http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/03/gunshots-reported-at-youtube-headquarters-in-california.html
https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-police-respond-to-reports-of-active-shooter-at-youtube-hq-in-san-bruno/
...oops :-[, meant to post this in the Current Events forum.
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Hospital officials told KTVU that they received multiple patients.
...not sounding good. >:(
This didn't take long at all.
I hate to say it, but it was only a matter of time, since they started censoring and banning gun-related content.
http://kios.org/post/active-shooter-youtube-hq-san-bruno-calif-victims-taken-hospital
Shooter is dead by her own hand. Three injured. No motive as of yet.
I've seen in three places that it was a lovers spat. One of the victims was the shooters ex boyfriend
Hell hath no fury.
Glad the only death so far was the perp. Hope that holds.
....i have read somewhere (maybe it was the onion ;)) that a women's and queer rights SJW-organisation already demanding:
"It cant be right that a women on a rampage cant shoot straight, and still don't achieve the same terrifying results and so equal level of public recognition as a male aggressor in a personal crisis. There has to be a state financed free target training and weapons familiarisation program for woman, queers, and gender insecure persons"
YouTube shooting: Female suspect 'angry over video postings'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43638221
In January 2017 she posted a video complaining that YouTube was filtering her content, leading to fewer views.
On her website she also ranted against YouTube, saying: "Videos of targeted users are filtered and merely relegated, so that people can hardly see their videos."
She also wrote: "There is no equal growth opportunity on YouTube or any other video sharing site. Your channel will grow if they want [it] to!"
Aghdam's father, Ismail, told local US media she was angry because YouTube had stopped paying her for videos
Quote from: MikeGER on April 04, 2018, 01:12:18 AM
....i have read somewhere (maybe it was the onion ;)) that a women's and queer rights SJW-organisation already demanding:
"It cant be right that a women on a rampage cant shoot straight, and still don't achieve the same terrifying results and so equal level of public recognition as a male aggressor in a personal crisis. There has to be a state financed free target training and weapons familiarisation program for woman, queers, and gender insecure persons"
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This is tragic, though I'm honestly surprised it took this long to happen. YouTube is known for being biased in how it enforces its de-monitization policies. Though going in guns blazing is a bit of an over-reaction, obviously. Her videos might not have been all that interesting to begin with.
Hope those that were injured make a quick recovery.
Incidentally, while she has an evidently Muslim-sounding name, she was apparently posting vegan environmentalist things. So, not exactly the rationale one might inductively expect from past experience. (I'm using "rationale" for want of a better word.)
https://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story/0002/20180404/KCN1HB0WB_2
In case that's paywalled (though I doubt it should be):
QuoteAghdam ran a website called NasimeSabz.com, which translates as "Green Breeze" from Persian, on which she posted about Persian culture, veganism and long, rambling passages railing against corporations and governments.
"BE AWARE! Dictatorships exist in all countries. But with different tactics," she wrote. "They care only for short term profits & anything to to reach their goals even by fooling simple-minded people."
More at the Reuters article.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nasim-aghdam-reportedly-idd-as-youtube-shooter?ref=home
The woman suspected of shooting three people at YouTube HQ "hated" the video-sharing company, according to her father, who spoke to a local newspaper reporter Tuesday night.
Nasim Aghdam's dad told the Bay Area News Group that he had warned police officers his daughter might be headed for the YouTube campus when she was reported missing by the family this week.
Mountain View police confirmed they had found a woman going by the same name asleep in her car in the early hours of Tuesday morning. A spokeswoman told the AP they had called her family to let them know she was safe, but did not comment on the claims they were warned about her ultimate destination.
Aghdam's brother said he feared she may do something dangerous.
"I Googled 'Mountain View' and it was close to YouTube headquarters. And she had a problem with Youtube," the brother told KGTV. "So I called that cop again and told him there's a reason she went all the way from San Diego to there, so she might do something.
Hours later, she opened fire.
"So they didn't do anything, and she got killed," the brother said.Quote from: JasonPratt on April 04, 2018, 08:11:13 AM
Incidentally, while she has an evidently Muslim-sounding name
Aghdam's family said they arrived in California from Iran in 1996. Her brother said Nasim had been living in San Diego with her grandfather.
This seems like an obvious case of a delusional individual upset over youtube's content and monetization policies that she perceived as an unfair form of censorship.
I am curious how she got into the building in the first place. Most companies (esp. tech) have pretty good badge or biometric (or both) based security.
