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Title: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: solops on June 25, 2014, 04:11:10 AM
Just bough it and I do not know yet how good this game might be, but I can tell you that it has no manual, only one of those accursed "in-game references." The lack of a manual DOES make a difference to some people, but not to others. It impacts my purchasing decisions. Most of the games I like are involved enough to need a good manual to refer to. I hope this game turns out to be good, but lack of a printed or PDF manual will certainly increase my frustration level and make the learning process longer than necessary. I may even find myself put off enough to never learn it thoroughly. I hope not. This is the second game I have bought in the last 18 months that had no manual...and no notice that a manual was lacking. I find this trend disturbing. Anyway, buyer beware.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: tgb on June 25, 2014, 05:42:11 AM
Did you buy it from Steam?  When there's a manual you can usually find a link to it on the product page, even before you purchase.  No link=no manual.  I don't know if there's a way to tell in advance from GOG or other download services.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: bbmike on June 25, 2014, 06:02:47 AM
I believe the developer said that the manual was incorporated into the in-game help so that they could constantly update it. So there would be no separate manual, just the in-game stuff. It seems like manuals for games are becoming extinct.  :(
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: solops on June 25, 2014, 06:08:10 AM
Great Caesar's Ghost....don't you two have something better to do at this time of day than look at game forums?
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: bbmike on June 25, 2014, 06:27:42 AM
Normally, yes, but we're all jacked into the net 24/7 during the Steam Summer Sale.  ;D
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: undercovergeek on June 25, 2014, 07:22:35 AM
it comes with encyclopedia thing in game
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Greybriar on June 25, 2014, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on June 25, 2014, 07:22:35 AM
it comes with encyclopedia thing in game

Disappointing.  :(
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: steve58 on June 25, 2014, 09:05:51 AM
As I am seriously considering picking this up while it is $20, I also find it disappointing that there is no manual.  Just did a quick lookie-look on the Steam forums and someone just posted this thread:  Manual Alternatives (http://steamcommunity.com/app/226840/discussions/0/522730700885134258/)
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Nefaro on June 25, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: tgb on June 25, 2014, 05:42:11 AM
Did you buy it from Steam?  When there's a manual you can usually find a link to it on the product page, even before you purchase.  No link=no manual.  I don't know if there's a way to tell in advance from GOG or other download services.

GOG lists all the extra files available for download on their games.

Each product page has a gray bar that says "Bonus content included.." and lists them.  Manuals, Maps, Art, Wallpapers, Soundtrack, etc.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Greybriar on June 25, 2014, 09:23:40 AM
Just saw this (http://steamcommunity.com/app/226840/discussions/0/522730700885134258/) on the Steam forums:
An out of game Tome of Wonders (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52019586/Tome%20of%20Wonders/tome.html)
Tables of Wonders (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YnqBPSrM0vTRd-HfB17qvXbwPhujpNENkdJp_VWrOnw/edit#gid=101933895)
Age of Wonders III Wiki (http://age-of-wonders-3.wikia.com/wiki/Age_Of_Wonders_3_Wiki)

None of those are a printed paper manual, but one could throw something together and print it off if so inclined.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on June 25, 2014, 09:37:39 AM
Quote from: Greybriar on June 25, 2014, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: undercovergeek on June 25, 2014, 07:22:35 AM
it comes with encyclopedia thing in game

Disappointing.  :(

You have to see it, it is huge. It also is hyperlinked all through to other sections. Far more useful than a regular manual.

Screenshot added.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Gusington on June 25, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
I like in-game manuals/encyclopedias...they don't replace paper manuals but i don't think we'll ever see them again.

Is AoWIII still 20.00?
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: solops on June 25, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
I have given up on paper manuals, but they could at least have given me a PDF manual I could read on my Kindle out by the pool.  And for the record, Dominions 4 did it right. They supplied a THOROUGH pdf manual and provided a third party who would print it out. I bought one.  Its f---ing huge!!  And in a nice, bound book form!!
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Martok on June 25, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
There's no denying the lack of a manual for AoW3 was disappointing, but Biggs isn't kidding when he talks about the in-game encyclopedia being huge.  It's both sizable, and extensive -- there's very few topics it hasn't been able to cover when I've had a question about something. 




Quote from: solops on June 25, 2014, 06:08:10 AM
Great Caesar's Ghost....don't you two have something better to do at this time of day than look at game forums?
LOL!  You, sir, win the internet today for using the phrase "Great Caesar's Ghost".  I've not seen that one in a while.  O0 




Quote from: Gusington on June 25, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
Is AoWIII still 20.00?
There's 22 hours, 10 minutes left as of the time of this post.  8) 

Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: SgtRock on June 25, 2014, 02:47:37 PM
I'm surprised we haven't seen any mods yet for this game?
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: steve58 on June 26, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
Posting this question here since its the latest AoW III thread.  Also didn't see anything on the Steam forums, so...

I'm not interested in multiplayer, so do I have to check "Use Guest acct" every time I fire up AoWIII or is there a way to make Guest the default???  Thx...
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Mr. Bigglesworth on June 26, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
It defaults to guest for me.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: steve58 on June 26, 2014, 04:23:04 PM
Thx, after firing it up a few times I can see now that Guest is checked.  The check mark is so faint its kinda hard to see.  Still, it'd be nice to skip that screen altogether if I want Guest to be the default....
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: steve58 on June 26, 2014, 05:18:54 PM
...and just came across an AoW3 guide in the Steam forums.  Can't vouch for anything in it since I've just gotten the game and not yet read the document, but it looks strangely like a Users Guide Strategy Guide and Walkthrough :))

http://guides.gamepressure.com/ageofwonders3/guide.asp?ID=24816

...just wish it was a PDF.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: solops on June 27, 2014, 09:43:02 PM
I have put together a document that combines all the data from the TOME OF WONDERS by JustinMullin (from the in-game resource) and about 95% of the Age Of Wonders III Wiki in a Word and RTF file. I have one other source I want to check and then I'm done. The information is re-organized into sort of an manual rather than an encyclopedia. It includes spell data, unit stats, etc. The Word file runs about 1.6 megs at the moment. There is nothing new here, but it is all in one place in a file you can carry around or print. I would attach it here but is the file too big???
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - a manual...sorta
Post by: solops on June 28, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Here is the compilation. You have to log in to see it.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - a manual...sorta
Post by: Nefaro on June 28, 2014, 06:35:11 PM
Quote from: solops on June 28, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Here is the compilation.

Wow.  Thanks!

Can put it on the Kindle for waiting room reading now.  O0
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - a manual...sorta
Post by: bbmike on June 28, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: solops on June 28, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Here is the compilation.

+1, thanks solops!!!
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: solops on June 28, 2014, 06:46:37 PM
Yep, it is on my Kindle and I am headed for the pool, ale in hand.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - a manual...sorta
Post by: Greybriar on June 29, 2014, 01:24:49 AM
Quote from: solops on June 28, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
Here is the compilation. You have to log in to see it.

206 pages?! Wow! Thanks!  O0
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: Martok on June 29, 2014, 10:18:01 AM
That's some impressive work, solopsMange takk.  8) 
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: solops on June 29, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
Editing out all of the webpage parameters was tedious.
Title: Re: Age of Wonders III - no manual
Post by: steve58 on June 30, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
Thanks solops!