Quote from: Skoop on May 13, 2024, 08:16:30 PMThe 2nd SS and the near breakthrough at prokarovka is a legendary moment, but you can't have an encirclement with only one pincer. The arty and trenches were so effective on the north side, the Germans could never get past ponryi which was only a few miles from where they started. So yes arty and trenches won Kursk.
I'd be all in for dozens of arty shell factories springing up all over America to produce 100,000 shells per month for Ukraine, but good luck convincing fellow tax payers on that trillion dollar endeavor, especially since we aren't really at war. But that's what's really going to make a difference in Ukraine, not a hodgepodge of Bradley's, abrams, and f16s. Artillery is still the god of war in 2024.
Quote from: Skoop on May 11, 2024, 09:41:12 PMA dozen F16s is like panthers and elephants winning at Kursk'43, arty and trenches won that one too.
QuoteFor Putin deadlock is preferable to defeat but victory would be better. He had reason to believe at the start of this year that he might have a path to victory as his forces pressed hard against Ukrainian positions along the line of contact while the US Congress was paralysed by Republican Party splits. This led to concern that we had reached a turning point in this war, with Russia having the more reason to be optimistic.
The pendulum has yet to swing in the other direction but Russia's big push has not yielded decisive results and its position could worsen towards the end of this year. So for the third year in a row Putin has celebrated a famous victory of almost eight decades ago while being unable to claim a new victory.
Quote from: Gusington on May 11, 2024, 06:36:09 PMPeace at what cost is the question. Is Ukraine ready to accept that 20% or more of their territory is now Russian and may be forever?