Quote from: DoctorQuest on April 04, 2018, 09:28:52 AM
I am curious how she got into the building in the first place. Most companies (esp. tech) have pretty good badge or biometric (or both) based security.
The story said she approached the building by way of an outside patio, where employees were having lunch, and opened fire.
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this is just yet another social media narcissist that can't take criticism or unfollows or whatever and is taking it out on YT. Like I said, I know YT is very selective about how it chooses to enforce its rules, but from what some stories have said of her channel and content, she sounds like she was something of a rambling dullard. Who knows.
A militant animal rights activist YouTuber snapped and took it out on some YT employees after getting her channel demonetized.
I'll go out on a limb and say it was an inevitability. Judging by how quickly her family members realized she was probably going to go postal, after she went missing for a short time, and they notified authorities of that belief. :(
The hyperactive blame-rage environment, which has been increasingly popularized in American media & politics, is doing no favors for the mentally ill or those on whom they lay blame and target. Dividends of the victimhood olympics.
Sounds like she was nuts, but let's make sure that we keep the blame squarely where it belongs: with the shooter.
No one at YouTube deserves a bullet just because the company sucks at consistent policy enforcement.
Any news on where she got the weapon?
Quote from: DoctorQuest on April 04, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
Any news on where she got the weapon?
Not sure. Certainly, nobody can blame lax gun laws though, this being the People's Republic of Kalifornia.
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on April 04, 2018, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on April 04, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
Any news on where she got the weapon?
Not sure. Certainly, nobody can blame lax gun laws though, this being the People's Republic of Kalifornia.
My question was more around whether she legally purchased or "borrowed" from a friend or relative. I was not trying to start a gun control debate as much as just fill in the blanks regarding the incident. One can only speculate what she would have done had she not had access to a firearm.
Quote from: DoctorQuest on April 04, 2018, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Jarhead0331 on April 04, 2018, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: DoctorQuest on April 04, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
Any news on where she got the weapon?
Not sure. Certainly, nobody can blame lax gun laws though, this being the People's Republic of Kalifornia.
My question was more around whether she legally purchased or "borrowed" from a friend or relative. I was not trying to start a gun control debate as much as just fill in the blanks regarding the incident. One can only speculate what she would have done had she not had access to a firearm.
Your question was clear. I'm not trying to start a debate, but if you aren't interested in a question of gun control, or accessibility of firearms, why even ask the question? I'm only pointing out the simple fact that California has the stiffest gun laws in the country. A reasonable point given the question, I think.
Quote from: BanzaiCat on April 04, 2018, 06:00:09 AM
This is tragic, though I'm honestly surprised it took this long to happen. YouTube is known for being biased in how it enforces its de-monitization policies. Though going in guns blazing is a bit of an over-reaction, obviously. Her videos might not have been all that interesting to begin with.
Hope those that were injured make a quick recovery.
My thoughts too, although I didn't anticipate someone would just randomly attack workers with a firearm.
I think their demonetisation policy is often appalling, especially so for those content makers who put a lot of effort into their work. But shooting the ordinary workers is just plain wrong. I hope they recover from their injuries soon.
Now shooting those responsible for the demonetisation policy...? nah, just kidding... ;)
Quote from: Pete Dero on April 04, 2018, 08:30:46 AM
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 04, 2018, 08:11:13 AM
Incidentally, while she has an evidently Muslim-sounding name
Aghdam's family said they arrived in California from Iran in 1996. Her brother said Nasim had been living in San Diego with her grandfather.
Yes, I know, although rapid radicalization among 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants isn't unheard of. But my point was that the ethnic culture doesn't seem to have been a factor. (Unless maybe in a suuuper-loopy indirect way. Who knows what was going through her mind exactly in how she justified her actions to herself? But for now I'm expecting any militant violence to have inculturated, so to speak, from other directions.)
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 04, 2018, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Pete Dero on April 04, 2018, 08:30:46 AM
Quote from: JasonPratt on April 04, 2018, 08:11:13 AM
Incidentally, while she has an evidently Muslim-sounding name
Aghdam's family said they arrived in California from Iran in 1996. Her brother said Nasim had been living in San Diego with her grandfather.
I think that is a complete red herring. I don't see from the evidence that this has anything to do with her being a Muslim. As far as I can tell she was angered at the demonetisation policy, and was going to make Google pay in blood. i.e. she was a nutcase.
Yes, I know, although rapid radicalization among 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants isn't unheard of. But my point was that the ethnic culture doesn't seem to have been a factor. (Unless maybe in a suuuper-loopy indirect way. Who knows what was going through her mind exactly in how she justified her actions to herself? But for now I'm expecting any militant violence to have inculturated, so to speak, from other directions.)
