The Last Jedi is the title for the next Star Wars movie, episode VIII.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%E2%80%98star-wars-episode-viii%E2%80%99-title-announced/ar-AAm90qp?li=AA2qN5v&ocid=spartanntp
QuoteThe title for "Star Wars: Episode VIII" has finally been revealed.
Disney annouced on Monday that the next chapter in the space opera saga will be named "Star Wars: The Last Jedi."
"The Last Jedi," written and directed by Rian Johnson, immediately follows the events of 2015's smash hit "Star Wars: The Force Awakens."
The film stars Mark Hamill, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong'o, Domhnall Gleeson, Anthony Daniels, Gwendoline Christie, and Andy Serkis. The cast also includes the late Carrie Fisher, who died on Dec. 27. The actress, who played Princess Leia Organa, had wrapped shooting in July.
Lucasfilm said earlier this month that it won't digitally recreate Fisher in upcoming movies.
Benicio Del Toro, Laura Dern, and Kelly Marie Tran will also appear in "The Last Jedi."
The film is produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Ram Bergman, and executive produced by J.J. Abrams, Jason McGatlin, and Tom Karnowski.
"Star Wars: The Last Jedi" hits theaters on Dec. 15, 2017.
I think it is good they will let Carrie rest in peace after this one.
I just hope it is not a remake of an earlier film which IMO was what "The Force Awakens" really was. I enjoyed it but it was just a little too close to the plot of New Hope.
"The Last Jedi-- Unless the Gross Stays Up". To be followed by, "The Second-To-Last Jedi", "The Next Last Jedi", and, "The Last, Last Jedi". And then later a made-for TV series, "The Skywalker-Solo Family Chronicles". Can't wait! :D
Luke's not the last Jedi. Even after Palpsy issued Order 66 there were still a bunch of Jedi hiding throughout the galaxy. Hell, he and Vader completely missed Yoda and Obi Wan for 20 years. The Jedi are harder to wipe out than cockroaches.
But surely they would've felt the Force awaken and come out of hiding or where ever they are. Wouldn't they? Sorry I called you 'Shirley'.
Quote"The Last Jedi," written and directed by Rian Johnson,
The guy who directed the movie
Looper.
Actually, that's the only one of note to me on his list.
Quote from: mirth on January 23, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
Luke's not the last Jedi. Even after Palpsy issued Order 66 there were still a bunch of Jedi hiding throughout the galaxy. Hell, he and Vader completely missed Yoda and Obi Wan for 20 years. The Jedi are harder to wipe out than cockroaches.
Just read that the plural of Jedi is Jedi. :o
Quote from: bbmike on January 23, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: mirth on January 23, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
Luke's not the last Jedi. Even after Palpsy issued Order 66 there were still a bunch of Jedi hiding throughout the galaxy. Hell, he and Vader completely missed Yoda and Obi Wan for 20 years. The Jedi are harder to wipe out than cockroaches.
Just read that the plural of Jedi is Jedi. :o
You didn't know that?
Have you been spending too much time in Star Trek land? :))
He's been busy perfecting his Vulacan nerve pinch.
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Quote from: bbmike on January 23, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: mirth on January 23, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
Luke's not the last Jedi. Even after Palpsy issued Order 66 there were still a bunch of Jedi hiding throughout the galaxy. Hell, he and Vader completely missed Yoda and Obi Wan for 20 years. The Jedi are harder to wipe out than cockroaches.
Just read that the plural of Jedi is Jedi. :o
You didn't know that?
Have you been spending too much time in Star Trek land? :))
To be fair, they are interchangeable.
Quote from: OJsDad on January 23, 2017, 08:25:34 PM
To be fair, they are interchangeable.
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What, two highly popular space operas that constantly disappoint fans, have great big well developed universes and are never taken advantage of, and yet keep people coming back for more.
AT-AT maintenance issues.
https://angrystaffofficer.com/2017/01/22/imperial-executive-officer-addresses-weaknesses-in-his-armor-company/
How do you even get to be a maintenance guy in the Empire? Don't they just blow stuff up rather than fix it? How could you ever find your tools with that damned helmet with the little, tiny eye slots anyway? Then, just when you get it up and running again, some Dark Jedi comes along and carves it all the hell-up with a lightsaber cause he's pissed that some little girl beat him up in Mind Thumb-Wrestling. Tough job! :-\
Quote from: besilarius on January 23, 2017, 08:57:03 PM
AT-AT maintenance issues.
https://angrystaffofficer.com/2017/01/22/imperial-executive-officer-addresses-weaknesses-in-his-armor-company/ (https://angrystaffofficer.com/2017/01/22/imperial-executive-officer-addresses-weaknesses-in-his-armor-company/)
QuoteFIVRET L. SOWEN
1LT, AR
Executive Officer
"Excellence leads to not being force choked"
:DD
Quote from: OJsDad on January 23, 2017, 08:51:45 PM
What, two highly popular space operas that constantly disappoint fans, have great big well developed universes and are never taken advantage of, and yet keep people coming back for more.
Oh how true how true.
Quote from: OJsDad on January 23, 2017, 08:51:45 PM
What, two highly popular space operas that constantly disappoint fans, have great big well developed universes and are never taken advantage of, and yet keep people coming back for more.
At least Star Trek has Axanar! Oh wait...
^ That's just mean.
Good, but not over-whelming me. If this is the best they can show now..... :hide:
Did you notice at the 1:17 mark, the speeders in the desert were heading toward a group of Walkers?
Quote from: mirth on April 14, 2017, 12:20:28 PM
Did you notice at the 1:17 mark, the speeders in the desert were heading toward a group of Walkers?
So...this is the Empire Strikes Back remake?
I hope it's better than the Wrath of Khan remake.
It's hard to believe that the same company behind the Marvel movies are behind these movies. I almost wish they would have rebooted the whole thing when Disney took over with an eye on the complete story.
This is the first Star Wars film to have the 'Star Wars' logo in red instead of gold, isn't it? I wonder what the significance is...if any.
So...
Does 'ending the Jedi' also mean that, by some cosmic Yin-Yang/Force Rules, The Dark Side must also lose it's hold on the Sith?
Never!
Nerds.
^ Sez the guy who lives on Hoth and probably has a sleeping bag shaped like a Tauntaun carcass.
I thought that was cool
I used to be scruffy as a Nerf Herder. Back when that was cool. :nerd:
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Quote from: Con on April 14, 2017, 11:08:37 PM
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:2funny:
LMAO
Seems like a big plot point will be Kylo Ren trying to resurrect Darth Vader?
Quote from: Sir Slash on April 14, 2017, 12:15:16 PM
Good, but not over-whelming me. If this is the best they can show now..... :hide:
I was very definitely underwhelmed by the trailer. I spent most of the two minutes watching it either yawning or rolling my eyes.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/movies/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-rian-johnson.html
Not sure if this is good news or bad
http://nerdist.com/star-wars-episode-ix-jj-abrams-directing/
I liked Ep7, so I'll go with good.
Quote from: JasonPratt on September 13, 2017, 09:31:25 AM
I liked Ep7, so I'll go with good.
What was it about Ep. 7 that you liked? The fact that it was Ep. 4 with a few different characters?
No, it reminded me of the Wheel of Time.
>:D
Touche!
As good as any place to put this I suppose. :2funny:
I was seriously expecting the second guy to say, "I didn't even know at the time how many Tie fighters were out there, really! I thought maybe a dozen were swarming us, but I talked to one of the other guys later and he told me it was four dozen at least! That's what comes from being stuck in those back seats, in a cockpit of a freighter. We weren't even on the guns. ...was ANYONE on the guns?! The Falcon did have guns, I know it did--!"
OK. I peed a little bit watching this. Not more than normal but..... :D
So Ren has to go to Mordor and kill Sauron? I hope this movie doesn't suck out loud like Force Awakens did. That'll be 5 Christmases George Lucas ruined for me if it does. (Ok. Only 4. I didn't bother to see Revenge of the Sith in the theater).
Quote from: MetalDog on October 09, 2017, 10:03:56 PM
So Ren has to go to Mordor and kill Sauron? I hope this movie doesn't suck out loud like Force Awakens did. That'll be 5 Christmases George Lucas ruined for me if it does. (Ok. Only 4. I didn't bother to see Revenge of the Sith in the theater).
Put down the weed.
Maybe Lucas should pick it up. Then maybe he wouldn't let them make the same movie twice.
Quote from: MetalDog on October 09, 2017, 10:06:31 PM
Maybe Lucas should pick it up. Then maybe he wouldn't let them make the same movie twice.
Lucas sold to Disney 5 years ago. He has nothing to do with the franchise anymore.
Ok. That explains it. The House of Mouse has been making the same movies for 70 + years. Then maybe Micky needs to hit the blunt. At the very least, I won't have to watch The Last Jedi be a remake of Empire...
So bitter...
Because I expect even a slightly different story than I have already seen before? Shame on me. :-[
Metaldog......I sense much anger in him.....pain and suffering he is
That looks A W E S O M E :notworthy:
Quote from: mirth on October 09, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
So bitter...
I've been getting more bitter about
Disney Wars: Daddy Issues too.
Now that Jar Jar Abrams directed a second one? Here comes the Empire Strikes Back II, now with Mary Sue™! :pullhair:
BITTER
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^This guy gets it!
The New Order has a helluva production base. In 20 years they're able to not only core out a planet and build Death Star III, but also revamp and upgrade all of their platforms (TIE fighters, AT-ATs, etc.) and mass produce them. Imagine the good they've done in the consumer sector! Friggin' Rebels, screwing things up.
So whom among you are going to go buy tickets now that they're on sale, TWO months in advance? :nerd:
I might as well. Gonna be taking the kids opening weekend.
I can't plan next weekend let alone two months from now. I applaud that kind of dedication.
I might be dead in 5 minutes.
I'm on board with everything except for the screaming penguin. :hide: Penguins should just be cute and quiet.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 10, 2017, 02:13:35 PM
I'm on board with everything except for the screaming penguin. :hide: Penguins should just be cute and quiet.
It's a Sith penguin, full of anger and hate.
You mean like Ky-Loo-Ren. Pen-Loo-Guin?
Quote from: BanzaiCat on October 10, 2017, 06:06:30 AM
The New Order has a helluva production base. In 20 years they're able to not only core out a planet and build Death Star III, but also revamp and upgrade all of their platforms (TIE fighters, AT-ATs, etc.) and mass produce them. Imagine the good they've done in the consumer sector! Friggin' Rebels, screwing things up.
my understanding without reading any Star Wars books was that, while defeated, the Empire wasnt eradicated. whatever passes for a peace treaty had Emperial force relegated to some outer band of space. ::) idk
or wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Order_(Star_Wars)
My understanding is that Jar Jar Abrams cares not for plot or continuity.
Quote from: bbmike on October 10, 2017, 06:22:20 PM
My understanding is that Jar Jar Abrams cares not for plot or continuity.
For awhile now, Jar Jar Abrams cares only for repackaging previous films and calling them new.
:arr:
Well, that explains why I had the feeling I had seen The Force Awakens before ;)
That's why all movie directors should be tested for Alzheimer's on a regular basis. Especially the ones with weird first names that use initials instead.
But... what if this is true.... :o
Quote from: MetalDog on October 10, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
Well, that explains why I had the feeling I had seen The Force Awakens before ;)
I'm surprised you've seen any of the Star Wars films.
MD: "Who is this Indiana Jones you fellers keep hornswagglin' about round here?"
Quote from: BanzaiCat on October 11, 2017, 08:35:59 AM
MD: "Who is this Indiana Jones you fellers keep hornswagglin' about round here?"
Take it easy there, Captain OCS.
Uhh...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ okay!
Does anyone else see a resemblance in the new cutesy-pie animal sharing the ride with Chewbacca, and the Shmoos from Lil Abner?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo
That Chewy will let ANYBODY in that ship won't he? It's like he can't keep a normal partner in there. Maybe he passes gas a lot while he's flying. Wookie farts have got to be baddddd. :hide:
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I like the update.
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Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 14, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
I like the update.
Now it will
really look like it's always flying backwards.
Would be better if it had the Hulk in it I'm thinking. "HULK SMASH PUNY STAR-DESTROYER"!!!
Some theater owners have decided to rebel against the corporate Empire which has altered the deal.
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 03, 2017, 09:14:22 AM
Some theater owners have decided to rebel against the corporate Empire which has altered the deal.
As if Disney's increasing stranglehold on the movie business wasn't bad enough. ::)
[yt]https://youtu.be/Z8CQuAiTess[/yt]
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 03, 2017, 09:14:22 AM
Some theater owners have decided to rebel against the corporate Empire which has altered the deal.
Honest to god - I'm on the verge of not going to the cinema anymore anyway. I can't stand people on their phones, rustling crisp packets, slurping drinks, talking. I went to see Thor:Ragnarock again yesterday and the guy sitting across the aisle from me had FOUR packets of crisps!
On top of that, our cinema is shite. I have already booked in to see this because my daughter wanted to go see the double bill (The Force Awakens at 21:00 and then The Last Jedi at 00:05)...but I really am on the verge of not wanting to go anymore.
I'm with ya on that, JD. But when the local theater changed their format to picking seats ahead of time (like picking a seat on an airplane), and the seats were changed to huge, comfortable reclining chairs, I went from going to the movies maybe once a year to going 6-8 times now.
With the assigned seating I can time it so I arrive when previews start and totally avoid the shite commercials that they play on endless loop.
When I was in Glasgow last I almost went to see the new Alien movie (new at the time anyway). They had a VIP service at the theater that was I think 20-30 quid...can't recall the exact amount, but it looked sort of like the same seat types and they had a full free snack and drink bar (they better for that price!). I ended up just walking around instead of seeing the movie, even though I went up to the theater to check it out.
Bought tickets today.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/movies/last-jedi-star-wars.html
Begun, the non-disclosure non-reviews from the opening night have. :-X
The only pre-review that really matters so far:
By 45 seconds in I was laughing so hard my face hurt. At work.
I am genuinely excited to see this movie.
Tomorrow night O0 >:D
Jeez, it's here already? I saw the pre-sale tix but I thought it wasn't coming out for a few more weeks.
So, time to stop reading this thread until I see it...
Quote from: bbmike on December 12, 2017, 09:27:15 AM
So, time to stop reading this thread until I see it...
Yep. I'm avoiding spoilers for this one. Normally I don't care, but I want to go into this one not knowing.
Yep. I'm not clicking on any spoilers. I will probably avoid social media, too. I remember being on iFunny (an app that does memes) and seeing a random comment that said "Han dies," which was just before The Force Awakens came out. It was just a totally random comment to a meme that had nothing to do with Star Wars, by someone just wanting to be an asshole.
I think I can safely say that the RLM pre-review thing is just funny, not really spoilery.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 12, 2017, 09:21:34 AM
Jeez, it's here already? I saw the pre-sale tix but I thought it wasn't coming out for a few more weeks.
Well...it's
here already - I don't know about
thereDouble bill tomorrow night. The Force Awakens at 9 or 10 and then The Last Jedi at 00:05 on Thursday morning. Can't wait. I'm very excited for this one.
Tickets purchased. :bd:
Review embargos lifted 30 minutes ago. General impressions are very positive.
Scheduled with Bro and the Nieces Sunday afternoon.
Looking forward to comparing notes Monday AM.
I'm going in Saturday night. I'm actually surprised it was still open, even the distant locale I will be visiting.
Going with Daughter #1 Sat afternoon as a birthday gift...meeting wife and daughters #2 & #3 afterwords for dinner / dessert.
Going to the 7pm showing tomorrow night with my Son-In-Law. The Nerd is strong in this family.
We watched Rogue One, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi over the past few days in preparation.
I'd forgotten how low Return of the Jedi had sunk and how much the film stunk imo. I do recall it being my least fav (sorry - not buying teddy bears) - but quite how bad showed up last night. Not quite bad enough to be lumbered with Episodes 1 to 3 - but close.
Thank god the people in charge are starting to churn out good stuff. The Empire Strikes Back was always my favourite.
Jedi has the the awesome space combat that makes me want to bust out Armada every time I see it but the whole Ewok/I'm your sister thing is craptastic.
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 12, 2017, 09:15:38 AM
The only pre-review that really matters so far:
By 45 seconds in I was laughing so hard my face hurt. At work.
This x10
;D
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand.....
It was bloody good. We thoroughly enjoyed it O0 O0 O0
Do all the villains still have English accents?
I should jolly-well hope so, old chap.
OK. My 2 cents. A very good movie but not quite the film "The Force Awakens" was. I thought it was a little too predictable at times and some of the action was a little silly and it lacked a bit of the emotional appeal of the previous film. But when it did it's Luke vs Kylo vs Rey vs Snoke thing it was spot on. Great ending and a couple of surprise appearances throw-in give it a solid 7.5 out of 10 in my humble opinion. Lord Above, I've never seen so many nerds in any one place in my life. It was like somebody crashed a 747 full of them out in the parking lot. :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
Locutus in rehab?
On my way to see the first showing of the day. Fingers crossed that it's any good :bd:
Good or good not, there is no 'any good' 😎
https://www.duffelblog.com/2015/12/isis-star-wars-spoiler-every-message/
Ok. So, first off, it's better than Force Awakens. No repeats (or remakes of entire previous movies) here. Second, it's very action-y. Not a whole lot of plot. Third, it's super freakin' awesome to see Luke Skywalker back in action again. Can't be more specific without giving anything away, but, if you like Star Wars, you should like this movie.
