The "Uber" Command: Modern Air/Naval Ops Thread

[Stardog765]

My response at the main forums.

"I love this game but I have to agree here, that is just a smack in the face to everyone who has supported this game since release.
I understand your reasoning but that doesn't make it right. To pull a feature no matter how much used or not JUST so you have bullet point to show your "professional" customers see look it is worth what we are charging you.

Very uncool and as much as I love the game and will always play it going forward I will have to think twice about buying the new LIVE scenario and any further content you deem worthy to sell us lowly "commercial" customers.

Sorry if that sounds negative but that is just the taste it leaves in my mouth and for the price I paid for this game I figure I am entitled to voice that opinion. "

[mirth]

Like I said, but suspecting you didn't read the entire conversation, I use it when building scenarios a lot or looking to see how something works.  I assume that is what its built for.

OK, its beta, but are you putting it back in based on feedback?  Since we are talking semantics, the release is called a Service Release.  The definition of an SR is a release for standard product still under development and being serviced.  Whether its fixing bugs or delivering promised features, it is considered part of the original release.

In any software business, its very bad form to remove functions on SRs.  Its a good way to get into trouble.

The title of the string you downloaded the files from is titled Command v1.11 Service Release 7 - Release Candidate [CURRENT: B906.15]. If this is not clear we're definitely open to suggestions on how to do it
better.

Once all Updates and SR's are done they get pushed via the update button or through steams pipeline.

I can't speak to your experience in the software business only mine. Our current paradigm has been successful because we've able to collect valuable feedback and catch bugs and fix them prior to release. I haven't seen much negative feedback on doing this and I'm pretty confident in saying its produced a better product. So it works, most our players seem happy so we're going with it until it doesn't work.

Thanks!

Mike

Removing an existing feature isn't a bug fix.

It sounds like you will remove existing features as you see fit and see if any notices or raises a stink about it.

Since this is a beta, is there a plan for leaving the record and playback tool in the final release for the update? And what are the other features Dimitris hinted you are considering for removal?

[RyanE]

The problem I see now is that you two devs have argued youeselves into a corner.  I don't think you guys have it in you to lose face on reversing yourself now.  Its starting to percolate a little on your own site now.  But listening to how you talk on your own forums, I have to assume you really don't give a crap about the retail side of things, and maybe even secretly wish it would go away.

btw, you talk up your development process all you want.  But there are terms like Service Release and beta that have real meaning and are regarded legally to have specific meaning.  Beta means "feature or functionally complete".  If you are adding and pulling major features, its actually alpha.  Now many of terms have been watered down in the last 10 years, but if you are developing for the DoD, you better nail that down and stick to it.  It will eventually have rev rec implications.

[Zulu1966]

Like I said, but suspecting you didn't read the entire conversation, I use it when building scenarios a lot or looking to see how something works.  I assume that is what its built for.

OK, its beta, but are you putting it back in based on feedback?  Since we are talking semantics, the release is called a Service Release.  The definition of an SR is a release for standard product still under development and being serviced.  Whether its fixing bugs or delivering promised features, it is considered part of the original release.

In any software business, its very bad form to remove functions on SRs.  Its a good way to get into trouble.

The title of the string you downloaded the files from is titled Command v1.11 Service Release 7 - Release Candidate [CURRENT: B906.15]. If this is not clear we're definitely open to suggestions on how to do it
better.

Once all Updates and SR's are done they get pushed via the update button or through steams pipeline.

I can't speak to your experience in the software business only mine. Our current paradigm has been successful because we've able to collect valuable feedback and catch bugs and fix them prior to release. I haven't seen much negative feedback on doing this and I'm pretty confident in saying its produced a better product. So it works, most our players seem happy so we're going with it until it doesn't work.

Thanks!

Mike

All I can say is you must be making a hell of a lot of money outa that military contract as you obviously dont want to sell any more games to the wargaming community anymore, but then that appears to have been the plan all along. You still havent had the guts to justify the central point though ... did I pay for that feature or not ? Is it right you now take it away - frankly your attempts to crawl out of the hole Dimitris dug you into by saying its a beta are laughable ...

