http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/05/us-russia-putin-nazi-law-idUSBREA440IV20140505
"... Then they came for the journalists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a journalist...."
Maybe he should try outlawing alcohol.
He's not that dumb.
I do find it amazing how the West continues to indulge him however. This guy makes Brezhnev seem like a liberal reformist.
thats what you get when you have 2500+ nukes in your hip pocket.
obama should remember that we used to have the balls to actually use our.
Truth does not need to be protected by laws like that. The Nazi record in WW2 is pretty well known. Soviet record as an aggressor in WW2 is not, and that is what Putin is trying to hide. Soviets were never the good guys.
Quote from: pawelj on May 07, 2014, 07:37:12 AM
Truth does not need to be protected by laws like that. The Nazi record in WW2 is pretty well known. Soviet record as an aggressor in WW2 is not, and that is what Putin is trying to hide. Soviets were never the good guys.
+1
The KGB, er I mean FSB, we'll be speaking with both of you shortly. Please stay in your current location.
New Russian "blogger law" was just passed as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/world/europe/russia-quietly-tightens-reins-on-web-with-bloggers-law.html?smid=tw-share&smv1&_r=1
Quote from: pawelj on May 07, 2014, 07:37:12 AM
Truth does not need to be protected by laws like that. The Nazi record in WW2 is pretty well known. Soviet record as an aggressor in WW2 is not, and that is what Putin is trying to hide. Soviets were never the good guys.
Anything related to the new wave of Russian revisionism immediately reminds me of the beginning of 2013 Russian "Stalingrad" movie (that I keep going on about). It started showing an Antonov in flight, carrying Russian rescue workers to a disaster in modern day Japan. Yes, a movie about a WWII battle starts off with the benevolent Russians sending aid to help the Japanese. Of course, the Russian rescue crew is then depicted saving a group of German high school girls trapped in the rubble of a Japanese building.
Quote from: mirth on May 07, 2014, 08:11:14 AM
The KGB, er I mean FSB, we'll be speaking with both of you shortly. Please stay in your current location.
were they not replaced by the groginati?
jarheads reduced forum time makes all the more sense now
Quote from: undercovergeek on May 07, 2014, 08:14:24 AMwere they not replaced by the groginati?
you're cute
they work for us
through a couple of shell companies, of course
Quote from: pawelj on May 07, 2014, 07:37:12 AM
Truth does not need to be protected by laws like that. The Nazi record in WW2 is pretty well known. Soviet record as an aggressor in WW2 is not, and that is what Putin is trying to hide. Soviets were never the good guys.
True. Everyone seems to forget that from 1939-40 Stalin invaded the Poles, Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians. All of which were independent sovereign states, which had not acted aggressively to the Soviet Union.
The state policy of mass murder was used throughout this period, with 150,000 Polish POW's to have been killed, but for the anecdotal evidence that Marshal Kulik - himself murdered by Stalin in 1950 - intervened so that "only" 26,000 officers would be murdered at Katyn, and elsewhere. In 1944-45 to the shame of the UK, which had guaranteed the independence of Poland, and the USA, the USSR was allowed to create a Russian Empire out of the countries that would subsequently be tied to the Warsaw Pact.
All these countries suffered oppression after 1945, and between 1944-45 Soviet forces were infamous for rape, and murder. In fact in Poland, partisans were still fighting the Soviets until around 1949!!
I don't say any of this as an apology for the foul behaviour of the Nazis, but to support what Pawelj is saying about the Soviets. Of course being on the winning team, the excessive atrocities committed by the Soviet forces were never brought to account at Nuremburg, which is a pity.
Quote from: bayonetbrant on May 07, 2014, 09:52:03 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on May 07, 2014, 08:14:24 AMwere they not replaced by the groginati?
you're cute
they work for us
through a couple of shell companies, of course
is there anyone over "there" left to get fired? :2funny:
This is sad news. Only in recent years have western historians had access to Soviet archives and several great works have resulted.
Although this quote is interesting:
"Independent channel Dozhd (TV Rain) was taken off the air earlier this year after asking viewers whether Leningrad, now St Petersburg, should have been given to German troops to save lives during its 872-day siege during World War Two."
You would think Russians would know their history better. Hitler was very comfortable with starving the civilians in Leningrad, it was a part of the strategy. He didn't want to deal with a large captive population and would have likely starved them in any case. The Germans were incredibly brutal to civilian populations by this time and they would only get more brutal as time went on.