^nice. Can't wait to see it.
liked it for sure, but not overwhelmed by it....it will be interesting to see where it goes from here
Honestly, Force Awakens was pretty meh. An improvement over the prequels, but that ain't saying much.
It's good. Surprising in their decisions on where to go with the story, but good.
Not a fan of the Porgs or whatever the screaming penguins were. Chewy had the right idea of what to do with them. Glad Leia didn't show up in the bikini. Wish Rey had.
Just saw it. My thoughts. SPOILERS
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOILERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Princess Leia space walks. This does happen in some of the books. But she looked like a banshee and travelled a large distance it seems - perhaps kilometres? The huge ship seemed really distant.
- Kylo Ren is left lying on the floor magically while girl escapes
- Cloak tech for transports magically
- luke projects himself further than the emperor
- one xwing destroys huge numbers of turbo turrets one shotting with lasers? The first order fleet still seems to have learned nothing from all previous death stars and fllet battles. They still cannot combat snub fighters without fighters of their own. Which they apparently are so incompetent as to have not launched fighter cover as soon as they warped in.
- A-Wing afterburners look like flames rather than the engines we are used to? Like very cheap affects.
- ships can leave and hyperspace in and out at will to the fleet. So why did the first order not do this?
- Hyperspace can destroy ships. So why not have hyperspace weapons? Why did they not do this automated with the other ships before they got destroyed running out of fuel?
- Red imperial guard replacements do wrap dances
- Somehow they have minature death star weapons now.
- kylo and girl still projecting after smoke dead (talking to each other by feeling, snoke must have been wrong about this)
- Fin was not recognised on a notorious new order sympathiser world (casino)
- Why are the rebel ships faster than the new order ones.
- Ray has no training which is supposed to be really dangerous but is somehow still the equivalent of the best jedi ever. Surpassing luke really easily. Everything in these films is about convienience and laziness. Nothing is ever worked for.
- Chinese chick thinks ramming and destroying a friends ship is helping to save him.
- Lots of really stupid jokes and silly remarks that just add to the comedy feel of the whole thing. It's not even a serious attempt and now luke and leia are out it's probably all over. The new characters are idiots and the team feeling of the rebels is lost.
- Bombers apparently deliver ww2 style from huge vulnerable ships now. But don't worry. The new order does not really open fire.
- Why not send for help while still in space instead of at the base?
- BB8 takes out guards with gold coins.
- bb8 blocks circuit board with 10 probes to block sparks. Then rams it with his head and it sparks up like its burning out. This is not how to fix a circuit board and if the headbutt fixed it then it must be tougher than the probes! Targeting comes back online.
- Laser Swords. (Laser Swords). Childs terminology from people who should know better.
- Spaceships - lets get our space ships? Childs terminology from people who should know better.
- Massive Horse Beasts go up cliffs and are unstoppable through the casino which has no advanced materials? The glass is apparently real glass rather than plasteel.
- Snowtroopers (salt flat troopers) look like stunted 4ft tall dwarfs.
- Two female leads kinda being older cougars because they think the younger pilot is spunky
- Leia chastises her people for not following the pilot when earlier he mutinied and had been demoted in rank earlier.
- No feeling from c3po and luke barely acknowledges him
Theatre had no air conditioning (over 30 degs C here today)
After making a major effort to head off any accidental spoilers. Lego ad showing the ships from the new movie and the movies trailer which I had avoided (event cinema trailer specifically to promote them and the movie even though we had paid already!) were showing spoilers before movie started!!!! The feakin hide of them!
Use the spoiler Tags!
[spoiler]THIS IS A SPOILER!!![/spoiler]
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 16, 2017, 12:28:45 AM
Not a fan of the Porgs or whatever the screaming penguins were. Chewy had the right idea of what to do with them. Glad Leia didn't show up in the bikini. Wish Rey had.
What Slash said!
Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Overall, my impression tips towards more favourable than not. The humour surprised me. At times it was more like Spaceballs than Star Wars.
Although it made for a good scene, why they'd chose dropping bombs over using missiles eludes me.
Good point above. B-17 Bombers? :idiot2:
Because manual bombing is more dramatic... "Stay on target... stay on target!!!"
:timeout: They have the tech for artificial gravity, Death Stars, hyper drives but cannot make a missile?
Quote from: OJsDad on December 16, 2017, 02:23:40 PM
:timeout: They have the tech for artificial gravity, Death Stars, hyper drives but cannot make a missile?
That's because Lucas based the whole look of space combat on footage from WW2. The Rebels and/or Imperials would get their clocks cleaned if they ran into a similar-sized GalacticaReboot-verse fleet. Even on the tactical level it would be like Hurricanes v. Harriers.
Quote from: Centurion40 on December 16, 2017, 10:49:02 AM
At times it was more like Spaceballs than Star Wars.
Yep. There were times I thought I was watching Spaceballs. The humor was ill placed in this movie. Can you imagine Vader cracking-wise in the original trilogy?
Mark Hamill was outstanding. I wish Luke had been in every scene.
There were a lot of little things that bothered me. The movie felt pretty silly and then at times veered into self-reverence.
I'd give it a 7. Didn't think it was better than Force Awakens. Didn't think it was better than any of the original trilogy.
Did you like it better than Rogue One?
No.
I doubt I will like it more than Rogue One either...I really enjoyed Rogue One.
The concept of bombers in space was...er...wrong. First off the bombs wouldn't "drop" They would just float.
If you want to use WWII vernacular torpedo boats would at least make a helluva lot more sense.
Not sure if they will be building on the casino scene and the conversation from it or if it was just today's SJW dig at war profiteers and we'll never discuss it again.
It was overlong and felt it. I mean the capital ship case? I'm fine with the fact that the New Order ships could not catch the cruiser...I imagine they are built for sustained warfare so speed is secondary.
I really am not sure if I can say I liked it or not. Still processing.
Hamill was awesome and I like that he finally stated what many people have thought...that the Jedi order for the most part are no better than the Sith...one was undone by it's arrogance the other by selfishness.
spoilers:
I agree. Freefall bombs in space was silly. Unless they were propelled by the launch mechanism.
I am surprised they did not have catapults and ewoks making a come back in space. WAIT they did. The scene where the droid fired coins at the enemy to knock them out.
Disney are running out of veteran star wars actors fast. Once they are gone. They will be left with the lifeless cardboard actors that are the up and coming supposed stars.
- Chewbacca and the eating scene with the porgs was extremely silly.
- How is Yoda able to have the power to destroy things from the grave? I though obi wan said this was not possible.
- Fin walking around with bacta streaming out of hoses in the launch bay while everybody ignored him. Just stupidity.
- What is with the trend now to hook imperial gear up to hoses while they are stowed? Does it take years to fuel them up?
I liked it better than Rogue1. And are we to assume (spoiler ahead) that Rey's parents were really just, nobody's? After all the hints and hype about them in Force Awakens?
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 16, 2017, 10:59:50 PM
I liked it better than Rogue1. And are we to assume (spoiler ahead) that Rey's parents were really just, nobody's? After all the hints and hype about them in Force Awakens?
I wouldn't read too much into what the Force Awakens says or hints at.
These films were handed to their filmmakers with a lot of leeway. Johnson was given absolute freedom to choose what direction he could take the movie in, even if it wasn't what Abrams/Kasdan had wanted in Force Awakens. Johnson has said that Kennedy gave him a blank check, and told him if he wanted to go off script he could, so he did. He was given no overall story or pointed to something he was required to do.
So, these films are being made by their writers/directors. They're building off the previous versions without being beholden to a unified goal. The story might change according to the vision and whims of who is making it rather than some master plan. In a way, this is not too dissimilar to what happened in the OT with the melting pot of Lucas, Kurtz, Kasdan et al, although this time it's by intent rather than by necessity.
Abrams might change what Johnson did, might not. He literally gave his pitch for the movie to Disney CEO Bob Iger today. The next chapter isn't even a concept anywhere except Abram's mind. Everything is in play.
At least, Lucas had something of a unified vision.
yeah considering how well they've done with the MCU and how poorly the disjointed DCU has done I'm surprised they are taking a slapdash approach to developing the Star Wars property.
Angry Joe had some issues with it. I agree with 90% of what he raises.
****SPOILERS IN VIDEO*****
Saw it last night. I'm glad I'm not the only one that continues to be underwhelemed. I mean, for an action flick it was fine, but I thought there were a lot of slow points in it; the plot exposition dragged ass many times. There was no "whoa" moments at all but plenty of "WTF?" moments, and AJ points out several of them.
Then there's the similarities it has with previous Star Wars films...and how the hell that massive Snoke Star Destroyer could only fire one blast at a time at the escaping transports...and how hundreds of soldiers just happened to be there for the battle...and how Snoke, despite being obviously very powerful was unable to notice the little spinning saber trick (which was cool, but still, how?)...and and and...sigh.
Rogue One has grown on me since it came out, so that one is still my favorite of the (so far) three movies made since two years ago. TLJ wasn't bad at all, it just wasn't impressive either.
All I know is that my opinion of the prequel movies is actually going up. Plot and character development doesn't seem to matter to JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson anymore than it did to George Lucas.
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 09:44:46 AM
All I know is that my opinion of the prequel movies is actually going up. Plot and character development doesn't seem to matter to JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson anymore than it did to George Lucas.
Hahahaha...I was thinking EXACTLY this last night..."hmm, maybe I should watch the prequels again..."
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Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 06:52:14 AM
At least, Lucas had something of a unified vision.
Pretend my stomach was less upset this morning and/or I was less lazy, and I borrowed the Dr. Evil fingerquote meme here for "something". ::)
It was more than what has been show in the last two movies.
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 11:23:56 AM
It was more than what has been show in the last two movies.
You mean this is more than a Disney moneygrab?
I was referring to Lucas having something of a unified vision for the first six movies. Last Jedi felt more like a Disney money grab.
I can only imagine what the Han Solo movie will be like.
Where's vomit guy? He's needed in more than just the Star Trek threads!
I can't wait for Disney to buy up the companies owning Star Trek rights so we can have a Star Wars - Star Trek crossover! Maybe even add BSG and Dr Who to the mix, too! And the MCU! Woo, I'm getting dizzy.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 17, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
I can't wait for Disney to buy up the companies owning Star Trek rights so we can have a Star Wars - Star Trek crossover! Maybe even add BSG and Dr Who to the mix, too! And the MCU! Woo, I'm getting dizzy.
Star Wars meets Guardians of the Galaxy and the fight the Cylons.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 17, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
I can't wait for Disney to buy up the companies owning Star Trek rights so we can have a Star Wars - Star Trek crossover! Maybe even add BSG and Dr Who to the mix, too! And the MCU! Woo, I'm getting dizzy.
It won't be complete until they add Quark:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/QuarkCast.jpg)
And Buck Rogers
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/05/f5/02/05f50223956e16456799a03415cf731e.jpg)
It amazes me how the critics are slobbering all over this movie
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-reviews-critics-rating-episode-viii-1066757
It's a decent movie and worth seeing, but the best since Empire? No way. This is the weakest one since the prequels, imo. I may even put Attack of the Clones ahead of it.
I thought there were some deficiencies, but, c'mon...LUKE SKYWALKER! I hadn't realized how much I missed seeing him in these movies. And how much he really is my favorite character.
Luke was awesome. By far, the best part of the movie.
Yeah, finally seeing Luke again was pretty damned cool.
Though the whole him helping raise the First Order is kind of overlooked a tad. And now he's...well, yeah. I guess we'll see.
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 12:31:33 PM
And Buck Rogers
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/05/f5/02/05f50223956e16456799a03415cf731e.jpg)
"What is thy bidding, my masters?"
^lol
Please don't take this the wrong way. Just came back from seeing the movie and I could tell by the third paragraph of the opening text roll that the movie was going to be lame. Twice while I was watching it I felt compelled to leave the theater. I hung in until the end and while the movie was filled with a good story about problem solving on the spot for our heroes there was something lacking.
I just didn't get a sense to why the rebels ended up in the situation they were in after their huge success in the first movie.
As for the major plot twists and surprises I won't spoil it for anyone but I was left scratching my head wondering what was that train wreck I just witnessed?
You'd think the galaxy would put an end to the entire Skywalker line. That family's caused more effing problems.
So, got back from seeing it with Bro and nieces (and probable niece-mates someday).
Random non-spoilery thoughts.
Me to Bro early in the film: "I believe a lot of things in this movie. But I don't believe those fuzzy penguin things can fly."
Why would they get in the Falcon with Chewie? Even if he had some kind of change of heart?
A good half of the film is what used to be called in Doctor Who parlance (borrowing a term from classic cinema serials) a "circle chase plot". I would count that as an homage to the serial origins behind the original film, but this isn't a serial needing to stretch out its run time. It accomplished nothing more than making a side character wealthy and freeing some abused animals.
While I kind of see what they might have been going for, sort of, in how Luke serves the plot at the end, it seems like a waste. Not on his part, exactly, but in undermining viewer expectation. Bro and I both agreed, there should have been an insanely mind-blowing action defense sequence (those who have seen it will know) that would have justified what happened next. It was at least clever on the surface, but could have been a disaster that might have been easily avoided had Luke chosen to do something less clever and more practical. Relatedly, Yoda's cameo.
To paraphrase both Dark Helmet AND Admiral F'ing Thrawn: the rebels will always win, because evil is dumb. That becomes painfully obvious. Not just a little plot-conveniently dumb, but massssssssssssssively and repeatedly stupid in different ways over a period of a few whole days. Just when they run out of ways to be dumb, they decide to plumb the depths of dumbpravity.
Also, I declare dumbpravity to be a real word. It is now a real word because of this movie.
I know I have some misfiring neurons, but in my memory I keep seeing this movie title on posters as Star IX Wars. Even though cognitively that isn't true, I must feel in my heart what I know to be true or something like that.
If he had flown away on that broomstick, this movie would have been at least four hundred percent better. Not that I didn't appreciate what they did eventually do (and I saw how he grabbed it as he walked out the door), but still. I wanted him to fly off on that broomstick so bad I could taste it.
I was expecting Lando to help. I'll leave it at that.
Did that sergeant drag his feet? Why? To make his men think he was unspeakably badass by heaving himself up to be shot while bleeding so hard he left tracks? The film itself lampshades this.
The film itself lampshades this film and some prior films a lot.
I thought reviewers were overreacting when they compared this film's humor to Spaceballs. They were literally correct. "I think he is tooling you, sire."
Lara Dern. You are awesome. Of all the Lara Derns in this world, you are the Lara Derniest. Lara Dern, pretty much single-handedly, wins for the rebellion.
Lara Dern wins because evil is dumb. So very very very very dumb. This does not make Lara Dern's win more awesome.
Lara Dern is so awesome that even Lara Dern doesn't think of how Lara Dern is going to win before Lara Dern does. Good is not dumber than evil, but it tries really hard.
Despite Lara Dern pretty much single-handedly winning for the rebellion, somehow the movie still continues with enough First Order to threaten the plot. This emphasizes how dumb evil is, by comparison, i.e. that they could have easily beaten Lara Dern.
All praise to the visual designers of the final battle, and to the visual designers generally.
Somewhat relatedly, the hive of scum and villainy in this film was amusingly pointed.
My nieces loved this movie like cake. The older one was equally excited before and afterward. She shoryukened my face with her head when she arrived at the theater and she didn't even notice. My tongue still has teeth marks.
Finn's.... wait, was that his only real action scene? And simply a callback to only one of his several key action scenes in VII?
Finn's only real action scene (that can't be true, can it? -- no, there was a dog race.)
....sorry, I keep going off track. Finn's only real action scene that means anything really, literally starts and plays like a modern 2D Mortal Kombat match. My jaw dropped.
The movie teased unmasking Captain Phasma, or whatever her rank was supposed to be. (It was captain, right? She seemed more like a commander.) I don't for the life of me understand why they would tease this. Like they were spitting in the eye of her actress. Or at the fans who think Phasma is awesome as a villain.
Our audience clapped and laughed several times. And cheered a few times. A good time was had by all. Even me despite my grumpiness.
QuoteI was expecting Lando to help. I'll leave it at that.
I was too. This movie could have used some Lando.
Quote from: mirth on December 17, 2017, 08:31:12 PM
QuoteI was expecting Lando to help. I'll leave it at that.
I was too. This movie could have used some Lando Colt .45.
Ftfy
My... not 'favorite' moment, for obvious reasons, but the most What In The Actual Hell Did I Just See moment, was when Lara Dern is doing her Dern'dest to be awesome, and also there has been massive and unexpected tragedy... and some extras in the background behind Po and another really important character (whom I won't name for spoilers, but those who have seen the film will know the shot I mean), the main characters are looking out the window at all this, and the extras are just rhubarbing at each other in the background at their own little fan-social party. Just glad to be in a Star Wars film! Isn't this great, yeah I know, woo!
I didn't imagine that. Did I? I couldn't have actually projected that somehow from my subconscious, could I?? This big turnaround win in the face of desperate tragedy, and the extras are having a pleasant chat with one another about how much this place looks like a real Star Wars set, NOT EVEN LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AT THE GREEN SCREEN!?!
