The "Uber" Command: Modern Air/Naval Ops Thread

[GDS_Starfury]

granted but, I dont recall any real weather effects in Harpoon.  maybe sea state but nothing effecting anything above 1 foot above sea level.

[Herman Hum]

  The player has no choice in the matter.  The artificial limit is 950 knots regardless of the circumstances.  Your pilot family member might decide to fly slower than 950 knots, but he will never be allowed to fly faster in MNO (regardless of what he might have done in real life.)

in the real world he might not be allowed to.  I would submit that a F-15e can hit mach 2.5 on paper.  clean....
loaded up with missiles and bombs it aint coming close to that.  an F-14 can hit roughly the same.  clean...

It matters not the circumstances.  It does not matter if it is 'absolutely necessary', 'in combat', 'merge', or whatever.  The player has no choice in the matter. 

it absolutely does.  any service person has standing orders to not fuckup the equipment they are issued.  of course that are lots of oversights with this when shit hits the fan.  thats beyond the scope on this simulation and thats something you dont like or acknowledge.

Maximum MNO fighter speed on Afterburner

950 kts - F15e Clean (only gas)
950 kts - F15e Fully loaded

950 kts - F-14 Clean
950 kts - F-14 Loaded

950 kts - Shit hits the fan
950 kts - Shit doesn't hit the fan

950 kts - Standing orders not to f***** equipment
950 kts - Standing orders to f***** equipment

[GDS_Starfury]

what cant you get down with 1100 mph?

[GDS_Starfury]

better yet, why cant you mod it?

[Herman Hum]

better yet, why cant you mod it?

That's exactly the point.  You cannot modify it in any way shape or form with a game like MNO.  That's an arbitrary 950kt limit.  You cannot increase or decrease this limitation.  You can change these types of values and limitations in virtually any other wargame.

If you don't mind the limitation, great.  However, there are others who do not agree with the limit and are forced to accept someone else's perception of reality.

[GDS_Starfury]

how soon after its initial release were people able to mod Harpoon?

[GDS_Starfury]

every game can be modded if your clever about it.   ;)

[Herman Hum]

how soon after its initial release were people able to mod Harpoon?

The scenario editor was available from day 1 and the dB editor appeared 13 months later, I think.

every game can be modded if your clever about it.   ;)

Some folks have already talked about how they use third-party programs to read and modify the MNO database.  However, this is a contravention to the terms of use issued by Matrix. I think that discussion of such topics is prohibited by the forum rules.

[GDS_Starfury]

not the scenario editor, the ability to change the game at its roots.
dont be a pussy and hide behind a EULA.  every good game gets modded.
its actually in the best interest of devs to let their game be modded as it adds legs and sales to said game.

[Reckall]

Which begs the question: Why Matrix asked to post on SimHQ a review of version 1.01 "pronto!" (made by an obvious fanatic) and thus sinking the original 1.00 review by Herman? Inquiring minds already know the answer.

Because someone

[Like: Matrix]

Complained about Herman's review to SimHQ editors, the editors assessed the complaint, decided it had some merit and then decided to ask for a second opinion.

As for "sinking" reviews: Herman's original review is still posted on simhq.com site, and it appears - surprise, surprise - as the first result of a search on the site

http://www.simhq.com/?s=Command%3A+Modern+Air+%2F+Naval&submit=Search

No one ever said that Matrix's stunt always work. Actually, they mostly backfire (*)

(*) Which, ironically, can do MACH 2, but in "Command" has its speed capped at 950kts...

To be honest, I take issue with people assuming that everyone on the Internet are gullible morons who can't check things by themselves and form an opinion.

Still, some people survive by selling goods EXACTLY to this kind of people.

[mirth]

Some folks have already talked about how they use third-party programs to read and modify the MNO database.  However, this is a contravention to the terms of use issued by Matrix. I think that discussion of such topics is prohibited by the forum rules.

You very well know such topics are prohibited by the forum rules. You've been warned before when you tried to publicly post how to circumvent protections on scenarios in Flashpoint Campaigns.

I've worked out a way to unlock the scenarios so that they can be modified and saved.  If anyone wants the unlocked scenarios so that they can tinker, just drop me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send them your way.

I haven't read through this entire thread to see how and where things began to spiral out of control, but here is what I have to say.

Herman, if you plan on distributing any modified, altered and/or unlocked content against the will/policy/EULA, etc. of the developers and designers of Flashpoint Campaigns through our forums you are placed on notice that doing so will violate the terms of your use of this website.  I am directing you to not facilitate this conduct through our forum.

If I discover that you have transferred files or instructions through our PM system or on our boards, you will be banned.

Thanks for cooperation.

[Herman Hum]

not the scenario editor, the ability to change the game at its roots.
dont be a pussy and hide behind a EULA.  every good game gets modded.
its actually in the best interest of devs to let their game be modded as it adds legs and sales to said game.

Very true and I couldn't agree with you more.  However, those are the terms for this game.  Let them sit alone in the dark and stroke the unsold CD copies of their games all the while whispering, "My PRECCCCCCCIOUSSSSSSSSS!"

[Jarhead0331]

So let me get this straight....the last 5 or so pages of this thread are dedicated to someone arguing CMANO is a bad simulation because most aircraft have a maximum speed that is a few knots lower than spec?  In the face of all this simulation does, if that is the biggest thing one can find to bitch about, I'd say the argument is pretty transparent and all can see it for what it really is.

Some people will always try swimming against the current.

[Jarhead0331]

not the scenario editor, the ability to change the game at its roots.
dont be a pussy and hide behind a EULA.  every good game gets modded.
its actually in the best interest of devs to let their game be modded as it adds legs and sales to said game.

Abiding by the law is not being a pussy. It's called being smart. Don't be a dumbass and encourage modification that may be in violation of the terms of a EULA. If you encourage that activity again in our forum, you'll be banned.

[GDS_Starfury]

 C:-)