Jeez man - this ... Recorder & replay ability still appears on the matrix website selling the game.

[bayonetbrant]

How do you guys 3 pages in 5 hours...  WTF people?  Go find some porn or something

[RyanE]

This is kind of like porn...

[bostonmyk]

I am not going to argue the quality of the product or your commitment to it.  My personal opinion is that both are very good.  I will argue your approach to customers and the trend I am seeing of turning your backs on the retail customers who gave you the money to potentially win big.  You haven't done it yet, but I am starting to see the cracks in the wall.  Its called "getting too big for your britches", "forgetting your root", "stepping on the backs of the people who got you there", etc.

You guys, as business people have a very obvious habit of alienating people all around.  You guys never seem to be able to say you made a mistake on things like this.

I'm sure your answer will be "they were all out to get me".  You giys should consider merging with esims, your business styles mesh well.

Have no idea who esims is but sounds like you don't like them.

Outside of our own game I play lots of Arma, boardgames and have even been looking at RPG's I haven't played since I was young. Generally I focus on having fun with them as its a way to get away from the job etc and not something that should be a cause for stress (well unless I botch that saving throw). Point is you can carry alot of angst about game or you can have fun with them.

As far as our company nobody is perfect and but people always try their best. Believe me we've made mistakes but we try and learn from them. I hope how much our product has grown since day one shows that. Finally what you guys and the community say is important to us and we do try and factor that into each decision.

Anyways nuff said. Have a nice weekend guys. Have fun!

Thanks!

Mike

Have a nice weekend guys.

Mike

[mirth]

Go find some porn or something

Why do you say that? Is PornHub taking away features too?!

[Zulu1966]

Go find some porn or something

Why do you say that? Is PornHub taking away features too?!

No - a porn company has far more respect for its morals and customers than Warfare sims and Matrix do...

[mirth]

Finally what you guys and the community say is important to us and we do try and factor that into each decision.

I think it's safe to say we don't like to see features stripped out of the game and reserved for the "pro" edition.

[Grim.Reaper]

Go find some porn or something

Why do you say that? Is PornHub taking away features too?!

They are only in beta now....seems that is the new process of taking away features.

[jamus34]

Go find some porn or something

Why do you say that? Is PornHub taking away features too?!

They are only in beta now....seems that is the new process of taking away features.

Pasties and merkins will be digitally inserted until you pay the "full monty" fee?

[MikeGER]

...Abwehr I i (SIGINT) was able to intercept some hectic late night Skype traffic yesterday between the developers.^-^
and that's what planed to remain finally after some more "service patches"   



an old native Groghead saying

"When the last feature got removed,
the last consumer right taken away,
and the last quantum of trust in developer marketing promises (before release) has faded 
CMANO fanboys will realize that they only look at an static credits screen left"

;)

[Pete Dero]

Go find some porn or something

Why do you say that? Is PornHub taking away features too?!

It might even be worse   :o :

This week, the popular porn company Brazzers was placed on Russia's infamous "blocklist," becoming the third porn site in the last six months to be banned by the country's internet watchdog Roskomnadzor. The ruling came down from a Russian court, which argued that the Brazzers XXX site has a "purely negative impact on the human psyche".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/11/russia-has-declared-war-on-porn-will-the-gop-do-the-same.html

[Dimitris]

So let me get this straight. (I just want to make sure I understand your argument)

When you buy a new version of [ Windows / Office / Adobe suite / COD / FIFA / MSFS / etc. ] and a feature previously available has been removed, it's OK because you bought a new SKU so you're getting exactly what you paid for at that point (even though you pay more money overall, since you already paid for the previous version).

Whereas if the same feature removal happens during an optional free update (which has enough changes to easily qualify as a new paid-for SKU if we wanted to do that), it's a mortal sin because it's offered as an update and not a new SKU.

Right?