Come to think of it, since Po and this other character should have both been very, very dead early in the film for similar reasons, and neither one are for no clear reason at all, I'm going to theorize that this film is the Star Wars version of Jacob's Ladder. Or the Occurrence on Owl Creek Bridge.
This might be my head canon now. :crazy2:
Was Lara Dern the first person in the SW films to refer to God? "God be with you." She said that. I know she did, I didn't just imagine that as my brain was dying, because Bro and I both turned and looked at each other and repeated that. Because we couldn't believe it was in the film.
We're both very serious Christians, it isn't like we're offended it's there -- if anything we get very eye-rolling about the pantheistic Force and think the midichlorians are kind of hilarious but still plot-wrong for the series -- but it doesn't really fit the series. The Ying-Yang symbol does (although wait, does that mean one of those characters was sensitive to the dark side?) The blunt reference to God, in a dramatic scene, does not.
Rey supposedly isn't a Mary Sue, but everyone likes her, she's better than the original characters whose fan fiction she's the new heroine of, she is now more incapable than ever of making a mistake (minus an apparent big one in her judgment of "this is going to go" the way she thinks, but I'm betting she still turns out to be right about that bright, clear future), she gets new powers as the plot demands without working for it -- not just unlike the main villain(s), by the way, but LITERALLY IN STORY BECAUSE one of the main villains needs balanced capabilities. Which the other main villain apparently doesn't understand because he berates the villain she's balancing out due to plot necessities, for being balanced out by her.
Meanwhile Luke cuts himself off from the Force, leaving a giant unbalanced power running around. Until he gets balanced Sith style, which I kind of appreciated thematically, but I didn't think these clowns were even supposed to be the Sith.
This plot, "a page turner it is not". (...I didn't imagine that either, did I?) Oh, and Rey already knows more of everything than the foundational books of the Jedi, because the forced-plot literally needs her to be special. (...I didn't imagine that either, did I? That was practically said, in the same scene, almost word for word.)
But she isn't, supposedly, a Mary Sue.
Rey dives straight into the Dark Side without even resisting -- this is said in the film, explicitly -- but she makes it out okay, twice, without any problems. One of those times the Dark Side offers to show her her parents, and instead of showing her something that Ren is sure will turn her to the dark side (which she's tempted about when it happens), it shows her only herself and then lets her go, no harm, no suggestive revelation about herself that teaches her about a weakness (what is explicitly said to be her weakness, by Team Evil, later).
But she isn't a Mary Sue. Supposedly.
In order to create, not only character tension = plot tension, but to set up the giant circle chase subplot which leads nowhere and accomplishes less than nothing, Lara Dern pissy-flirts with Po by refusing to tell one of her officers what she's trying to do and why. While barely restraining herself from chewing his nose like a starving purple-haired cougar. Which I suspect is a thing in the SWU.
End result: mutiny, hundreds or thousands of lives lost, Lara Dern gains time to figure out how to really win at the last moment, using a simple maneuver that anyone could have thought up in the few days of the plot, and for which literally no one except the villains had to die.
This is almost redeemed by Lara Dern's awesomeness. But I'm trying to be honest. (While being non-spoilery.)
Edited to add: it occurs to me that the in-story plot didn't happen over a few days but across less than a day. It just felt like a few days.
Someone fangirls over a hero who doesn't think he's a hero and is then crushed when she thinks he's doing something unheroic, which he really isn't, and then prevents him from being the hero she thought he was to begin with, because she decides she loves him. End result, potential game loss for the rebellion, hundreds more dead. Fangirl should be dropped off at the nearest rebel base pronto, probably won't be.
[spoiler]This is not Lara Dern.[/spoiler]
Very, very fortunately for the rebellion, the rebellion gets past this, and could even set up this situation that the fangirl ignorantly torpedoes for the sake of her feelings at the moment, because evil is so, so, so dumb.
Between Finn's last scene, and Finn's next-to-last scene, nothing apparently happens. And yet he's safe and sound in the last scene. When he should be a dead red smear scraped along the surface of a salt plain, along with someone else.
Because evil so so dumb y'all.
It would've been epic to see Luke, Han, and Chewy all team-up on screen again.
ok Jason, sum up your wall of text into 10 words.
Everyone kind of deserves to die from malignant dumbpravity.
Nine words. O0
This movie was actively trolling its own fans.
Eight words.
Less rum in your eggnog.
Five words ;)
one word
shhhh
"Hush" would have been better, Batman.
^ Srsly, no ear for canon.
Although granted, Hush was a dumb villain so I forgive his avoidance.
They burned Zahn's books.
Four words. >:D
Screw the fans.
Three words.
Mary Sue.
Two words.
WTF.
One acronym. >:(
ROFL
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 17, 2017, 11:39:46 PM
It would've been epic to see Luke, Han, and Chewy all team-up on screen again.
+1 really wish they would have given us that.
Meanwhile, the new hotness online is... wait, does Disney own Men In Black now?
Meanwhile, the new hotness online is watching the stages of insanity set in:
Stage one: fans complain that without George Lucas the series has no soul now.
Stage two: fans point out that Lucas was far more solely responsible for the prequels than for the original trilogy.
Stage three: fans begin retroactively appreciating the prequels as hidden gems of genius that only equal geniuses can truly understand.
Disney doesn't give two shites. They could crap out something and slap a Star Wars label on it and it will earn a billion dollars.
Step 1: STIR WIIIRS EVERYBODY
Step 2: ? ? ?
Step 3: PROFIT!
I think they give at least two shiites -- they paid money up front to do this (and to buy the rights to do this), and not small amounts.
But they're interested in the aesthetics. If the story is great or not, they don't care. Or maybe some people care, but not enough in the right places.
It's all the difference in the world from Marvel, where some of the aesthetics matter (mainly on the hero side) but characterization also matters. Even there, the story only serves to put images up on screen and give the characters something to character at each other within.
What's worse about TLJ, however, is that the auteurs (writers/director) seem to be actively deriding the audience for caring about the past: the fans need to let the past die, and quit giving a crap about it, because it was nothing special after all.
This doesn't just come from Team Evil as their lesson, which could make sense in context. It comes from Team Good, too.
And there's a weird.... .......... I hate to say radical-left slant, but it's historically (in the real world) a radical-left slant. Burn it all down, crap on all of it, with nothing of any good quality to even replace it much less progress from it. But the progression is assumed to be guaranteed to happen anyway, and to be better than what came before, so don't worry about the details, just desecrate what came before.
Fittingly, the film ends with the proposition that an illusionary defense that didn't (as far as anyone knows) accomplish anything heroic and (as far as anyone knows) didn't even cost anyone anything heroic, somehow is good enough to light a spark of defiance to bring down space Nazis someday, perhaps.
Lord, the more I think about this film, the more I need to go back and binge Legend of the Galactic Heroes instead...
Meanwhile as a pallette cleanser (or however the French spell it)... this recent offering from Bad Lip Reading.
"Shame he won't be at the barbecue / then again I guess he is a barbecue. Technically, my lies are prob'ly true..." :smitten:
"Pretty soon you'll literally be trippin'"
"Guys! ...I think Dak is a
zombie!" "A what?" "A zombie!" "Wait, didn't your ship just get shot?!" "Yeah, but --
zombie!" "Okay, that
is terrible..."
(Note: technically this is an extension to a part of their 2015 ESB BLR.)
Let it haunt your very soul.
...I still don't believe they can fly.
Noooooooooo!!!!
MovieBob defends his review. And attacks critics as dumb, uninsightful, ungrateful, "one thousand percent" misogynist (those who don't agree that only misogyny explains their problems can just "confront their own biases"), essentially agrees with the Dark Side position in the film (with the excuse that it's also the position of the Jedi), brushes aside authorities not explaining their plans when it would make more sense to explain them...
Christ, Bob, even Mark Hamill, who has clearly swallowed lottttts of blue and other colored pills in his long life, thinks the film has severe problems, including in its portrayal of Luke.
I shall restrain from replying further to my internet superior here. I often like Bob's work, and usually respect it, but -- this can't be the best defense possible for the film. My nieces and plenty of other people love it without needing to resort to those explanations. ::)
Porgs can fly. If you throw one off a thousand foot cliff, he would fly until he hit the ground. So they can fly. Just in only one direction.
Haven't seen it yet - but did we all come out of the original trilogy going OMG that was aaamaaazing or did we bitch and moan like we're doing now but it's faded away in glorious rose tinted loveliness
Empire was amazing. Must have watched it at least 10 times in a theater.
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 18, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
Porgs can fly. If you throw one off a thousand foot cliff, he would fly until he hit the ground. So they can fly. Just in only one direction.
But that is not even the most important question.
The most important question is....Do they taste like chicken?
I would eat a porg before I would suck a giant seal tit. That WAS a tit, right? Please GOD let it have been a tit! Of course, Luke was on that island a very long time....
He grew up on blue "milk"
https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/942985473676496896
Oh, great. Might have to skip that last one. :(
http://www.newsweek.com/save-star-wars-angry-fans-petition-have-last-jedi-abandoned-and-remade-752222
^
ffs :idiot2: :knuppel2:
I'm going to see it again tonight. >:D
It's interesting to note the huge disparity between the critic and audience ratings for Last Jedi
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi
No worries. Now that Disney owns everything, they can have Doc Strange use the Time Stone to go back and remake all the shitty movies. O0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/movies/the-last-jedi-fans-critics.html
Quote from: mirth on December 18, 2017, 11:49:58 PM
He grew up on blue "milk"
My feelings bounced around on that one. I kind of appreciated the callback to the blue milk from the original SW (now Ep4), but it was so intentionally off-putting, but so was Yoda after his years of depressed solitude, so I got that idea, too, but then the overall thrust of the movie's theme seemed to be OLD STAR WARS SUX KILL IT LET IT DIE ACCEPT OUR HAND FOR THE GLORIOUS FUTURE WE WILL BUILD TOGETHER... And in that context, I have trouble appreciating the gag as intended to have any positive value. :-\
Red Letter Media eschews the usual framing device for Half in the Bag and goes straight to the surprisingly nuanced review.
Short version: it's a beautiful mess like Homer Simpson's makeup shotgun. "But Homer, you set it on whore!"
(I realize they're being metaphorical, but the metaphor seems a bit broken: aesthetically it wasn't a mess.)
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 18, 2017, 08:32:58 PM
Haven't seen it yet - but did we all come out of the original trilogy going OMG that was aaamaaazing or did we bitch and moan like we're doing now but it's faded away in glorious rose tinted loveliness
I came out of the original trilogy going OMG that was aamaaazing -- with some caveats (Ewoks? sigh). One of those caveats was young me being a little disappointed that ESB was so different, and not in a way I was comfortable with.
But even then I respected ESB. Young-teen me (tween?) might not have been able to articulate why, but old geek me can articulate it: the film
respected what it was deconstructing and transgressing expectations about; and it respected me / the audience; and it was
competent in differentiating its plot. Also, it introduced a number of genuinely new things that turned out to be worth introducing.
None of those seem true, to me, about TLJ.
As a further comparison, I am fully and sometimes painfully aware of shortcomings in the prequel trilogy. But I have
never hated them; I have always respected them (overall, I mean it's hard to respect Jar Jar); and I have
gladly rewatched them all, many times, and of my own free will.
The same is true for R1 and Ep7, although naturally to a lesser extent on rewatches since those are much newer films.
I cannot imagine intentionally watching TLJ again, except as a means to something else (e.g. spending time with the nieces, or as a plot bridge once Ep9 has come out and proven its own worth.) I can't even imagine
buying it for my collection.
I watched a bit of RLM's Last Jedi "nerd crew podcast" video. It took me a few seconds before I realized they were trashing it. Subtle, those guys.
do any of you people know how to just have fun and enjoy something without nitpicking it to pieces?
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 19, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
do any of you people know how to just have fun and enjoy something without nitpicking it to pieces?
Only by keeping it to 10 words or less.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 19, 2017, 02:40:38 PM
I watched a bit of RLM's Last Jedi "nerd crew podcast" video. It took me a few seconds before I realized they were trashing it. Subtle, those guys.
Actually, they were poking fun at pre-reviews on the internet, not trashing the film. Their actual review is waaaaaaaaay more nuanced.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 19, 2017, 02:58:40 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 19, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
do any of you people know how to just have fun and enjoy something without nitpicking it to pieces?
Only by keeping it to 10 words or less.
Some of us can nitpick it to pieces in 10 words or less, too. >:D
I had fun in the film -- but, and this is important, the film isn't
about having fun. (Which made the humor seem really wedged in.) Also, the film is
about nitpicking what came before to pieces, with anti-respect for it.
So... :-\ sure, I can turn off my brain and enjoy the pretty lights and sounds. The film actively trolls me if I try to enjoy it
more than that, and especially if I try to enjoy the
previous films more than that (despite
their problems, which I can easily do.)
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 19, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
do any of you people know how to just have fun and enjoy something without nitpicking it to pieces?
Exactly O0 :notworthy: :2funny:
Second time - better than the first.
Seriously - I get what you lot are saying - and I even saw some things myself - but I still came out thinking it was great.
Glad you enjoyed it both times, JD. I enjoyed it, but there were lots of issues.
If nerds can't nitpick a Star Wars movie, then what's the point of being a nerd?
^^ I am perfectly okay with other people enjoying it.
And maybe it'll grow on me over time; other films have done so. O0
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 19, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
do any of you people know how to just have fun and enjoy something without nitpicking it to pieces?
Like goat massage?
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 19, 2017, 05:47:52 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 19, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
do any of you people know how to just have fun and enjoy something without nitpicking it to pieces?
Like goat massage?
THAT'S IN THE FILM!
... .....uh, spoilers.
I thought the Luke/Chewbacca wedding was pretty touching myself.
The wookie got a medal, too!
(Finally.)
(For anyone who thought "That's in the film" was a joke, it wasn't. I mean, it was, but the joke is that it wasn't a joke. Except in the film, it's a joke in the film. A cruel, cruel joke. But I wasn't joking. Except it was funny. But not in the film. .......... I'm going to stop thinking about this movie for at least a week. It's bad for me.)
So.... this movie was really a musical. :o THAT'S why I missed all the arcs arching like skipping stones. I am getting old and I miss a lot.
Quote from: Sir Slash on December 20, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
So.... this movie was really a musical. :o
The Sound of Music in Space
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:DD
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https://theaviationist.com/2017/12/20/the-real-world-air-combat-origins-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi/
https://thechive.com/2017/12/22/star-wars-actors-back-in-their-much-younger-years-35-photos/
He was awwwwwwwfullly bitter in his pre-release press screenings. Could barely hold back his contempt. Easy to see why now. :-[
Watched Blood and Chrome again recently, for the first time in several years.
Immediately felt better. O0
I need to give B&C another watch. I have Razor on DVD too. I'll have to dig it out over the holiday vacation.
Sadly, it turns out my blu-ray is broken somehow. It gets into the second half of the film and goes insane (at least on my PS3).
I don't remember it doing this on the old Magnavox player downstairs, but regardless we only have Sonys in the house now.
Don't worry, JP. Maybe your mom will get you a new blu-ray player for Christmas? :) That would be cool.
Finally got to see it - irrespective of lore, and would he say that, and would that have happened, and disregarding its heritage I just thought it was a weak film, Star Wars or not
One thing that has held true through both sequels for me is the lack of a kick ass baddie because kylo Ren sucks - snoke was speaking to me on a personal level when he was calling him out for not been vaders heir and been weak because that's exactly how I feel and I almost laughed out loud when he basically said 'take the f****** pretend helmet off you ass hat' because again that's how I feel
Star Wars or not 5/10
Quote from: W8taminute on December 17, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way. Just came back from seeing the movie and I could tell by the third paragraph of the opening text roll that the movie was going to be lame. Twice while I was watching it I felt compelled to leave the theater. I hung in until the end and while the movie was filled with a good story about problem solving on the spot for our heroes there was something lacking.
I just didn't get a sense to why the rebels ended up in the situation they were in after their huge success in the first movie.
As for the major plot twists and surprises I won't spoil it for anyone but I was left scratching my head wondering what was that train wreck I just witnessed?
+1. I'm afraid this was my take as well. Loved The Force Awakens. But this? (https://www.grogheads.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aarcentral.com%2Fpics%2Fshakehead.gif&hash=d6326b4159f7e626ec4cddc26ebf21b107565a04) I thought Jar Jar Abrams was better suited to the Star Wars universe but not any more.
Yeah, it wasn't very good. It's hard to defend other than saying it was better than the prequels. And I'm not even sure of that statement.
Worst fricking slow speed chase since OJ Simpson.
I feel bad for Hamill. He deserved to go out with a decent script and a good tribute to his friend Carrie Fisher. Whether it meant going out as a good guy, or a bad guy, whatever. A bang instead of a whimper. At the very least, a coherent story line. What a mess.
Admiral Ackbar told me not to go see it. He said it was a.... you know. ;D
"... and Luke fades away like a hot fart."
https://youtu.be/R0QPCS4a84k
Best review ever!
Quote from: Centurion40 on December 26, 2017, 12:04:43 AM
Best review ever!
exactly O0
i saw the movie already on Mo. 12/18 but was not able to bring my thoughts satisfyingly into a written from.
that review is right on spot.
btw ...the next Disney Christmas special
about Kylo Ren Deer :o
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I enjoyed the movie, and despite the fanboys' moping about it, I thought it was a fun addition to the series.
