And it's happening not too far (about 40 minute drive) from Migsy's office.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/05/world/canada-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Condolences to the slain constables and their families.
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Terrible news. +1 on the condolences to the slain constables' families.
Just heard that on the way in to work..... any idea what set the guy off?
Quote from: Barthheart on June 05, 2014, 07:26:41 AM
Just heard that on the way in to work..... any idea what set the guy off?
24 and recently fired from Walmart.
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 05, 2014, 07:28:48 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on June 05, 2014, 07:26:41 AM
Just heard that on the way in to work..... any idea what set the guy off?
24 and recently fired from Walmart.
So.... just a wingnut then....
My thoughts and prayers go out to those slain in the recent shootings over in Moncton. I'm hoping they catch this guy soon before anymore victims. I've got some family spread out around there, haven't heard much yet. Crazy..
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-shooting-3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-1.2665359 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-shooting-3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-1.2665359)
His Facebook page is still live:
https://www.facebook.com/justin.bourque.5682?fref=ts
Some of the stuff from his (the gunman, Justin Bourque's) Facebook page:
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A cockroach in the concrete, courthouse tan and beady eyes.
A slouch with fallen arches, purging truths into great lies.
A little man with a big eraser, changing history
Procedures that he's programmed to, all he hears and sees.
Altering the facts and figures, events and every issue.
Make a person disappear, and no one will ever miss you.
Rewrites every story, every poem that ever was.
Eliminates incompetence, and those who break the laws.
Follow the instructions of the New Ways' Evil Book of Rules.
Replacing rights with wrongs, the files and records in the schools.
You say you've got the answers, well who asked you anyway?
Ever think maybe it was meant to be this way?
Don't try to fool us, we know the worst is yet to come.
I believe my kingdom will come.
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Sharpened claws poisoned tip manicure.
Painted skin hiding the beast within.
Daggered heels designed to cut your face.
No remorse crushing the human race.
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Human abortions aren't nearly as brutal as deer abortions! And yeah for every buck you don't kill you're letting him kill any young deer in the forest that is not in his gene pool! Hear that hippies and vegetables!? You're letting the baby deer die! Eat venison!
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Free of anger, free of hatred, free of pain, tell me what was this place supposed to be? Can ya hear? Can ya see? Can you see what they've done to me?
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Ask yourself, would you fight for the future of your children or grandchildren, or your family and friends sons and daughters?
The answer is: no you're too stupid to know what to fight for, cause we're already losing the silent war you don't wanna believe is happening.
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http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=10296.0
Idiots like him are the reason the police feel the need for more firepower. Idiot creates the problem he speaks out against.
40Cent - plese make sure it's clear that you're quoting the gunman's page. If that's your own commentary, that's fine, but please confine it to the gun control thread over in RPFW
Let's keep this thread focused on the unfolding event in NB and keep the political discussions appropriately corralled. Thanks
Quote from: bayonetbrant on June 05, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
40Cent - plese make sure it's clear that you're quoting the gunman's page. If that's your own commentary, that's fine, but please confine it to the gun control thread over in RPFW
Let's keep this thread focused on the unfolding event in NB and keep the political discussions appropriately corralled. Thanks
Ok, I'll make it more clear.
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on June 05, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
Idiots like him are the reason the police feel the need for more firepower. Idiot creates the problem he speaks out against.
Yeah, his actions are going to cause more of what he is against. Irony.
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 05, 2014, 07:28:48 AM
Quote from: Barthheart on June 05, 2014, 07:26:41 AM
Just heard that on the way in to work..... any idea what set the guy off?
24 and recently fired from Walmart.
Apparently he wasn't fired. He quit, and told his boss that it was likely that he'd never see him again. It also appears that he was deliberately targeting the police. I've heard that they're bringing in the Army from nearby CFB Gagetown to back-up the police at roadblocks.
A lot of those verses on his FB page are lyrics from Megadeath songs.
Seems like he was targeting police specifically. There is some speculation on the Canadian Gun forums that what pushed him over the edge was the acquittal last week of two RCMP officers in the 2013 shooting death of a Moncton man armed with a knife.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1349567/codiac-rcmp-not-responsible-for-death-of-moncton-man-fredericton-police/ (http://globalnews.ca/news/1349567/codiac-rcmp-not-responsible-for-death-of-moncton-man-fredericton-police/)
Just saw this on NBC...are they really bringing in the Canadian Army?
