge deal as any minor extra cost i chalk up to playing much earlier (around 2 years) than others. In sins case, they have stated strong desire to provide the steam key, so let's see what they do this time.
They didn't promise that, but they also didn't put Epic buyers on notice that the Steam version was going to have a major game changing update that the Epic version was not going to receive nor that the Epic version was going to be, in essence, abandoned once released on Steam. This is what really pissed me off the most. Had I known, I would not have bought on Epic at all.
Fair being upset about them not supporting on epic. I guess for me, I typically get the latest versions beyond base so I would have done any way, which I did for the $15 and total cost was still cheaper for me versus buying when released on steam. But I get it.
Let's hope they do better this time.
In almost all businesses company reputation and customer relations are paramount. I am unfamiliar with the incident other than what was related here, but this seems like an easily avoided, self inflicted wound. Just the mention of it is enough to put this potential customer off. Regardless of whatever real or potential expense may have been involved, the perception of mistreatment has very high damage potential to a company. I do not want to do business with a company that does not value me as a customer. I have over 30 unplayed games. I do not NEED to buy another. The seller had better convince me that that his product is good and that he values me as a buyer of his product, that he cares about my satisfaction and lives only to make me happy. Yeah, i know he's probably lying, but he has to sell it to me and make an effort to make it so. Companies live on repeat customers! Its not just the money, it is how i am treated. I am a sensitive guy!
- sniffle -
Yep, everyone has to decide who they want to invest in and for what reason. In this case, at least for me not enough reason for me to not ever do business with the company, in the end worked out cheaper for me so really don't have a major issue at this time, but I certainly agree if the company knew they were headed in this direction they should have informed their customer base at the time they knew so people could have made an informed purchasing decision.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on May 01, 2024, 09:54:52 AM...and let me guess...it will include some kind of an update that will not be provided to those who bought early access on Epic. Stardock and Wardell screwed everyone over like this with Gal Civ IV.
Actually there is a rumour going around that epic owners who purchased before a particular date might get a steam key.
But no difference in content that I know of and ironclad are ensuring the title is platform neutral for modding and crossplay.
Yep, mentioned a few times above about developers stating they were 99% sure about prior purchases before the steam announcement on may 1st would get steam keys and so far no mention of different versions,
A good write up by the devs on some of the differences between earlier sins titles and sins2:
https://forums.sinsofasolarempire2.com/527795/page/1/#3930114