The primary issue that I had with it is the hand-waving over the events between the last movie and this one with regards to *how* the First Order suddenly took control of the entire galaxy. At the end of Return of the Jedi, the empire had fallen; in The Force Awakens, the rebellion had re-established the republic in most of the galaxy, and then suddenly they're back to being a rebellion.
I get that there's only so much they want to cram into the movies, but it just seemed pretty major to have hand-waved over the whole thing with just a few short paragraphs of pre-movie scroll.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
I enjoyed the movie, and despite the fanboys' moping about it, I thought it was a fun addition to the series.
You bitched and bitched about Suicide Squad, but you give this a pass ::)
One doesn't have to be a "fanboy" to be able to detect plot holes, over-used tropes, poor characterization, disregard of canon, and general lack of storytelling ability. I actually enjoyed Lucas' prequel trilogy despite the occasional incoherence (I still don't understand the whole handmaiden/queen deception thing or why it was necessary) and awful dialogue. At least the characters all had reasonable motivation and interesting things to do.
This was just a hot mess.
I have no issue with the First Order storyline either. They always have the option to do additional works (novels, etc.) to describe the rise of the Order, but if it's not essential to the story they want to tell, I don't need to sit through another Star Wars political lecture to learn about it. I didn't need to know the back story of the Empire in order to enjoy the first film in 1977. Learning it over the course of the prequels was actually pretty cool.
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Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
I enjoyed the movie, and despite the fanboys' moping about it, I thought it was a fun addition to the series.
You bitched and bitched about Suicide Squad, but you give this a pass ::)
Because my expectations were very different for Suicide Squad. That was a first on-screen appearance for characters that had never had their stories told on-screen and had decades of development underneath them. And in the case of Harley Quinn, were never a significant part of the franchise that they should've even been in the movie in the first place.
Yes there were decades of stories for the Star Wars characters, but those all got jettisoned when Disney bought them. And I was pissed about that too, but at this point they aren't ever going to make an Heir to the Empire series, so there's no point bitching about it.
As to the 'continuity' for Rey, Finn, Poe, etc - it doesn't exist. It's not like they're betraying characters that all those years of development under them.
The continuity for Luke/Leia - to me, at least - was broken when Disney killed their previous continuity, so at this point, I don't really expect anything consistent and it doesn't bother me when it doesn't exist. I didn't like Luke's vindictiveness toward the Jedi, but again, we don't have years and years of post-Ep VI Luke continuity to follow up on.
The other dumb shit that I've seen people complain about the most, like the unnecessary Finn-and-Rose-detour-thru-a-casino-planet, was entertaining, but really showed how fractured the rebel chain of command is. I didn't buy emo-Laura-Dern as a credible battlefield commander, but the idea that a commander would be so close-hold on her plans, to the detriment of the rest of the organization? Seen that all over the place. Phasma was a useless character, but hey, they wanted to put Gwendoline Christie in a movie, so let 'em. Was Phasma under-used for the fact that they created a special set of armor and a particular character for her? Sure. But so what - she got to be in a pair of Star Wars movies, so good for her.
I'm not expressing much of this very well, and I don't feel like going back and re-editing to try to make it make sense.
My bitching about Suicide Squad was that they completely ignored key components of well-established characters in their first ever appearance on-screen.
My expectations for Star Wars are way lower because I don't see these as well-established characters anymore, since they killed the continuity of the characters
as I knew them over the past 20-odd years. So I don't expect them to conform to anything.
I never accepted the Extended Universe as canon. Lucas always made it very clear that while he didn't mind people playing in the universe, it was his creation and all that mattered were the movies.
I know you're a Zahn fanboy, but the EU books were middling at best. 95% of them were complete garbage and undermined the characters and the SW universe. Unfortunately, this latest movie has the quality of an EU novel when it comes to plot and character.
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Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
I enjoyed the movie, and despite the fanboys' moping about it, I thought it was a fun addition to the series.
You bitched and bitched about Suicide Squad, but you give this a pass ::)
Because my expectations were very different for Suicide Squad. That was a first on-screen appearance for characters that had never had their stories told on-screen and had decades of development underneath them. And in the case of Harley Quinn, were never a significant part of the franchise that they should've even been in the movie in the first place.
Yes there were decades of stories for the Star Wars characters, but those all got jettisoned when Disney bought them. And I was pissed about that too, but at this point they aren't ever going to make an Heir to the Empire series, so there's no point bitching about it.
As to the 'continuity' for Rey, Finn, Poe, etc - it doesn't exist. It's not like they're betraying characters that all those years of development under them.
The continuity for Luke/Leia - to me, at least - was broken when Disney killed their previous continuity, so at this point, I don't really expect anything consistent and it doesn't bother me when it doesn't exist. I didn't like Luke's vindictiveness toward the Jedi, but again, we don't have years and years of post-Ep VI Luke continuity to follow up on.
The other dumb shit that I've seen people complain about the most, like the unnecessary Finn-and-Rose-detour-thru-a-casino-planet, was entertaining, but really showed how fractured the rebel chain of command is. I didn't buy emo-Laura-Dern as a credible battlefield commander, but the idea that a commander would be so close-hold on her plans, to the detriment of the rest of the organization? Seen that all over the place. Phasma was a useless character, but hey, they wanted to put Gwendoline Christie in a movie, so let 'em. Was Phasma under-used for the fact that they created a special set of armor and a particular character for her? Sure. But so what - she got to be in a pair of Star Wars movies, so good for her.
I'm not expressing much of this very well, and I don't feel like going back and re-editing to try to make it make sense.
My bitching about Suicide Squad was that they completely ignored key components of well-established characters in their first ever appearance on-screen.
My expectations for Star Wars are way lower because I don't see these as well-established characters anymore, since they killed the continuity of the characters as I knew them over the past 20-odd years. So I don't expect them to conform to anything.
All of these things
Troll Brant with Suicide Squad - achievement unlocked.
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 08:15:07 AMI know you're a Zahn fanboy, but the EU books were middling at best. 95% of them were complete garbage and undermined the characters and the SW universe.
I was a fan of Heir to the Empire, not everything else from the original extended continuity. I like the art on the first of the 2 Dark Empire comic series, but Dark Empire II was pretty crap, as was most anything after that.
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 08:17:56 AM
Troll Brant with Suicide Squad - achievement unlocked.
go shovel a blizzard
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2017, 08:08:55 AM
The other dumb shit that I've seen people complain about the most, like the unnecessary Finn-and-Rose-detour-thru-a-casino-planet, was entertaining, but really showed how fractured the rebel chain of command is. I didn't buy emo-Laura-Dern as a credible battlefield commander, but the idea that a commander would be so close-hold on her plans, to the detriment of the rest of the organization? Seen that all over the place. Phasma was a useless character, but hey, they wanted to put Gwendoline Christie in a movie, so let 'em. Was Phasma under-used for the fact that they created a special set of armor and a particular character for her? Sure. But so what - she got to be in a pair of Star Wars movies, so good for her.
You talk about other people being "fanboys" but you've done the classic fanboy review - the only details you've discussed are negative details and you've not stated a single thing you actually liked.
So what did you actually like about the film? You never said.
What I get from this is that you think it's a bad movie, but you like it anyway. Fair enough, I like plenty of bad movies.
This movie absolutely blew. I'm not sure how any true Star Wars fan could feel otherwise. I mean really, special effects aside, the movie is utter garbage.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2017, 08:58:20 AM
This movie absolutely blew. I'm not sure how any true Star Wars fan could feel otherwise. I mean really, special effects aside, the movie is utter garbage.
Increasingly, this is how I feel about it. I really tried to like it, but it was not good.
I've only seen it the one time so maybe my opinion will change after additional viewings, but I doubt it.
Yeah, I'll see it again too. I have mixed feelings about it, but I loved that puppet's review.
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on December 26, 2017, 08:48:53 AM
You talk about other people being "fanboys" but you've done the classic fanboy review - the only details you've discussed are negative details and you've not stated a single thing you actually liked.
Fair point.
I liked that Snoke's guards actually seemed to be worthy fighters and not just a bunch of ceremonial statues
I liked that Snoke's death came out of nowhere compared to the big showdown-at-the-end in Ep VI
I didn't bother me that Luke didn't hold the Jedi to the same level of veneration that everyone else did in the prequels
I like the seed of rebellion that Finn and Rose planted in the stablekids and I enjoyed the casino hijinks
I like that Poe is a trigger-happy wingnut and acts very impulsively, because
none of us know anyone like that, do we?
I thought the force-connection scenes w/ Kylo and Rey seemed a bit... forced (yes, I went there) but I understand how they helped move the story some
I enjoyed some of the out-of-nowhere quips, like when Rey tells Luke "I've seen your daily routine..."
I like that many of the characters are acting on fist impulse and not working through some methodical life plan that a scriptwriter has clearly laid out for them. That unpredictability probably bothers a lot of people, but I'm fine w/ it.
I don't believe that Rey's parents were necessarily a bunch of junk-traders when it's easy enough for Kylo to lie to her in manipulating her to attaching herself to him. Besides, how would he know either way?
All in all, I was entertained, and it didn't feel like anyone was really "breaking" the Star Wars universe, which is a common criticism I've heard from others. It's not necessarily the story *I* would tell, but I'm also not the film-maker, so it's not really my say :)
Quote from: Centurion40 on December 26, 2017, 09:08:22 AM
Yeah, I'll see it again too. I have mixed feelings about it, but I loved that puppet's review.
I took Bayonet Jr to see it on Friday. Mrs B and I are going to see it either tomorrow or Thursday. I think 2-1/2 hours would be taxing Bayonette's attention span.
How old is she now?
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
How old is she now?
7, but she's also only seen parts of the previous Star Wars movies, despite my best efforts, so trying to make her pay attention to a long one is a fool's errand
Every time we try to watch one of them, as soon as the lightsabers come out, she rushes to her brother's closet, digs out one of his old toy lightsabers, and starts fighting along with the screen, and then wants to start choreographing the Lightsaber Ballet in our living room, which seems to necessitate popcorn, strobe lights, and a Katy Perry soundtrack. So I just kind of gave up trying to get her to sit thru them and we'll get around to them eventually.
Lightsaber Ballet, awesome.
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on December 24, 2017, 10:54:18 PM
Worst fricking slow speed chase since OJ Simpson.
I feel bad for Hamill. He deserved to go out with a decent script and a good tribute to his friend Carrie Fisher. Whether it meant going out as a good guy, or a bad guy, whatever. A bang instead of a whimper. At the very least, a coherent story line. What a mess.
That's as bad as the WW2 bombing stuff. And why didn't the Rebel ships jump in different directions ah-la BSG style? They couldn't have followed all of them. Isn't that better than dying?
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^Completely agree...they are killing off all the heroes from the original series and destroying their legacies by turning them into book-burning, anti-religious, cowards. Meanwhile, women have taken over the rebellion in order to stick it to the irrational, brash and testosterone filled little men. I guess the new millennial audiences would approve of nothing less.
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Quote from: Michael Dorosh on December 24, 2017, 10:54:18 PM
Worst fricking slow speed chase since OJ Simpson.
I feel bad for Hamill. He deserved to go out with a decent script and a good tribute to his friend Carrie Fisher. Whether it meant going out as a good guy, or a bad guy, whatever. A bang instead of a whimper. At the very least, a coherent story line. What a mess.
That's as bad as the WW2 bombing stuff. And why didn't the Rebel ships jump in different directions ah-la BSG style? They couldn't have followed all of them. Isn't that better than dying?
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Why wouldn't the First Order jump more ships in to cut off the Resistance? Why not launch every TIE fighter you have to try and damage them enough to allow your capital ships to catch up? That whole slow speed chase was beyond stupid.
And why the frak would the Resistance bombers maintain a tight formation when a hit to a single bomber then took out the nearby bombers? Was this their first time employing bombers?
^Exactly. And there were a lot of head scratching moments in the movie.
Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 09:41:26 AMWas this their first time employing bombers?
it might've been - do you remember any other sequence with the rebels using real bombers?
plus the whole mission was planned by a fighter pilot
plus, the target area was pretty small so spreading out the bombers would've put them over useless targets
But then again, how many movies use tactical formations that are
waaaaay too clustered together so they can get them all in the frame? Why is every battle scene outside of Saving Private Ryan choreographed to the Tactical Doctrine of Braveheart, instead of spreading out for survivability and letting the range on the weapons do their things? So that's bad tactics, but there are reasonable in-story explanations for their bad tactics.
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Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 09:41:26 AMWas this their first time employing bombers?
it might've been - do you remember any other sequence with the rebels using real bombers?
Not buying it.
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plus the whole mission was planned by a fighter pilot
I'll give you that.
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plus, the target area was pretty small so spreading out the bombers would've put them over useless targets
The target was massive.
we're such a bunch of nerds
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Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2017, 10:41:23 AM
plus, the target area was pretty small so spreading out the bombers would've put them over useless targets
The target was massive.
The Dreadnought was massive. But didn't they need to hit that one specific area, kind of like a repeat of either Death Star Battle?
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Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 26, 2017, 10:41:23 AM
plus, the target area was pretty small so spreading out the bombers would've put them over useless targets
The target was massive.
The Dreadnought was massive. But didn't they need to hit that one specific area, kind of like a repeat of either Death Star Battle?
I know that last bomber did seem to hit something that seemed to be a vital part of the ship, but even still they would have been better off approaching from multiple angles instead of in a dense cluster that allowed one hit to take out multiple bombers.
And that definitely wasn't the first time the Resistance used bombers against capital ships - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cobalt_Squadron_(Resistance) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cobalt_Squadron_(Resistance))
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Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 11:25:48 AM
And that definitely wasn't the first time the Resistance used bombers against capital ships - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cobalt_Squadron_(Resistance (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cobalt_Squadron_(Resistance))
Cool - I don't think I knew about them
Are you guys really debating the use of sound logical tactics in a movie where there is apparently gravity and oxygen...in SPACE!?!?!
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2017, 11:53:05 AM
Are you guys really debating the use of sound logical tactics in a movie where there is apparently gravity and oxygen...in SPACE!?!?!
Yeah, I know. The reason why the bomber thing stood out to me is that the squadron leader specifically says, "Keep it tight" or something along those lines. And a few seconds later one bomber gets hit and takes out two more. So much for the tight formation. :D
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2017, 11:53:05 AMAre you guys really debating the use of sound logical tactics in a movie
we could probably truncate it to this
BSG did pretty good with the space combat. At least the capital ships had robust AA defenses, missiles were widely used, the flight characteristics of the fighters were somewhat realistic.
Always kind of bugged me that the Galactica could take nuke hits like she did, but compared to Star Wars or Star Trek, BSG was high realism :P
Begun the Grog Wars have. Intently watching am I.
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Quote from: mirth on December 26, 2017, 10:48:32 AM
we're such a bunch of nerds
Yes ...yes you are :nerd: :bd: cool nerds though :coolsmiley:
Pretty sure cool nerds is an oxymoron. And I've met some of the people that are trying to pass themselves off as such. I promise you that they are at least one of those two words. And not the one associated with cold.
Quote from: MetalDog on December 26, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
Pretty sure cool nerds is an oxymoron. And I've met some of the people that are trying to pass themselves off as such. I promise you that they are at least one of those two words. And not the one associated with cold.
Stop contradicting me ...or else , lol :P you shall feel my nerd rage ;)
That's ok. I'm pretty immune to most of it. The only thing that sets me off that way is what they had to do to LotR to get in on the big screen.
Pretty sure there can be cool nerds just like there can be 'jumbo shrimp' and 'living dead'. A Miniature Giant Space Hamster told me it was so. :coolsmiley:
^ you know it makes sense !!!! I believe sir slash . if a miniature giant space hamster told him so , who am I to argue with that ;)
Star Wars Eps 4 and 5, Rey Editions
On the other hand, AngryJoe is willing to retract some of his criticisms after a 2nd and 3rd viewing.
(And with lots of help from the extended canon.)
Turns out if you read enough extended content, the movie makes a little more sense ::)
Brilliant review. :DD
(NSFW= some language)
^awesome!
"The fundamental problem with Disney's creativity is it's severely lacking"
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
:'(
Studios exist to make money. If they make a pile of shite that panders to everything under the sun and it makes a billion dollars despite having a 52% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, they're going to continue to make formulaic crap that panders to everything under the sun to keep chasing those dollars. Nobody's interested in taking risks any more, not in the major studios anyway.
With Abrams directing Star Wars IX, I have little hope that it will be good. He effed up Trek and know he's pretty well effed up Star Wars.
Like mirth I did a little extended reading - I'm not sure the sources are right but I'm to believe the 'there is another' at the end of new hope was never meant to be leia, it's Rey, and Ben is the father???? Leading to a new Ben film?
What?
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 27, 2017, 05:17:45 PM
Like mirth I did a little extended reading - I'm not sure the sources are right but I'm to believe the 'there is another' at the end of new hope was never meant to be leia, it's Rey, and Ben is the father???? Leading to a new Ben film?
I think the issue the hardcore fans are having is that you just did more reading than the director and the screenwriter. :-)
I'm not heavily invested in the universe and lore so my own objections are just based on the film as entertainment, and for me, it was a fail, regardless of whether the show fits into the canon or not.
