I wanted to see it before and this article makes me want to see it even more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/movies/fury-starring-brad-pitt-a-raw-look-at-warfare.html?_r=1
Hadn't heard of this one before, but now I want to see it as well. Thanks for the heads-up Star.
Ummm... Guys.....
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=10483.0
Oops
Quote from: Barthheart on July 31, 2014, 05:51:47 AM
Ummm... Guys.....
http://grogheads.com/forums/index.php?topic=10483.0
but that was for the trailer and this is for an article.
so pffft!
I keep seeing the title and hoping it's actually for a new Nick Fury movie with Samuel L. Jackson.
this addiction of yours with the bbc has got to stop.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on July 31, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
this addiction of yours with the bbc has got to stop.
If BBC= Big Boobs Channel, you are right.
Did somebody say Boobs? I thought it was an updated version of my favorite kids show about a horse named Fury. Why not? They've re-done everything else. Did I ask if somebody said Boobs?
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My local theatre has the movie showing tonight at 7pm. I wasn't expecting it out before tomorrow. Will post my uppity opinion later to rub in the fact I got to see it first. ;D
I hope that it isn't Das Boot in a tank.
Quote from: Centurion40 on October 16, 2014, 11:44:37 AM
I hope that it isn't Das Boot in a tank.
I think you're safe. Fury doesn't look like it has any interesting characters or plot development whatsoever. :coolsmiley:
OK, here's my impressions. The movie tries real hard to be equal parts Sole Survivor and Saving Pvt. Ryan complete with the mandatory heroic last stand at the end. It also goes way out of it's way to be as dark and ugly as possible while not spoiling all the violence with any kind of a message or moral to the story. For the life of me I don't know after 2 hours and 15 min., what the hell this movie was about except for Americans and Germans killing each other. I mean not a single, "The more Germans we kill, the sooner this war will be over" or some other reason to kill all those Nazi bastards other than they're Nazi's and bastards. On the positive side, there's some great action scenes and comic book-like fights and the tank battle with the Tiger is worth the price of admission by itself. And the tanks look gorgeous. The acting's good and the scenery very believable. I wanted to love this movie but can't in all conscience give it more than a 6 out of 10. If only it was ABOUT something. Just me. ;)
ummm.....
its about a tank crew having a shitty day. why do things have to have a deeper meaning?
How's the historical aspect? It's supposed to take place in April, '45 right? It is supposed to be after the Yanks were told to stop at the Elbe? Hope it's not another U-571 take on things.
The historical aspect was disappointing too. The tanks line-up nice and close together for great screen shots, they fire on the move and almost always hit the target first shot, Pitt's tank gets hit at least 3 times by AT guns and they all richocet and at one point he orders his crew to dismount and fight the Germans on foot alongside other infantrymen. Pitt fights most of the movie with his head out of the tank just like the other American tankers do so you can get close shots of their war-faces. I didn't dis-like the film, it's a good war movie. Just don't take it too seriously. And Star, all the great movies have been about something. There's no tale here. Not even a reason why these guys hate the Germans, and each other, so much. Beyond having a shitty day.
I saw this movie today.....no idea whether historical, believable, or tells a story...but all in all was a good WWII movie that kept me interested throughout and made the 2+ hrs fly by. Like most movies like this, was kind of predictable and you knew generally how the ending would go. I won't provide any spoilers and such, but certainly was worth my time and money. Now I just need a good WWII tank sim game so I can relive it myself:)
Play world of tanks.
they're already tying into that movie
I think you can buy the movie Sherman as a premium tank.
FWIW, tank commanders riding into battle with their heads out of the turret might seem a stupid thing to do but it wasn't that uncommon in tanks with very poor buttoned-up visibility. During the time of the Six Day War Israeli tankers pretty much made it unofficial but standard MO until someone got around to counting up all the tank commanders with head wounds after the fighting died down. During WW2 the Germans developed a special commander's cupola that had vision blocks placed around it's circumference to give their buttoned up crews a little more SA. IIRC, the British also retrofitted some of their lend-lease Sherms with a similar setup.
That is one thing I appreciated in this movie was seeing things from inside the tank. No idea how they ever saw their targets with all the potential blind spots. Couldn't imagine being inside one of them in hostile territory.
from what Mirth tells me its like going down on a really fat girl.
