New game at HPS

[Zulu1966]

http://www.hpssims.com/Pages/Products/JLSSG/DesperateGlory/DesperateGlory.asp

For those interested

[alantaylor]

Demo here; http://digitalgameworks.com/index.php/desperate-glory/

[TacticalWargames]

Typical Jeff game. Enjoyable. Like the topic.

[panzerde]

Interesting idea. I used to live out there, and worked at a school for Sioux kids, so I'm fairly familiar with the subject matter. Definitely on my list.

[Boggit]

If anything like the real battle this will be a "quick play" game for an Indians 1 vs US Cavalry 0. The historic best course of action would have been making a quick exit and keeping your hair. ;)

[magnus]

Not really, if they hadn't been split into three separate forces, the seventh might have easily come up with a draw.

If you read the accounts, the cavalry and their mounts were extremely overtired as well. The Indians describe them both as shaking with fatigue.

[Boggit]

Not really, if they hadn't been split into three separate forces, the seventh might have easily come up with a draw.

If you read the accounts, the cavalry and their mounts were extremely overtired as well. The Indians describe them both as shaking with fatigue.

Admittedly my reading of the battle is a bit thin. I just had the impression that they just dived into an overwhelming  situation without any real recon, as apparently the battle was over within 15 minutes from the first attack.

Too much Hollywood westerns, and PBS America Docu's I guess! ;)

[panzerde]

Not really, if they hadn't been split into three separate forces, the seventh might have easily come up with a draw.

If you read the accounts, the cavalry and their mounts were extremely overtired as well. The Indians describe them both as shaking with fatigue.

Admittedly my reading of the battle is a bit thin. I just had the impression that they just dived into an overwhelming  situation without any real recon, as apparently the battle was over within 15 minutes from the first attack.

Too much Hollywood westerns, and PBS America Docu's I guess! ;)

Well, that's more or less what Custer did. Poor reconnaissance and divided forces against a foe with considerably superior numbers. Had Custer listened to his scouts, not divided into separate forces, and taken along the Gatling guns and reinforcements he'd been offered, it might well have been a different battle.


Even with half of the 7th gone with Custer, Reno and Benteen were able to reunite and hold off the attacking Sioux and Cheyenne, so the full 7th may well have been more than they could have dealt with.


But yes, trying to play with a historical setup (to the extent we know what happened) virtually ensures a US Army defeat.

[Zulu1966]

Not really, if they hadn't been split into three separate forces, the seventh might have easily come up with a draw.

If you read the accounts, the cavalry and their mounts were extremely overtired as well. The Indians describe them both as shaking with fatigue.

Admittedly my reading of the battle is a bit thin. I just had the impression that they just dived into an overwhelming  situation without any real recon, as apparently the battle was over within 15 minutes from the first attack.

Too much Hollywood westerns, and PBS America Docu's I guess! ;)

Well, that's more or less what Custer did. Poor reconnaissance and divided forces against a foe with considerably superior numbers. Had Custer listened to his scouts, not divided into separate forces, and taken along the Gatling guns and reinforcements he'd been offered, it might well have been a different battle.


Even with half of the 7th gone with Custer, Reno and Benteen were able to reunite and hold off the attacking Sioux and Cheyenne, so the full 7th may well have been more than they could have dealt with.


But yes, trying to play with a historical setup (to the extent we know what happened) virtually ensures a US Army defeat.

Well looks like you can try all that in the game. Not pulled the trigger yet, not certain about his games.

[magnus]

When the Crow scouts started their death rituals I wonder what the troopers thought.

Much like Queequeg on the Pequot.

It is a battle that was pretty much lost before it started. The actual recon wasn't poor the scouts new exactly what was coming.

When you also add in all of the immense hatred, not even dislike, between Custer and his subordinates.

It is also possible, according to some authors, that Reno and Benteen could have gone to Custer's aid since the Indians left them to attack Custer. I doubt it, because of the shape they were in.

The other factor is the pace and lack of sleep on the troopers part. Everyone knew on both sides that this would be the last great Indian battle.

Libby Custer made it her life's work to put the blame on everyone but her husband, where it belonged and she did a very good job of it.

Custer saw it as his ticket to the White House. His part in the campaign was explained to him in detail. The only problem was that if he followed it, all of the glory wouldn't have gone to him.

Not to hijack the thread, but this is one of the campaigns that is begging for a treatment of a game like Decisive Campaigns Barbarossa. I think they are on a great roll with adding ill will between subordinates etc..

[Grim.Reaper]

No idea good these games are from the developer, but next planned game by him sounds interesting....


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[magnus]

PB sounds excellent.

These battles haven't been touched by HPS for a long time.

[TacticalWargames]

You get options like Gatling Guns to see how things would have panned out if Custer had taken them. He refused due to them slowing him down.