While it is a bit annoying to have this build up to the reveal of the parents go nowhere, I suppose this is film 2, and it may be some weird surprise in film 3. The in-film source of the info is a bit of an unreliable one, and this being SF, they can take it anywhere.
Empire had been criticized for not having a satisfying ending, but the groundbreaking visuals of the Hoth battle (for the time) and the huge "I am your father" twist saved it. I didn't see anything to really save this one.
The FX were really all this mess had going and there were things that bothered me about some of those. As someone mentioned up-thread, the flames coming out of the A-Wing engine just looked cheap.
https://twitter.com/Mick_Cook/status/945946829245394944
Quote from: Michael Dorosh on December 27, 2017, 06:30:30 PMEmpire had been criticized for not having a satisfying ending
That's what life is, just a series of down endings
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2017, 09:35:44 AM
^Completely agree...they are killing off all the heroes from the original series and destroying their legacies by turning them into book-burning, anti-religious, cowards. Meanwhile, women have taken over the rebellion in order to stick it to the irrational, brash and testosterone filled little men. I guess the new millennial audiences would approve of nothing less.
The main male characters were either evil or buffoonish. The female characters were the strong leaders required to guide and inspire the men.
Quote from: mirth on December 27, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
With Abrams directing Star Wars IX, I have little hope that it will be good. He effed up Trek and know he's pretty well effed up Star Wars.
JJ is the Paul Feig of Star Wars.
Just got home from seeing it. Not as terrible as some here think, but not very strong. The whole chase thing I thought was pretty bad.
What I would really like to know, is the history of the galaxy from the fall of the Empire in the Return of the Jedi and the rise of the New Order in the Force Awakens.
The one thing that has always frustrated me about Star Wars (and Star Trek also) is the whole sense of time and distance. Days went by for Rey and Luke, but hours for the others. Or that's what it seemed. Also, how everyone seems to know about each planet. A galaxy of billions of stars and planets, but people knew exactly which planet was being talked about.
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Quote from: Jarhead0331 on December 26, 2017, 09:35:44 AM
^Completely agree...they are killing off all the heroes from the original series and destroying their legacies by turning them into book-burning, anti-religious, cowards. Meanwhile, women have taken over the rebellion in order to stick it to the irrational, brash and testosterone filled little men. I guess the new millennial audiences would approve of nothing less.
The main male characters were either evil or buffoonish. The female characters were the strong leaders required to guide and inspire the men.
Also, the film expects the viewer to agree that the male heroes are actually
right to be book-burning, anti-religious cowards. (I realize Finn wasn't really being a coward when trying to leave the ship, but the way the film portrayed it made it seem like his sidequest partner was fully justified in tasing him.)
(Um, spoiler.)
I realize from a logistic standpoint they couldn't just do the Zahn trilogy -- which was officially designated canon by Lucas by the way -- because the principal actors were far too old to be doing the sorts of things in that series and also to be playing parts starting a few months after Ep 6 (regardless of how much de-aging CGI might be used, which would be half the budget!) Or would require the heresy of recasting the principals (and to be fair they're taking a dangerous risk messing with the Solo solo film this way).
But he's a proven writer the fans respect. They could and should have driven a dump truck full of cash up to Timothy's house and said "Come here, write us a trilogy, and be quick about it, there's more where this came from."
Poor Kylo. He resists the temptation to blast his mother on the bridge of the ship, and then the guy behind him does it for him. That would be my luck. :pullhair:
Quote from: OJsDad on December 27, 2017, 10:28:48 PM
Also, how everyone seems to know about each planet. A galaxy of billions of stars and planets, but people knew exactly which planet was being talked about.
it was in the galactic news ;)
here on Earth we have ten thousend of cities and regions and when some shit happens its in the global main news
did you ever heard before about a Rohingya tribe in Myanmar (that we Grogs better now as Burma) ? ...now on the move after getting expelled to Bangladesh (which i also just learned is a major Muslim country, while i though they where mostly catholic or hindu)
i did not before it was in the prime time TV news
for the Star Wars universe we so have to assume a Tachyons based communication network
(a Tachyon is a theoretical proposed particle family -or better a valid mathematical solution to some theoretic physics equitation- that by definition are always faster then light speed. That's the mathematical trick ....explaining further is to deep a Sheldon stuff and i am more a very medicore Leonard)
I've seen it twice. Really enjoyed it for what it is.
I consider myself a huge SW fan, but I'm not overly critical of these movies. Everyone has a right to blast something for what ever reason they want, but I chuckle at the over the top critical bashing of a movie (and in fairness the over gushing of a movie too).
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I choose to go into these movies with an open mind. I don't go in as a critical thinking adult. I go in as a wide eyed 10 yr old (the same 10 year old who first saw the original).
Geek on Grogs O0
still stands :)
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why is chancellor Merkel in the picture as Palpatine ?
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... never mind, we Germans already learned that the hart way :o
:2funny:
;D
some decent arguments in here
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/9kdd97/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review-makes-prequels-good
https://www.facebook.com/HamillHimself/photos/a.1389005678095228.1073741828.1387651274897335/1899950237000767/?type=3&theater
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I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make a good movie. I got more than that- Rian Johnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill
Sounds like the Disney Mafia told Mark to STFU.
Quote from: MikeGER on December 28, 2017, 11:08:43 AM
why is chancellor Merkel in the picture as Palpatine ?
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... never mind, we Germans already learned that the hart way :o
:2funny:
Quote from: BanzaiCat on December 28, 2017, 05:13:10 PM
Sounds like the Disney Mafia told Mark to STFU.
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Did they threaten to wad him up and toss him away, too, like his character? :smiley6600:
EDIT: So he had actually signed up for the new SW movies back when Lucas was still supposed to be involved? Ouch. No wonder he looks on the verge of workplace violence.
'We have ways to get you to shut up.'
True. Donald Duck actually spoke with an English accent until he got out of line. :coolsmiley: These guys play for keeps.
We can make all the jokes we want, but Hamill's bread and butter is as a voice actor. It does him no good to displease his new Masters at Diznee.
Gwendoline, NOOOOOOO!
Quote from: mirth on December 28, 2017, 07:46:40 PM
We can make all the jokes we want, but Hamill's bread and butter is as a voice actor. It does him no good to displease his new Masters at Diznee.
Hamill's bread and butter better be investments from the lucre he has hauled in over the years every time someone connected to Lucasarts wanted to use his voice and/or likeness in a product somewhere.
As for his other side-income, being the definitive voice of the Joker and some occasional spin-offs from that work (such as guest-starring as his original DC villain role the Prankster, from which he got the job as the Joker eventually, on the new Flash show {inhale})... again, I hope he invested that money somewhere smart, and is living off the dividends not the principal. But Disney doesn't own Warner Brothers, much less DC, yet. Disney looks to be burying Luke Skywalker and the Star Wars past, regardless if it's a respectful send-off or a slash-and-burn salted earth icepick-to-the-temple campaign, so one way or another that train ride is at an end.
The lawyers probably threatened him with libel or something along the line of malicious product devalue, so now he's pretending he only just recently saw the finished product and what they did with him was waaaay cooler than he thought. ::) Either way his main career has flumped to a halt (again, after a brief and kind of sad reanimation), and whatever he can do to safely make peace with that is up to him. But as long as he doesn't end up on the wrong side of a defamation suit, he can get work elsewhere for nostalgia's sake in several ways.
I don't blame him being bitter about how things have turned out, beyond his control. Or, really, for protecting himself from litigation. Or who knows, maybe his about-face is genuine somehow. <:-)
It's funny that no one is considering that Hamill might have actually changed his mind, rather than have Disney change it for him.
Isn't that at least a possibility?
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2017, 08:27:14 AM
It's funny that no one is considering that Hamill might have actually changed his mind, rather than have Disney change it for him.
Isn't that at least a possibility?
Sure it's possible.
So is me winning the Powerball and MegaMillions lottery in the same week. Possible yes; will it happen? No way in hell.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2017, 08:27:14 AM
It's funny that no one is considering that Hamill might have actually changed his mind, rather than have Disney change it for him.
Isn't that at least a possibility?
Since there are few people of principle left in Hollywood, that is highly likely.
This forum is so jaded! :P
Quote from: acctingman on December 28, 2017, 09:38:48 AM
I've seen it twice. Really enjoyed it for what it is.
I consider myself a huge SW fan, but I'm not overly critical of these movies. Everyone has a right to blast something for what ever reason they want, but I chuckle at the over the top critical bashing of a movie (and in fairness the over gushing of a movie too).
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I choose to go into these movies with an open mind. I don't go in as a critical thinking adult. I go in as a wide eyed 10 yr old (the same 10 year old who first saw the original).
Geek on Grogs O0
This.
My wife and I saw it yesterday and we both enjoyed it. Sure I cringed at the "bombers in space" and the slow speed chase but my wife didn't catch those things as she's not a war happy nerd that I am.
One of the things I think we, us old farts, need to get over is that the movies are made for teenagers not grown adults with sharply reasoning minds and years of life experience.
The original movies were made for teens and that's about where all of us saw them the first time. And somehow we expected them to mature with us. Well they didn't, they aren't being made for us old jaded farts. Get over it. :P
Quote from: Barthheart on December 29, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
grown adults with sharply reasoning minds
Well, that leaves most of us out!
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2017, 08:27:14 AM
It's funny that no one is considering that Hamill might have actually changed his mind, rather than have Disney change it for him.
Isn't that at least a possibility?
It made 800 million in 2 weeks - and they killed him off - I think they don't give a fk what he thinks
Changed his mind he could have. But a Disney-Force Mind Trick I suspect.
Quote from: JasonPratt on December 29, 2017, 12:23:02 AM
I don't blame him being bitter about how things have turned out, beyond his control. Or, really, for protecting himself from litigation. Or who knows, maybe his about-face is genuine somehow. <:-)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 29, 2017, 08:27:14 AM
It's funny that no one is considering that Hamill might have actually changed his mind, rather than have Disney change it for him.
Isn't that at least a possibility?
::) It's funny that your question immediately followed my last statement that "maybe his about-face is genuine somehow". Which I thought amounted to considering his change of mind an actual possibility.
As to how his about-face might be genuine somehow, I came up with a plausible theory this morning while doing nothing useful at the moment with my life. >:D L:-)
The short version is that someone pointed out to him that his comments are giving Alex Jones ammunition to complain about the radical-left thrust of the film, and he suddenly understood the film in a new light that hadn't occurred to him before -- or at least he's now glad it's annoying those imperial nazis over there, so he's willing to back it now.
The longer version is that the films have always had a subtle but real radical-left slant, ever since Lucas wanted to make Apocalypse Now but left that for his buddy Coppola while he went off to do Star Wars instead: a film that Lucas and his cast saw as evocative of the Viet Cong standing up to the Imperial United States (except with an outcome far more palatable than what really happened). Mark Hamill still runs that way, as evidenced by some of his commentary during recent weeks while he was barely restraining himself from badmouthing the film. If he ever read the many thinkpieces friendly to the film's thrust, from a radical left perspective, he'd naturally be in a position to legitimately change his mind to some real extent about the cultural merits of the film. (And then of course add the bitter tears of the people he regards as the imperialist nazi-types.)
This theory fits a genuine change of perspective about the merits of the film, in a way that makes sense to his cultural beliefs, which he genuinely might not have been in a position to notice before. It also makes sense to the content of his about-face comments so far.
Just saw it with the family and we liked it.
For what it's worth, it seems to follow rather closely to Lucas' avowed intent to recreate a Saturday morning serial. Like Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers.
In those movie serials, logic often went out the door. Ridiculous things happened, and people made stupid errors. It wasn't high art and was never meant to be anything but a fun show.
The bomber attack was kind of silly, but my take is that it follows another one of Lucas' tropes. He mentioned in an interview his admiration for the average american joe who fought and won World War II.
Thinking about that sequence, the thought came that Poe was Cdr Johnny Waldron and the bombers were Torpedo Squadron 8.
This time they managed to put one into Kaga and take her out.
Halfway through the movie, I was guessing that in the next movie, Laura Dern would be Tanaka Raizo and would refight Tassafaranga.
Going out to see it right now!!!
I finally saw this tonight ! And fwiw this is my take on it .
*spoiler alerts *........although I'd say the majority of people have seen this movie by now !!
When Kylo Ren kills snoke , I finally believed in him as a villain ! In the force awakens he seemed like a very weak character , I never believed that he would be as bad as a darth Vader character . But , I actually do now think that he can pull of the bad guy villain image that he's supposed to be playing .
It goes without saying , that I loved all of the scenery that was shot on location in Ireland :) And I do think that it added to the whole mystery of the Jedi and Luke .i think the scenery played a character all by itself ....but that just might be my artsy tendencies !
The explosion of the dreadnought was beyond awesome :D at the beginning of the movie .And there was also another explosion , and it was silent to begin with , and I thought that had a huge impact dramatically .
It annoyed me that Luke just disappeared into the light :tickedoff: He was one of the major characters ,I think they could have come up with something more imaginative than that ! I thought it was sad to see Chewie without Han Solo :( But that's because I always loved them as a double act .
Overall , I enjoyed it . It's not my favourite . But I still found it entertaining ....it's Star Wars , as soon as the opening words appear ...in a galaxy far far away ...I get goosebumps , and I'm hooked !! Lol . I guess I'm easy prey for Disney , so be it :)
I saw it with my daughter and her boyfriend. They were running late because of traffic and I was annoyed and getting snippy. They didn't get to the theater until after the posted start time. Now I'm
really annoyed. We hustle into the building and take a minute to figure out where to redeem our tickets purchased via internet, which doesn't improve my mood. Finally, we get to the doors into the movie and as we are walking up the ramp, scrolling up the screen is the opening scroll. Instant goosebumps! I threw my arms straight above my head and silently cheered, "We made it right on time!!!"
Quote from: besilarius on December 29, 2017, 05:07:22 PM
For what it's worth, it seems to follow rather closely to Lucas' avowed intent to recreate a Saturday morning serial. Like Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers.
In those movie serials, logic often went out the door. Ridiculous things happened, and people made stupid errors. It wasn't high art and was never meant to be anything but a fun show.
I was always under that impression, too.
I thought it was a little bloated and could have been cut down to about 1 hour 45 minutes, but other than that I thought it was very good. I also loved the destruction of the star destroyer. And the humor was a little much, but I appreciated it. Out of the last three films I still like Rogue One the best, then probably The Last Jedi, and then The Force Awakens. Of course my all time favorite is Empire :)
I find myself missing the old characters, but that's probably because I am now...older :/ It was good to see Luke again.
Oh and the dreadnought was beyond bad ass. To avoid difficulties with physics in Star Wars movies I just turn my brain off. I enjoyed the bomber sequence.
Quote from: Gusington on December 29, 2017, 11:10:22 PM
Out of the last three films I still like Rogue One the best...
I still wonder what
Rogue One would've been like before the execs had it chopped & re-filmed. It was reportedly a darker war movie before they redid some of it.
I would like to have seen the war movie version. But I guess Disney was too piss-scared people would take their 8-year olds to see Hamburger-Hill-In-Space? Booo. I want some grim offshoots of the IP; something a bit different. Not more ewoks or stuffed porg toy advertising.
Guess I said the same thing about Star Trek movies. *shrug* What can I say? I grew up watching war movies with my old man, not Disney. No complaints at all. ;)
Quote from: Gusington on December 29, 2017, 11:10:22 PM
I thought it was a little bloated and could have been cut down to about 1 hour 45 minutes, but other than that I thought it was very good. I also loved the destruction of the star destroyer. And the humor was a little much, but I appreciated it. Out of the last three films I still like Rogue One the best, then probably The Last Jedi, and then The Force Awakens. Of course my all time favorite is Empire :)
I find myself missing the old characters, but that's probably because I am now...older :/ It was good to see Luke again.
Oh and the dreadnought was beyond bad ass. To avoid difficulties with physics in Star Wars movies I just turn my brain off. I enjoyed the bomber sequence.
I couldn't agree more - with all of this
O0 :notworthy:
Rogue one is my favourite too. I saw it twice in the cinema, and the ending gets me everytime :'( I think it'll become a classic in time.
^You inspire me. I think I will watch Rogue One again, tonight :)
Quote from: Gusington on December 30, 2017, 05:44:04 PM
^You inspire me. I think I will watch Rogue One again, tonight :)
Well, I'm glad to be inspiring anyone at the moment , lol , so I hope you enjoy watching it again O0 of course it's obligatory that you have loads of popcorn and a few beers ....just to get into the cinematic spirit of things ! Of course you'd have to smuggle the beers in .....don't want you getting thrown out of your own living room :D
I was thinking of just doing a Star Wars marathon , watching all the movies again , but in sequence . Not sure how many nights that would take ...but it's a worthy endeavor I think :) Star Wars mood ...I am in <:-)
finally saw it yesterday.
when a fucking stupid movie.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
finally saw it yesterday.
when a fucking stupid movie.
What happened to just having fun?
As somewhat of an expert on 'stupid fucking', I approve and elect to go see this one again. Maybe I missed something.
^ Super funny! :2funny: But let's go easy on the f-bombs, please.
Quote from: mirth on December 31, 2017, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
finally saw it yesterday.
when a fucking stupid movie.
What happened to just having fun?