Except with fat girls you're not in there with 4 other guys. Usually.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 17, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
ummm.....
its about a tank crew having a shitty day. why do things have to have a deeper meaning?
Agreed.
I think the ridiculously unusual stories in some war movies *cough*
Saving Private Ryan *cough* detract from the soldiers' perspectives.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 18, 2014, 02:52:54 PM
Play world of tanks.
I would recommend
War Thunder instead, as it's a bit less Arcade-ish (No "Hit Points" and other nonsense).
By April 1945 did anyone really need an additional reason to hate the Nazis? Including the Germans themselves?
I wanted to know more about these guys. They spent the whole war together, they must have some great stories to tell. But we don't even get find out where these guys are from-- other than Koonass-- I'm thinking Louisianna You know what the LEAST funny April Fool's Day joke was in 1945? "The Russian Army's here. Made you look!" :2funny:
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 20, 2014, 10:23:18 AM
I wanted to know more about these guys. They spent the whole war together, they must have some great stories to tell. But we don't even get find out where these guys are from-- other than Koonass-- I'm thinking Louisianna You know what the LEAST funny April Fool's Day joke was in 1945? "The Russian Army's here. Made you look!" :2funny:
Yeah, that expanded story would have been a good "Band of Brothers" type tale.
Im sure there will be a directors edition.
aaaaaannnd...
here's a self-absorbed dork babbling on about the movie
https://www.facebook.com/groups/221051524573205/permalink/877386012273083/
QuoteRegarding the film "Fury," which Wargamers presumably will be seeing:
I shared my concern about the film "Fury" undermining the Honor of the U.S. Army and the Laws of War with 3 key, high ranking Army officers and within just a couple hours ... on Sunday! ... 2 of them responded. At the least, the Army does not endorse films, but I hope it will denounce this one.
Commissioned, honorable officers stop/prevent the murder of prisoners and rape. Islamic State warriors perpetrate crimes like these, not American *soldiers*, and I have been fighting this soldier vs. "warrior" issue for years, now.
I will view the film ... someday ... for its tank combat sequences and to verify what I have heard and written about it. Other Army veterans are starting to speak out as well, and that is good to see.
The real kicker? Dude doesn't even live in the US. He left the US for Norway years ago.
oy...
I hope you're right about the Director's cut Star because I couldn't help but notice not all of the scenes in the very good trailer were in the movie. Might be some damn good parts were left out. I could've looked at the Tiger tank all night. Or your avatar. Or your avatar riding the Tiger tank. I'm getting hot just thinking about it.
Well - I saw the movie.
The good
- Great action scenes
- Superb looking battlefields - very authentic looking
- Fantastic looking tanks
- Great characters
The bad
- What? I mean - who were they? As Slash said - they fought the war together and I just got incredible animosity and dislike and disrespect from them to each other
- The SS seemed tactically inept
Again - like Sir Slash - not a bad movie - not at all. Well worth a visit to the cinema and a Blu-Ray purchase. But I didn't get their relationship. They'd been cooked up in that tank "fightin Germans in North Africa, fightin Germans in France and now fightin Germans in Germany"...and I really got the impression there wasn't a lot of love lost between them...only when the chips were down did I get the feeling of camaraderie - and even then it was kind of minor.
Don't regret it - just didn't get "it"...whatever "it" was.
And for the record I don't go to movies looking for some deep meaning or other morality issue being forced on me. I don't expect it, don't look for it and, very often, don't even see it if it's there. I'm kind of a "skin deep" guy when watching movies.
I know I sound like I didn't like it but I did. It was just missing something I put that on the characters.
Im not trying to make excuses for the director but by that time in the war the SS werent anywhere near what they were pre 1943.
Yeah, but blind, pacifist, Boy Scouts could've done better. These guys couldn't sing or fight. ;D Except for the sniper. They should've sent him in first. Of course who wouldn't just lay down and die fighting Brad. :uglystupid2:
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 21, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
Yeah, but blind, pacifist, Boy Scouts could've done better. These guys couldn't sing or fight. ;D Except for the sniper. They should've sent him in first. Of course who wouldn't just lay down and die fighting Brad. :uglystupid2:
The Hitler Youth did do better, if you recall the scene where the column of tanks were rolling along the edge of the forest.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on October 21, 2014, 06:08:26 PM
Im not trying to make excuses for the director but by that time in the war the SS werent anywhere near what they were pre 1943.