Quote from: Boggit on April 05, 2018, 11:35:16 AM
I think that is a complete red herring. I don't see from the evidence that this has anything to do with her being a Muslim. As far as I can tell she was angered at the demonetisation policy, and was going to make Google pay in blood. i.e. she was a nutcase.
Quote from: JasonPrattYes, I know, although rapid radicalization among 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants isn't unheard of. But my point was that the ethnic culture doesn't seem to have been a factor. (Unless maybe in a suuuper-loopy indirect way. Who knows what was going through her mind exactly in how she justified her actions to herself? But for now I'm expecting any militant violence to have inculturated, so to speak, from other directions.) [...W]hile she has an evidently Muslim-sounding name, she was apparently posting vegan environmentalist things. So, not exactly the rationale one might inductively expect from past experience. (I'm using "rationale" for want of a better word.)
Amazingly, when I repeatedly said the evidence points to inculturalization (as I put it) from
other directions than a Muslim background,
despite her having an Iranian background, my quotes still work when posted in any order! ::)
However, I allowed for the technical possibility that she was declaring her own little jihad for vegan rights or whatever. I haven't heard evidence of how she justified the attack, to herself, but it is not grossly rare for people to borrow concepts from prior cultures they've been exposed to even when they reject those cultures otherwise, repurposing them for their new intentions. It's pretty dang common actually! -- for better or for worse. But that's just me hedging my bets in case tomorrow I read somewhere that she had written a manifesto last week and called it a 'fatwa' because that sounded cool and she thought she'd be putting the concept to (in her looped-out estimate) good use.
Her actions appear to be those of someone with a narcissistic disorder which rapidly declined into a psychpathic one resulting from she perceived as rejection of her worthiness and even betrayal by her chosen significant other, Youtube. After elevating her to 'meaningful' heights in the online world with her videos and paying her for them, allowing her to keep making more without other income, Evil Youtube suddenly took it all away from her for reasons she could only understand as rejection. The only thing left in her mind was revenge in the form of a one-sided Leibestod.
I read on Reuters that her weapons were purchased legally.
Quote from: Gusington on April 05, 2018, 08:00:42 PM
I read on Reuters that her weapons were purchased legally.
By her?
I only ask because recently the press sort of elided past who exactly purchased a shooter's weapons legally. (It wasn't him, he borrowed them without explaining his intent. i.e. stole.)
Yes by her.
Interesting!
Note - I only saw it mentioned once a few days ago and not since. Pretty sure it was Reuters reporting that.
Quote from: Gusington on April 06, 2018, 02:43:08 PM
Note - I only saw it mentioned once a few days ago and not since. Pretty sure it was Reuters reporting that.
Purchased in San Diego on Jan. 16.
YouTube shooter legally purchased firearm in San Diego earlier this year April 5, 2018
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/youtube-shooting-nasim-aghdam-legal-firearm-san-bruno-california/
BTW for those who don't really know what the shooter was upset about, her anger at Youtube randomly demonetizing content creators' videos seems to be a shared thing behind the scenes in the professional content creator world. Apparently Youtube uses some kind of massive algorithmic bot system to determine if a particular video deserves partaking in ad revenue money or not, and can even do so retroactively going back several years. It seems that no one, not even the folks at Youtube, understand how their frankenbot even works anymore.
Here's Lindybeige, one of those other 'professional youtubers' ranting about it last year:
Quote from: Staggerwing on April 09, 2018, 07:31:51 PM
BTW for those who don't really know what the shooter was upset about, her anger at Youtube randomly demonetizing content creators' videos seems to be a shared thing behind the scenes in the professional content creator world. Apparently Youtube uses some kind of massive algorithmic bot system to determine if a particular video deserves partaking in ad revenue money or not, and can even do so retroactively going back several years. It seems that no one, not even the folks at Youtube, understand how their frankenbot even works anymore.
Yep.
They've even taken measures to hide parts of their automated flagging code when people started digging around, attempting to figure out what some of the values were. That was probably almost two years ago. YouTube quickly hid that stuff from public eyes quickly afterward.
Thing is... YT openly stated that they were employing manual reviewers over a year ago. Unfortunately they briefly mentioned they were giving such censorship duties to luminary organizations like the SPLC and people working at Buzzfeed News, to name only a couple. ::) Some seriously biased censorship-happy types; wolves running the hen house.