I tried to do that, I really did.
the slow as balls bombing run made no sense after decades of high speed fighters. the chase made no sense at all. I can forgive the fuel plot hole but what about the 1000s of fighters the Order ships carried? for that matter why not jump some of those ships ahead of the Rebels? then there was the bladder bursting length of the movie. I could go on but its time to start drinking.
I agree with all the above including the drinking.
Not enough hawt goat action.
Bladder bursting?
You old fart!
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: mirth on December 31, 2017, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 03:03:25 PM
finally saw it yesterday.
when a fucking stupid movie.
What happened to just having fun?
I tried to do that, I really did.
the slow as balls bombing run made no sense after decades of high speed fighters. the chase made no sense at all. I can forgive the fuel plot hole but what about the 1000s of fighters the Order ships carried? for that matter why not jump some of those ships ahead of the Rebels? then there was the bladder bursting length of the movie. I could go on but its time to start drinking.
Pretty much the same criticisms I had.
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 31, 2017, 04:39:46 PM
Bladder bursting?
You old fart!
you drink 5 beers and sit still for almost 3 hours.
this movie also missed a great opportunity with Canto Bite or whatever the hell its called.
Monte Carlo in space its not. no one cares about horse racing in MC, its all about Formula 1. F1 in set in the SW universe woulda been cool, like pod racing on steroids. stupid aspca horse racing was not cool.
Hamills acting was flatter then Mirths sex life. Though I did like the hologram trick at the end.
all in all I found this movie to be full of missed chances of being good and a far far cry from what Rouge One was.
'Moulin Rouge One'
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Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 31, 2017, 04:39:46 PM
Bladder bursting?
You old fart!
you drink 5 beers and sit still for almost 3 hours.
We know you like sitting in your own urine.
the rest of us not so much.
Time to invest in adult diapers
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 06:25:28 PM
Quote from: mirth on December 31, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on December 31, 2017, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: undercovergeek on December 31, 2017, 04:39:46 PM
Bladder bursting?
You old fart!
you drink 5 beers and sit still for almost 3 hours.
We know you like sitting in your own urine.
the rest of us not so much.
Time to invest in adult diapers
Perhaps, but I know how to correctly quote a post.
Quote from: Emeraldlis on December 30, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
Rogue one is my favourite too. I saw it twice in the cinema, and the ending gets me everytime :'( I think it'll become a classic in time.
Agreed. My kid hated it. He mostly liked the new one on now wants to go to Ireland and visit the island where Luke lived.
^Give him time.
Quote from: Centurion40 on December 31, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: Emeraldlis on December 30, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
Rogue one is my favourite too. I saw it twice in the cinema, and the ending gets me everytime :'( I think it'll become a classic in time.
Agreed. My kid hated it. He mostly liked the new one on now wants to go to Ireland and visit the island where Luke lived.
I hope you get to do that , because Ireland is a special place , with some really spectacular scenery :) I'm fairly sure that the place where they shot that is somewhere in county Kerry ....probably on the peninsula were the very touristy ring of Kerry is . Which is just a road that goes right around the peninsula, but it's supposed to be beautiful .I've lived here for 14 years , and I still haven't done it ! Although I've been to Kerry a few times and it really is stunning in places ...like Dingle , which is a small fishing town , it's lovely . I think those houses in the film , I remember reading that they used to be monk's cells , where the monks used to live . And I thought it was clever in the movie the last Jedi , how they made the little alien creatures look like nuns ( the ones who fixed the wall when Rey shot a hole in it ,when she connected with kylo ren/Ben ) I thought it was clever how they gave a "nod" to the heritage of that place :)
I know there's a lot wrong with the movie , and I agreed with others on here who said it went on for far to long .it could have been shorter . But then again , I also think they got some parts right . And I wouldn't have minded the length of the movie , if it had blown me away .
I just don't get all the nerd rage about this movie :o
edit: not so much here, but on other forums I frequent
as a person that knows military history and plays wargames there is a lot of stupid shit in this movie and those like it.
It's not history, it's sci fi for kids.
Quote from: acctingman on January 01, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
I just don't get all the nerd rage about this movie :o
well not only nerds,
for all audience for whom this was not their first Star Wars movie, and esp those who had seen Episode VII before (and even re-watched it as a primer a few day before like i did), there were some strong expectations planted,
esp with the announcement that Episode VIII is a direct continuation of the plot.
planted expectation were
- That Luke teach Rey as a Jedi master in his own personal style but where influence of Obi Wan and Yoda shines through
- That Snoke is at least the size of a cave troll and a mean manifestation of evil itself in spacetime-continuum which had puppet mastered Sith lords like Palpatine at ease ... and is not suddenly a lizard in a golden bath robe, who get fooled by two young apprentices in their love-hate relationship confusion
- That Rey's origin (parents, step parents?) somehow matter
- That Phasma has an important role in the developing plot
also some of the 'irritations' could have been so easily avoided by just one casual sentence in the radio chatter
like: in despair we converted captured old low level planetary bombers to join the attack...First Order will get a rude surprise
art design: i would have shaped the bombs as RPG warheads with a small rocket that ignite after a spring release
from the racks ...problem solved.
instead of the Asian women for Political Correctness on Earth and the Disney marketing department happiness
it would have been sooo much more StarWars (and with an even better 'all races in the universe matter and contribute to the effort'-message)
if the new Finn sidekick would have been from a different Star Wars race like Ahsoka Tano's race or those females with blue skin, we all know from those holo-poledance gimmicks ...that would have been a smart move, even had please the feminists with: look those woman can do more then work in bar entertainments. they are engineers and fighter pilots too...
Quote from: MikeGER on January 02, 2018, 04:09:03 AM
- That Rey's origin (parents, step parents?) somehow matter
Who says they don't?
I mean, you got told something by an evil dude who may have had ulterior motives to obscure the truth.
And there's not at least a
chance he's lying?
To me, that's one of the dumbest/weakest complaints about the movie - just because Kylo Ren insulted her by denigrating her parents doesn't make it true. It
might be, but we don't know either way.
Quote from: Gusington on January 01, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
It's not history, it's sci fi for kids.
So were the prequels. So are the Transformers movies. Doesn't mean they're good movies.
Pacific Rim is an epically dumb movie, but it is all also a lot of fun.
Last Jedi was dumb without the fun. It was Spaceballs without the laughs.
After 18 days the movie fell to 2nd place in the US box office.
Quote from: MikeGER on January 02, 2018, 04:09:03 AM
Quote from: acctingman on January 01, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
I just don't get all the nerd rage about this movie :o
well not only nerds,
for all audience for whom this was not their first Star Wars movie, and esp those who had seen Episode VII before (and even re-watched it as a primer a few day before like i did), there were some strong expectations planted,
esp with the announcement that Episode VIII is a direct continuation of the plot.
planted expectation were
- That Luke teach Rey as a Jedi master in his own personal style but where influence of Obi Wan and Yoda shines through
- That Snoke is at least the size of a cave troll and a mean manifestation of evil itself in spacetime-continuum which had puppet mastered Sith lords like Palpatine at ease ... and is not suddenly a lizard in a golden bath robe, who get fooled by two young apprentices in their love-hate relationship confusion
- That Rey's origin (parents, step parents?) somehow matter
- That Phasma has an important role in the developing plot
also some of the 'irritations' could have been so easily avoided by just one casual sentence in the radio chatter
like: in despair we converted captured old low level planetary bombers to join the attack...First Order will get a rude surprise
art design: i would have shaped the bombs as RPG warheads with a small rocket that ignite after a spring release
from the racks ...problem solved.
instead of the Asian women for Political Correctness on Earth and the Disney marketing department happiness
it would have been sooo much more StarWars (and with an even better 'all races in the universe matter and contribute to the effort'-message)
if the new Finn sidekick would have been from a different Star Wars race like Ahsoka Tano's race or those females with blue skin, we all know from those holo-poledance gimmicks ...that would have been a smart move, even had please the feminists with: look those woman can do more then work in bar entertainments. they are engineers and fighter pilots too...
Well, then maybe people should temper their expectations a bit?
I get it. People have all the right in the world to pick apart a movie. It's my right too then to just scratch my head at these people. O0
Quote from: airboy on January 02, 2018, 08:33:27 AM
After 18 days the movie fell to 2nd place in the US box office.
1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad :uglystupid2:
Or were all just mindless sheep :crazy2:
yep... still true
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 28, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
still stands :)
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Quote from: acctingman on January 02, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad :uglystupid2:
The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on January 02, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
yep... still true
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 28, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
still stands :)
Quote from: bayonetbrant on December 22, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
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Suicide Squad has a similar book.
Quote from: mirth on January 02, 2018, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: acctingman on January 02, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad :uglystupid2:
The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.
It's easier - and much more appealing to people - to vote down and vent than to vote up and praise. Example - I really liked the movie (obvious flaws included) and have not voted on RT. It's just the way it is.
The Rotten Tomatoes rating will be representative of the hardcore "pick apart" mob who wanted to vent and won't at all be all encompassing - leaving out everyone else who just wanted to go and see a movie - and who probably left excited and fulfilled.
Quote from: MikeGER on January 02, 2018, 04:09:03 AM
Quote from: acctingman on January 01, 2018, 02:31:42 PM
I just don't get all the nerd rage about this movie :o
well not only nerds,
for all audience for whom this was not their first Star Wars movie, and esp those who had seen Episode VII before (and even re-watched it as a primer a few day before like i did), there were some strong expectations planted,
esp with the announcement that Episode VIII is a direct continuation of the plot.
planted expectation were
- That Luke teach Rey as a Jedi master in his own personal style but where influence of Obi Wan and Yoda shines through
- That Snoke is at least the size of a cave troll and a mean manifestation of evil itself in spacetime-continuum which had puppet mastered Sith lords like Palpatine at ease ... and is not suddenly a lizard in a golden bath robe, who get fooled by two young apprentices in their love-hate relationship confusion
- That Rey's origin (parents, step parents?) somehow matter
- That Phasma has an important role in the developing plot
also some of the 'irritations' could have been so easily avoided by just one casual sentence in the radio chatter
like: in despair we converted captured old low level planetary bombers to join the attack...First Order will get a rude surprise
art design: i would have shaped the bombs as RPG warheads with a small rocket that ignite after a spring release
from the racks ...problem solved.
instead of the Asian women for Political Correctness on Earth and the Disney marketing department happiness
it would have been sooo much more StarWars (and with an even better 'all races in the universe matter and contribute to the effort'-message)
if the new Finn sidekick would have been from a different Star Wars race like Ahsoka Tano's race or those females with blue skin, we all know from those holo-poledance gimmicks ...that would have been a smart move, even had please the feminists with: look those woman can do more then work in bar entertainments. they are engineers and fighter pilots too...
When does the inclusion of girl - regardless of nationality - stop being in the name of Political Correctness? She was actually a pretty good actress and played the part well. Why does her nationality have to be a thing?
Whilst I'm here - when does having women do other things other than stay at home and bake stop being for the feminist movement and just about women wanting to do other things than stay at home and bake?
The more I read from you MikeGER the more I think your thoughts are from the dark ages. You really need to modernise.
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1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad :uglystupid2:
The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.
It's easier - and much more appealing to people - to vote down and vent than to vote up and praise. Example - I really liked the movie (obvious flaws included) and have not voted on RT. It's just the way it is.
The Rotten Tomatoes rating will be representative of the hardcore "pick apart" mob who wanted to vent and won't at all be all encompassing - leaving out everyone else who just wanted to go and see a movie - and who probably left excited and fulfilled.
I wasn't talking about the RT score for Last Jedi. The RT score for PotC is 30% and the critic average is 4.7/10. Those numbers are for a movie that took in almost $800 million worldwide.
Suicide Squad, a movie widely panned (and detested by Brant), took in $750 million worldwide.
The Transformers franchise has taken in over $4 billion. Two of the movies did over $1 billion each. I don't think anyone is going to seriously argue those are good movies.
The point being that there isn't necessarily a correlation between box office and movie quality.
Quote from: JudgeDredd on January 02, 2018, 09:50:06 AM
When does the inclusion of girl - regardless of nationality - stop being in the name of Political Correctness? She was actually a pretty good actress and played the part well. Why does her nationality have to be a thing?
Whilst I'm here - when does having women do other things other than stay at home and bake stop being for the feminist movement and just about women wanting to do other things than stay at home and bake?
JD there was a demand by 'intellectuals', 'activists', the usual SJW crowd that Star Wars don't had enuf
race-diversity esp. no Asian and that the role of females is too 'stereotype'
about the last one there are actual feminists who analyse movies with a so called Bechdel test if a movie in question is OK-ish
go figure
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/18/star-wars-the-last-jedi-women-bechdel-test
i was just mocking about those "activist", who always have to spoil the fun in everything lighthearted with social politics ...and of curse Disney try to be all things to all men (and women and LSBTTIQ ), except to the old SW lore
Clearly there are tons of movies that are crap that make craploads of cash...like an Armageddon-type movie.
I love the Star Wars franchise and will even tolerate Episodes 1-3. But I don't think and never have thought that they were always at the same level as Close Encounters, 2001 or Blade Runner. And to me they have always been cheesy/schmaltzy in their humor...they still are.
Expecting the Star Wars franchise to abide by actual science or military doctrine is unfair and has been since the first TIE fighter screeched across the screen...in the noiseless vacuum of space.
Quote from: Gusington on January 02, 2018, 12:41:52 PM
Expecting the Star Wars franchise to abide by actual science or military doctrine is unfair and has been since the first TIE fighter screeched across the screen...in the noiseless vacuum of space.
Don't expect it. Never have. LJ had some huge plot holes though. The story and characters were weak imo.
Those saying this was as good or better than ESB are out of their minds. It was the weakest, so far, of the new batch of films. It wasn't as good as any of the original trilogy movies.
Was it a bad movie? No. Was it as good as it could/should have been. Nope.
It's my least favorite of the new batch so far too. And I don't think I will ever enjoy any new Star Wars movie as much as the originals.
We agree then. Time for a hug?
I saw, "The Force Awakens" three times. I can't imagine wanting to see this movie even once more-- maybe on Netflix when it shows there. Not bad, but definitely not great.
I'll end up buying for the kids once it is out on DVD. And I'm sure I'll watch it several more times with them. Like I said up thread, my opinion of it may well improve over time.
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We agree then. Time for a hug?
OH GOD, no.....
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Quote from: mirth on January 02, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
Suicide Squad has a similar book.
1. Not enough Suicide Squad fans out there to really gripe about it
2. Star Wars had already established the characters and people are complaining about how the characters aren't conforming to what's already canon in the flicks that everyone has seen and loved for years. Suicide Squad f'ed up by not conforming to the source material that was ready by literally
dozens - multiple dozens, even! - worldwide about 30 years before the movie was released. and messing up the core behavior of the characters by just jettisoning their underlying backstories altogether. People won't gripe about what they don't know.
Quote from: Gusington on January 01, 2018, 04:52:13 PMIt's not history
but.... but.... but... it starts off "A long time ago..."!
^Hahaha!!
And mirth said 'hug' not whatever the hell that is up there.
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Quote from: mirth on January 02, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
Suicide Squad has a similar book.
1. Not enough Suicide Squad fans out there to really gripe about it
2. Star Wars had already established the characters and people are complaining about how the characters aren't conforming to what's already canon in the flicks that everyone has seen and loved for years. Suicide Squad f'ed up by not conforming to the source material that was ready by literally dozens - multiple dozens, even! - worldwide about 30 years before the movie was released. and messing up the core behavior of the characters by just jettisoning their underlying backstories altogether. People won't gripe about what they don't know.
Suicide Squad is a based on comic books -the most changeable form of mass media that has ever existed. Constantly retconned, rebooted, given alternate universes, etc. The idea a movie doesn't adhere to comic book 'canon' is beyond laughable.
And I am not faulting LJ for going against Star Wars canon. These are a new set of movies. I have no problem with them going in new directions (though we haven't really seen much new, more just reinventing the originals). My issues with LJ are that it has a weak plot and poorly drawn characters. It's a mediocre movie more on par with the prequels than the original trilogy.
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Quote from: acctingman on January 02, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
1 BILLION worldwide has to mean the movie isn't that bad :uglystupid2:
The Transformer Movies must not be that bad either. And that last PotC which made $795 million worldwide. The 30% rating on Rotten Tomatoes must be a goof.
It's easier - and much more appealing to people - to vote down and vent than to vote up and praise. Example - I really liked the movie (obvious flaws included) and have not voted on RT. It's just the way it is.
The Rotten Tomatoes rating will be representative of the hardcore "pick apart" mob who wanted to vent and won't at all be all encompassing - leaving out everyone else who just wanted to go and see a movie - and who probably left excited and fulfilled.
I wasn't talking about the RT score for Last Jedi. The RT score for PotC is 30% and the critic average is 4.7/10. Those numbers are for a movie that took in almost $800 million worldwide.
Suicide Squad, a movie widely panned (and detested by Brant), took in $750 million worldwide.
The Transformers franchise has taken in over $4 billion. Two of the movies did over $1 billion each. I don't think anyone is going to seriously argue those are good movies.
The point being that there isn't necessarily a correlation between box office and movie quality.
In that case I agree - to a degree...but really there's no real correlation between a good movie and "anything" - not really.
Money taken and ratings can be a guide - though I would concede that ratings are possibly more of an indicator of a stinker/solid/good film than takings particularly when looking at the first week or two of ticket sales - but neither is a real pointer to a good or bad movie because at the end of the day, as we are proving by this very discussion, good movies and bad movies are absolutely 100% subjective.