It was really more to do with the fact that they couldn't seem to work out that all the guns on the tank faced forward and therefore there was a BIG juicy Sherman arse waiting to have a panzerfaust shoved up it.
Agreed Judge. And another thing in the minor, picky-rant category, the guys in the tank lose a tread to a mine and then have no problem hoping-out and wandering all around on foot. It's like they KNEW there weren't any more mines around. :o Centurion, I thought the Hitler Youth scene was one of best in the movie.
Yep.
It seems really down that we're talking it down. Daft really as it was a good movie but definitely the characters (not individually which I thought were played superb) but as a group - I just didn't get how they didn't knit together better. They seemed like they resented each other but especially the Sarge. It just didn't really make sense for a group that had been together for so long.
It was that aspect that left me kind of in purgatory - not really knowing what to think except "That was a great movie - but wtf?"
But definitely worth a watch...and as I said, individually the characters were, I thought, superb for the most part.
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 22, 2014, 10:14:05 AM
Agreed Judge. And another thing in the minor, picky-rant category, the guys in the tank lose a tread to a mine and then have no problem hoping-out and wandering all around on foot.
Oh yeah! That struck me too! An AT mine might not get set-off by an individual soldier walking on it, but jumping on it (from down-off a tank) might be a different story.
Quote from: Centurion40 on October 22, 2014, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: Sir Slash on October 22, 2014, 10:14:05 AM
Agreed Judge. And another thing in the minor, picky-rant category, the guys in the tank lose a tread to a mine and then have no problem hoping-out and wandering all around on foot.
Oh yeah! That struck me too! An AT mine might not get set-off by an individual soldier walking on it, but jumping on it (from down-off a tank) might be a different story.
Plus you normally mix in AP mines for just such an occurrence.
Quote from: Centurion40 on October 22, 2014, 12:47:20 PMAn AT mine might not get set-off by an individual soldier walking on it, but jumping on it (from down-off a tank) might be a different story.
Quote from: Barthheart on October 22, 2014, 12:49:49 PMPlus you normally mix in AP mines for just such an occurrence.
You mix in AP mines with AT mines to make life suck for anyone that tries to clear the AT ones.
The problem is everyone wanted a Steel Panthers movie. Grogs are so picky, even after throwing in Tyler durdab
Come on, the entire final battle scene was pretty ridiculous. I get that the target audience isn't really the grog crowd but even for the general populace, the actions of the Germans are absurd.
*********SPOILERS*************
We're treated to a scene showing the SS battalion marching in column and dozens of panzerfausts are in evidence. Why on earth aren't those being used by AT teams from several directions after dark?
Why didn't the SS just bypass the tank entirely? It's not like it was part of their mission and it definitely wasn't going anywhere. Leave a small detachment behind to deal with the crew once they get out of the tank to work on the tracks.
********* END SPOILERS*************
Totally agree
But it was still a visceral experience.
It was definitely Hollywood in a tank...but it was well shot, well filmed and directed.
I will try to check out Fury tonite after a few beers with a fellow World of Tanks buddy. I'm going in for entertainment, not the holy grail :)
I saw this with free movie passes.
Visuals: 8.0/10, very good, I enjoyed the Shermans vs Tiger battle (hand cranking that turret must have been a pain). The firefight at the end was a nice spectacle, I'll leave it at that.
Plot: 6.5/10: It's not Oscar material, but I don't think they were trying for that. Not bad for a buddy movie. The dinner scene was uncomfortable and I guess that was the purpose.
Overall rating: 7/10. I love tanks, and there's not too many movies about them these days, pretty simple. I still kind of felt this was in the same league as Windtalkers a bit for some reason.
Saw it over the weekend.
Pretty disappointed. The combat scenes were decent up until the ending scene, which was BS right out of a Rambo movie. In no way at all realistic, any tank fighting infantry at night in WWII is a dead tank. Try looking through a tank gun sight or a vision block at dusk through dawn, you cant see shit.
The non fighting parts of the movie were garbage. The whole scene in the town at the Woman's apartment seemed forced. The killing of the German soldier wearing the US army jacket overly dramatic.
Give it a 5/10
Agree totally. I thought by now there would be more comment from WWII vets or some other such organization.
