CONSOLIDATED - Police-related violence / shooting threads

[bayonetbrant]

[Ubercat]

I personally think that police relations in poor black communities is a symptom of a greater problem and not the problem itself. People should be protesting the core problems with poor African Americans, their time would be much better spent in that pursuit.

I'm pretty sure that most in the BLM movement, as well as the great majority of SJW's would consider you a racist for even mentioning the inherent problems of most poor black urban communities. They haven't figured out that you can't fix problems when you won't even admit that they exist.

[Swatter]

That's the reason that the BLM narrative can so thoroughly dominate the media, if you disagree they call you a racist and most people don't want to deal with that. In fact, they have done a great job of painting all white people as racists and forcing them to prove they are not racist as a default.

[acctingman]

That's the reason that the BLM narrative can so thoroughly dominate the media, if you disagree they call you a racist and most people don't want to deal with that. In fact, they have done a great job of painting all white people as racists and forcing them to prove they are not racist as a default.

Just throwing my .02c of comments in for what it's worth.

My wife is of Jamaican decent and she admits to being a  little skittish of cops here in Seattle after everything that has happened.

[Swatter]

I don't want to minimize your wife's feelings, because lord knows my wife never accuses me of that. Has you wife been personally treated unjustly by police?

One of my favorite programs on the History Channel was Engineering Disasters. On each program they examined several spectacular engineering failures that resulted in some catastrophic event. The program would say over and over again that these disasters were never the fault of any single cause in isolation. These disasters were caused by several flaws that in isolation of each other were not fatal, but when combined caused disaster.

I think I can extend this analogy to almost all police shootings that have made the media in the last few years. People are not killed because of their skin color, but because they do things that in combination that put themselves in danger of being shot.

Lets take the Tulsa shooting, one that I think was unjustified. His skin color was a factor I would argue. This is one factor, but not enough to get him killed. There was his height and weight, which by itself makes him more of a threat than the average Joe. Again, not enough to get killed. Then this guy was not following lawful police commands. With these factors, the chances of disaster increase. Then the dominoes started falling quickly when the guy started walking back to his car, making a police confrontation a certainty. Now the chances of disaster are getting much higher. Add the final element, the recent police assassinations and how on edge police are these days. You might even add to that the guy may have been intoxicated.

Any one of these things happening in isolation doesn't result in the guy getting killed. I think the moral of the story is this- don't act like an idiot around police. Change the skin color of the victim in this case, given those same circumstances, you are still having guns pointed at you and are being tasered. If you ignore the police and begin walking back to your car, you are going to have a bad day, regardless of your skin color.

[Gusington]

"People should be protesting the core problems with poor African Americans."

I totally agree Swatter. I am waiting for someone brave enough to come out and say that in public. There have been little peeps here and there. Charles Barkley comes to mind "we have to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps" etc.

Until the gangsta mystique is crushed and the welfare state disassembled, these things will continue to happen. I don't think every black person is a gangsta and not every black person is on welfare. But a certain amount of personal accountability has to exist. And that goes for people of every race. No one is ever held accountable for their own actions any more...everyone's a victim.

F that.

[bayonetbrant]

[Staggerwing]

Snort

[Gusington]

hahaha

'Funny 'cause it's true'

-Homer

[Swatter]

"everyone's a victim"

Yep!!! Except for white males, of course. We are the oppressor of everyone else on Earth. You would think my morning schedule would be more full with all of the oppressing I do.

[Gusington]

Me as well because I have a shaved head.

Also - all 'white people' are exactly the same, there is no ethnic/religious/national difference between any of us. Just a giant white void, we are.

[Staggerwing]

Hey now! Charlemagne and his Frankish cops oppressed my Batavian and Frisian ancestors!

[JasonPratt]

My Norman and other Viking ancestors oppressed my Saxon and Angle ancestors who oppressed my Celtic ancestors who oppressed my.. um.... ..... elvish ancestors? Two or three or four levels of invasion before the Celts. Pretty sure my Saxon and Angle ancestors were oppressing each other, too.

Don't get me started on my Irish ancestors. I'm just lucky an ex-slave came along and helped convince them all to give up slavery.

[Sir Slash]

I am German/English, two of the greatest oppressors in history. Luckily I'm also Irish so I drink to forget about it.  ;)

[steve58]

My ancestry is non-oppressive Canadistan :-[