The only real person who determines what's a good movie or a bad one is - us. Individually. Often we'll agree with the ratings. Often we'll disagree with the ratings.
I don't particularly care if anyone loved or hated this movie. I can see reasons for both.
I do find interesting the idea that if you didn't love Last Jedi, you somehow need to lighten up or learn to have fun with movies. This was a mediocre Star Wars movie. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Wish it had been better, but the overall trend in sci-fi/fantasy these days is toward this sort of 'popcorn movie'. Completely disengage brain as you enter the theater.
I just saw alot of nitpicking going on.
You know what irritates the hell out of me - and this goes for other movies too - and it hasn't even been mentioned in this thread (that I know of)...canons that can't hit shit. But did it spoil the movie for me? No. Because it's "a thing" to keep the characters alive. I hate it, but I buy it.
It happened in Captain America Winter Soldier. They had 3 carriers carrying hundreds of guns pointing at individual people and they couldn't hit Falcon.
Still a great film. I hate it, but with it being done properly (i.e. having laser canons that can actually hit stuff), then we'd have very few main characters. So I hate it, but I buy it.
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Quote from: mirth on January 02, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
Suicide Squad has a similar book.
1. Not enough Suicide Squad fans out there to really gripe about it
2. Star Wars had already established the characters and people are complaining about how the characters aren't conforming to what's already canon in the flicks that everyone has seen and loved for years. Suicide Squad f'ed up by not conforming to the source material that was ready by literally dozens - multiple dozens, even! - worldwide about 30 years before the movie was released. and messing up the core behavior of the characters by just jettisoning their underlying backstories altogether. People won't gripe about what they don't know.
Suicide Squad is a based on comic books -the most changeable form of mass media that has ever existed. Constantly retconned, rebooted, given alternate universes, etc. The idea a movie doesn't adhere to comic book 'canon' is beyond laughable.
but there's a difference between canonical backstory, and the core reasons the characters act the way they do (i.e., Flagg)
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I would have enormously more respect for this new Disney trilogy had they broken out Thrawn as the head of the First Order, and in control of a quarter to half of the galaxy instead of mysteriously all of it overnight.
I know, I know...Zahn isn't canon. But still, come on. Thrawn. That would have made for a much more epic bad guy than Commander Ginger the Snarly Sourpuss.
Thrawn is canon under the Disney New Order. He was re-introduced through Rebels, which is part of the new canon
.
I would have been happy with Thrawn in the new movies. He would have been more interesting than Supreme Leader Gollum.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Rebels. Well. More so the reason for them to have included the guy.
I never thought I'd miss Jar Jar. :-[
SHUT UP
Darth Jar Jar is muy bombad.
Laugh if you want to but he has great teeth.
The thing about most SW conspiracy theories is, they're incredibly creative and do have some valid points. However, I doubt Disney nor the writers they hire have the creative talent to do any of them justice.
I do wish I had such good looking choppers.
I like jar jar binks, me's a thinking he's funny and quirky! And he does have a good set of gnashers on him :D
Finally saw it today. Wow, what a disappointment! I was really hoping for a lot more. Not really going to delve into it other than to say I wish they'd cast the hot sister in the nerdy mechanic role and blew up the dumpy one. Also, did it look like Daisy's weight fluctuated by a good 10-15 pounds at various points in the filming?
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 04, 2018, 12:37:30 AM
Also, did it look like Daisy's weight fluctuated by a good 10-15 pounds at various points in the filming?
Give her a break. She was retaining midi-chlorians.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on January 04, 2018, 12:37:30 AM
Also, did it look like Daisy's weight fluctuated by a good 10-15 pounds at various points in the filming?
every
Rose has it's thorn ;D
Yes, and Snoke looked thinner too. By half! :DD
Quote from: Sir Slash on January 03, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
Laugh if you want to but he has great teeth.
That video says Lucas backed off on using Jar Jar more because of the fan backlash. He was possibly afraid of Jar Jar being seen as an absolutely idiotic Sith. Though if the scene had been written correctly, where Jar Jar does a 180 from his stupid "meesa do thaaaaat?" voice to something unholy sinister, that would have been a good moment in the prequels.
Long time SW fan, watched the Last Jedi, the Force Awakens, A new Hope and War of the Clones last week. :crazy2:
I have a slighly different take on the matter. I went last week with my brother to see the movie and i had fun. There are enough good things for me to make it a fun experience. HOWEVER, the story and the plot are crapular! One of the worst stories i've ever seen. The movie is saved by good acting and excellent special effects but the rants are 100% correct. It seems like noone reviewed the script....it's really really bad. The new movies have big problems with plot but this one is the worst. The prequels were boring but made sense (only a few plot errors). Biggest problems of the new movies (short list):
The Force Awakens:
- where does the First Order get it's financing? The Empire had the taxes from the former Republic but the First Order?
- how did Snoke get in touch with Ben at all?
Rogue One:
- why would Tarkin destroy the main archives of the Empire at the end?
- There haven't paid attention to the beginning of a new hope cos the ship of princess Leia intercepted the message. While i like the battle at the end, it's not what is explained in the beginning of a new hope.
The Last Jedi:
- why does Snoke want to find Luke? He just wants to die on his island?
- The purchase makes no sens
- The last battle doesn't make any sense...these ships are just targets and they just get killed?
- Fin and Rose should be trialed because they are the reason why hundreds of rebels get killed?
Anyway...this brings me to make two different lists: one with the best plots and one with the most fun.
Best Plot:
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. The Return of the Jedi
3. A New Hope
4. War of the Clones
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. Rogue One
7. Phantom Menace
8. Force Awakens
9. Last Jedi (by far last).
The most fun:
1. A New Hope
2. Force Awakens
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Last Jedi
6. Rogue One
7. Revenge of the Sith
8. War of the Clones
9. Phantom Menace
Already said my things, at length. At leeennnnnngggggggthhhhhhh. >:D
But the fans who are upset aren't only the ones who had insane (or sensible or creative) theories that got proven wrong. Example: Luke having a good reason to leave clues for people to find him in hiding once they need him, so that he can help? That isn't an insane fan theory. That isn't even a sensible fan theory. It's A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE EXPLICIT PLOT OF THE PRIOR FILM!
But nope, why should "canon" matter, this is a new Star Wars they can do their own thing, right? {tosses lightsaber away}{tells whoever followed his clues to go away because he only came here to die and didn't mean for anyone to find him} Burn the "canon" down, it was hardly a page turner, and was only drunken trash anyway that abandoned you! Join us in creating something new! Here's our evidence for trusting us for quality newness! {strategically and tactically ignorant chase sequence} {weak and insulting semi-rehash of ESB}
It isn't that the film is bad -- it has competencies here and there. It's that the film actively insults its audience, especially its core audience.
Oh, and I totally agree about Rose needing to be an alien. That wouldn't have made her plot choices in the film any better (or less flagrantly plot convenient). But part of the problem with her is that she was designed, and accepted by a vocal contingent of commentators, as being a social justice triumph. THAT'S why those who eyeroll about this can't just leave it alone and treat her gender and race as a neutral factor, which would indeed be the reasonable thing: it isn't being left alone, it was a partisan design choice from the start and has been trumpeted to the stars as a partisan design victory. Which would be less grating if it actually was a design victory, but it's not. It's so, sooooo not.
Relatedly, Rose sister (whose name I can't recall only because I'm terrible with names) isn't legitimately awesome because she happens to be more physically attractive to more people. Switch the actresses around and give them the same material, and the sister's character remains awesome, even though dumpier. Rose remains cringey even though more conventionally attractive now. No one anywhere that I've heard of thinks Rey's actress isn't physically attractive, but that doesn't stop her from being an epic cringefest of character design by some people's estimation, myself included. And I rather LIKED her character in Force Awakens!
Ugh... I want to like this film, I really do. I like Star Wars, even despite some portions I don't ideologically agree with (which is true of almost every entertainment property). I'm honestly not that hostile in pickiness; I liked all three of the prequels, and I like all three of the Matrix films! I LIKE X-MEN 3 THE LAST STAND, GOD HELP ME! I'm not a fan dilettante.
At least other people have enjoyed the film, and enjoyed it a lot. I can be glad for their sake anyway. O:-)
MovieBob tries really really hard to have a conciliatory discussion of Luke Skywalker's character in TLJ with sympathy for critics, and just can't help himself from slanderously misrepesenting Sargon of Akaad along the way, as well as thinking Laura Dern's character was wise and smart and should have been trusted all along to have a workable plan.
...soooo, adjust expectations for his own highly unexamined biases. Adjustments accounted for, it's a good ep. O:-) Even if he's barely scratching what sober critics find legitimaely infuriating about the film (and even if he can't approach going there without losing his mind.) I do appreciate the attempt.
Part 2 of Moviebob's noble attempt at arguing that TLJ was a love letter to the fans.
One of us has badly misremembered what happens with Yoda and the old Jedi books and Rey -- I don't
think it's me, but until I can watch it again in a format where I can pause to ascertain things, I'll provisionally cast doubt on my recollection of what happened. I'm trying to be as charitable as possible here.
Meanwhile, since Moviebob thinks Poe should have just trusted his mysterious leader with apparently no plan whose actual plan turns out to be as dumb as Poe worried it would be:
The Mr. Sunday Movies crew, whom I don't recall giving TLJ a greatly positive review, takes a piss on fan whining about TLJ.
A friend of mine on FB provides a thoughtful analysis comparing the Prequel, Sequel (so far), and Original Trilogies. I was impressed enough by his perceptive balance that I decided to share it.
Quote from: Vincent Andrew Drausinus McCoigeI do have a bit of a problem with [the two films of the Sequel series so far], but it doesn't seem to be the same problem as any of those that I've seen flying around. In fact, it seems to me that they have almost the opposite problem that the Prequels had. Individually, taken as continuing episodes in a series, both VII and VIII have been excellent, from my perspective. The problem I'm seeing is that they don't seem to be forming into a cohesive Trilogy like the OT or the Prequels. They're disjointed, and while they're well done and great movies standing on their own, the Sequel Trilogy as a whole seems to be suffering from the lack of communication and consistency between writers. Contrast this with the Prequel Trilogy, which was absolutely amazing taken as a whole story arc, but executed poorly in a lot of the details of each movie. If they'd re-written this, re-cast that, directed this scene better, the Prequel Trilogy would've been a lot better, without changing anything significant about the story. By contrast, I think if they'd kept the same character elements, the same acting, even the same direction in the Sequel Trilogy, but re-worked the overarching story of the three as a whole more coherently, they would be much better as a whole. Contrasting with both is the Original Trilogy, which was largely executed very well, with a great overarching story to go with it, which I think also explains why people who loved it forever hated the Prequels (because they had a problem with something the OT did well), and now forgive the Prequels (because they did something well that the OT did well) and hate the Sequels (because they have a problem with something the OT, and even the Prequels, did well), but will probably come around and forgive them too.
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Ain't THAT the truth. ;D
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lmao
Quote from: JasonPratt on January 22, 2018, 10:17:30 AM
The Mr. Sunday Movies crew, whom I don't recall giving TLJ a greatly positive review, takes a piss on fan whining about TLJ.
I've learned, over time, that TLJ doesn't like anything. To varying degrees.
Even opinions they largely agree with.
;D
The curious case
of three hundred and fifty
dollar toys unbought.
More analysis
from end of January;
Forbes and Fortune both.
Remember back in the old days, when The Force Awakens seemed like a good start to the new trilogy and was fun to watch?
Me, too... :'(
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 05, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
Remember back in the old days, when The Force Awakens seemed like a good start to the new trilogy and was fun to watch?
<sigh> that seems like a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
https://angrystaffofficer.com/2017/12/18/a-leadership-vacuum-the-last-jedi-and-mission-failure/
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 05, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
Remember back in the old days, when The Force Awakens seemed like a good start to the new trilogy and was fun to watch?
You and I must have watched very different movies.
Quote from: MetalDog on February 06, 2018, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: JasonPratt on February 05, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
Remember back in the old days, when The Force Awakens seemed like a good start to the new trilogy and was fun to watch?
You and I must have watched very different movies.
You can treat that as irony if you like. O:-)
Meanwhile, here's a very friendly defense of Last Jedi:
Is it just me? Why would I care what some millennial thinks I hated about the movie? I must be getting old or just don't get social media... but she is just some random person to me, who's opinion I don't rate any higher than my dog's when it comes to movies or anything else for that matter..... :idiot2:
your dog feels the same way about you
What do you know, you've never met my dog. I'm her hero. :)
Quote from: Barthheart on February 07, 2018, 01:23:00 PM
Is it just me? Why would I care what some millennial thinks I hated about the movie? I must be getting old or just don't get social media... but she is just some random person to me, who's opinion I don't rate any higher than my dog's when it comes to movies or anything else for that matter..... :idiot2:
I saw that video a few weeks ago and thought the same as you. +1
Millennials. #:-) Let me guess. "Why do they have to have a 'war' in Star Wars? Why can't they just sit down and talk about their feelings together and come to some agreement to fight together against Galaxy Warming or for Trans-Gender Wookie rights? Maybe over a Vegan Pizza". God's Balls, somebody shoot 'em with a Death Star!
^^ It's more thoughtful than that. ::) I can't stand TLJ, so if I post something like that I'm not just trying to be nice. O:-)
That said, she didn't touch any of the reasons I can't stand TLJ.
Surely the Death Star has a safe space puppy room!!!!
So for example (her list isn't in any order of importance):
10.) "Snoke didn't end up being anything." A simple complaint along that line, sure that's a silly complaint. But that doesn't touch a more complicated complaint of "Snoke comes out of plot nowhere and is more than a little conveniently stupid, so it makes no sense for him to be competently leading this group so far." Relatedly, what happens to Snoke isn't a problem in itself -- it's actually an evil inversion of the wizard mentor being removed as a crutch so that the true protagonist can level up properly against adversity. That's reasonably clever. The problem is that what happens should have very blatantly been detected and stopped.
My issue on Snoke vs Thrawn is that we know where Thrawn came from, we get a plausible explanation as to how he was able to rally the remnants of the Empire, and we get why he's such an existential threat to the nascent Republic.
Smoke just 'appears' and no one can really tell what the First Order is, why it exists, or how it suddenly went from rebelling against the Rebellion to the taking control between movies and suddenly having the Rebellion rebelling against the interim rebellion that was rebelling against the old Rebellion. I mean, c'mon... we can't get some actual reasons behind things? Writers forgot why things happened? I mean, the "why" matters b/c it sets up all the reasons for everything else...
^You're looking for logic and plot continuity in a Jar Jar Abrams film? Good luck!
I still like the theory that Snoke is (was) Mace Windu. Not gonna happen, but interesting.
Yeah, her defenses are "but the themes are interesting". I agree, theoretically on paper they're interesting. It's how they're deployed on screen that's cringey and annoying (to me and to others, not to everyone, which is fine: I genuinely envy people who enjoyed the film more than I did. As long as they aren't enjoying it for dumb ideological reasons that the execution of the film doesn't support, and so calling me a racist if I don't fawn over it, too. ::) )
So for another example, she replies to "everyone loses" with "that's the story, everyone is supposed to lose and to learn something from it". But (a) nobody learns anything really from their losses (which she admits from the villain side); and (b) everyone loses for dumbass reasons contrived solely to force the plot to go particular ways. Good idea on paper, poor execution.
Still, I appreciate her being nice in her defense (except for one "racist" crack which might have been sarcasm at poor defenses, not sure), and that she focused on themes being worth trying to defend. O:-) I don't always agree with her, but she's a sharp critic when she's on her game, and often damn funny.
Quote from: bbmike on February 07, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
^You're looking for logic and plot continuity in a Jar Jar Abrams film? Good luck!
I was willing to give the first film a pass if they explained better story continuity in the second film: set up the situation and then explain it. Not my favorite approach, but workable.
But the second film openly pisses on continuity, so... I can't even complain that it's another example of JJA's damned "mystery box" conceit, because he had little or nothing to do with TLJ's disdain for followthrough.
If nothing else, I'm slightly interested from a technical storywriting standpoint to see how or even if JJA tries to salvage and course correct in the finale.
^ :DD
"Shut up, Carl"
That last bit with him holding back the AT-AT beams and them knocking them back into them, now THAT would have been bad-ass to see on the screen.
The little halo around Grumpy!Lara Dern's head was pretty hilarious, too.
I would have been okay with Luke deflecting the shots back, but this puts Rey in the action (and ups the ante on newly revealed Force abilities) so, fine. It provides a legitimate "spark" for igniting defiance to the First Order, too.
(Daisy Ridley has been featured around the internet recently half-confirming that Snoke was supposed to be Darth Plageuis, btw.)
^One day I actually have to watch the movie that's from.
Quote from: bbmike on February 21, 2018, 06:44:03 PM
^One day I actually have to watch the movie that's from.
The internet will have spoiled it for you.
(...also, spoiling the ending. Dang you internet!)
Quote from: bbmike on February 21, 2018, 06:44:03 PM
^One day I actually have to watch the movie that's from.
It's a very intense movie, The Downfall. Especially with the scenes involving the Goebbels children.
Then go watch "Look Who's Back."
;D
Yeah, after seeing all the parodies on Youtube I finally watched Downfall too, and absolutely loved it. Brilliant film.