I finally caught this today and I think the point is mostly missed by the people here. its a condensed story of a virgin soldier losing his innocence in a 48 hour period. ya, the girl part was somewhat forced but we had that same experience in Band of Brothers with the medic. granted there were some continuity errors in the final fight but, Ive read enough to give it a pass as odder shit has actually happened. thats where medals are given. if someone watched a modern rendition of Audie Murphy's brass balls in action without knowing the actual history you would cry bullshit all day and twice on Sunday.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 09, 2014, 11:34:24 PM
if someone watched a modern rendition of Audie Murphy's brass balls in action without knowing the actual history you would cry bullshit all day and twice on Sunday.
I've never quite thought of it like that, but you're absolutely right. If they remade To Hell and Back today, a lot of people would think it was some Michael Bay over-the-top fantasy.
The truth is often more dramatic and less politically correct than fiction. Today's Murphy would have to been abused as a child, shoot unarmed Germans, and the Nazis' would be caused by Global Warming. Not on a soapbox here, just saying many of the greatest heroes wouldn't be acceptable to a certain sect of society. Today everybody knows Che and nobody knows Audie. Why isn't he on Tee shirts everywhere? Guess I am on a soapbox afterall.
Now I want an Audie Murphy t-shirt.
Quote from: mirth on November 10, 2014, 10:48:38 AM
Now I want an Audie Murphy t-shirt.
Here ya go....
http://www.zazzle.ca/boy_hero_audie_murphy_t_shirt-235310884787295095
Awesome.
I wonder if they have one with him kicking Che in the ass.
Quote from: Sir Slash on November 10, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
I wonder if they have one with him kicking Che in the ass.
moar awesome!
I would prefer him gunning him down with a .50 while standing on the back of the Sherman.
I'd buy that one.
I have a suspicion the final fight was meant to evoke Audie Murphy.
Watched it this afternoon with the Bro, since my birthday parties tend to be overrun with nieces. :D Bank's closed on Vet Day so he was able to meet me for a matinee to celebrate the holiday and my birthday early.
Every criticism I've read upthread I agree with 150%. Also the praises: I didn't care for any of the characters (except the Sarge), but I admit they were acting the hell out of the parts anyway. Everything actually involving tank action == great if not always realistic (final battle). Creepy seeing so many Empire vs. Rebel tracer rounds -- were they really that prevalent? I've seen color film (taken in color, not colorized) of WW2 action and that just doesn't seem true. :o ??? Looked great but seems fake. No other modern post-Star Wars WW2 movie looks like this. Maybe it's supposed to be stylized like the maddened/maddening German chanting in the background when action approaches or heats up.
The dinner scene felt like PAADDDDDINNNGGGGGGGGG the film. Made worse by the uncomfort of course.
Who the hell was Jason Isaacs playing? Captain someone, I saw in the credits, but I don't remember any British characters at all. Was he playing the American captain giving orders in a few scenes?? He deserves an Oscar for that, if so, because I didn't recognize him at all. Or do I have the wrong guy? {checking imdb} Nope, that was Captain Hook / Lord Malfoy (and other British supervillains, heir apparent to Alan Rickman.)
I'm no expert but weren't there lots of different tracer colors? I've heard that some German tracer rounds burned yellow/green and others red depending on the type/caliber of weapon and where it was being used and that the US 30 and 50 ww2 cal tracer rounds burned orange. Maybe someone less lazy than I can wade through a few google chops and wiki pages to get the full details.
Quote from: mirth on November 10, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 09, 2014, 11:34:24 PM
if someone watched a modern rendition of Audie Murphy's brass balls in action without knowing the actual history you would cry bullshit all day and twice on Sunday.
I've never quite thought of it like that, but you're absolutely right. If they remade To Hell and Back today, a lot of people would think it was some Michael Bay over-the-top fantasy.
Hollywood! Are you listening???!! We want a remake!!
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Hear, hear. With the real Marcus Latrell as Murphy. And a digitalized John Wayne as his father. And for Hitler, anybody but Putin... too close to being real. ::)
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 11, 2014, 07:11:41 PM
I'm no expert but weren't there lots of different tracer colors? I've heard that some German tracer rounds burned yellow/green and others red depending on the type/caliber of weapon and where it was being used and that the US 30 and 50 ww2 cal tracer rounds burned orange. Maybe someone less lazy than I can wade through a few google chops and wiki pages to get the full details.
