Israel

[Uberhaus]

https://twitter.com/LauraHuu/status/1711392260636483624

That will be one ugly narrative that can go to hell. 

So Halminen is a prominent Finnish journalist who defied the Finnish government.  Clearly though, you feel she is trustworthy in that you have posted her comments, Crossroads.

[JasonPratt]

Re Iran's intentions for prodding Hamas to go now (and maybe joined by other groups nearby): I don't know that this would necessarily scotch the Saudi peace deals. The actual king was always against the deals, but he isn't running the country right now; the prince (interviewed by Baer) is. He has some internal political calculus to juggle, but he's unlikely to snuggle up to Iran now, and peace with Israel is the best way for him (currently) to keep his side of power around the Persian Gulf. Whether that gets him and his allies ganked by other Saudis is something he'll have to worry about and try to parry.

My own suspicion is this: we recently learned that Iran has enriched Uranium (or Plutonium, I forget which, and not where I can check atm) over the threshold of weapons grade. There is less than no reason to do this for local energy generation purposes, and they've been pretty consistent about what they plan to do with that material if they ever get it to weapon grade.

Intelligence estimates indicate that Iran can now produce a nuclear weapon and mount it on a missile capable of reaching Israel, within 12 days of whenever they decide to go. Or deliver it by some other method, down to a set of backpack-sized weapons.

Israel of course has also been VERY consistent for years, that if Iran ever goes over a threshold toward producing such a weapon, they're gonna just send over an air force and remove that capability with extreme prejudice. That threshold has probably been crossed. (There may be some other technical constraints that I don't know about which haven't triggered an Israeli attack yet, but the situation has to be close.)

Iran might be well-advised to throw their sponsored local doom-pets at Israel as a major military distraction, if Iran intends to go for the nuclear attack prep at relatively the least risk of being interdicted by the Israeli Air Force (plus spec-op support).

[Uberhaus]

Jason, I hope your church members are safe.

I strongly doubt that Hamas, who I believe are Shia and backed by Iran, have Daesh training or experience, considering the hatred they have for Shia Muslims, unless Fox is meaning that they were modelled on them.  Points one and two are very interesting though.

[GDS_Starfury]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711421376408453190

[Tripoli]

Jason, I hope your church members are safe.

I strongly doubt that Hamas, who I believe are Shia and backed by Iran, have Daesh training or experience, considering the hatred they have for Shia Muslims, unless Fox is meaning that they were modelled on them.  Points one and two are very interesting though.

Hamas is Sunni.  They just work with Iran,  in more of a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type relationship.  Hamas also gets around 100 million USD from Iran.  They had a bit of a falling out over Syria a few years back, but generally speaking, they have worked together for decades.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#:~:text='Islamic%20Resistance%20Movement')%20is,political%20force%22%20within%20Palestinian%20politics.&text=State%20allies%3A,Afghanistan%20(Taliban)

[GDS_Starfury]

[W8taminute]

Praying for your church members, Jason, and also for the peace of Jerusalem and the salvation of Israel.

[Uberhaus]

Hamas is Sunni.  They just work with Iran,  in more of a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" type relationship.  Hamas also gets around 100 million USD from Iran.  They had a bit of a falling out over Syria a few years back, but generally speaking, they have worked together for decades.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#:~:text='Islamic%20Resistance%20Movement')%20is,political%20force%22%20within%20Palestinian%20politics.&text=State%20allies%3A,Afghanistan%20(Taliban)

I stand corrected, sorry Jason.  PM Netenyahu also jusy stated that Hamas is Daesh.  If they are being incorporated into Hamas that is a very ugly situation. 

[al_infierno]

I wonder if DetCord is gonna fly over with his operator buddies and kick some Arab ass.

[UN Weapons Inspector]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/09/they-are-in-my-house-kibbutz-survivors-tell-of-hamas-attack

[UN Weapons Inspector]

Until the late 1980s, older members of Nahal Oz used to regularly drive a few miles west, to shop in Gaza City's markets, eat the enclave's famous seafood, or go for a walk on the Mediterranean coastline. Many still have friends in Gaza. Despite the Israeli blockade imposed in 2007, after the militant group Hamas seized control of the area, they kept in touch with calls and WhatsApp messages.
 
all emotions aside, it is just people living next to each other.

[UN Weapons Inspector]

Calm down would be the best response, as difficult it is. And respect towards all the victims.

[UN Weapons Inspector]

Which i mean stop posting graphic pictures

[GDS_Starfury]

respectfully, no.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711497534860902412

[Gusington]

How anyone could cheer what Hamas has done is beyond my understanding - absolutely revolting and moronic.

And as Star posted on the first page of this thread, Hamas has started their own destruction.

I too was not crazy about the Israeli government's turn over the last few years but screw that now.

Jason as others have posted I hope your church members are ok. A lot of Americans got caught up in this.

My older daughter will be 18 next year and has started talking about her Birthright trip to Israel...I cannot imagine what we would be doing right now if she got caught up in this while on Birthright.

https://www.birthrightisrael.com/