A very literate (and non-cursing) elaborate critique of the film.
A sober and succinct commentary on the recent news (via Daisy Ridely) that JJ Abrams had scripts written for Eps 7, 8 and 9 before production ever started on 7 -- and that Rian Johnson threw out the script for episode 8, keeping practically nothing from the first draft.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY EVER BE THE RESULT OF DOING THAT?! ::)
Edited to add: I should clarify that Ep 8 didn't trash the original plan of the trilogy without at least input from JJA, however, since RJ and JJA met before the script rewrite.
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I prefer the Battlestar Galactica version, "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again".
It's déjà vu all over again.
Remember back when we had good films like Matrix 2 and 3? :dreamer:
Quote from: JasonPratt on March 06, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Remember back when we had good films like Matrix 2 and 3? :dreamer:
Ouch.
I'm so old I remember when Reeves was a Bus Driver.
Quote from: Sir Slash on March 07, 2018, 12:20:53 AM
I'm so old I remember when Reeves was a Bus Driver.
I remember him when he was driving a phone booth
That IS old!
Quote from: Sir Slash on March 07, 2018, 12:20:53 AM
I'm so old I remember when Reeves was a Bus Driver.
And his first name was Steve...
So, while stumbling around on the internet I cruised upon what I suppose is old news by now, since Mark Hamill talked about it back on a May 4th interview somewhere in 2016 -- but as the old newspaper motto goes, since I hadn't read it, it was still news to me, and reminded me sharply that there was NEVER ANY REASON TO REALISTICALLY EXPECT that JJ Abrams had interesting and satisfying ideas in mind for his various mysteries. I mean, past experience suggests that, too, and admittedly I have to wonder what his totally aborted scripts (or treatments) for Eps 8 and 9 originally were. But it's possible that Rian Johnson dumped them because Abrams' actual plot reveals tend to be very, very dumb and misguided.
(Not that RJ replaced them with much of anything better if so, but still.)
According to Hamill, the explanation (sort of) for how the little orange cantina owner had gotten hold of Luke's original lightsaber, was because the hand holding the weapon had floated via the force over to Rey's not-Tatooine planet over the years (...and however many thousands of light-years distance...) where it dropped from orbit (with the hand shredding in the friction burnoff) to land near the trashed Star Destroyer that the Rebellion had dumped on the planet which Rey liked to scavenge.
But instead of Rey picking it up eventually, it was found first by Mon Hanata (or whatever her name was) while on a visit to the planet (for whatever reason), and being force-sensitive she secured it as an artifact.
That's it. That's all the mystery originally behind the saber ending up at that cantina in a vault. The Force wanted Rey to have it, so made it happen through plot contrivance. Eventually Abrams just cut out the extra details as too implausible for fans.
#:-)
That beats my theory that Kylo Ren swiped Luke's lightsaber after he kicked him out of his Jedi School to give to his new master Snoke while Luke was busy sucking giant seal milk. And Maz the Eyeglasses Lady stole it from Snoke by convincing him they were really brother and sister, another set of Jedi Twins born together. Don't laugh, they do look alike. That just leaves us to figure-out how somebody as cool as Darth Vader ended-up related to all these other idiots. My work here is done.
Quote from: Sir Slash on March 21, 2018, 10:35:43 PM
That just leaves us to figure-out how somebody as cool as Darth Vader ended-up related to all these other idiots. My work here is done.
And the prequels explain
that perfectly!
...wow, the sequels really
do make the prequels look better by comparison. :hide:
Quote from: JasonPratt on March 22, 2018, 01:11:03 PM
...wow, the sequels really do make the prequels look better by comparison. :hide:
Sad, but true.
My friend Yoda always said, "Careful you must be where spread your seed you do".
"Careful you must be
where spreading your seed you do:
this a haiku is!"
Well I finally saw this film. Here is a list of all the good things about it:
^+1 for truth
There is no damned way the prequels are better than the sequels.
Star Wars is a lost cause now. Thanks Disney.
I really enjoyed Rogue One. More than any of the prequels, including Revenge of the Sith.
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Jar Jar the begninng of the end or was it the Ewoks?
Definitely the Ewoks. Damn I've been screwed since I was 9. Pass the beer.
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Quote from: Gusington on March 31, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
There is no damned way the prequels are better than the sequels.
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
:hide:
Quote from: Gusington on March 31, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
There is no damned way the prequels are better than the sequels.
I honestly think they are. Despite their many flaws, at least they were dense, world-building and had
some character, none of which can be said about the new films. I'll take I-III over VII-VIII any day. Although obviously the original trilogy remains the best films in this increasingly silly saga.
I heard Disney just bought the Mona Lisa. They want to add a pair of glasses and a cigarette in one hand to the painting. And a hand since none are already included. After that they plan on adding a new body part every year for the next 5 years. And...... Mouse Ears.
I heard they want to exhume Walt's corpse so they can piss on the remains.
That thumbnail gives a clue what she's (adorably) trolling about.
(The snakes are far more subtle.)
Relevant comment:
QuoteDarth Jenny
definitely just
destroyed Jedi
drama junkies
deficient judgments.
Six out of the 10 stuffed snakes in bed with her have higher IQ's than she does. :coolsmiley:
She likes playing dumb, as a sardonic joke, but she's usually pretty incisive.
I don't understand her derogatory dismissal of complaints about TLJ (complaints which she is satirizing here) -- she's definitely smart enough to realize the gist of the complaints, and it isn't like she's married to SJWish cultural pushes -- but since I usually post critique videos I wanted to play fair on the other side, and she's entertaining. O0
Dudes...DUDES...
...maybe...MAYBE...Revenge of the Sith may edge out the newer films. I have not formed a solid opinion yet on The Last Jedi. But I definitely don't hate it.
I am pretty close to hating I & II.
Phantom Menace sucks pretty much every kind of ball that there is but Last Jedi is as bad, if not worse. The prequels were bad but at least they got better as they progressed to the point where Sith isn't all that bad if you ignore a few cringey scenes.
Force Awakens was pretty bleh. Last Jedi compares unfavourably to The Christmas Special and, based on the noise coming from Disney, it sounds like the downward trend is set to continue.
At least Rogue One was pretty good.....
Begun, the Nerd Wars have.
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 02, 2018, 06:03:30 PM
Last Jedi compares unfavourably to The Christmas Special and...
I wouldn't go
that far. The fx were okay in TLJ. I have decided to fight people on TLJ having the best FX in the series so far, however. The FX are entirely up to par, but there are relatively few 'settings' for the fx compared to any other Star Wars film I can name.
So yep, the prequels beat it on that, too. MEANINGFUL DIVERSITY, HO!
:2funny: HAHA the Christmas Special!!
The Christmas Special was genius!
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 02, 2018, 06:03:30 PM
Phantom Menace sucks pretty much every kind of ball that there is but Last Jedi is as bad, if not worse. The prequels were bad but at least they got better as they progressed to the point where Sith isn't all that bad if you ignore a few cringey scenes.
See, I'm of the opposite opinion. 1-3 got WORSE as the series progressed. Revenge of the Sith is so loaded down with endless, ponderous scenes of pretentious dialogue and plots that make no damn sense. It's pure dreck.
Quote from: Arctic Blast on April 02, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: Silent Disapproval Robot on April 02, 2018, 06:03:30 PM
Phantom Menace sucks pretty much every kind of ball that there is but Last Jedi is as bad, if not worse. The prequels were bad but at least they got better as they progressed to the point where Sith isn't all that bad if you ignore a few cringey scenes.
See, I'm of the opposite opinion. 1-3 got WORSE as the series progressed. Revenge of the Sith is so loaded down with endless, ponderous scenes of pretentious dialogue and plots that make no damn sense. It's pure dreck.
Yeah I consider 2 to be the high point of the prequels minus the wooing scenes which were / are painful to watch. 1 sucked for a number of reasons although the saber battle with Darth Maul was a high point. 3 just felt like "we got to get to the end point who cares about the story in between".
Hayden Christensen ruined those 3 movies for me. I'm sure he is a hell of a human being, but he SUCKED as Anakin Skywussie. :tickedoff:
We can all agree that Hayden Christiansen is the antichrist(iansen).
Quote from: Bison on March 31, 2018, 06:22:53 PM
Jar Jar the begninng of the end or was it the Ewoks?
Ewoks. Hate muppets. Hate Yoda. Muppets must die. Send Deadpool after all muppets.
A lot of blame for the lame dialogue and wooden performances in the prequels belongs on George Lucas. He really didn't want nuanced performances from any of the cast.
Quote from: mirth on April 03, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
A lot of blame for the lame dialogue and wooden performances in the prequels belongs on George Lucas. He really didn't want nuanced performances from any of the cast.
Yeah exactly, he's notoriously bad at directing people. I remember Peter Serafinowicz saying that his sole direction when recording the dialogue for Darth Maul was: "Make him sound
really evil" ;D
Lucas is well known for giving little direction to his actors and what direction he does give is along the lines of "Faster" or "More Intense". ::)
Ha! That's the same direction my wife gives me. Wait.... that's not so funny. :-[
^lmao
Quote from: mirth on April 03, 2018, 10:01:28 AM
A lot of blame for the lame dialogue and wooden performances in the prequels belongs on George Lucas. He really didn't want nuanced performances from any of the cast.
Lucas' wife, at the time of production of Episode IV, was a HUGE force in changing Lucas' crappy dialogue and scene creations. Lucas might have created the universe but I'm fairly well convinced it was his then-wife whom shaped it into something special. She wasn't around for the prequels, and Lucas just simply isn't that talented to be able to live up to the hype and richness she helped to build.
Were it not for her, Star Wars probably would have just been another stupid B-movie like Megaforce, solely existing to make fun of.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/the-secret-weapon-behind-star-wars/news-story/75eb078a8b14d93fce23b06e98805ffb
http://www.syfy.co.uk/news/3-ways-which-marcia-lucas-helped-save-star-wars-0
etc. etc.
Yeah, her skill as an editor finally got some props in the past few years. She took the first movie from unwatchable into the awesomeness we saw on the screen.
Considering what George did with the prequels, if Marcia had not been involved with editing the first movie there would probably not been a second.
This goes a long way to helping me understand why I liked Rogue Squadron so much more than most of the recent fare. Imagine what we could have if Joss Whedon gets his shot at an SW flick, complete with rewrite control. Hel, even Kenneth Branagh could probably take a crappy SW script and turn it into an Empire Strikes Back contender.
At this point I'd rather see an Uwe Boll Star Wars rather than another JJ Abrams one...
Watching a Brannagh SW would be amazing, even if the story is ultimately a jumble of contrivances. (See recently MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS. Not Branagh's fault per se the story ends up being goofy, but dang it looks sharp. Also, the forum engine knows how to spell Branagh. Or it did a minute ago, what's the difference...? Branagh, nope even copy-pasting it shows a mis-spelling now, but not when it's an apostrophe possessive...?)
Joss Whedon has gotten a lot flakier recently, perhaps from increasing production stress, so I'm not convinced he could do it now. Gosh, who would be a good writer/director (or team) for Star Wars anymore? ...Peter Jackson? (Not necessarily.) ... ..... GENNEDY TARTOVSKY AND BRAD BIRD!!?
Denis Villeneuve.
Undead film arise!
10 or 15 years ago, Rian Johnson was being interviewed about what he considers a successful film. His answer? -- he'd consider it a failure if everyone loved it, and instead would consider it a success if half the people loved it and half the people thought it was the worst thing they've ever seen.
The clip starts about 1:05, doesn't last long. Everything else is reaction to it. :buck2:
The big news, however, is Lucas pretending to have been going to make his own sequel trilogy if Disney hadn't bought the property from him. After telling people years ago of course that there wasn't going to be an Episode 7 (though maybe some spin-off films). After telling people there were going to be 9 films and thus a sequel trilogy after RotJ. After making the first film the fourth episode of bleargh...
If you didn't know, Lucas has changed his mind a lot about what he was going to do with the Star Wars Franchise, if anything. (There's a whole interesting book in tracing the primary sources for how Lucas developed the original and then prequel trilogy: Kaminski's
The Secret History of Star Wars. It's a great tome for anyone who likes to study story development and/or SW.)
Anyway,
this year ;) after the recent debacles, Lucas has decided that he would have made Eps 7-9 himself, and it would have been about....
......
...the midichlorians. Which turn out to be his "Whills", the gods (in effect) which rule the SW universe and feed off the Force.
Which he's sure fans would have hated. (Maybe so!)
Here's the Mr. Sunday Movies crew, talking about it. (They're the most amusing of the reports so far that I've found.)
What's extra special about this, is that
that episode dates from Sept 2016!
Here's Hybrid Network from June 14 2018.
Last Jedi is on Netflix now. I rewatched it last night. I don't have hatred for it as the more rabid parts of the fan base seem to, but it's just not that good. It's definitely the weakest of the Disney releases and it doesn't inspire confidence that it's up to JJ Abrams to right the ship.
Thus why it's on Netflix so soon. Or, it could just be a Jedi Mind Trick.
Quote from: mirth on June 28, 2018, 07:59:28 AM
Last Jedi is on Netflix now. I rewatched it last night. I don't have hatred for it as the more rabid parts of the fan base seem to, but it's just not that good. It's definitely the weakest of the Disney releases and it doesn't inspire confidence that it's up to JJ Abrams to right the ship.
This. I just re-watched it last night, but I ended up shutting it off about 30 minutes before it ended. It's far too long, the characters are not all that engaging (Poe is probably the only one that's mildly interesting, but they've done little to develop him). Visually it's outstanding, but it's all flavorful icing on a dry and difficult to digest cake.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on June 29, 2018, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: mirth on June 28, 2018, 07:59:28 AM
Last Jedi is on Netflix now. I rewatched it last night. I don't have hatred for it as the more rabid parts of the fan base seem to, but it's just not that good. It's definitely the weakest of the Disney releases and it doesn't inspire confidence that it's up to JJ Abrams to right the ship.
This. I just re-watched it last night, but I ended up shutting it off about 30 minutes before it ended. It's far too long, the characters are not all that engaging (Poe is probably the only one that's mildly interesting, but they've done little to develop him). Visually it's outstanding, but it's all flavorful icing on a dry and difficult to digest cake.
That's sig line material without doubt!
being British, Bob knows all about dry and difficult to digest cake.
That can't possibly be ALL that's wrong with this movie. There has to be more.
Oh, there is. He was pretty kind to it all things considered. But it's been chewed over so thoroughly (see some links upthread) that anything Jeremy does now will be just highlights anyway.
I share his nerd rage over the fuel.
I didn't mind the fuel, but they used it inconsistently; so it was just too obviously a plot-convenience hack, fadged up to keep one particular part of the plot going. THAT I mind.
the entire movie was a series of plot-convenience hacks
Quote from: mirth on August 02, 2018, 12:41:57 PM
the entire movie was a series of plot-convenience hacks
:pullhair:
This movie had more hacks than a cat full of furrballs.
Nerds. Nerds never change.
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 02, 2018, 01:16:47 PM
This movie had more hacks than a cat Wookie full of furrballs.
Topically adjusted for better truth.
Quote from: Gusington on August 02, 2018, 01:37:00 PM
Nerds. Nerds never change.
Hey, I got that reference, sort of! :D
I would be much more afraid if you didn't.
Well, bleh, my gif failed.
Dorks. Dorks never change...
Quote from: Gusington on August 02, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
Dorks. Dorks never change...
Geeks, however, do change. We no longer bite the heads off of chickens for entertainment value.
Wait. When did that change?!
Right after whiskey was invented.
I usually chase the chicken heads with whiskey.
Tasty and satisfying.
Quite.
Like the ashes of your enemies.
And the lamentations of their women
But what if they're NOT pregnant? Oh, wait. That's 'lactations'. Sorry, my mistake.
So what do I get to wash down with a Thursday night Martini?
And it better not involve anything with Gus or Mirth.
A furiously spiced stew of your enemies' goats?
Acceptable. I'm from the south, so I have a lot of experience with goats.
Oh my.
I like goats better than sheep. The wool chafes me.
Meanwhile, the Last Plinkett review.
Considering that RLM helped create the long-form critical-humorous youtube review format, I have to admit we don't really need the "Plinkett" reviews anymore. Still, a last gasp is appreciated.
(I feel confident that those other newbie sites haven't compared TLJ's plot structure to National Lampoon's Vacation.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on August 28, 2018, 08:23:47 AM
(I feel confident that those other newbie sites haven't compared TLJ's plot structure to National Lampoon's Vacation.)
Don't forget the usual heavy dose of Star Trek comparisons whats-his-name is known for. Regarding any movie, not just Star Wars. Running gag after all the viewers giving him so much shit in the past for his regular Star Trek references. :2funny:
Engineers. Sheesh.
https://www.facebook.com/dorkly/videos/1877319732311428/?t=164
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 02, 2018, 10:15:36 PM
I like goats better than sheep. The wool chafes me.
But goats don't push back when you're at the edge of a cliff...
Quote from: Pinetree on September 05, 2018, 12:52:36 AM
Quote from: Sir Slash on August 02, 2018, 10:15:36 PM
I like goats better than sheep. The wool chafes me.
But goats don't push back when you're at the edge of a cliff...
That's why you wear Wellys so you can put their hind legs in the tops.
This man knows his livestock. O0