I do think there were some "red" Nazi shells from cannon rounds in the film (though I may be misremembering).
It was the utter prevalence of tracer shots that seemed so weird, though the green/red color division made it seem even weirder.
I would say it's a case of reality being unrealistic (real modern Vulcan cannon fire looks like a death ray, or it used to anyway, thanks to the tracer packs -- though I've seen attacks from Warthogs that didn't look like that), except I don't get anything like that impression from color reality footage. Not WW2, not Korea, not Vietnam...
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 14, 2014, 08:34:18 AM
Quote from: Staggerwing on November 11, 2014, 07:11:41 PM
I'm no expert but weren't there lots of different tracer colors? I've heard that some German tracer rounds burned yellow/green and others red depending on the type/caliber of weapon and where it was being used and that the US 30 and 50 ww2 cal tracer rounds burned orange. Maybe someone less lazy than I can wade through a few google chops and wiki pages to get the full details.
I do think there were some "red" Nazi shells from cannon rounds in the film (though I may be misremembering).
It was the utter prevalence of tracer shots that seemed so weird, though the green/red color division made it seem even weirder.
I would say it's a case of reality being unrealistic (real modern Vulcan cannon fire looks like a death ray, or it used to anyway, thanks to the tracer packs -- though I've seen attacks from Warthogs that didn't look like that), except I don't get anything like that impression from color reality footage. Not WW2, not Korea, not Vietnam...
I don't think the A-10's gun uses as many tracers (if any at all?) as your typical machinegun or especially a mini-gun on a Spectre. Probably to provide more AP rounds to the limited ammo mix, the explosive ones flash when they hit, and the gunsight is computed anyway? ???
Found this online:
German MG-42
US M1919 30 cal:
US M2 50 cal:
Hm. Obviously the first video didn't have any tracers at all (until the end at night); but the others were interesting.
Also interesting: watching the tracers track the ricochets, especially the 30 cal. Just about every single shot spacked off the water at a low trajectory. They ought to show that in gun safety training classes.
Yes! Great videos Stagger. I imagine if the MG 42 was shooting at me, I wouldn't know what color the tracers were cause I'd be curled into a fetal position with my head between my knees and digging a hole in the ground with my ass.
Quote from: JasonPratt on November 17, 2014, 09:28:00 AM
Hm. Obviously the first video didn't have any tracers at all (until the end at night); but the others were interesting.
Also interesting: watching the tracers track the ricochets, especially the 30 cal. Just about every single shot spacked off the water at a low trajectory. They ought to show that in gun safety training classes.
I think the M1919 was loaded with mostly tracers. Better for putting on a show, I suppose. ;)
Really enjoyed it..more so than Private Ryan.
Yes it was over the top at the end but still a decent war film.
Quote from: TacticalWargames on December 02, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
Yes it was over the top at the end but still a decent war film.
My sentiments exactly. My expectations were very low andI was surprised at how much I enjoyed it.
Quote from: GDS_Starfury on November 09, 2014, 11:34:24 PM
I finally caught this today and I think the point is mostly missed by the people here. its a condensed story of a virgin soldier losing his innocence in a 48 hour period. ya, the girl part was somewhat forced but we had that same experience in Band of Brothers with the medic. granted there were some continuity errors in the final fight but, Ive read enough to give it a pass as odder shit has actually happened. thats where medals are given. if someone watched a modern rendition of Audie Murphy's brass balls in action without knowing the actual history you would cry bullshit all day and twice on Sunday.
Not a movie guy - but I watched this flying back to the USA from Europe yesterday.
I agree with Star about this being one of the primary themes of the movie. The other theme is the sheer disgust the US troops have about fighting child troops and a handful of adult fanatics when the war was lost. Brad Pitt counters this in the movie by stating that "would you give up if it was your home?"
Ditto all of the tactics comments - the tactics of the infantry versus the Sherman was just nuts.
I have one more observation. Why did the Tiger close with the Shermans? Seems like it would fire and then reverse to keep the 3 Shermans from getting a tail shot on them. Why charge to super close range? Am I missing something?
Overall, perhaps a 7 out of 10. It captured the angst at the end of the war and how hard it was to integrate a rookie with a veteran outfit. The background scenery, the tanks, the shots of working the inside of a Sherman, the child soldiers ambushing tanks, etc.... were all well done.