The slain and injured lawmen and their families are in my prayers
Quote from: Gusington on June 05, 2014, 06:07:12 PM
Just saw this on NBC...are they really bringing in the Canadian Army?
Doesn't the RCMP have some kind of militarized unit for this sort of occurrence?
Quote from: Centurion40 on June 05, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
And it's happening not too far (about 40 minute drive) from Migsy's office.
Aside: Where is Migs? He hasn't posted very much lately.
If he has assault rifles the RCMP is not designed to deal with it. Why not the army? They have personal armor, they can use APCs on the roads blocks, seems like the right gear for the job. We don't have the paranoia of our army, maybe because they don't have the heavy weapons of the US forces? We basically trust them to do their job without trashing the place.
There are ERTs similar to your SWAT. They are more trained for clearing a fixed building than open field manhunts. Again the Army seems appropriate.
^Cultural differences, that's all. As an American I wouldn't ever consider the army.
We used the Army in a standoff years back against the Mohawks. AFAIR it was settled without a bloody mess.
Quote from: Gusington on June 05, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
^Cultural differences, that's all. As an American I wouldn't ever consider the army.
If people dont like the thought of using the army for these types of events, isn't it understandable that the other organizations must try to gear up if they have to deal with them? It's a black hole. You have to fill the role somehow.
Toronto also likes to call out the army to shovel the streets if it snows too much for the yuppies to ride their bikes in January.... :P
There are twitter pics of the RCMP "SWAT" showing up on scene in Brinks armoured cars.... We have not para-militarized our police forces quite yet....
I didn't want to drag this thread into the militarization of the police debate but I guess it's too late now.
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on June 05, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
If he has assault rifles the RCMP is not designed to deal with it. Why not the army? They have personal armor, they can use APCs on the roads blocks, seems like the right gear for the job. We don't have the paranoia of our army, maybe because they don't have the heavy weapons of the US forces? We basically trust them to do their job without trashing the place.
There are ERTs similar to your SWAT. They are more trained for clearing a fixed building than open field manhunts. Again the Army seems appropriate.
It's law in the US. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the Army from participating in domestic law enforcement.
Quote from: Mr. Bigglesworth on June 05, 2014, 06:40:05 PM
We used the Army in a standoff years back against the Mohawks. AFAIR it was settled without a bloody mess.
The Army did a good job of ensuring things didn't escalate worse after the Quebec Provincial police got a bloody nose. Also not to forget the October Crisis back in 1970 (War Measures Act invoked). The War Measures act was replaced by the Emergencies Act.
what was the book I read about the Frenchies going nutty and getting reconquered?
Looks like they arrested the guy. That's good. I didn't think they'd get him alive based on his FB posts prior to the killings.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/06/justin-bourque-captured-accused-of-killing-three-rcmp-officers-in-moncton-on-wednesday/
Quote from: Gusington on June 05, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
^Cultural differences, that's all. As an American I wouldn't ever consider the army.
Yeah, we don't have the same cultural & political bias towards the Army on our streets.
That being said, I think that they got the cop killer before the Army deployed.
Quote from: Barthheart on June 05, 2014, 06:56:39 PM
Toronto also likes to call out the army to shovel the streets if it snows too much for the yuppies to ride their bikes in January.... :P
There are twitter pics of the RCMP "SWAT" showing up on scene in Brinks armoured cars.... We have not para-militarized our police forces quite yet....
Um...
The guy on the right is a cop.
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Looks like this ended in the best way possible.
Give him a fair trial, then throw him in the chipper. :knuppel2: Call it sentenced to Indiana Jones complete with falling stone ceiling forcing him in.
Just think of how much money could have been saved with a single $.39 bullet.
I still think the rope alternative has a higher public engagement factor >:D
I was in Moncton today and it was great to see alll the signs thanking the RCMP for capturing this peice of trash. An incident like this goea a long way towards retsoring faith in the RCMP - unfortunately, it cost three good cops their lives.